The truth about the Armored Core Grip  

I have one from back in the day... I might try it, fr

My buddy back in the day always had one of those taking up like a full four feet of desk space in his room 😅

The old Playstation Controller Chair was a fun thing that was awesome for AC2/AA/AC3 era and far cheaper than the Steel Battalion one which didn't work that well for Armored Core.

You’d be better served by a HOTAS or HOSAS set of sticks on the coming PC version, if it allows that level of mapping. That said, there was a guy that has made an unsigned driver for Windows for the Steel Battalion controller, but you have to cut apart your controller’s wire and solder a USB plug to it.

If I remember right the second steel battalion was also an army recruiter tie in. Which seems insane.

This dude is a bot

@@chefbutterrrr you dick eating. Relax

Do you have a video I could watch?

@@jmarinotripp240 sorry pal. she was a young kid in the video I saw around a decade ago here on youtube.

yeah, can do that on the ps4 at the system level. Then it becomes viable. It definitely wasn't before then unless you started this way or put in absurd amounts of time using it for minimal advantages

Finally I see a case for inverted X-axis

works off the BAT. off the BAT. not off the back. jesus

​@@Kezzic thank God someone said it

@@Kezzic That seems like a bit of a strong reaction to someone who probably just misremembered a phrase they rarely heard themselves, or something, maybe even a mere typo. jesus

Was? Tell me this awesome dude is okay.

You're right tho lol. On a controller it's impossible to move the right stick (usually the camera) and press a button (jump, reload, and crouch usually) at the same time. This is a pretty major setback of current controllers and its actually not a limitation that keyboard and mouse shares. There is definitely room for controller innovation but gamers hate change so we probably won't see any for a while.

​@@enumaelish9193 he probably got married and had kids, now he cant be that character anymore

@@schmecklin377 Just rebind jump to trigger though, been doing it for years

@@enumaelish9193 He was great last time I checked, living in NYC doing work as a software technician/engineer or something.

I thought the Circle Pad pro was made for Kid Icarus Uprising

@@kelnhide The Circle Pad Pro was released at the same time as MH3G, in 2011 (and was actually revealed at the same time as MH3G, too), but Kid Icarus only came out in 2012. The reason I remember it so clearly is because of all the people in the community railing on the 3DS because "you can't even use claw grip on it, so now you have to buy an attachment just for this game".

And the lock on feature made claw irrelevant.

@@justthere845 @justthere845 The target cam was a huge qol update, but it doesn't replace having the option for a quick tap on the dpad with the index finger to look at a specific body part, a teammate, when there is more than 1 monster in the area, etc.. In fact, there was a Circle Pad Pro made for MH4G that had the stick where the L button should be - specifically so you could use the claw on the 3DS.

the one made by hori that put the camera controls on your left index finger is objectively superior as camera controls are accessible during other animations without moving your thumb from the face buttons to the right pad/nub. though that is admittedly a very minor advantage, I personally do find the hori 3dsxl grip more comfortable than ANY other 3ds grip on the market

Some games literally used to have control schemes for the claw grip. Dude doesn't know what he's talking about

Bumper jumper is legit one of the best control schemes of all time. I have no clue how I ever played Halo 3 pvp with B as my melee button as a kid lol

@@UselessRecords I was pretty dominant at Reach with the old Duke control scheme. Honestly anything else feels too alien for me with Halo.

@@UselessRecords more than likely you can/could flick your thumb from RS to a face button faster than the action’s animation could play on the return. For most players the control scheme is fine, even with the small input delay.

Did it work?

@@PixyEm I was never interested enough to try.

Combining two controllers is also the optimal way to play the NES port of Elite.

Combine 2 controllers over controller port 1 and 2 for a more modern way of playing GoldenEye on the N64. You're welcome.

yeah! i used to do this on console for AC2, makes much more sense than fiddling with the shoulders, forgetting which one is up and which one is down

Yeah dude, that worked out great. Definitely keep doing this. Video was well edited and I liked that this wasn't just a "OMG YOU HAVE TO SEE HOW PEOPLE HOLD THE CONTROLLER FOR THIS GAME??????!!??" and instead you educated people. well done. One suggestion on the parts where you filmed yourself, do a couple more takes. Make sure the words come out like the rest of the video and you're confident like you are in the rest. Keep the tone the same. I know full well how hard that is, but a few more takes and you'll nail it. Good job and keep doing this man!

@@amerikaOnFire thanks so much! I’m definitely gonna take that advice to heart

This was actually solid, especially after looking at your most recent video prior to this. The only thing lacking is high quality equipment (i.e. I can hear the room) and you're just a little too laid back with your speaking. Honestly, a really good mic could actually rectify both and turn your soft, smooth speech into an identifying part of the channel. I'm only saying all of this because this video is promising. I've seen successful channels with worse writing and production quality.

@@Gehrich_ Thank you! Yeah I’ve tried to step up audio by buying a shure sm57 and an audio interface but I’m clueless there with editing, setup, and whether it was worth it lol 😅 I just have no direction but I’m hoping to step it up in the future somehow

@@UselessRecords Your editing in this vid is spot on. Your mic should be fine, so I'm guessing you just need some dampening panels in the immediate area to reduce the sound of your voice bouncing off of the walls. That won't be worth the investment until the channel can pay for its own upgrades. For context, I've seen more than a few channels with 5k-20k subs that obviously use dollar store headsets. You've honestly gone above and beyond for where you're sitting, atm. Good luck finding content to create.

Good to see some fellow animal crossing fans here

I feel like reversing the D-Pad would be brutal in learning curve over using the index/middle fingers simultaneously. But then again I was 8 years old and didn’t know any better.

I never had issues with it. I think it was second nature to me and actually learned it on the go the first time I played it back in the late 90s.

Same. It developed naturally out of necessity, it wasn't some sort of internet meme inspiration. It's sort of annoying, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

Same man lol

You got a good eye 🫡

JP loves 5th Gen so much, they kept the franchise alive in Japan & basically cornered From to include 5th Gen mechanics (Scan Mode, Main Hangar weapons) into ACVI.

Why does Japan love it so much if I can ask?

@@hanayuna4 decent online content, emphasis on team play, Armored Core. What more could they ask? Other than integrating previous mechanics.

@@hanayuna4 in the 5th gen multiplayer has 1 player as a operator and the rest as the merc/raven squad

Just like kings field

Honestly not that bad. The real innovation that sticks gave us was analogue inputs, so you didn't always turn at full speed.

the fact that paddles aren't standard on controllers nowadays AT MINIMUM is a travesty

a source of arthritis

I just play claw grip. I'm 3 dark souls games and an Elden Ring in by now, claw is all I know any more.

Claw grip is still insanely useful for many games

@@Lazypackmule It's also really easy with the Wii U pro controller's layout. My favorite controller in many ways.

​@@Lazypackmule i hold claw grip 100% of the time i'm using a controller, i find use for it in literally every pad game i play (pressing 2 face buttons simultaneously, camera movement+jumping etc). I don't think it's awful for your hands unless you're already death gripping the controller, very comfortable personally!

I definitely recall the appearance of the reverse grip being back in ACV. The reason, if memory serves me right, is because in ACV the game mechanics required the player to now constantly shift between scanning with the camera controls in order to also recover EN and shifting to combat mode while using the face buttons to control all your armaments. Couple this with separated controls for Boost, Jumping, Recon and other stuff, it makes for a painful experience with a truncated claw grip for intense and long gameplay sessions. It requires rebinding stuff to do effectively which all AC games have free binding customizations, but it is not a "standard" to play AC. Rather, it was just a surprising thing somebody on the internet did which worked out for them, but it looked weird so other people saw it as interesting. It was also usable for ACV because ACV was mostly lateral-style gameplay as opposed to vertical. Also, some of the purpose of this control scheme has been alleviated with the appearance of controller back buttons so I'd say just use whatever works for you. You no longer have to claw your finger to press face buttons, and instead just close them naturally to press the back buttons, which obviously this "reverse grip" was aiming for in the first place. At the end of the day, Armored Core's standard control scheme isn't any different from most 3rd-person shooters nowadays. With the inclusion of Gyro in controllers, it's now probably even more easier to play with a standard grip. Interestingly enough though, some people have actually mentioned preferring to use the PS1-era style of configuration even on the more modern AC games, with the movement on the D-pad, and the misc commands on the L-stick, with the Look Up and Look Down commands bound to the trigger buttons. To each his own, I guess.

It's a pretty good analog to natural evolution. The current standard didn't come from nowhere, it was built on its predecessors. I would think of most of modern dual-sticks stemming from the PS1 analog stick controller, which then goes back to Snes controllers. Basically, the design relying on thumbs was baked into the design standard when there wasn't too many inputs buttons for our thumbs to handle with high fidelity (with the exception of few games like fighting games). "The design is very human" memes aside, while the dualshock controller design meant a human hand couldn't efficiently use all of the input options, it's also the case that few games really demanded a degree of input that wasn't manageable so even while the current design was becoming flawed it would still perform well enough across the board that any really fundamental changes to address the issue would be less desirable as it competes against familiarity and muscle memory for a pretty niche advantage. The earliest I can think of the overreliance on thumbs having mainstream drawbacks is in the FPS craze of the PS3 and 360 days where it was common to rebind controls because a standard grip meant you couldn't look with right stick and press face buttons to crouch or prone at the same time. We are now seeing buttons added to the backs of controllers but something to consider is that that space and those fingers are not "free". On some of those controllers many people have had to disable some back buttons because a comfortable grip on the controller means accidental presses happen and we see which layouts don't stay around as a result. The last thing I would mention if you are going to try design a controller with reverse face inputs is to keep in mind that your thumb and index are your only very independent digits. Your other fingers are mechanically coupled so even if they arent gripping theyre still limmited in complex input sequences or combinationcan. You can train 3,4&5 to be more independent but you want to avoid controller designs that allow higher fidelity control inputs that come at the cost of hand strains or deterioration (see this videos take on Claw Gripping)

I'm surprised multiple people caught that lol It felt so fitting with the dog at the end to top it off

I'm ngl this comment got me in my feelings hard Thank you so much

I’m all for calling it the “Hit it from the back style” from now on after this

6:05 yeah ofc it's gonna take time getting used to, 5 minutes you are gonna be trippin atleast. But trust me, I made 20 keybinds all at once for wow back in the day, even rebinding one of the movement buttons (running backwards b for corwards, unbound that shit). Takes like an hour to get used to. Like picking up a new game genre

I see you also know where it's Sunny.