The TRUTH about E0S0 Acheron and her Light Cone... Should you pull for her? Honkai Star Rail 

162 SPD.. "not to speedy" Yeah I didn't realize I'm running a snail team.. my fastest unit only have 144 speed

4:00 "not too speedy" my bro has a more speed than any character i own LMAO

While in another universe eletro lady got a free R5 the catch while just fishing 🗿

If i survived the entire year of inazuma artifact farming for Raiden Shogun, i can endure another year of farming for acheron :)

9:23 We're gonna blitz through this "Abyss 12"🤣🤣🤣

I like FireMC's taunt being a debuff, as well as the Market LC. Taunt affects all mobs on field, with a strong EHR on it.. SOMEONE will catch a taunt and thus feed a debuff to Acheron (or Dr. Ratio even on other teams)

I don't care about 0 cycles. I just want her to be good with lower SI of GNSW since I only have S1

Thanks for such detailed guide, definetly going to pull for her and play her E0S0 with S5 GNSW pela silver wolf and gepard with fire LC.

Helped me A LOT with my pull decision, best use of the media server I have seen so far, great job! :D

That flow chart is a really great idea to include in your videos, it helps a lot with understanding if a new character would be a good addition to your account or not

That flowchart must´ve taken you long to create, but this is amazing. If possible, please do keep this flowchart for other future characters aswell. its actually super helpful!

finally been waiting for this

Thanks for the guide! My TLDR: Acheron is dope, and only needs one of a whole set of conditionals to become a solid unit. At the same time, her S1 is a massive buff - ergo, high floor, high ceiling XD.

Thanks for the vid, I don't have any Resolution LC so I'll definitely have to think things over !

I always enjoy your videos when I see them, I don’t keep a schedule to check but there nice when I stumble upon one.

thank you for all the hard work

Thank you! I was thinking rolling for her, but i dont have thouse lightcones and some characters. Will save for future banners.

with swan on the team you can try ulting with acheron on the enemy turn to get the extra dmg

Thank you for the flow chart it really helped

Thank you! This is the video I was looking for.

One of the problems also with this test is that Black Swan is absurdly strong right now thanks to the trotter. It's not really a fair comparison since in other MoCs, Black Swan's damage will be significantly weaker and thus Acheron's damage will be much more impactful. So with the DoT Trotter, Black Swan kind of makes everything look the same as a good 1-cycle potential, but in the future she will not be leveling the playing field as she does right now.

That flow chart is hilarious and I truly need one for every upcoming character lol. I'd love to see one for Aventurine. I'm at a 9/10 recommended for Acheron.

Thank your for the video! and I loved the flowchart!

appreciate your work on the channel

I do not even have a problem with 3-cycle clear, on moc12 I always use 4-5 cycle to clear(cuz the second half use all my good Harmony units xdd) this is absolutely win for Archeron f2p simp

Was gonna roll for Acheron but Jingliu changed my plans. Speedrunning SU with Acheron will be difficult to resist but I'll stay strong

Thx this is the best video about Acheron and pulling her lightcone. I 100 want her, but still thinking about cone, need some testing and waiting for Robin kit to make final choice

This was very helpful, thank you!

who accused my guy like that

cant wait for the calc on official guide video since i dont have s5 fermata but i have s1 welt's LC. Maybe its better to use welt's LC in this situation? maybe, idk

Super informational, especially the part about whether or not she should be pulled for meta reasons. I have far from an optimal setup for her, but I'm willing to slowly pull and build her team from now.

Thanks IWINTOLOSE, you are always helpful and drama free, keep it up and congratulations for the early access btw...

It's 0.00 am here... Good vid anyway, nice

Thank you very much for the informative video. I was definitely gonna pull Acheron, but also feel like I want Aventurine and Robin after him, so the prospect of pulling for her Lightcone was not very ideal for me. But I do have GNSW in S5 so it's good to know I can use that instead. Also, while I do have a Pela and Pearls, she's not really built, and I do not really like/feel like using her. Would a Silverwolf + Blackswan + Sustain be comparable? Especially since Aventurine, who I plan to get is a Sustain that places a debuff from what I understand. Great video, can't wait for an in-depth guide down the road :)

Amazing work as usual... Much appreciated 😊😊

Great Video, that actually helped a lot! :D

i was just looking this up

Didn't pull Sparkle to save for Acheron light cone as I heard it's mandatory (and I still would have to win 50/50 to be able to pull for it anyway) but now... I don't know what to do... :P Also my GNSW S5 is used by Kafka anyway :/.

Love how you analyzed everything to the minimal details at the end there; I do plan to pull for her - and was lucky enough to get s5 of GNSW recently and already have her whole set farmed bc I wanted the new set for Ruan Mei/Ratio 😅 Hopefully I do win my 50/50. Hard thinking about finally building my firetrailblazer for her to put Trend of the Universal Market. And yes; I do have sweaty Pela 😂 she is like a ghost hunting me in every single banner I pull. I probably have her at e20 atp

Love the flow chart, thank you for everything including said chart

I feel these guides and content creators are doing a disservice. There's no point basing anything on 0-cycle. 3-cycle is LITERALLY the game standard. Nearly all the critiques are flex issues. Can Acheron 3-CYCLE? Yes. With ease? Yes. You're welcome

As a broke ass person who wants almost every character, getting the signature LC is a no go

I initially was a bit mad with all the stuff being put out early, but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn’t matter and you put out good guides. Keep it up 👍🏻

the effort put in is truly remarkable

Thank you for this video! I’ve saved up enough for Acheron and her light cone but tbh I’d prefer to get another character instead of a light cone.

She is functional without her S1, its just that her S1 gap to her “f2p”/4 star alternative LC is too big. I dont know why people are doomposting how “useless” she is without her S1. Sure, she might be worse than both Kafka and JY rn in term of lightning dps, but keep in mind JY and Kafka are older units, they get better as time progresses because the release of new unit helps increase their value. Im sure Acheron will be getting her moment in the future too. edit: oh boy the reply section 🍿

Love your work, thank you!

Your guides are superb brooo!!

GNSW S5 may as well be her sig LC for me because I have one copy of it and I've played since launch. I'll get her sig before I'll get 4 more copies of GNSW lol.

I have a feeling they'll give us a free LC thats good for acheron in future. Lets hope! 🤧

Great job as always! Absolutely loved the flow chart. Gonna try pull for her since I have most of the things mentioned there. Side note: Hearing IWTL saying "sweaty balls" so nonchalantly just bumped this vid from a 10 to an 11 lol

thank you so much for this explanation and awesome video, Im so reassured for my gnsw s5 and ill save for firefly after pulling acheron 100% now

That Flowchart is REALLY REALLY helpful IMO. What I have is : S5 GNSW Sweaty Lightcone Trend of Market Lightcone. The only thing i am missing is that i don't have the second Nihility given in the chart i.e. SW, BS, and Kafka. I do have welt though but if i use Welt Then the Trend Market lightcones efficiency drops so I am wondering what team i can cook??

What is welt sustain?

Super cool video man. I really appreciate you recognizing this issue to the degree that you make this video and a damn good flowchart. I've seen a lot of dishonesty surrounding acheron with it being she's actually trash without s5 gnsw or sig or she's the highest pull value unit in forever

kafka's following up of any basic attack will also add the Acherons ult counter. something to keep in mind when building teams for fast reup of her ult.

I think I’ll likely be better off just going for Jingliu and maybe getting an Acheron in the future when my account is better prepared to utilize her 😆

Here is the thing. Between the gap that her signature gives compared to F2P option and her sub optimal teammates there is still a high ceiling for this character to reach. Imagine we get a new character that unloads like 3-4 debuffs at a time to where we can also use a harmony character on the team. Then we will see her damage skyrocket even more. This feels like the next tier of powercreep for the game and only a matter of time before we have content that needs it.

For pela what is have both Sweaty Pearl and Before the tutorial mission starts at S5 which one do I use for pela if I want to play her with Acheron?

This dude is so honest, love your content, it helps a lot 😊

For reference I can do the top of this MoC, with Kafka, Black Swan and Ruan Mei with F2P Lightcones in 2-3 Cycles. And the "PAY TO WIN" Acheron is doing the same chamber in just 1 cycles with just one 5 stars and the saem 3 Cycles with 4 stars supports and Fermata o.O.

DW we are getting a cracked 4 star light cone for acheron on version 2.2!

This type of video is SUPER USEFUL, PLEASE DO MORE OF IT!!! This helped me a LOT

What a great video! "Should you pull for her/him" chart should be on every video, very helpful.

Sure having good stats will make any dps great. But Jingliu defies this logic. just give her minimum 20 cit rate and invest all into crit damage and you'll have the BEST dps in the game. My opinion.

bro tried so hard to save her but instead proved even more that she isn't performing.

In y'all opinion, if I already have an excellently build Serval, is it still a good idea to get Acheron? I also have an E6 Pela, a Silverwolf, and Black Swan

Thanks for the vid IWTL, also that flowchart was really helpful for those still unsure about whether to roll for her or not. In my case shes hot so shes 100% pull for me.

Remember this is not genshin impact with that UNFORGIVABLE BS SCAM weapon banner In Star Rail, you can realistically get any character to e0s1 completely f2p provided you save your jade.

Dog I swear every single CC as well as a player need to calm the feck down. She'll function well at E0 with S1 GNSW. Going "but you NEEEEEED E2S1" is like telling someone, that you SHOULD always 0-cycle. MoC. Surprise peach - you don't. So why don't everyone relax their bussy lips and play the game for crying out loud? K? K.

Well, among my few 5 stars i have both SW and Welt, but i don't have any copy of Pela (but that doesn't really matter since she's on Acheron banner). I don't have GNSW at all, but i have 135+ pulls as of today (with a 37-38 pity on the limited character banners), so if i win the 50-50 obtaining Acheron, i think for the first time i will pull on the LC banner for the simple fact that the other few LC nihility option i have are already equipped on the other characters....so i really have literally 0 options for Acheron. I need at least a single copy of GNSW. But i have a question, since i'm going to build a team like Acheron-Welt-SW-Gallagher. Since i have Welt LC, but not the signature of SW, i'm right in thinking to give the LC "Resolution shines as pearls of sweat" to Welt that does AoE attacks, AND the Welt signature LC to SW?

Damm!! Now I have made a decision to jump on her after getting to know about this whole conclusion at 16:58! Thanks a lott. My account is gonna go insane for her.

Clearly IWTL's a hoyo shill right guys?! TECTONE said theyre shills, he cant be wrong right guys?!?!

I played HSR for a week or so and MAN is it soulless. HSR is as simple and anything could possibly be, and yet there are dozens of upgrade materials, and the longer you play you become weaker instead of stronger. Your party is either invested in the right elements to win a fight or it isn't, there's no strategy. I started saving for Acheron but the gameplay is so shallow and the thought of grinding her levels up sounded miserable so I uninstalled. Not one aspect of progression exists because it's fun. It's there to facilitate grind activities and the material shop/BP. Yuck.

I like the video, Its good and information heavy so the way i like it

That was a great flowchart. I hope you do them also for all future banners

Hey, did you test a bunch with Guinaifen? I read on mains subreddit that people doing tests actually preferred her over SW in a lot of scenarios. I already prepped SW and Pela myself, but was wondering if I might wanna run Guinaifen (definitely for PF, dunno about MoC et al)

This video helped a lot especially the flowchart . Finally i have decided to get acheron rather than jinglui (depends on 50/50).

if i only have GNSW that is 0s is that ok for acheron ? or should i get s5 femata ? would a team with acheron kafka pela and gepard do well cause i dont have black swan.

Can I use Acheron(either signature or GNSW) with Pela(Resolution LC), Welt(Solo Sustain) and Sparkle? I have seen some people saying that Welt can work as a solo sustain for Acheron. I am pretty new to the game, and I have a bunch of jades saved up, plus I just got Welt from standard. Otherwise I think I will just pull for Jingliu. Can Welt really work as a solo sustain in that team or would it be too clunky to play?

Suppose i have Acheron e0s1, sweaty pela, but not Silvy wolfy, but have ruin me/healer/shielder like guitar guy(50/50 ruiner) can I use MSK(Kafka e0s1)?? Will it work??

I got her at e0s1, s3sweaty e6pela , trend e1gepard. My only option rn for 2nd nihility is guinaifen, shoulf i build her or just use a healer for now and wait for a 5star nihility debuffer?

does trend of universal work if the enemies hit the preservation char if the char has a shield? or does the character hav to be un-shielded for the LC to work? im curious because im not sure if aventurine works with her

I am going for jingliu and I'll try for acheron later coz she should rerun soon than the older units plus I also have kafka so I have lightning coverage

I’m getting because I like her design and playstyle, I happen to also have almost every Nihilihity 5 star. So I have no problem using her E0

what should i use on pela if i dont have sweaty pearls?

amazing video! one question is Kafka's lightcone good enough? does it generate a bonus stack?

Can you make a comparison E0S0 Acheron vs Jingliu since most new players are considering both options? I watched a video of simulations and DHIL, Jingliu and Acheron dmg was very similar but I'd like if more content creators who have the characters get the same results

Well i have black swan, future market but I don't have pela but i will get her with acheron. Also i am thinking about going for her light cone but if i do that then i may have to give up on aventurine so is her LC really that necessary for her or will she do good with GNSW

i have a queston , when r u running speed boots and atk boots on acheron? and can we run sparkle instead of second nihility?

Hi Can you rry my below theory? Let's just say if you get 2 of her LC and example if you give 1 LC to pela so does when pela attack gives 2 stacks of slashed dream for acheron? Thankyou

I'm pulling for e0s1 (hoping to s5 gnsw at the same time), my Luka LC is at s2 and I've s1 trend. I'm so ready for her regardless!

may i ask how much EHR do I need to have for trend of universal market S4 (115 base chance) to reliably proc? thanks in advance. cheers!

I think this format for should you pull is the best, every condition add +1 / +2 / -1 to recommendation point

Just wondering, but would it be possible to showcase Gallaghar replacing the preservation character, for those who don't have Trend (like me)?

@iwintolosegaming so I have a 160 + sw and Pela eith enough ehr I'm planning on sustain welt instead of fire mc is that still good ? Don't worry I have saved enough for E1 s1 already

Does it make sense to use her in a team with Silverwolf, Sparkle, and Fuxuan? I have a mono quantum team and want to just have her interchangable with my Seele and QQ

Tell me pls where I can find a Google spreadsheet with calculations, I know there was one for Genshin and HSR somewhere....😵‍💫

Love the flow chart!

Can you use her with a healing type Sustainer too like HuoHuo if you don't wanna use someone like Gepard in the team? [Otherwise I need to build him asap too..]