Dogs are essentially people's 4 legged slaves: They eat only what's given them They sleep where they are told They are castrated and neutered They mate or don't mate according to the owners whim Their masters make them come or go or sit or jump or cuddle when told. Their friends are determined by their owner. The owners are called their masters Dogs are the new slave!
So that's why we gotta go to Disney world instead of sea world. Cause you can say a lot of shit about Disney, but do you know what they don't do..... KEEP CAPTIVE ORCAS FOR LIFE.
Theres never been a recorded artack because anyone who eho has rver been artacked by these things in wjls has rvee probably live to tell about. I like rogan but i would think he would understand how these things kill everything thats swims. Yet has some majestic and majical connection to humans? Is retardation. Pods if orcas are attacking sailboats off the coast of Spain . And it probably won't be tol long before one of these sailers need to spear one of these things in self defense
@@bobbiechinn9578maybe. Probably not tho. They r the smartest animal in the ocean and one of the smartest animals in general. They haven’t gone thousands of years not attacking boats then just all of a sudden start attacking them in an almost planned attack
Orcas are social, intelligent animals that swim thousands of miles as families. Keeping them in a pool is cruel beyond belief. Provinces in Canada have already banned this practice. People should boycott sign prisons.
All animals communicate. Calling it a language is far fetched if it does not match sound sets. I can interpret my dog reasonably well. She does not sound like a typical dog. Yet other dogs eventually figure out what she wants. If the mice were really smart then stick to unpopulated areas.
It's an easy thing to stop the catching of Orcas and putting them in aquariums. Simply don't go to SeaWorld and tell as many people as you can. Also offer an alternative such as going on tours where boats take you out to their natural habitats. Then these businesses will thrive and be able to offer a better service. It'll take time but we'll get there.
@bigman7025 So let's make it good brother!... Tell your friends or others whenever it comes up, not to go to SeaWorld... It wouldn't hurt SeaWorld to invest in charter vessels and slowly move away from these lovely majestic creatures being held in pools. Take it easy man...😉👍
the people who do such were never customers in the first place, and the one thing businesses should know better than anything is to never cater to those who will never be your customers
To me, this is simply common sense - when you look at the horrible and traumatic things that humans have done to Orcas, simply in capturing them, it’s amazing they haven’t killed every ‘Trainer.’
They did. Tilicum in Sea world alone killed at least two, maybe three people. One Trainer was killed at Loro Parque, Teneriffa from another Orca. You're right, Tilicum was so traumatized through His capture and captivity, that He lost it. Edit: I didnt See the "every", sorry, my mistake
@@fjeldfross9327 • No Problem! Thank you for both your comment and your awareness of this issue. I’m not sure that many people realise that Male Orcas live in their Mother’s Pod/Clan, for their entire life, even after breeding. Moreover, their ‘Societies’ are Matriarchal and it is the older females who teach, strategize, and direct the pod’s ‘Hunting Missions.’ Not only was Tilikum captured as a young male and stolen from his mother, but he was also taken out of the society (Including their grandmother, siblings, etc) that Male Orcas REQUIRE, for their mental and physical health. In addition, some Orcas travel over 1000km in a year and are continually emotionally, mentally, and physically stimulated by their ‘Family Members,’ their ‘Lessons,’ their Hunting Strategies, their Communication, etc. The TRAUMA of capture as a young male, while expecting him to live in a tiny pool, eat a terrible and artificial diet, remain isolated, and Chronically Ill. All Orcas in captivity are injected with huge amounts of gelatinous materials because they are chronically dehydrated and sick, their dorsal fins fall over as their bodies are too sick to hold them up, etc. This life is so incredibly cruel and torturous, it is beyond words!
When you look at the horrible and traumatic things that humans have done to dogs, simply in capturing them and breeding them to be docile and weak, a mere shadow of the free wolfs, its amazing they havent killed every humans
@@iaamara8434 • It depends what you mean by, “Bond.” Yes, the Orcas have learned who gives them food and who spends time with them, however, they often connect the trauma of their capture and captivity with humans. Since their trainers are the humans with whom the Orcas interact, they are the humans upon which the Orcas take out their feelings of being trapped, their rage, frustration, etc. These ‘Trainers’ are neither qualified nor have any Formal/University Education such as Degrees in Zoology, Animal Behaviour, Animal Psychology, Marine Biology, Oceanography, Veterinary Medicine, Etc. Instead, the majority of these ‘Trainers’ have backgrounds and interests in scuba diving, free-diving, acrobatics (E.g. Have worked in shows on Cruise Ships, Circuses, Etc), & enjoy spending time with animals. In the 80s, places like Sea World in Florida had their Trainers swimming with, diving off, riding, etc, in the water with the Orcas. After several deaths, Sea World had to stop this, making sure that the Trainers stayed out of the water, beside the pools.
I raised a Raven last summer. Chose to stay around and is never caged, clipped or tethered. Free to come and go . She does just that. Has a boyfriend already! Research is telling me she will take a mate in another year or so. I can only hope she will bring the fledglings. I downloaded some interactions if interested! Blessing of my lifetime! Edit: caging animals is cruel. Should be outlawed!
@sway2006200887 Plastic, in general, is very far from harmless, including straws getting wedged into sea turtles leading to death in cases. Of all the things humans do plastic is by far the most long term dangerous thing we toss into the environment like ignorant entitled toddlers completely clueless of our actions. As far as zoos go they have their value especially to endangered species and sick/ injured animals. This excludes certain animals like Orca though they respond like a human responds to imprisonment up to and including deranged voilant behavior. It's actually pretty eerie the amount of similarities between humans and oracas with behavioral tendencies. Same goes with dolphins however they respond much better to certain situations like captivity although it is still way less then ideal. However, the other lesser animals in most modern zoos live a pretty solid long life and even form pretty wholesome bonds with the humans that take care of them. I still find them boring AF though so don't really go lol. The only exception being massive aquariums like the one in Georgia since they hit my ocean interest pretty solid and swimming with the sharks was fun.
Zoos, if run properly, aren't bad for most animals. Since some might be endangered so they are keeping them going, and others either were close to dying in the wild and brought in and saved, or those born in captivity couldn't survive in the wild anymore anyway.
@@flim148 how would you know what someone else meant you twat? and its way too easy to hide under the sarcasm umbrella when someone gets called out on their torrential bullshit. the world would be a much better place if people could just take responsibility for the stupid shit they say and do. why you would rush to defend someone's comment without knowing them or their true intentions is truly baffling. borderline superiority complex.
Hey, I'm a Native American and we have one legend of an Orca killing a man in our Tribe. Story says that tribal members were out fishing in a canoe and the Orcas came up to play. One tribal member supposedly mounted one of the Orcas and rode it as it jumped into the air and into depths of the sea, he never resurfaced! Ever since then the Orca has been the animal that represents the Klallam People, its on our Official Flag and Seal. We called them Kloomachin
After initially seeing Orcas at the Vancouver Aquarium, I was horrified at how SMALL the pools are (in comparison to their natural habitat) and I never again initiated nor decades later allowed my kids to view them in this environment, explaining that they are not "entertainment" and to financially support their confinement is unjust. I was unable to talk my friends/acquaintances from viewing the shows at the Aquarium when they were staying at our home and I did accompany them, but I watched the shows from the underwater viewing rooms as one sees the reality of how small (relative to their size and intelligence) and more often than not, my guests kids would join me rather than sit in the stands. I gently explained what I perceived and why I had strived to convince their mom to NOT insist seeing the "shows"....simply that I think it's inhumane and cruelty. I ask the kids how they would feel if they were confined to a box far smaller than the world in which they interact.. One need say NOTHING to an empathic child, as that child will react strongly to wild animals in captivity and ~ despite their tiny size and few years on the planet ~ decide for themselves to NEVER AGAIN support such abuse. I went to a circus ONCE as a preschooler...and never went again (although Circe De Solile is DIFFERENT, as those are humans CHOSING to perform: I find that beautiful). I went to Stanley Park as a child...then only when pressured thereafter...I saw a chimpanzee in an ugly suit roller skating as parents LAUGHED uproariously...noting that many kids were visibly upset. One person alone opting out of a behaviour might not have a significant impact...but if you make others AWARE of the scientific FACTS...they might very well raise the awareness of their peers...and these magnificent intelligent creatures can be seen in their environment. I was in a small fishing boat off Quadra Island near Campbell River on Vancouver Island fishing at a "Tyee Pool" (a deep recess in the ocean floor wherein salmon hide from Orcas) and a pod of killer whales gracefully swam through the area. A huge male, his dorsal fin towering above me GENTLY went under our boat, so close that I could ALMOST touch him with my outstretched hand, leaning out over the water with my feet wedged under the seat to extend my reach. I was scoulded for "endangering" myself but there was not an iota of malice emanating from them. Had they wanted to, they could have attacked or frightened those others who were terrified...but they were not interested in harming we humans. This was an awe-inspiring and Hella positive experience which filled me with gratitude and love for their power and beauty. Quite the opposite of what I felt seeing them in those horrible TINY claustrophobic jail cells.
When I was a kid, about 10, I went to Sea World, and was taken to see Shamu. It got to the bit where the trainer is asking Shamu questions and it was shaking and nodding its head at the answers. Everyone else was laughing, but even at 10 years old it was obvious to me that the whale had no idea what the questions meant. All I was thinking was "What on earth did they have to do to that creature to get it to do that? I don't know what they did but I can't imagine it was pleasant..." 😢
I think it's probably because the wild orcas somewhat know and recognize that us humans are apex just like them. Meanwhile captive orcas, after quite some time they learn that those humans that kept them are powerless against them in the water. Also, maybe because they get depressed and severely stressed because of the situation they were put into and one day, they just snapped and that's why they killed people. This is just my opinion tho, it isn't a fact or whatsoever so I'm maybe wrong and there's actually the real reason why they kill people.
Keeping creatures in captivity makes me livid! All for our entertainment. Of course as a child I thought it was awesome but now that I know better it’s absolutely soul crushing 😞💔
The only time I feel like it's okay to have an orca in captivity is if it's being rehabilitated, or if it has something wrong with it to the point where it would not survive in the wild. The fact that an orca has never killed a human in the wild but they have several times in captivity should say all that you need to know about whether these animals should be in captivity or not.
They’re not as smart as humans but they’re certainly intelligent when compared to most other animals. A giant apex predator of the sea should not be in a small pond.
@@grymnsnot required. That's like saying a species full of stephen Hawking's are not intelligent. Sometimes you are restricted by your body not your mind
It's a puddle! swimming pools are larger, its disgustingly sick......same with any of our world animals Aquatic or otherwise.....I recommend anyone to watch the documentary The Cove.....its shocking how they capture our marine Mammals from the ocean ,this film will change the way you will look at dolphin shows & how barbaric this is. Thanks, Joe .we should keep talking about this subject until its Eradicated. Big fan of your podcast 🙌
No rogan, they are not even close in being as smart They can communicate, so can we They can use and improves on surroundings, so can we We can make: Anti matter, dams, guns, electronics, use gamma and x ray, make accurate calculations as far as know in the universe
Well most of the Things u said are accomplished by a few High intelligent humans ... nothing the whole Population is capable of ... ofc they are most likely not as smart as the average human ... but to say its extremely far is just nothing we can say for Sure and is pretty unlikely
As sad as this is (and it is) .. the video of the chimps seeing the outside world for their first time ever, after being held in captivity for their entire life (decades), is even sadder. The look on that one chimps face just breaks my heart. How humans can be so cruel is beyond comprehension : (
Why i don't like Zoo's and having pets, Generally dogs are ok for sheperding because they are outside most of the time, and living a good life staying active and free for the whole day.
No fire means no metallurgy and thus no advanced tech no matter how smart they are. It's probably a issue for any advanced alien life on water worlds. There could be alien squid on Europa as smart as humans but they are forever stuck under that ice.
We might wanna figure out what Orca's are communicating about because China's Scientist's is also listening for pattern in the Orca's language too begin to understand them and communication.
I went to SeaWorld at 10yrs old and remember asking my dad if they had to live in that tank forever..he reassured me that had a bigger home that I can't see..sadly he was wrong 😕 This and circuses, I'll NEVER be okay with how the animals are treated 🥺
I'm glad all this is coming to light and that a lot of places no longer keep captive orcas. That being said im also glad i got to see an orca show at SeaWorld when i was a kid before they stopped showing it
This is so cruel! I really think that.. one second eating my cow steak almost done.. okay, thanks for waiting, I really think those bastards need jail time for using this animal!
What blew my mind is one pod of orcas teaches another pod of orcas hoe to do things, like eat Great white sharks that started in San Francisco, and then san francisco taught the Baja group how to do it. The Baja group told the New Zealand group how to do it. The lineage may be off, but the gist is right.
If you’re in any doubt about the treatment of these animals watch Black Fish and never support Sea World or anywhere that they keep these animals in captivity
ive seen so many stories of orcas attacking and killing their trainers, when the trainers are really the only people working at those damn aquariums that actually treat them with respect and kindness, because they just go crazy locked inside those enclosures. a lot of orcas also attack other orcas in captivity, i remember reading about how the zoos would put them together in these tiny cages to sleep at night and when they would find them in the morning theyre covered in scratches from attacking each other at night.
In Australia a long time again there was a thing called the law of the tongue by whalers. Orcas would corral the whale so the whalers could kill them. In return they would allow the Orca to eat the tongue. One new Captain refused to do this and another instance one was beached and a couple of me came and killed it for food. The other Orcas were watching this happen. That was the end of the relationship.
I totally agree with you Joe. They live up here on the Puget Sound and they are majestic. They are struggling to survive in the wild and it breaks my heart
Some of the Orcas in captivity are there to recuperate from injuries or random beachings. Usually they would be put back as soon as their injuries are fixed.
Off the 233+ orcas from 1960s to 2024 only maybe 2 orcas ever were taken captive for rehabilitation and release. Everyone else were caught and bred for profit.
Claiming that Orcas don’t kill people in the wild… The Inuit literally have legends about them, describing them like wolves of the sea and absolute terrors to fishermen.
I already understand this will sound insane but i'm gonna say it anyway. In the bible, it is stated that any fish without scales is an "abomination". In this context, an abomination is simply a hybrid lifeform created by another life form. Dolphins and Orcas (big dolphins lol) have intelligence that is...highly puzzling to say the least. Especially how they interact with us. Just a thought. Maybe a crazy one but idk...😅
Out of the five recorded fatalities from orca attacks, three were caused by the same individual: Tiklum, a male whale that up until recently was the poster child for SeaWorld.
One of the perks of being top of the food chain. We get to figure out what we should or shouldn’t be doing with other creatures as we try things out and come to understand them better.
Its like taking a circus performer from the circus and put them in a small room and have them put obects through the shape hole and reward them with a cracker
Not really! The size of the pool is bad because orcas travel hundreds of miles regularly in the wild and obviously can’t in pool. So it is more like torturing something till it reaches its breaking point.
The fact that Sea World is even still in business is insane to me. A whale living in a pool for life is akin to a human spending their life in a phone booth. It's an absolute tragedy.
Yes, Poor Lolita 🐋🌊 I can't imagine how incredibly lonely and sad she must've been all these years before her death. imagine 50 YEAR'S without seeing her family, or another of her own kind. just heart breaking 💔 🌊💙🐋🌊💙😪
What’s horrifying is that Orcas do not have an autonomous response to breathing. Meaning the orcas have to think about breathing or they will asphyxiate. Unfortunately, the business of sea world has had to experience this. The poor orcas commit suicide.
If we had it my way, there would be no zoos, no aqua parks, non of it. Animals deserve to live free in the wild, not kept in small confined spaces for our entertainment. I also disagree with people owning snakes and keeping them in shelves, the thought that they spend their life in a small shelf compared to having the entire open world to live freely I just can’t wrap my head around
I hate Orcas being held in captivity. They do not deserve being forced to put on a show for humans and the pathetic CEO’s of Sea World should be ashamed of themselves.
To capture them in the Ocean which is there home only to keep them captive is tragic! I watched an Orca save a female scientist that tracks them in the Ocean when the Orca seen a Great White Shark heading towards her. The Orca used his head & tucked her under him & swam towards the boat. It was amazing to see if not for that Orca she'd been eaten. Ontario, 🇨🇦
I truly appreciate you Joe, for bringing this serious issue up for discussion! Orcas are Mammals like us, n should never be imprisoned for other Mammals entertainment!😩💔🥀 It's totally sickening! Please boycott Sea world n others like them! I regret that I can't remember her name, but they just released a precious Orca back into her natural habitat 🌊🪸 n after being in captivity for 50 + years, n sadly she didn't survive!😭 Blessings of 🕊️💛✨ everyone🙏🏼 n please do what you can to help save the Orcas n all of Mother Earth's inhabitants!
I don’t like them being held either… years later after thinking about it as an adult. When I was a kid, I was mesmerized by seeing an orca jumping in a pool. I also find it interesting just how many people today say how sock and wrong it is to keep them in captivity with the absolute certainty that it wad the most evil thing to do…. because I also remember when VERY FEW people thought it was wrong , and not that long ago. For how smart we’re supposed to be, we sure don’t understand much about appropriate blame and shame. There’s hardly and social relativity- no reasons for anything, just plow forward with what they “know” at one point (“Sea World’s whales are FUN!!! Yaaaay!!”) and keep plowing forward with the next point (“It’s so WRONG to keep ORCAS!!!”). It’s so political. Just say you don’t like it but you know it took a while for humans to get on board. Not only that.. what’s this idea we “know” just how smart is too smart for captivity? You have a measuring stick of some sort.. or just relying on the “experts” again? Yesterday’s “experts” argued it was okay to keep orcas. Your move, genius. If animals are in trouble, like healthy but orphaned, or hurt/sick but not bad enough for euthanasia but non-releasable, and you have a way to manage their care, AND educate people with them? Then it’s logical for some animals to be under foster care. Orcas would beed something I haven’t seen built yet, and maybe continued assessment for release. Some are critically endangered and need people’s help now, and for humans to see what they are. So yeah, don’t just take animals for a profit, but there is a middle ground we desperately need for preserving some populations and teaching all the corporate minded robots what’s out there, and that we are creating hell in shopping and houses in all directions. Earth wasn’t like that before, it shouldn’t he now.
I feel the same about primates as well. The primate exhibit was always my favorite at the zoo, i could watch them for hours and not get bored, but now it grosses me out. Especially orangutans. They're too good for us. Chimps are orcs tho, screw chimps, but it still feels wrong to have them locked up and treated like any other creature.
In the us at least, after all the orcas and dolphins are gone in the zoos, they aren’t allowed to capture more. And they can’t breed them either. So after 20/30 years orcas in captivity will be a thing of the past in America
I have gotta say, aquatic/killer whale shows aren't a popular entertainment in England and our zoos are massive open areas. Too, not cages. I feel good about our zoos.
Politics aside, keeping cetaceans in captivity is probably the most stupidest and most expensive investments for wildlife business men. It is so expensive building a massive pool to accommodate them. That and feeding, maintaining the pool, care and staffing. Over time, prices and services will inflate and thats where many people decide to go cheap and neglect care and living for these animals. So no, on the long run. Keeping a cetacean in a tank is not good.
