The TRUE COST Of Fixing An Electric Car Battery | High Mileage Tesla [Episode 5] 

For those curious... with as bad of short term memory as me, ha! 9:54

He's not a 'mechanic'. At best he's an auto electrician... He does repairs, so asking him how many he replaces makes no sense, really, as that's what manufacturers do as it's quicker and more cost-effective compared with the time, space, parts and expertise needed to do repairs/refurbs. Yes, this is a carefully worded, dumbed-down report for the layman and those that don't want to do the research.

@@DavidSmith-rk7tf great service but if insurance companies don't start using them we will still see EVs written off because of a scratched battery casing. If such repairs were within £5k that would keep many cars on the road.

@@LoremIpsum1970 It takes less than 1 minute to look up the name of the garage and see that they don't only do EVs. This person is in fact a mechanic.

@@DavidSmith-rk7tf biggest issue there is training of techs At the moment there is a big tech shortage, not just for EVs, but the car industry as a whole The car industry has been behind for a long time, training standards are poor, where I got trained for the first couple years, the teachers would pretty much do the students assignments/ tests for them, as they got pay/funding for the amount of students that passed, so if they hit/exceed the quota, they get more money = bonus, they eventually got shut down I'm COVID after being found out, but as a result, thousands of people got engineering and vehicle technician degress that didn't have no clue what they were doing, and after working at several garages and getting work from other garages, it really shows how poor the over all knowledge is and quality Also, one of the biggest issues, pay I currently am on minimum wage, I do servicing, repairs, clutches, engine swaps etc, I buy all my own tools, and I'm currently looking for a different career, as all other garages are the same except main dealers which have unrealistic expectations or just outright lie about what to expect, they may say you'll get 35k a year, but 5k of that is bonuses if you hit targets, and the conditions and work load are brutal, I'm 26, my back aches, I have an issue with a old injury from a ruptured abdomen, my shoulders and wrists ache, and I have nothing to show, I'm struggling to get by So why would anyone who sees the harsh working conditions and work load, intense levels of experience and knowledge required, and piss poor pay and paying for your own tools, want to do the job, when even basic jobs will pay you more? The industry needs major changes before anything can truly progress, because as you see in this video, all these EVs are about, but there's fuck all people who can fix them, and no one wants to be trained up to do the job

@@ProXcaliber We're both wrong: they're called "Autocare Technicians" these days, they even get a certificate, though from looking at the services Cedar Electric offer, there's f*ck all that needs an experienced mechanic tbh, I guess you looked at the services? It's why my local garage are planning to wind down and close, they don't touch electrics, can't afford the EV training and equipment, and can't make enough doing EV MoTs...

@@Greatpics222 epic!

The upgraded suspension is because the new LFP battery is a lot heavier than your failed NMC pack. Suspension has to be adapted to the higher weight. And Tesla replaces the old, 44 kWh NMC packs with newer, 60 kWh LFP's because their supplier doesn't build the old small NMC pack anymore - 60 kWh of LFP being cheaper to build than 44 kWh of NMC.

Now THAT’S a win!

how come they replaced your used battery for free? Does the warranty carry over when buying used? That's awesome though! Congrats!

@@kriskale Battery warranty is 8 years

Absolutely agree. Thank you Rory.

He's not a 'mechanic'. At best he's an auto electrician...

@@LoremIpsum1970 there’s always one isn’t there lol, “erm actually🥸👆”

@@LoremIpsum1970 stop talking nonsense. Google Cedar Garage Ltd, they do mechanical repairs, plus ev repairs.

​@@pgtips1199, thank you.

that is being done -in Australia by OzElectric Vehicles for Mitsubishis Outlander PHEVS and the IMIEV...also Nissan Leafs

The problem is that battery packs themselves aren't always guaranteed to fit into different models. This is due to the fact that there isn't really a standardized battery design. I'm sure in the future this might become much more common, but for now I think the best route is to just make better batteries in general.

Thing is an engine swap doesnt cost over 20 K

@@davidlewis4399 if you paid attention to the video, you can see that a battery swap doesn’t either… And yes, if you do a new engine, it might very easily cost you 20k, its just that nobody does, because why would you?

Tesla actually has done this with several models, the Model S and X in particular even got this badge change and the model change in the infotainment system to match. Also when we are 10 years down the road, its likely for the same physical volume of a battery today you'll probably only need 70% or less of the same space for the same amount of power as battery tech gets better and better.

well clearly you dont know cars well if you noticed theres many cars still on the road with 200k plus long as you service it any car will last even 500k even higher then that i sold my picanto 1.1 with 140k i brought it with 60k and still on the road when i sold it 2yrs ago

@@watchanything-c7r I know cars fairly well, which is why I know how much Turbos, DMF/Clutches, EGR Valves, DPF’s, timing chains etc etc cost to fix. Manufacturers don’t build cars to do 200k+ miles anymore, why would they?

@@watchanything-c7r They didn't say that an ICE car can't last that long, they just said that they would trust an EV with 200k miles more than an ICE car with 200k miles.

@@watchanything-c7r That's the exception rather than the rule; most cars are scrapped at 14 y/o with an average of 130-140k miles.

@@watchanything-c7r 140k eh? only another 290k to go then to catch up. less than 30% through the race and you are already calling it a winner?

Yep, this ‘every EV will cost £20k to repair’ stuff is nonsense.

We already have two very nice shops in my city that work on EV's and batteries and I don't live in a big city. As time goes on they will be everywhere.

I know a guy locally that rebuilds batteries. He helped me build a charger for my electric motorcycle. It was $600 to fix my ex's Prius battery. This is not a thing I'm worried about.

Prius has a small battery. Although relatively the price tag for new replacement is huge.

I’ve had ICE vehicles for decades and love them, don’t see why I need to think about EVs if I prefer my ICE vehicles.

@@knight2425 Reminds me of my mother in-law. Why do I need a smartphone when this flip phone works just fine? I don't care whether you buy EV or not, but if everyone followed this logic, technology would never progress.

@@Ryan-ff2db so your saying that modern ICE vehicles are the same as outdated flip phones? Pretty poor comparison and what rubbish technology wouldn’t progress

@@knight2425You will buy an EV in the future. Just 15 years after everybody else. You’ll be quietly surprised about how good it is.

@@hughmarcus1 I don’t doubt they are good but not buying an EV, I love my ICE vehicles and they are more engaging to drive

It relates to all aspects of maintenance provided by dealerships. It's not just about facilities or staff. They don't make money on parts being refurbished but always want to sell new and replace. The more the better even if it's unnecessary... That's why when the warranty expires no one visits them anymore...

​@@exs3574Also component level repair is often difficult to warranty unless you do it constantly.

Not YET. But doesn't take much vision to see that they all will have in future.

@@barneyrubble9309 Simpler than you might think, actually. No, you don’t unleash a novice on a battery swap, and yes, you need a special battery lift and safety equipment to isolate the pack. The actual process for my Volvo has a book time of 1.4 hours, and the manufacturer provides training videos and full diagnostics. So definitely quicker than engine or transmission replacement. Dealers are reluctantly getting up to speed, knowing that they won’t make the money from maintaining an EV that they do from ICE. And I imagine that specialist companies as well as manufacturers will get into the business of refurbishing batteries and electronics so the prices will moderate, but I don’t expect things to ever be bargain basement cheap. And for what it’s worth to the die-hard ICE fans, despite 90%+ of new car sales being EV in Norway, 70% of cars on the road are still ICE. And let’s not forget that this was about changing a battery after how many miles?

@@davidcottrell570 Not a single manufacturer is willing to share those training videos or tools for a reasonable price. And they make it very hard for third parties to repair or replace the battery, as their software is required to program the battery. Clearly the manufacturers care more about profits than the environment.

Thats because its an Audi. People are comparing to a Civic or a Corolla

​@@PsychedMedia try find someone who swaps an engine under 10k.

what car have you got that costs half the list price to swap an engine? 😂😂 short blocks for most common hatchbacks are a few grand and the same again for fitting

@@PsychedMedia and thats the problem when a lot of people make comparisons to electric cars. They compare the reliability of an EV against a Toyota. The cost of maintanence against a Honda. The performance against a Lambo. The fact is that you can't get the best of all worlds anywhere.

​@@adamspencer95a few grand plus a few grand for work is already more than 5k. I doubt you could rebuild even a 4 pot VW Golf engine for 5k

That is insane! I had a 2021 Acura RDX (I believe it uses the same engine as the Civic Type R) and it started having issues around 30k to 40k. I ended up getting rid of the car and bought an EV to replace it just this year, and I can't say I regret my decision.

Those battery packs don't look quite so expensive now.

Not Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, or Chrysler. What manufacturers are you talking about? Tesla has 8 years on the drivetrain only. (EDIT) I’m wrong. I was talking about ICE powertrain warranties. Sorry

That's what makes the battery life naysayers so dumb. They think manufacturers sell EV owners a car with a battery that won't last four years when it's guaranteed for twice that long. If Jeremy Clarkson was telling the truth then all EV owners would get free replacement batteries under warranty for all eternity. That would make the manufacturers as dumb as the naysayers.

@@shwndhHyundai and Kia have entered the chat, with a vengeance

I luv ❤ my Hyundai and Kia BEV!!!

Unlimited miles or 8 years on my 2017 Model S 100D.

A refurb for an EcoBoom engine for a Ford won't cost you £5k! No it wont do 190 miles on a single charge with 72% of battery health remaining. You shouldn't be charging it above 80% and should not let it drop below 20%. So you actually have only 60% of the 190 miles remaining, which is just 114 miles. So it's become a town runabout!

@@grahamdyke6612id still take the Tesla and the performance and the half million miles over any ICE. And remember, almost every EV owner has owned an ICE. And the GAS SAVINGS would more than cover that 5k. I save ~2k per year on my Tesla. I’ve already saved enough to pay for a new battery.

It's used as an airport run taxi. It has SC1 free supercharger for life. It's the toughest life you could imagine for ev. ​@@grahamdyke6612

@@shou635I’d still keep my high performance ICE vehicle over an EV any day

Im calling garbage that this car is original at all, this whole thing stinks to talk people into EVs. Older Teslas had so many issues with motors and batteries failing that its highly unlikely all original

pretty much, with chance of failure being around the same level but an ice engine usually degrades in performance linearly with EVs being more step by step but each step beyond the top one really means a repair is necessary.

Except the battery degrades just even sitting there

@@wsu8568 no they don't. Do your research Mr Diesel Troll. Oh and by the way, diesel sitting in a tank will also go off pretty quickly (look up diesel polishing). And Petrol goes bad too. So what?

@@ouethojlkjn He’s right that there is some component of calendar aging in the battery lifecycle. But for many modern batteries, the calendar aging aspect could be well over a decade before it’s an issue, so far out that we don’t even have good data on it yet.

The example in the video is for a Range Rover, so not the cheapest brand

@@David_Cabrita Yus, but the BMW hybrid price was similar... and that vehicle is in the same ballpark as the Tesla...

The Tesla battery was a refurbished unit, the others were new batteries. Tesla offer a battery exchange where they take and refurbish your old battery. Much like if you bought a reconditioned engine from a specialist verses a new one from the manufacturer.

@@kcebliks Ahh - good point on the refurbished Tesla pack.

Even being refurbished the Tesla price is really good compared to other manufacturers.

EVs have so many fewer parts that dealers are losing money compared to ICE repairs. So they charge so much to make up for losses

@@w1ldwesty you’ve missed the point, they repair your battery pack with replacement parts or modules.

@@GuyFerguson I was refering to the main dealers not the repair outfit in the video. If I had an EV I'd take it to these guys to get fixed, It seems if you go to a main dealer they can't fix the battery on site so they hit you for a new battery, take your old one and repair it offsite and then more than likley re-sell it.

@GuyFerguson. Nope - you have. Re read the comment...

@@w1ldwesty You are correct, at least according to this video. I would agree that taking it to a third party to get it repaired instead of replaced is a more cost-effective option. However, I'm assuming that having a brand-new replacement would also be a nice option if you want the original range of the vehicle back and likely have the original warranty back as well. Personally, if I know I've owned the car for say 10 years, and I want to keep it for longer, I would not mind paying the premium to get back the original range of the car. But that also assumes that battery technology hasn't improved in that time span, which likely also wouldn't be the case.

What’s the status of your battery, original size kw/h and now seven years later?

@@905andersson mine is @470.000km , battery is @95%, rebuilt once.

@@user-zo4wp4lg8i how much $ was the rebuild?

@@905andersson It was 5000€, including a re-insulating a motor.

Lol 5k

Good call just get a new EV and landfill the old one

​@@davidlewis4399landfill? The battery and metals recyclers are practically begging for these to hit EOL, every metal in an EV is fully recyclable and reusable. EVs don't make it to the landfill, its full of desired metals.

I get your point but when I have free supercharging on my old model s, I am keen to keep this saving so for me it will be battery repairs for as long as I can get them unless a similar car is presented with a recent battery swap or repair at the right price that at 6k for a repair is unlikely.

@@davidlewis4399 Which is precisely what happens to every Internal Combustion Car that was ever built. So your point is what exactly?

2018 model 3 long range rwd with 145k here and going strong lol and plan to keep driving it as long as the vehicle and battery continue to hold up. Been a great reliable car for me and my last vehicle was a 2019 Lexus ES300h

My brand new Audi came with 5 years free servicing so maintenance costs are very small. People that do well with cars know when to buy them and when to sell them which means they lose very little with depreciation and if you buy correctly you can sell cars for what you paid or even more which I’ve never seen with an EV.

​@@knight2425, as EVs have scaled I'm not seeing what I used to do. Buy and run an EV for 2 years, put 15k miles on it and sell it for what I paid. I did this with a Renault Zoe. Now due to large fleets used values are down. But it's great if you want a used EV. Bargains galore 😊

@@HairyCheese I bought an RS3, has 5 year warranty and 5 years free servicing, will sell it soon for a new one and get close to if not all my money back and it will be sold with 3 year warranty and free servicing, don’t know of any EVs that could have done that for me.

@@knight2425 EVs are currently a tech product, and as such, once the new ones are out, the old ones drop in value drastically. Another reason is due to how quickly they improve, and not just on the feature set alone.

@@ProXcaliber but that depreciation and the size of it is a huge turn off for EVs

Ev suks battery chemistry a mistery the gauge tells you whatever it want to tell you how can you verify it is true or not? You cant see in the gas tank there is no gas tank

Think I'll keep doing those oil changes every 5K kms.

Not just lower incomes, the vast majority of cars out there are over 10 years old and killed by a £5000 repair.

I think a £5k repair on a 400k mile car = scrap yard in reality. It had an amazing run, but it's the equivalent of a head gasket going on a super high milage ICE car

Ok, but that money you spend on battery repair/replacement is outstandingly less then what you will spend on gas in an internal combustion vehicle. My father and I have done the math and for our last gas car (a 2016 Subaru outback) we would spend 24,000 dollars on gas over the lifetime of the vehicle. However our Tesla model Y would be 5000 dollars on electricity. So that leaves you ahead $19,000 from gas alone not to mention not doing oil changes and other small repairs. The EV package is way better than anyone gives it credit for.

@@user-bn1tc6lt3j Did you use how many kilometers Subaru?

A new cell for my 2020 Kia E Niro is £45. Its unlikely (because of the way the pack is laid out) that I'd need to replace more than 3 of them at once. It's a repair I'd tackle myself. I know I'm unusual in that, but it won't be long before the sort of specialists like existing gearbox and engine rebuild houses pop up everywhere for battery rebuilds. These guys can charge £5k at the moment, but it won't be long before basic repairs are under £500 (on cars like mine which have easy to work on batteries - not the sort of glued together packs on the latest Teslas). BTW my car is at 90k miles with 100% battety state of health.

There's been aftermarket battery sources for hybrids for years now which are quite affordable. Per the ICE, as long as it is well-maintained (e.g. oil changes), it will more than likely outlast an ICE on a petrol-only car. I have two friends with Prius's that lasted over 200,000 miles.

The batteries will last much longer on hybrids because of just how it is used.

Yup! Over 120k miles with mine and still almost good as new. Range dropped a bit but not enough to notice with actual use.

Tesla are sneaky, it's been proven that they have a very large buffer in the battery pack with many over the years being able to unlock extra capacity for a fee. With the over the air updates they can easily tell the software to unlock some of that extra capacity to hide the degradation.

Hi, who is replacing cells on Outlander Phevs? I've got a 2016 that has a supposed battery health 64% last time I checked. Manage to get around 20 miles during warmer days and a little less during winter.

Sadly, any modern car is not really built for maintenace or repairs, not only EVs. My father in law bumped a trailer in front and smashed the headlight lens on his 2016 220d, FOUR AND A HALF GRAND LATER he got the car back! Apparently there are all sorts of other gubbins and sensors and wires and whatnot plus a lick of paint and a buff up.

@@ouethojlkjn You're absolutely right about the high cost of repairs, especially for modern cars with complex electronics and safety systems. It's no secret that traditional automakers make a significant portion of their profits from their parts business, serving the existing fleet.

Who paid that?

That’s Porsche for you.

To be fair, it is a Porsche. But I get where you're coming from and totally agree that more independent shops and more widely available parts for EVs would be amazing. This would likely also help bring insurance costs down and make throwing away an EV after an accident a thing of the past.

Just buy one that doesn't need servicing, like a Tesla model 3. Cabin filters every 2 years, about £40 all in as a suggestion 🤷‍♂️

This is an industry in its infancy. They’ve only been around 10 years

Fix an auto on a 10 year old BMW 7 series and you'll see that's what it costs.

5.2k add 5k and buy used EV. Don't repair it, throw away and buy another one.

​@@GF-mf7ml, so instead of paying 5k to get a working car with controlled battery pack you pay 10k to get a car with unknown history and (mostly) unknown battery condition? Yeah, sounds reasonable... I ALWAYS repair my cars and try to keep them as long as I am just fed up with the platform. If the engine or transmission fail I repair them instead of scrapping the car and getting a new used one. Maybe the new used one will crap out the next day and what do I do then? Buy another one? If I do a full engine overhaul with new water pump, fuel pumps, injectors, plugs, pulleys, chains etc I know it will be basically as good as new for a loooong time. Costs a ton of money for an old car but if it works brilliantly after that then fine by me.

@@andrewm190E I have a 16 year old N/A N53 E92. New injectors were over 2k, also decided that probably some other moving parts will need replacement soon since it was nearing 180k so swapped other stuff as well. Put over 4k into engine maintenance/rebuild. So IMO 5k for a revamped battery is not a other worldly amount if you get back the range and have some kind of warranty also for the repaired pack.

Love how you're comparing an EV with one of the most unreliable luxury ICE cars.

I have seen the Thai's disassembling the BYD batteries and changed them blade by blade

@@PsychedMedia I have see the Atto 3 one and they are glued in also a chinese EV tech telling people not buy BYD due to battery and rust issues

@@joedarkness808 Among many, many other problems

@@PsychedMedia Yeah me too! Thai people are resourceful and can fix most things!

@@joedarkness808 Lots of manufacturers. Chinese or not are now starting to use structural batteries, this is one of the reasons even Telsa's non LFP batteries aren't repaired at site. The same goes for a lot of modern batteries.

Keep in mind that this is after 400k miles, and that this vehicle was used and abused as a taxi during its usage. If used normally, this car likely could easily reach more than 500k miles and see a decade or more of use before even needing to consider that 5k repair.

In Thailand right?

Wow that’s amazing. That said most Tesla’s have a 120,000 mile 8 year warranty which is way better than any ICE car. I do like the MG4.

MG lifetime is 200k miles.

@@davidbeppler3032 That’s so much better than an Audi or Porsche warranty

They know they're on to a winner because the average time that someone owns a car before they replace it has traditionally been six years. The average time before the vehicle is scrapped is twelve years. With motors and batteries being so reliable (and getting moreso all the time) they can be confident that a lifetime warranty is a safe bet. Other concerns will prompt a change of car before the battery does. Just look at the Tesla Model S P85. It was supplied with lifetime free charging and 12 years later people are still running them and getting free charging with no sign that the car is about to die.

They will arrive for sure. There is a thriving industry of independents who like ICE before it, will help hapless customers avoid the stealership model.

One cameraman

@@steved2008 no two. One for each of them

Replace it, bruh.

Have you looked at used battery prices? A few complete packs for plug in hybrids which I looked at were about £1200 or so.

If you mainly do motorway miles why would you get a hybrid over a diesel in the first place?

@@Birmingham_racing of course fuel savings and performance most likely.

if you do mostly motorway miles keep it like this. It will be very hard to get your money back in fuel savings. You still have 50% range so drive it like a normal hybrid . For 5k you can buy 3500l fuel :))

Now see what happens if you hit something on the road and dent the battery pack which has happened a lot and requires replacement. Likewise lets see who wants to buy your used EV at the end because it dealerships dont want them and neither do private sellers. Tesla wont even warranty the battery unless its resold through them.

@@whatcouldgowrong7914 - you think the battery pack is exposed under the car 🤣

​@@whatcouldgowrong7914Hey genius do most people drive those very expensive EV without having insurance? If the battery is damaged most insurance companies will not take any risk and right off the EV and give you a payout! Wow amazing!

@@SDK2006b If the outer casing is dented then the battery is damaged, this has happened numerous times already with Hyundai being the most prominent writing off the vehicle cost wise.

@@gregb1599 You seem to think insurance claims are a free ride when it drives up premiums for everyone and writes off the entire vehicle which is completely contrary to your green garbage movement. Insurance will not repair them and write off the vehicle

er, nope. Because a "cell" is a Cell and a "module" is a module, the only difference is the number installed in the vehicle. And with a PHEV and there relatively small capacities, each module gets worked a LOT harder and experiences a deeper DoD than for a full EV!

@@maxtorque2277 Full BEV batteries are far more difficult to access than on a Hybrid. A Hybrid battery can probably be accessed without taking it out of the car, a BEV battery would have to be removed. As a result, labour charges and testing would be at least double.

Did you not watch the video? A Tesla repair (full BEV) was around the same price as the hybrid battery. A battery pack is made up of individual cells/modules…it’s just how many that determine the overall size.

yea they really never bothered making the diagnostics with enough depth to make up for all the more parts an ICE vehicle has so less sensors at all the spots means you need a lot of knowledge and some trail and error to pick out what's really wrong. EVs are simpler and therefore diagnostics today really already do enough.

The biggest thing is to stop this new wave of structural batteries which make repair a lot harder for small gains otherwise.

Yep, the EU is doing this with phones. They need to do it with cars too. Packs should be swappable using non-specialised tooling.

@@drunkenhobo8020 even if the tools are specialised they should be standardized and easily attainable and not custom parts for their battery packs.

I did. Model 3 performance, 9 months, went back to petrol.

Time, I have a random monthly round trip of up to 1500 km. There is almost no rural charging beyond level 2, and sometimes not even that. Some level 3 charging is only available at 50kW, I have spent hours charging in strip malls or gas stations. Hotels often advertise charging, only to find it’s a single level 1 or two stall, and someone is already camped out there for the night. This is time my work does not recognize, so I don’t have an extra day or two to get my work done, I have to burn my vacation time. Totally not worth it.

a little vibrations won't kill you

@@thunderbug8640 Why did you turn?

@@wj9494 Which country you are living?

I am glad i found this comment, i am buyer of cars around 15 to 20k on HP , i have never had a bill for more than 500 quid on them so if was hit with a 5K bill i wouldn't bother fixing it. i have driven round in older cars, all the german ones failed but i could still use it by fixing it myself , no one is going to be paying out 5K plus for repairs on a car.

You've obviously never owned a more expensive car. Buy a porsche or a higher trim mercedes, and a single headlight or air suspension repair can cost more than 5k if they go bad. Like it or not, you can't compare the repair cost of a Tesla that makes 400hp and has some of the most advanced tech in the car industry, with a toyota yaris from 2002.

@@kyriakos098 this video is about second hand EV's, so no the majority of people who have an interest in this video do not know what it's like to own an expensive car. Is this a pass time of yours, making comments on the internet, bragging about how much money you have?

@@tryaluck I simply stated the fact that the repairs in the video are on expensive cars and comparing it to cheap cars is like comparing apples to oranges. Also, since when do people interested in second hand cars have no money? If someone watches a repair video on a Ferrari they bought used, do they not have money?

@@kyriakos098 😂😂 well I owned a Mercedes E55 AMG 2004 , lots of parts to go wrong and never had an issues. I've had tuned EVOs as well. So yes I have

Yeah but you're also never spending money on maintaining that EV besides brakes/tires, and it made it to 400,000 miles which is much more likely on newer Teslas naturally. In California we also have third party repair shops offering battery replacements for only ~$2,500.

I don't suppose most EV owners will experience a battery failure either. Say you keep that ICE for 20 years from new though, you have spent that and more on oil/filters/cam belts etc.. Say £250 average for a yearly service, that's £5000 alone. Cam belt say 3 times maybe three times who knows £700-1500 each time. Discs and pads maybe 4 sets say £300 minimum each time. Most cars are scrapped long before 20 years though just some food for thought. Mileage on average around 150,000. An EVs battery should last the life of the vehicle as does an engine, any battery issues will be sorted by the warranty in most cases. Tesla is 8 years 120,000 for example.

@usefulrandom1855 as long as the EV's motors don't go out as well as the battery you're all set. Any engine rebuild is going to run at $1500 minimum on top of transmission work as well.

These are worst case scenarios they're talking about. Like the times you get your ICE car with head gasket issues or engine faults. Shouldn't happen but in the cases it does, this is how the current landscape is.

@@kevinwall795 I've had ice cars for 20 years and never replaced an engine. But many people have had to. And it is costly. Changing an engine in above 5-6k £ almost always. The likelihood of having to replace a battery at cost is also stupidly low since most brands now order an 8 year warranty for the battery. By the time the battery is out of warranty most people would've changed cars.

I’m young, married, with two kids. We bought one.

I am 30 years old, have 2 kids, and we bought our first EV this year. We have already saved over $500 in fuel costs alone, in the short time we've owned it. I also don't have a crazy high paying job, both me and my significant other are teachers.

er, any crash hard enough to damage either an ICE or Battery is not a crash that would be considered repairable..... Modern cars crumple to protect their occupants, they deform in all sorts of complex ways, so hit one hard enough to significantly damage the powertrain, and it's scrap...... (or dam well should be)

​@maxtorque2277 true, and obvious to some of us, and corroborated by the crash tests which never result in battery fires.

Interesting - I bought a 100D from Autotrader last December with similar mileage. I've put 20K miles on it so far and my max range bounces between 306 and 310. What's your range?

@@ElMistroFeroz My one is 75D, difficult to compare range. Usually around 310km mixed driving in good weather(~20 deg.C), mild winter ~240km on full charge.

Would it matter when you are only looking for the highest cost ev to justify why you shouldnt get one.

I've only looked into 2018 to 2022 Kia E Niro repairs because I've recently bought a used one (64kWh, 270 mile range with 88k miles on the clock). The pack looks reasonably easy to work on and a single set of three parallel cells costs about 100 to 150 quid. Hyundai Kona use the same pack. Complete replacement used battery is £6k.

That's barely any of them (Hyundai/Jia) are out of warranty. Plus JLR batteries aren't great

Not everyone can afford the payments to lease a car. This video is more about people who have older EV’s that might need battery repairs. I agree, ideally lease one, but that means several hundred pounds a month payments.

@@ISuperTed It doesn't make sense. If you can't afford to lease a new EV because of money, you're better off sticking with ICE, Honda or Toyota. Keep it running until it dies, which usually takes decades. It will be cheaper and easier to buy and maintain than any EV, lease or not. Trying to justify EVs by saying that the batteries can be fixed but will still cost you much more than maintaining an ICE vehicle just shows how completely in denial people are.

Not always. Not even close to always.

AMG engines would be outliers...

Buying them second hand doesn't mean a 25% battery reduction. If you've been paying attention, this Tesla is down 28% after 430,000 miles. If you're buying a second hand car, you're *never* getting one with 400k+ miles on it. Most second hand cars are bought between 10k and 50k miles on the clock. Any decent EV will have very minimal battery degradation with that kind of mileage.

@@airjaff The battery and drive motor are the most expensive components on an EV. 5,000 pounds for battery repair is fairly cheap versus several other major components on an ICE vehicle that will need repair will be a lot more costly over time. After an EV battery is replaced you practically have a brand new vehicle again unlike an ICE vehicle

I just bought a used Kia E-Niro with 90k miles on the clock and the BMS reports 100% battery state of health - still does 270 to 300 miles on a charge. 3 years and 10k miles left on the manufacture warranty.

​@@Tim_Smallbut you have bought a relatively new used car. What happens when you buy a 10 year old car. Which is what I normally buy 8 to 10 year old. EV cars at that age are time bombs

@@airjaff time bombs in what sense?

Clearly you didn't watch the video. The car is still doing fine. All the cells and modules are working, though with degradation. The car would fail only if the batteries became unbalanced

@@karmanline2005 Clearly, you don't understand the reference....

Yeah it soon becomes an expensive whack a mole game

It depends, really. If you are repairing a pack instead of having it replaced, then you likely won't be receiving much warranty in return, or at least that is what I suspect. However, if you are getting a refurbished pack or a brand new one from say Tesla as the example you used, then you are likely also getting an extended warranty on that pack in case of premature failure. Again, we have to keep in mind that this car specifically was used as a taxi and has almost half a million miles. At what point would it be unreasonable for a car to be covered by the manufacturer, or any warranty for that matter? It would obviously be understandable to expect some sort of coverage if you replace the battery or have it repaired, but if you choose to not go down that route, then I would say it's fair to assume that you should not expect any form of coverage.