The Trinity and the Qur'an: The Key Apologetic Conflict | James White | 2016 G3 Conference 

Glory be to The Father Glory be to The Son Glory be to The Holy Spirit. Glory belongs to our God forever and ever.

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Great message. Dr. James White a.k.a The White Beard is very intelligent and has the gift of teaching from the Lord. 🙏🏻 Hallelujah 🙏🏻

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Wow! I enjoyed that. Enlightening👌. Glory be to our Triune God🙌🏾.

I’m an orthodox Muslim. I wish all orthodox peoples who believe in the fundamentals of their religion had Dr. Whites objectivity, respect, and manners. He believes in what he believes and does so without any excuses. Yet, he’s still very respectful and genuinely loves us Muslims and is doing what he does because he believes it is best for us. That is a very different approach than most religious nut jobs that just want converts (i.e. David Wood and Sam Shamoun types). There is no love there.

For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. Romans 8:18 NKJV

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Thank you ! This sermon is incredibly helpful.

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Very nice presentation, Dr. White. When we're looking at the Quran in its historical context, we might also want to examine the relationship the writers had with the Roman Empire of the time and how it colored the theological statements found within it. Specifically, we know there is a long, historical practice of deifying the Roman emperors and worship of the Roman emperors. In the historical context of when Jesus appeared, the deificaiton of Julius Caesar and the spread of his cult was quite prominent. At the time of the Quran's composition, the Roman Empire by then was in a deep state of poltiical crisis and turmoil. The plagues of Justinian were decimating large swaths of Italy and the surrounding regions. The middle east was rocked by a series of natural disasters and famine, and alongside the Christian religion which was favored and linked intimately with the empire, emperor worship cults were very much present still and colored the theology of trying to negate that in the Quran - being that the region the Quran arose within went into open revolt against the Roman empire (and Sassanid) and a local constitution (the Quran) was composed that relfects the attempt to differentiate from what was associated with Roman imperial rule at the tine. It might be helpful to keep this in mind when critiquing the Quranic perspective on One God vs 'the three' and the poltiical relationship between deified emperors and the understanding of Jesus that the author had and projected on what the Christians of the time believed (and still believe) about Who Jesus was within the Trinitarian context. How is the Trinity any different than Roman imperial worship of the emperor and how did the author of the Quran perceive that difference - if they did at all? IT would seem that the Quran sees litte difference and is compositely attempting to critique Christians within a Roman imperial cult of emperor worship context, rather than within the context of the Gospels, themselves - which the author clearly had not read. Maybe future presentations can delve into these topics.

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With due respect to James white's faith and his understanding of the Quran, please note that Injeel that was mentioned in Quran was revealed to Jesus in Aramaic language in his mother tongue. Greek Gospels in New Testament are the mixture of 3 things. One, Injeel which is the word of God, two, what Jesus said and three what others saw in Jesus. It's a third-party account of the Gospel writers. If you consider Gospels are the inspiration from God then there were many Gospels written by others in 325AD when the New Testament was canonised by the first Nicaean council and those stories and parables contained in Gospels were transmitted by the eye witnesses not inspiration from God. Even the Gospel writers didn't even know when they wrote that their Gospels will be canonised in a scripture called Holy Bible. The Gospels are about Jesus not by Jesus. Christianity is a religion about Jesus not by Jesus.

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1) In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful: (A) Every chapter of the Qur'an begins with this same blessing and therefore (B) these are probably the most repeated words in the text. 2) This blessing can be given a Christian Trinitarian interpretation, beginning first with the understanding that the One God is entirely simple except for the relations between the Three Divine Persons: A. The Name of Allah is like The Father who is without origin and therefore the source of divinity for the other Two Persons in The Trinity. B. The Most Merciful is like The Son, who in His Incarnation as true God and true Man in the Person of Jesus Christ and acting as the divine instrument of The Father, forgives repentant human sinners in order for them to join in eternal communion with The Trinity. This mission of The Son to human creatures that raises them to such a communion, thereby giving them an adopted likeness to God, reflects the interior relations of The Trinity where The Son eternally receives the likeness of The Father. C. The Most Beneficient is like The Holy Spirit who, after the saving work of The Son has been accomplished in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, is the gift from God to His creatures since the definition of beneficient is that of someone who generously gives to others. In the interior relations of The Trinity, the Holy Spirit IS the eternal love initially given by The Father that is reciprocated by The Son. In the exterior relations of The Trinity, The Holy Spirit is sent from The Father through The Son to bestow the many spiritual gifts necessary to benefit those who, by faith made manifest in agape, have entered into divine communion as members of Christ's mystical Body, the Church, so as to fulfill Christ's commandment to love one another. 3) As a clarification to the above, although God is an eternal "now" and all Three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal, yet there is a moral hierarchy in The Trinity indicated by the order of the Persons' names given in the commission of Jesus Christ to baptize in The Name of [1] The Father and of [2] The Son and of [3] The Holy Spirit. In this respect, the analogy of The Holy Trinity with the Koranic blessing differs in that the latter places the Most Beneficent second and the Most Merciful third, and yet the triune formulation of the Koranic blessing cannot be denied.

I don't know if it was God's deliberate work, or just the natural development of religious zealots pursuing war, but the two prominent regions of the modalist (or Sabellian) view of Christianity (Arianism) were also quickly conquered by Islam, Anatolia and Spain. Trinitarians couldn't unseat Modalism, so Islam did.

Question for a trinitarian… Who was in Jesus when he walked on the earth? The Father or the Holy Spirit?

James white is arrogant when he said author of al quran didnot know the trinity

For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16 How does a Muslim understand this verse? Do they reject it? What does the phrase "only begotten" mean in this context?

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If a fish begets the thing that it begets is a fish. If a dog begets the thing that it begets is a dog. If a cat begets the thing that it begets is a cat. If a horse begets the thing that it begets is a horse. If God begets the the thing that it begets is God. Did I get something wrong here?

So basically James White is just making circular arguments against Islam. He says the author of the Quran is confused because He is changing the stories mentioned in the bible. But that pressuposes that the biblical stories are correct. It's circular reasoning. Yes, the Quranic stories are different from the biblical ones because we believe the biblical ones have many contradictions and different versions, so God sends newer revelation to clear all of it up. You can't automatically discount the the Quranic narrative because it is different from the biblical ones. The reason we discount the biblical narrative is because it is filled with irreconcilable contradictions and has many different versions and textual discrepancies. James says that Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him didn't have access to Christian sources, therefore the Quran cannot be trusted...except that if it is the word of God then it doesn't matter what the Prophet peace be upon him had access to personally, because God is All Knowing. But you already believe it not to be the word of God so you automatically assume it must have drawn from arabian tradition, rather then drawing from Divine Knowledge, hence why you think it needs to be backed by "authentic sources" of your choice. It's all circular, you are presupposing the biblical account is correct because it came earlier, and then drawing conclusions from there. But dates are irrelevant when verifying if a text is divine, because God can choose to reveal the truth whenever He wants, just because one text came before the other doesn't mean it's the uncorrupted word of God. Also you just brushing aside the fig tree argument as, "he probably never met a knowledge christian who could explain that it was all allegory." The Gospel says jesus approached the tree because he was hungry, not to use it as a prop for a parable. And the Psalms say God is infinite in knowledge. Now you can give the same answer you give for jesus not knowing the hour, which is that at the Incarnation the Son veiled some of his knowledge and glory, but that only kicks the ball down to proving where the bible makes a distinction between a person and a being, so you can say that the being of God is all knowing but one of the persons of the Godhead has veiled his knowledge, and you should our concern that the being and person distinction is not only nowhere in the old testament it seems to be blatantly polytheistic. Being refers to existence, person refers to idenity (social or otherwise). If there exist three fundamentally distinct identities (because mixing them together leads to modalism) then logically there must also be three beings. How can you have fundamentally different and unmixable identities belonging to a single existing entity

The Muslim's question was an honest one, and you are making fun of him. Not Cool

Verses of quran cannot be rearrange.

NO we don't... to your opening question.

The writings of the Abrahamsts are poison.

If you worship trinity it mean false god. True god one only

Yes if you reject Al quran you are disbelievers.

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Dont worship triune God. God only one. Jesus is human being a messenger of Allah

Quran from Allah not from prophet muhammad s.a.w. James white spinning the information.

The trinity as a three person God is a lie. As a Christian there are few lies that hurt Christianity more than this one. We are not 3 people and he made us in his image. You have to get very spiritual and get out of the carnal mind to see where it came from. You in fact have to believe something not many believe when it comes to old testament. WE believe in the super natural spiritual of the new testament and Christ acts. But when it comes to the old we just are not as ready to accept it as super natural with super natural occurrences. The raven from the ark betrayed Noah and went out to and fro throughout the land until the earth was dry. When the council of the sons of God and God were present satan came there also. And God asked him where he had been. He said going too and fro throughout the land. When God first opened this to me I was like wait: what did that raven do?! So I asked God what was he up to when he was going to and fro. And almost immediately which he only does to me when it is critical. He brought me to mind what I learned in school about the Egyptians and Horus having a bird head. ANd I remembered there was a trinity to their gods. So. did a little search. All over teh world there are bird head gods with three person trinities. So much so when I kept searching there are many so called Christian Scholars that believe Christ stole this from other religions because they were thousands of years before Christ and even pre Moses. We have these trinities in cultures all over the americas and asiatic and norse religions. The scripture in fact teaches the father son and holy spirit are one. Isaiah says God is the savior. 1 John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” Isaiah 43:11 “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.” The father or heart/mind of God and his Holy spirit and his soul/son are the same as us and we the same as him in his image. But we being the image created do not have the ability of the creator to separate our parts. But we raise up our soul from birth same as he has his son/soul. WHich he changed his mind / repented at least twice or three times if you count that he repented making man. This shows that he is growing in his soul experiences as he relates to his creation the same as us. Jesus didnt know the heart/mind of God until god head heart/mind reveals it to him. Same as our soul doesnt know what to do until our heart mind commands it. Proverbs 23:7 King James Version 7 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee. Matthew 12:34 “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” God spake from his heart to destroy Nineveh. The experience of his soul seeing that they changed their mind the evil they would do to God's chosen he changed his mind. He sent his soul to be veiled in a man/flesh to be tempted so he could become the perfect. Or complete, accomplished, finished product as a propitiation for our sin. HIs spirit bears record to his heart and his soul the same as our spirit bears record to ours. For when we are performing our desires we fulfill our glory. This is in fact iniquity of which there was no escape under the law. We had forgiveness of sin under Leviticus 5. But not for reasoning and planning within ourselves. This is why he began Isaiah 1 his first major prophet speaking to them of their iniquity. Then by verse 18 he is asking them to let him be a part of their reasoning. The fact that we trust and have faith more in language that is ever changing. And how much of his remnants of scriptures that we can find. And how much better we can interpret them than they did when they were closer to the language back then. Is in fact our iniquity today that separates us from God and his voice again. Same as it did when we died in the garden. CUt off from his voice. For it was his soul there also. For no man had seen the heart/mind God head and lived. But it was the Jesus soul savior in the Garden. We know this for through John telling us he was the word and creator. So spoken word. That part that makes the hearts desires audible. Same as we do in our soul. FOr we hear a voice even when we do not speak. This is why he told us in Luke to take heed how ye hear therefore right after the sower parable. Because the heart was the ground and the seed the word of God. These men both hear with carnal minds arguing carnal languages. Not the tongues of angels. Or of Gods revelation. As the revelation is the rock that God built his churdh on. That which Peter had to know that he was the Christ. Because we can't have the true testimony of Chris unless the spirit reveals it to us. Revelation 19:10 KJV And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. More than ever before we should be able to witness how much language changes. We are seeing it at a rapid pace. In 20 years no one in that generation will think of pedophiles as bad. Because they are removing molest, abuse, and any word defining it as an aggression or dominance over a child. God hid himself in the stories. So we could learn meaning of words like charity, iniquity, sin, grace, love, faith, fear etc. But we use carnal definitions of all of these words. Even perfection we do not use as it started from the french word parfit. As complete finished accomplished. So hebrews 5 gets changed becaue we cant see that he wasnt perfected until he was resurrected. We have to get rid of all the carnal and diligently seek him and his hidden mana. How he hid himself in the scriptures. WHich is what he did for the apostles in Luke 24 when he opened their hearts.

The trinity is mentioned first in Genesis 1:1 in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth the Hebrew word used here is Elohim which is plural so God's then it goes on and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the water

As a Calvinist James believe and teaches many biblical errors and misinterpretions (specially concerning the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the character and person of the Father) but as a scholar and debater he is pretty good I must say!

I hope that nobody had to pay to hear so much nonsense. This guy is all about pitching his books, like if that proves his lame claims.

He’s lost all my respect, he’s someone else in front of his personal online audience, a much tight lipped man in front of Muslims and Christian’s in a dialogue venue but yet this tongue and cheek misunderstanding Islamic lecturer in front of his Christian audience. He has lost so many debates but yet he still believes in his nonsense

Trinity isn’t biblical. Matthew 16: 13-17

There is o only ONE God. Trinity is not in the bible anywhere. Research cultures that worship 3 headed gods. God does reveal himself through his Son and his holy spirit, But turning him into a Trinity God is no different than the pagans

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