@@Zooral45 not really one is being a professional and giving it your all until You’ve won or lost. One is giving up before even halftime when you’re still in the game
@@jamesartemio1312 atleast embidd shoots like 45% in the post season. Randle shot around 35% from the field with really bad defense and no rim protection and no playmaking. yikes
I don't think it's inconsistency. Inconsistency is like your shot not falling sometimes. It's more like inability. His game is tailored for padding in the regular season with inefficient midrange iso and foul drawing. That doesn't translate into the playoffs against serious defense, especially when they use two bigs to take away his driving lanes - that he doesn't properly use anyway because he's contact shy on offense. Beyond that, giving Embiid the ball at the elbow completely stalls the sixer's offense, everyone just stands around watching him jack it up. You can't run playoff offense like that. This isn't Shaq. If he was, he'd be down on the block demanding the ball.
I was a big embiid>jokic guy. But the more i watch the two the more i lean towards jokic. Embiid is great but needs his surrounding guys to have big games. Jokic is great and helps the guys around him have big games Jokic raises the floor of his supporting cast
Embiid just has to play more like Jokic, stop trying to be soo flashy and get to the paint, he can’t play make like him, but he can’t use sooo much clock sitting and settling for pull ups or turnovers
It's incredible how the 6ers organization make decisions that always turns out in the worst scenario possible. Mikal Bridges traded to the suns and playing phenomenal down the line, Ben Simmons who was suposed to be a star, drafted fultz instead of tatum, chose thobias and ben over Jimmy and kept doc after a bunch of disasters in the playoffs. Trust the process, i guess
@@kingdinodragonite3470 I don't disagree but posting stats from 1 game isn't an argument and tbh you could make a strong case for an for the big 3 guys
Let's all be completely honest, the only reason he won MVP is because they didn't want to give Jokic his 3rd in a row. Could be because they didn't want it to become "boring" if the same person wins it or maybe because he's not as flashy as other players. Or maybe it could be his race. Who's to actually know? Whatever the reason may be, it's been clear who should've won
No that’s not the only reason, I’m a bigger Jokic than Embiid fan but for the whole Regular Season Embiid balled out and worked his ass off. MVPs deserve respect regardless, Nashes, Embiids, AI.
In a way, the Sixers has that choking roster from the start. You got Harden and Embiid as historically bad closeout players plus you have Doc Rivers as the coach. Also if you have PJ Tucker as your 3 and D, you're kinda fucked. The only thing nice about Philly is Maxey and he's a 3rd option at best. I feel bad for Philly fans. 🤷♂️
This has to be hard for so many Philly fans to swallow. They've been spending so much energy defending this man and he just continuously lets them down in the worst way.
As an aforementioned Philly fan, it is incredibly hard. Most of the fanbase turned their back on him. Some are even calling to blow the team up and start from scratch again. I was never a Jokic hater but I supported Joel. He let me and the rest of the fanbase down big time Game 7. I’ll still root for him as long as he’s in a Sixers uniform, but I won’t waste my time defending him.
well when doc is your coach and doesnt know how to do his job half as good as most coaches and hes been coaching for 20+ years with a coaching style from the 90s. What can you really expect a player like Embiid to do with a new and rising all-star in maxey and a washed james harden that has always choked in the play offs unless he has 3 reliable shooters around him. I dont see why so many people look past this.. haters or not like its such an obvious fact no one wants to realize plays a huge part on the unsuccess of this franchise.
It is not putting up a stinker of a game 7 that bothers me, but rather that he got off the court and pointed blame at the supporting cast. The guy is the league MVP - he needs to show up. Can't expect role players to save you when you play like shit. Yes role players CAN save you (see Rui and Reaves early in the Warriors series) but that should be an anomaly, not an expectation. How is it a role player's job to be more consistent than the main man? #jokersnubbed
Joel Embiid is nothing but a regular season player. Nothing much more to say there. I would have been fine if he put up a stinker and was aggressive, but he freezes out there the minute his first look is taken away.
@@freeksandgreaks listen to the full quote and make your own decision. he took a lot of fault and explicitly said that "if he is looked at as the best player and the team fails, he should get the brunt of the blame" but also said that its a 5-on-5 game and him and james cant win alone. this comment section looks incredibly anti-embiid so i just ask that at the very least you watch the full interview and make your own interpretation.
I saw someone mention a couple years back that Embiid was as much to blame for the Hawks loss as Simmons was and he got skewered for that take. Now I have seen multiple videos in the last couple days mentioning his inconsistencies and even all the turnovers going back multiple years now. He really cared more about an MVP than playoff success. He should very embarrassed about this and so should everyone saying he was so much better than Jokic, and especially those idiots saying eh was better than Shaq or Hakeem
It's borderline insulting for Jokic to be compared to Embiid and not borderline delusional, certified Skip Bayless level delusional to argue Embiid is better than Jokic at this point. I think Jokic should be recognized as the best player in the world by most basketball fans but right now I feel like the majority think he's only validated as the best with a championship even if he averages 35 15 and 10 on 70% true shooting in a Finals or Conference Finals loss (which is actually realistic for him).
The thing is the Nuggets have built the perfect team around Jokic. They have a smart front office. Unlike the dunce caps at the Sixers. When it comes to MVP you could argue Jokic or Giannis deserves it more, but understand that MVP is a regular season award it doesn't count the playoffs and Embiid during the regular season especially the last stretch of games was the best player. Now if you want to make the argument that the MVP should include the playoffs then I would agree with you
He is a center who wants to play like a guard. He is 7 foot who wants to play like steph curry, KD, kobe bryant, and all those perimeter guy. He cares more about dribbling around with them "guard skills" than actually dominating the paint, dunking on everyone and instill fear in the paint. He cares more about his elbow iso jumper than bully the opponent down to the rim. he is a karl anthony towns with much worse shooting offensively.
@@djisjeeid8fu7frj To clarify, I was curious because in this comment section everyone seems to imply that his lack of playoff success proves he wasn’t deserving when those games aren’t what the award is based on at all. It might be a case where he wins the award while simultaneously not being the best player in the game, but the award covers the regular season only. That’s why I asked how his regular season was.
@@fortynights1513 People argued against Jokic using his lack of a championship. So now it is being used against Embiid. Winning the MVP put a target on Embiid's back, and he failed to justify it. Just like when Karl Malone and Charles Barkley won the MVP over MJ, and then lost to him in the Playoffs. They may or may not have had a better regular season, but it just made them look worse when the better player vanquished them.
Embiid only ever cared about MVP. He's not a winner, and even though he got his pity MVP he will always be remembered as one of the worst MVPs of all time. He wishes he was the player that Jokic is.
@@samantharay6098 Tatum has been in the Eastern Conference Finals 4 TIMES while being 25 y/o. Embiid has never won a second round series and he is nearly 30 y/o!
@@samantharay6098 he’s been out of the 2nd round 4 times of his career, Embiid while being dominant in the regular season hasn’t never been out the 2 round while underperforming
Can he be 2nd option on championship team? Only way for him to win ring is Dwight Howard scenario. What team could win championship if you trade him to?
In the 2nd round for his career, Embiid has averaged 23 ppg on 43/29 shooting splits. All of those stats are WAY below his career averages. And it's not like he was much better in 1st round series. This isn't even getting into the turnovers, or how he can be exploited defensively by being pulled out into space, or how much worse his 4th quarter stats are than his 1st quarter stats. I just don't think his game translate to the playoffs. He's a regular season monster. But the playoffs are a different sport. And I don't think you can win there by building your offense around a big man who is a mediocre passer, a mediocre shooter, lacks stamina, and can't defend in space. At the very least, you need to find an elite perimeter player to put beside him so he isn't the first option.
It’s crazy I’ve been a believer in Embiid since before he was recruited to Kansas, and now his MVP year is the one that lets me know he’ll never be THE guy. I’m still a huge fan, but definitely don’t believe he can be the best players on a championship roster, let alone MVP.
Jokic able to drop 51 when his teammate cant makes them shots fall while embiid here blaming his teammate when they basically help won him game 1 without him and dont forget when he abandon his teammate and duck the smoke in denver afraid to lose and hurt his mvp case
Oh yeah, everyone saw through it then, and the whole world sees through him now. He wanted the MVP, now he's being treated like an MVP who got bitched out in the second round...AGAIN. :D
This series showed me two things. Number 1 for them to win games deep in playoffs and have a shot at getting out of east and competing for a championship it had to be that James Harden was the best player on the team. Games 1 and 4 proved my point. Harden had over 40 each in both looking like Houston James Harden and 76ers won both bc of him. If Harden doesn't drop what he did in those 2 they probably get swept. The second thing it told me which builds off of the first take is that Embiid is not good enough and not consistent enough to be the number 1 option on a team. He's a great player when he's at his best don't get me wrong but time and time again year after year after year he disappears in the playoffs and doesn't show up in the big games. It's a very concerning trend and despite how bad Harden did in game 7 and other games not named 1 and 4 the 76ers absolutely can not lose James Harden. Because let me tell you if Harden walks and the 76ers fail to get a second star to pair with Embiid the 76ers next season at best will be a play in team that probably gets swept in first round if they make playoffs. Embiid himself is not good enough. I think Doc obviously deserves some blame for the series loss and probably will ultimately get fired but Embiid and Harden were the reason the 76ers collapsed. Changing coaches won't change much if we're being honest. 76ers probably need to do something risky and that many fans won't like which is trade Maxey who was phenomenal and rising star this season trade him and like 3 firsts for Dame if Portland makes him available and is interested. Trading a young star who's only going to continue to get better in Maxey is not ideal but the 76ers championship contending window with Embiid is fastly closing and i don't think the 76ers have much time to be patient and not take risks. Keeping Harden and trading for Dame and a potential starting 5 of Dame, Harden, PJ , Harris, and Embiid would be an elite starting 5 and make them among favorites. Idk how realistic it is they get Dame but if there is a way to get him I think philly needs to do whatever it takes.
@@Woody13woodpecker By no means saying Harden performed to his expectations - he didn't in 4 out of the 7 games in the series; but he did win Philly 2 games as the 2nd option while Embiid won them 0. Harden had a much better series and contributed to winning more than Embiid all things considered. With his pay cut I don't think you can really say he gave Philly less than his payroll demanded, even tho he did have two monumental chokejob games in game 6 and 7.
Joel throwing most of his teammates under the bus after an embarrassing loss still amazes me, even though Tobias and Maxey had more points than him. 👀🧐
Biggest problem with Embiid is him always playing through some injury at this point in the season. This is the 2nd time hes playing through a tear in his knee.
@@ChaosPrototypeIX he supposedly falls a lot in order to prevent injury. Too bad for him, it never works out for him in the playoffs. I think he just needs to lose weight. If his listed weight at 280 is correct, then he should cutoff like 10-15 pounds.
@@ChaosPrototypeIXthe falls don’t injure his knees or his hand or his face, he falls to prevent injury. He didn’t get hurt falling, he got hurt landing on Cam Johnson
Sixers had one excuse. Celtics were the better team... but Philly had a lot of chances to close out the series and flailed. Tatums legacy was half a quarter demo being really tarnished. Instead he's elevated a tier and Embiid has all kinds of questions now.
I’m not expert in basketball at all. I do however notice when someone isn’t giving it their all. Sometimes when I watch the 76ers I see lack of passion. It’s almost like they have an “well, it is what it is” attitude, which champions don’t really have.
In defense of Embiid’s passing, he got a lot better this year, especially when passing to the corner out of a double team. It just so happened to go to PJ Tucker or Tobias Harris most of the time unfortunately…
At least, Harden won two games and one without Embiid. Plus, Embiid seems to always have someone to blame. He never takes complete accountability as the leader of the team.
Joel embid just shouldn’t of won mvp forgot voter fatigue if a dude is dominating the league got his team number one and is a great teammate their mvp which is Jokic
Rusty seems to be absolutely allergic to giving the C’s the props they deserve. “Tough team on paper”. Nah bro, we’re a tough team PERIOD. Deal with it.
I think an issue with the embiid discussion is for a while the discussion was “if embiid wast injured he would be really good” but because of injuries we’ve never seen embiid actually playoff tested
@@samantharay6098I wouldn’t say that, but they happen so often that it gets exhausting to excuse him and it’s really just apart of his legacy atp , he pretty much will get hurt every playoff run. He doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt because while injured he puts up stinkers, which is fair but at that point your probably hurting the team more than helping
@@zod548 But if you look at his actual play, the problem isn't anything as simple as a knee that isn't 100%. It's all about his poor decisionmaking, his anxiety destroying his efficiency even on good shots. He let Marcus Smart guard him in the post FFS. He let Horford single coverage him into block after block in a 4th quarter. He let the sight of two bigs in the paint make him shoot 18' fadeways at 35%. He let himself be where Sixers offense broke down completely. Meanwhile, we get high flying chase down blocks. On that knee you said was so injured and making him put up stinkers.
The Sixers franchise hasn’t made it past the second round since Iverson took them to the finals in 2001. Aside from an outside shot in 2019 (pun intended) it’s been irrational to believe in them for over two decades but they’ve been picked to come out of the east the last three years. I don’t understand it.
Nash in 06, and possibly Wes Unseld’s MVP’s might be worse cases. Though I’m sure few MVP’s have had as underwhelming a postseason (though I haven’t looked at the numbers).
There is zero excuse for the 76ers to not have made at LEAST the conf finals in the Process era. This isn't Kobe & Duncan running rough shop in the west. This isn't Lebrons stranglehold on the East. Very reminiscent of the Cowboys unable to make the NFC championship even once since 1995.
To be fair, after '95 Dallas either had one good year or a good roster for consecutive years led by horrible coaching Doesn't help when they have a senile, stubborn old man as a owner/president
Didn't you hear Embiid? It's his teammates fault. He & James 8-29 25pt asses can't do it alone 😐 Even tho their key teammates scored more than them. Even PJ Tucker had more pts than Harden & his role is def.
For small market teams, imo the Jazz and Griz do pretty well. They know when to punt, and rebuild expeditiously. . Embiid wants almost all new teammates.
1:41 as a Raptors fan this made me laugh and cry. That insane defence led to the emergence of Maxey who Embiid just passed to out for 3 of that defence where we had no big. This video is spot on about Embiid but I was rooting for Philly….because Boston
When Joker won MVP last year, some media idiots claimed that there was never weakest case for MVP and that Joker is the worst MVP ever. Where are those narratives now, about Embiid? They could really prove to be truth this year, yet everyone has gone silent...
The truth is that Joel Embiid is a playoff choker Every single failure up until now he's always had some scapegoat or excuse that overshadowed him playing bad. Either it was Ben Simmons, Brett Brown, or injuries. Simmons is gone, Brown has been fired, and while he was hurt, he's always hurt and fans are tired of that being the reason. The reason why Embiid blamed his teammates in his press conference is because he's a lot more like Ben Simmons than he wants to believe, the man refuses to take accountability because every playoff exit he's had, he's always had someone mess up worse than he did.
As as sixers fan it’s time to blow it up rebuild around maxey. This is a guard and wing dominated league you can’t win with a center as your best player. The only exception is jokic but he’s basically just a 7ft point guard. I just think it’s time embiid is only getting older which means he’s just going to continue to get injured and perform badly in the playoffs. It was having this guy on the team fun having hope but it’s time to be serious you can’t win with him as your best player.
@@joegallagher9238 i see his point tho. Giannis can play like a PG & facilitate an offense. He may be a big but he is a way different player than embiid
@@BlvckMidas oh a traditional big is tough I agree, I just think most players now that you win with have something that makes them ‘ not traditional’ steph shoots like no one else, Jokic passes like no one his size Giannis is just. Bit of everything, Lebron is probably one of the more stereotypical players except he’s goated at everything lol
@@senbimmons4474 I think it's hilarious people are complainign that Embiid didn't have s much help as Jokic. Former MVP who won him 2 games against the toughest team in the East, Tobias Harris, Maxey, Tucker, Niang, Melton. How much $ is that? How much $ are Nuggets paying for their supporting cast? Any all stars?
@@djsav688that team after KD and Kyrie left weren't a playoff team. They are only in the playoffs because of KD and Kyrie won a bunch of games and were a 2nd seed.
So by your standards, is he a fake superstar for his inconsistent play and lack of success in the playoffs? Or does that only apply to Tatum? Who actually has had big playoff games, made the conference finals 4x and a finals appearance. And he is 5 years younger than Embiid. Just throwin it out there. Good vid.
Also another huge problem with the 6ixers in general is that half the guys that expose us every year in the play off, we should have picked in the draft but now we’re stuck with one trick pony players who yes are good but not win champions good like they entire Celtics team
MVP is a regular season award that he deserves because of his dominance. But I fear he might never become a 16 game player. MVP is a prestigious award but you don't wanna become the Tracy Mcgrady of the second round
I do want to mention that him flopping has actuallt helped his injury situation. The primary reason he flops is because trying to brace the fall and catch himself makes him more likely to get injured with his frame, and his injury coach recommended just falling
Joel Embiid knows damn well that Jimmy Butler would have been the guy to bail him out and pamper his legacy. I would not be surprised if Embiid wants a reunion in south beach.
Embiid should never be compared to Jokic. For this reason. I kinda wish Jokic won the MVP this year (which he deserved) because I don't ever wanna see Embiid genuinely compared to Jokic again.
Joel is probably going to load managing pretty hard next year so he can hopefully hold up going into the playoffs. I’m sure playing on a sprained knee was a lot of the struggle this year.
4:21 “flopping like a fish” is actually a defense against further injuries for Embiid. Most of the stress on his foot comes from trying to right himself and balance after awkward landings, so his doctors recommended just falling down so his foot doesn’t have to absorb all that tension. It may look like he’s just flopping for calls but he’s actually prolonging his career (and also flopping for calls)
