Very deceptive title. Everything here is just your hopes, suppositions, expectations, conjectures and whatnot. You're entitled to those things, of course, but to try and pass them off as "The TRUTH" is straight up BS. You don't have any more information than anyone outside of Aptera and you can't predict the future, so please stop.
You seem to have forgotten that those people on the list believe in Aptera, even a $100 deposit adding up to almost 50,000 deposits helped them sell the company to other investors, now those who waited years that invested and put deposits have to step to the back of the line again or just give up because they are priced or timed out, 5000 vehicles in 2025, 20,000 vehicles in 2026, it seems to me that people on the list won’t get a vehicle till 2030 and maybe at a much higher price as they neglect the people that supported them, without these people Aptera would have failed a long time ago. They need to show some appreciation and stick to the list and be men of their word.
Good observations; I think you have a good read of it. I'm an Accelerator and I hope for commercial success that prices come down as production ramps up...but I don't mind paying what may amount to a premium for an earlier delivery. If that's one aspect of a successful ramp-up, it's just another way I can support my other investments in them. Ultimately it's like you said: the law of supply and demand shall prevail.
Plus as an Accelerator we have stock in the company, so if it goes public and the shares go up and stay up our paying more upfront for the product gets offset. And we're maybe the first in our state to be driving the roads with the Aptera!
It will be disrespectful for aptera to price out the people that supported them from nothing to production, 17000 investors some with small pockets and waiting five years for this vehicle should not be tossed to the side like trash.
@@epmoli the first few vehicle will sell at the price they set it, doesn’t matter where on the list you are, looking like $40,000 and price to start going down in two years if it drops
Their pricing was never realistic to begin with and worse when they pivoted to using CPC they immediately caused a spike in price. What too many forget is that both Chris and Steve are wealthy so the price of the vehicle isn't a concern to them or their in crowd. Chris even stated in July 2023 that the cost was increased substantially with the move to CPC. Plus they will need to claw back all those discounts offered to investors and if you don't think the pricing also considers that you are just fooling yourself.
All this Aptera talk really makes me really appreciate what Tesla has accomplished. It really highlights the amazing deal the Tesla's are if you compare everything out there to what they bring to the table. I hope Aptera can some how pull it off, but I am not one of them holding my breath. I do wish them and all the people waiting good luck. I think the cybercab/budget car will upset the apple cart. Aptera needs to move quickly if they want a shot at surviving.
I paid 4 reservation, bought stock. THEY pushed back deliveries by Years, watered down specs and raised price of vapor product. Looks like I'll be using my Aptera money to buy out the lease of my polestar in a year and a half.
@Vocuzvizions BTW, the only reason I leased my EV instead of buying it was to extend the time I could wait for an Aptera. Since my lease will expire before they (if they) get any vehicles on the road I have to either buy/lease another car or buy out my lease. Either option leaves me without the funds to buy another vehicle.
To start, if you take the wheel pants off in NY, you may find yourself getting a fine as there is a minimum wheel pant / shield requirement. From a practical standpoint, having snow and water flung up on the windshield or side of the vehicle is not a good thing at all. Your side camera will be covered in no time. Not certain what Steve was thinking when he suggested removing the wheel pants for snow. This wheel pant / snow & mug question has been around for years with the promise that it will be fine and they are addressing the concern. (Removing the wheel pant is NOT addressing the concern.) As far as pricing is concerned, take the initial price of a FWD LE not an AWD vehicle. (The price is 1/3rd more than the original estimate.) There was over a $2k difference between FWD & AWD. It looks like Aptera wants to follow Tesla and be a vehicle that is not affordable to most of us. If Accelerators what to pay more for the vehicle, good for them but so many of us like the efficiency all the way around and that includes the price. My pre-order LE is showing an estimated cost of $30,700* and that was updated recently. If Aptera is actually saying that the price is estimated to be $30,700 but we really are going to be charging $39k or more, then they will see many of us drop our order. How is there a price efficiency if the cost of the vehicle, costs as much as if you had to pay for service and electricity? The idea of the Aptera had been to make a very cost effective low energy consuming vehicle that the masses could afford. $40K for a vehicle is not an affordable vehicle for the masses. If you are buying a $40K vehicle and this is most likely a second vehicle, your income is likely more than $160K / year. Is that the average income of the masses? Is that even close to the average income in the US? If the Aptera were to change $100K for the LE so you could be one of the first people to have one, would people still purchase it? Well as you said, people purchased a Tesla truck that is not very practical. If the price is going to be closer to $39K / $40K then Aptera should just adjust our estimated cost of the LE to reflect that. Trust is weak with Aptera after misleading us for months that we were going to have AWD. I have been a supporter of Aptera since Round 1 but when asked when has Aptera delivered on what they said they are going to do? I have a difficult time identifying something and that is not good. I understand that things change but if you are going to be open about things, you can't mislead people and you can't set timelines for yourself that you cannot keep. A big question I have been presented is: will Aptera be around in 5 or 10 years? The more off-the-shelf items in the vehicle, the better. If Aptera doesn't make it to 5 years, at least you have a chance of getting parts for it.
I agree with you on the pricing issue. I make a decent salary of about $120K and was interested in the aptera as a 3rd car. I have a small sports car (paid off) and just bought a 24 Model Y LR AWD because I'll have a family soon and needed the space. I kept eyeing Aptera but wasn't even sure they would really deliver in time and pulled the trigger on a Tesla. If I were to get the aptera it would only be as a daily driver car for my commute to work and any errands that didn't require much cabin space. So the lowest range for be would be just fine. But once they start getting into the $40K range, it's just a few grand away from a Tesla Model 3. There's no point in buying this car when we can someone can get MUCH MORE CAR for the same money (Plus all the Tesla bells and whistles). So this car really would only be usable for single folks or couples with no children E.G. younger people in there 20's (I just turned 40) and they simply can't afford a $40k car (At least the general population). This group of people will really benefit from the base model which hopefully stays around $27K. So if that holds they would be fine. But we'll have to see how it goes.
I'm convinced that SF and CA know nothing about driving in snow. If they did they wouldn't have approved Aptera's wiper design. Also, to describe the parking area they drove it on in Switzerland as "snowy" is laughable. That said I'm not especially concerned about the wheel pants.
@@robertkirchner7981 Hey "Robert---" this Maine-ee-ack agress with you. Calif knows zero of driving in snow; or sleet or slush. My FIRST impression of the Aptera was 'this is a Calif. made car' Not made in Wisc. or Texas or?. The wiper issue is one of 'wait and see'. But to be noted, all current cars BURY the wipers in a 'canyon' behind the hood. You need a snowblower and a heat gun to clean out this mistake in auto making. I recall when wipers were 'right there' where you could find them. I even recall cars with the wiper on the TOP of the wind screen.
@@robertkirchner7981 It does appear that the Aptera team has spent too much time in the beautiful weather of San Diego to appreciate our concerns around winter weather. I will have to look into the wiper. It was my understanding that it was a single wiper. While not ideal, this would not be the first vehicle to have a single wiper. I understand that Chris and Steve must be under enormous pressure but Steve's comment about Switzerland & driving in snow, definitely did not win any points, just the opposite. For a presentation that was as important as this was, I find it concerning the lack of professional presentation. Both Chris and Steve should have had their own mics with overhead mics as backup. To not be able to hear them was just painful. When you are looking for $50M in investments, you make sure your presentation is right on. When there was IWM I was hoping that there would be enough heat from the motors to melt the snow that will build up inside the wheel pant. If snow cannot exit the tire, it truly becomes a "snow" tire and there a loss of traction. I am hoping that there is enough space behind the wheel for snow to exit but that will only exit above a certain rotational speed. If you are in a parking lot with snow, it is likely to get caught up inside the wheel pant. We shall see. Hopefully Aptera will take a PI build into the snow this winter and record it.
@@mcamodell In China, a Geely with close to 600 K7m. Of range, sells for 20.000 USD. And that's for the limited version, a less loaded version goes for 16.000 (and it is a very nice car)
I'm perfectly cool with the idea of early Apteras being somewhat more expensive, particularly if it gives the company a little extra stability. Besides, I'd much rather have an Aptera than a Cybertruck.
Small clarification: The top three Accelerators invested only $10,500 additional to get on the board. Their large prior investments (before the Accelerator Program) is what put them in the top three slots. Your point is still valid, as Accelerators four and five invested an additional $1M and $0.5M, respectively, to get their positions on the Leaderboard.
Earlier today I did a stupid smart thing and put in a second preorder. First one was around order number 25k and is launch edition, next one is for AWD and different colors, as that's what I'd really like. Hoping that I can sell the Launch Edition and just not lose too much on it when its time for the AWD order delivery.
I want to do same now, but order a front wheel drive with 600 or 1000 mile range. When delivered, I can boast to friends with ICE that my EV has far greater range than their obsolete polluter.
Good example of the engineering versus marketing battle is Porsche 911R. Basically a 911 GT3 with manual transmission and no sound insulation. Marketing didn't think it would sell and priced it close to GT3. It sold out before build even started and they were auctioned off at double price shortly after. And Porsche did not get that money. We recognize the direction Aptera is moving in the EV sector. We know Aptera is the only company anywhere close to production with an innovative vehicle design properly engineered for an electric drive system.
I wonder how many will choose not to go ahead with purchase once they actually have to make that decision. I mean coming up with $100 for a dream is one thing. Committing to 30-40K for a spaceship is another. If I can't get mine before I retire, I'll likely cancel since I won't have the need for a cummuter.
They should sell the first production vehicles at a premium. I just want them to make a profit and stay afloat so we can actually see a real revolutionary and highly efficient car on the market. I don't think we will see the first cars produced and delivered to people until the end of 2025 at the earliest though.
The actual Apteras price is still a 2019 pre covid, pre inflation, pre expensive body ESTIMATE. The real start price will be over 40k. And Aptera will still lose money with it.
My initial $200 I put in during the Wefunder rounds is now worth over $8,000 at the current internal stock price. If someone during the Wefunder rounds had invested $1,000, they would have enough invested in Aptera to buy their car or come very close.
Hey fellow Aptera fanboys, while we could take delivery of our LE vehicle, a year later this could be another Arcimoto or Fisker Ocean with no hope for enhancements or factory service. My risk tolerance is price of LE plus 1000 shares. I’m also considering to order a 600 or 1000 mile model now as a replacement, since they are years away from production.
I'm an old guy that is holding out for the Aptera to be my final vehicle. So far my 2011 Nissan Leaf (still on the original battery) and my Harley is doing just fine as I wait. Sure it is a gamble for investors like me, but when you are retired and you have the money it's a better gamble than wasting it on lottery tickets.
Being a Canadian (a reservation holder and an investor in Aptera), one of my main concern is Winter driving conditions. This is the reason why I am going to wait for All Wheel Drive version of Aptera. For some reason, I believe in wintery conditions, there is a chance for Aptera to 'FISH TAIL'. Especially, since it has ONLY 3 Wheels. This is why I thought an AWD will provide better traction. Of course we are mandated by law to use Snow Tires during winter.
Cars don’t appreciate in value don’t tell people to take delivery and then resell it for a profit. That is beyond idiotic. Especially, if everyone tries to resell it😮
Early adopters frequently are willing to pay a premium for being the first. Aptera has done so with equity sales for approximately $35 million for the accelerator program. No question that people are willing to take the risk, because they believe it's a better thing.
I reserved knowing prices would rise, doesn't mean it's any less misleading. I'm just used to startup ev bs. Decided recently to get an ioniq 5 instead since it seems my "early 2021" reservation slot is still good take 2+ years to deliver
So the excuse train has already started. I find it ludicrous to believe that people will flock to this vehicle once they have seen it. It has been on national news and more than one large city news station. It has landed on both CNN and MSNBC. It has had paid placement on four large youtube channels who all had millions of subscribers. Yet in all that time the reservation rate dived. January 2023 they claimed 40,000 reservations but only have added eight thousand in twenty months. That is really bad news. As far as pricing. Remember they did not factor in labor at that their facility and most importantly they have not factored in warranty costs as they for some reason are refusing to state the actual warranty terms. The idea that they have to wait for vendors to provide pass through information is silly beyond belief. That is not have automobile manufacturers work, it is how kit car companies work. Finally, to reassert the statement. People WILL NOT flock to Aptera once they are on the road. If they were 20k then yes many might consider one. The number on attribute buyers look for is safety and there is no way this vehicle will survive a 40mph crash from front or side as performed by NHTSA or IIHS. The second problem is a little over twenty percent of households own more than two vehicles and those with two tend to have them pull double duty. So no, this will forever remain a niche vehicle and those of us who buy one will always stand out. I fully expect the LE to hit 49k at release. If it had hub motors I would have still bought it but with a five year old front engine open differential setup I would not offer more than 25k for the 40kWh version. Anyone waiting on that 25k 25kWh version is never going to see it as the battery is no longer the driving cost of the vehicle.
The price should be reasonably priced especially to folks that that are reasonable to have hung in there thru all changes with less components can't justify price hikes . I just hope there cooling can handle the desert.
One problem is that Aptera REFUSES to tell us our actual position in the queue! I have an "order number" of 12,172 which is wrong for two reasons: first their order numbering intermingles vehicle orders with non-vehicle (shirts, hats, stickers, etc) orders, and second, because they reset the order number system in August of 2021 so I don't know what is my actual VEHICLE order queue number. Next, I changed to an LE from my original order, but with the Accelerators bumping me down the line (and the Paradigm orders that already were ahead of me), that resulted in at least a few changes to my position in the queue. All vehicle orders should be on a separate database/spreadsheet from non-vehicle orders and probably is since they said that they will release the Accelerator delivery queue positions by the end of August 2024, so it would not be hard to gives us a more REALISTIC queue position, even though some ahead of us may decline when their number comes up. At least I'd know if I have a possibility of getting my Aptera before I die.
@@artsmith103 We're talking about two different things then. My bad; I should have read the romad comment. I am saying the PI.2 is promised to be driving around by mid-August, and Steve F. is the one who said it. That's something to watch for. Hey - making a list inside of 4 weeks should be a snap. What is there to get excited about? They can stuff up that queue (a que is what pool players hit the ball with) over years to come.
@aussieideasman8498 That sounds correct. Aptera customers have concerns about who has been promised what for delivery order after the competing incentive programs. So apparently Aptera promised to publish the current queue by end of August. Just something to watch for.
They say productiond does 40 per day... in 156 days, the are break event. That means going into the Green in 6 MOnths... 6000 cars. 12k a year. Its not a long wait.
Well thought out Drew. Pricing may also depend on how big the production startup might be, based on how much financing comes in early on. Should Aptera see big investors and be able to start two locations at the same time, that would mean the ability to place much larger orders with suppliers and drive costs down more quickly. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, that's for sure!
I have suggested that Aptera do a demo series of a drivable PI up the east coast. You would be surprised how many people live in apartments who could use Aptera. BTW, I am an accelerator. I am getting the LE with 600 mile battery.
@@johnmalcom9159 I have been told as an accelerator gets the first of cars of with the option you have selected and will be delivered as a acclerator car with number, etc.
I don’t understand why people always wants to be the first to buy new production vehicules. I remember the early Tesla models were catastrophic with such high price. Actually no one wants early production models in second hand market. Actually no one wants first production models in used cars market because they become so quickly dated…
I think you are being too generous. Aptera got this far with the help of early investors, some of whom were shoved out of the way by the accelerator people. If the price continues to escalate either based on demand or inflation as more time passes for the people who were early investors, that does not seem fair. They need to respect the early investors by selling to them at a lower price than they sell to those attracted to the car at the last minute. If I was an early investor and ordered a 600-mile version that takes longer to receive, was my early commitment to Aptera worth less than the accelerators who came afterward? They should use graduated pricing based on how early and how much you invested to help them get off the ground.
So here's how this is going to go down. Aptera IPOs at let's say $40 a share. You buy in, 3 months later It's at $6. You buy more and double down because fundamentals and to the Moon diamond hands, whatever. 2026 rolls around and they finally release 30 vehicles at almost double the original price. Mkbhd gets a hold of one, he doesn't like it. One month later bankruptcy. You are now seeing a doctor. Probably a psychiatrist if you can afford it at that time because you lost everything in Aptera. We do have a recent track history with electric vehicle startups that isn't too positive with the exception of rivian and lucid. And only because lucid has Saudi sugar daddies
@@barnabasseadog7660 TBD, I was an early deposit and was excited for the company. But at this point they are starting to make compromises and the price is going up. By the time this vehicle makes it to market in whatever form that may be. It may spec less favorably to the 400 mile plus range vehicles on the market at that time and come in at a higher price while offering half the utility of a five-passenger vehicle. When this vehicle was announced, we were all excited at the potential of a $20,000 to $25,000 commuter. I'm not actively rooting against aptera, just observing the red flags.
I see where you're coming from, but Aptera has been FAR more disciplined in their development spending than any of the above examples. They all spent tens or hundreds of times as much to get to this point. Production will be where they stand or fall, but at least the vehicle was designed to be as easy to manufacture as possible, and although as currently structured, production will be logistically complex, those logistics will quickly simplify. It probably won't be Production Hell. More like Production Heck.
I think your initial pricing guess is in the ball park, but may be a little low. The Incentives offered to Accelators need to be paid for so thoes costs may be added on, "mark it up so they can mark it down".
Yep. Supply and demand. As a comic art collector, Iv'e seen some artists raise their prices for original art after some people buy it at the affordable price they set just to see it turned around on Ebay for 10 times as much. After seeing so much of that happen, they raise their prices and then you have people complaining that they can't afford to get art now, but the artist is just meeting the price it demands. I thought the investor webinar was intersting but holy cow I didn't know the minimum investment was $50K. I hope that doesn't mean that they get to cut in line in front of Accellarators....
@@TailosiveEV correct the fact that the price hasn’t been edited indicates to me a willingness on the part of Aptera to stay somewhat affordable. I’m sure it will be more than stated but probably not 10000 more. I can hope ;
Why is it that china startups can make a product in record time and it takes usa decades to do the same and most of them actually fail? What infrastructure do we need to build to do the same as them?
The track they're on has them trying to push an excessively wide, overpriced, underperforming curiosity. They haven't done the system or vendor development necessary to have any solid foundation for production. Watch the US Capital milestones and how they do against them. Wait for the actual test results. If you want to see how this work is really done, go watch the Can-Am video series on their upcoming EV bikes. Especially look at the Testing video.
I don’t understand how some of the blatant black holes of the Aptera program seem to just be OK with customers. Maybe someone can explain: 1) Delta design was proclaimed complete 12/22. The lengthy BinC tooling cycle, understandably, took all of ‘23. However, throughout all of ‘23, absolutely nothing else began showing up in Carlsbad and there was zero progress made on factory setup. In November of ‘23, there was the promise of “PI’s completed in the first few months of next year”. As expected, a blatant lie as we had seen no other parts. The BinC sat for months. 8 months later, still waiting. Can anyone explain how the founders have credibility here? 2) People are reporting an Aptera site-price of $30.2K and the USCG shows a price of $39.9K. It shows a BOM of $30K less direct labor which, in the real world, would mean an MSRP more in the $70K range. Can anyone explain how this suggests anything remotely viable going forward? I’m all ears here.
Perhaps because people who are not whingey ankle-biting trolls understand the difference between promises and the optimistic projections of a startup working hard to make a unique vehicle? Could that be it, Bob?
@@GullWingInnMoclips One of these days, you really ought to try addressing the topic rather than shooting the messenger. On #1: Explain how that November "optimistic projection" was even remotely possible. If an "optimistic projection" is not remotely possible it's deceit, sorry. Explain to all of us how that projection was possible without any of the rest of the parts. How it was, in any conceivable way, credible. On #2: Explain the rationale of telling customers the price is $30K, and investors it's $39K. Explain how, if there is a BOM showing parts/assemblies @ $29K, it is possible to ever arrive at a viable business building $30K finished product supporting assembly and all other business functions. Go for it.
@@GullWingInnMoclips You can call me anything you like. But you haven't explained these discrepancies. Perhaps you're waiting for Aptera to tell you what to think. CA constantly refers to their whatever as "Amazing". If something's amazing that's usually obvious- one doesn't need instruction. CA Jr. carries on that tradition with "Cool". Has that really been applicable? Fambro emphasizes, like you, they're "working hard". If that were the case the work product, say one vehicle in the last 5 years that demonstrates all of the claims, would speak for itself. Agree? Disagree? Educate us. Maybe I'm a trainable troll.
So minus hubs,3... minus separate inverter, minus wiring from inverter to motor, ef3 aptera cogs, including falling batt prices should be at least 23% lower
I have just one question. How you will feel about all that wonderful stuff This vehicle offer to people and the planet when F 250 T-bone you on intersection?
Pretty astute observation. If Aptera can come even remotely close to the specs promised earlier (efficiency, performance, and price), it should sell at a premium for starters. Comparing it to the new Dodge? Well, yeah... On paper the Aptera is a far more practical vehicle than the new Charger. If they can sell it $38k to $40k at the beginning, they won't be able to keep up with demand. It will sell because people are looking for alternatives. Aptera might have come along at exactly the right time to give them that alternative. PS: Just hoping they add a little secret sauce to the dish to make it more enticing to buy at a premium. Easter Eggs like the ability to go into the car's menu and increase it's top speed to more than the electronically limited 101 mph would be cool.
The Charger is a far more practical car because it has space. The aptera will only work for folks that don't have a family. So from that point of view, they will really onlybe able to sell it to single people or coupes that don't have a family. Which is totally fine at the $27K range as those people will likely be younger and not able to affor a $40k car. But once you get into the $40K range, you start losing potential buyers due to what's available in that range.
If it gets out in time in 2025 and little old middle-class me can afford one, great, I get one. If it comes out in 2027 and costs fifty grand, then it'll be just like all the other EVs out there -- toys for wealthy people. Currently, NOBODY has figured out how to crack the problem of "how can regular folks afford an electric," and everything I'm hearing lately suggests that this is looking to be more of the same.
Just my opinion, but I don't think the radiator will have a big effect on efficiency. It ought to be lighter than the bellypan and just pull air from the high pressure area in front of the windshield and exhaust heat to the tail. Suppose it would include a fan, shroud, exhaust duct, relay, temp sensor, hoses, an overflow reservoir, wiring and mounting hardware too.
Bought chevy silverado ev 450 miles range had model y long range with half the range can't wait for 1000 miles range don't take to long . Time can kill do it now before Tesla makes a real long range . Good luck Aptera I like every thing about you except it's taking to long
NEW RENDERS? I just saw these, and it LOOKS impressive and very conventional. Where are the new images to be found? As usual, Aptera is big on cartoons, but less so on making progress on the real thing. Think me wrong? Then tell me why Aptera will NOT have the PI build 88788877?or whatever, at the Fully Charged Show in Sept in Vancouver. By an email I have, the answers is, by translation; the SEV will not be ready.
Assuming trump ends all ev subsidies that will even the playing field unless a deal has been made to continue subsidies on Tesla vehicles,maga vehicles.
Really like to know how deep in the whole this IP is? I think it looks cool but so did lots of other three wheelers. It just lives in the land of pickup trucks and conservation of momentum is a bitch? Would this work better in Switzerland or Singapore?
I want a Rivian R1T but even their new models are to much. If Aptera increase the price to much I will cancel and buy the Maverick which I will probably buy even if I do not cancel my Aptera order.
Trying for a 2023 release but coming in at 2025 is still pretty good. As a kid I waited 45 minutes to get on rides as Disneyland without complaining. The owners got this car back in 2019, and needed the funding and time to develop it. What have I built in the last 5 years? Engineering takes time and money.
You can buy a real Tesla Model 3 today and get it in a week or so for 29,995 at 1.99%. Its a real car with real testing and certification for being actual safe.
@@costan1000 Yeah, I think bro was looking at the price that includes tax incentives and 'potential savings vs gas'. But I think the point still stands... If the Aptera is the same price as a Model 3, it's going to be an uphill battle to get it to the masses. Sure, it's more efficient and gets 'free miles', but there's a reason why 2-seater cars take up some of the smallest percentage of the market - ESPECIALLY if they are not sportscars.
Do Not Go Public. when you have to chase growth, you can no longer keep your principles. look at Valve, they aren't public, and they are rock steady, easily able to provide their service. Arizona Iced Tea too. yes, you don't accrue startup capital nearly as fast. but private investment always has less impact than public investment. don't let any significant amount of your company be hockeyed around by stock market forces. its not worth it, good companies go to die at the stock market. Tesla is the exception, not the rule.
@@TailosiveEV post a video of the solar panels charging the battery 40 miles worth in a day. Even their web site says “capable of up to 40 miles per day”. Which means “not 40 miles per day”.
Why is, that batteries have increase their energy density 30% or more and dropped in price in the past 2 years, and that is not reflected in the price or range of the Aptera. I will give you that Aptera s battery packs are not as big as other EV's, but the range should have increased from 400 miles to 520 miles and from 1000 miles to 1300 miles.
Clear you don't understand pricing models and ALL that is included some known and some forecasted. I doubt that Aptera knows yet what they will need to set the price at. They need to cover much more than the Bill of Materials (BOC). Uninformed market analysis as well would suggest you do more research and rely less on armchair quarterback opinion
@@TailosiveEV I see nothing in your post that is "Evidence" of how Tesla prices vehicles. If you know, you should list the factors and sub factors that Tesla uses, to include their corporate management reserve percentage, their relative weights, and what approach they use (Deterministic. Stochastic, or Simulation). If a regression model (Most common now) and what type of regression. Include the time frame(s) for the pricing horizons. Do they use SPC to measure variability, and if so what SPC models. At what level of confidence are their calculations held to as a standard. (.95 is the traditional standard) If regression, what are the three r squared values for the results ( r square, r square adjusted, and r square predictive) I am sure you realize pricing models, factors, and their weights are very confidential and competition sensitive. Another reason I don't think you know how Tesla prices their vehicles and are only posting your opinion based on what is in the press. If you can respond to the above technical issues, I will give you credit for knowing how Tesla prices their vehicles. In return I will provide you non competition sensitive information on a recent real new vehicle pricing model so you have some feeling on the complexity of such an enterprise.
If you are an accredited investor, you can invest through US Capital Group. As mentioned above, $50,000 minimum buy-in at this point. Anything less than that will have to wait for the IPO.
I canceled my reservation for the Cybertruck because $80k was more than the $50k I reserved at, plus what they offered me was $100k. I also canceled my Lightning reservation and order because the dealers were marking up and Ford was decontenting. By waiting until this point I could get a much better truck at a lower price. But now I’m talking to my Chevy dealer about my Silverado EV reservation (440 miles). So my thought is that if a manufacturer puts a price on some future product, don’t put a 2019 price on something you won’t deliver until 2024. Put a realistic 2024 price on it and try to hit it for reservation holders who parted with the money for years. I know that money sits in escrow, but it’s making interest for them, not me. Also don’t rush something unfinished to market. I’m looking at Tesla’s 4680 battery, not Aptera with that, but I don’t have any problems canceling deposits if the product is too expensive, or doesn’t deliver on the promise. I made my Aptera deposit in 2020, but for a front drive 600 mile version, so I’m not expecting anything for a couple years. I’ve considered moving to a 400 mile and definitely would if it had LFP that I could charge to 100% regularly. It could be after 4-5 years, I just don’t need another car and I would cancel the reservation until I did need one
They could easily go lifepo4 for the 250 mile varient, swap out same sized LI and it just about works in exactly same form factor. Big issue is estimating range and different chg software.
