The Truth Behind The Disk Pokemon Part 2: Projections 

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Eternal Flower (Floette) with the ability Light of Ruin being a Paradox Pokemon sold this theory for me. It just connects so seamlessly, I would be so bummed if Eternal Flower isn't somehow connected to the Paradox Pokemons.

It's also kind of interesting how "desire" and "dream" becoming "reality" mirrors Reshiram and Zekrom, where one looks ancient and the other futuristic, and Kyurem being another dragon from outer space who did a massive crater

You're steadily becoming one of the coolest speculators in the pokémon community.

Ok that connection of floette to the ruin Pokemon was really out of nowhere I love it. These videos honestly give me hope that Pokemon is not just lazily producing stories and i really hope that's the case

An interesting detail: Riddler Khu said that the third legendary is hidden in plain sight ... It's a giant turtle, look at the map, it's Area Zero and Mesagoza is the head, with the academy being it's crown

Something very small I noticed that puts the nail in the Koffing is the Tera Hats, specifically Electric and Flying but also applying to others such as ghost or poison. Both electric and flying represent OUR understanding of those two types, not the elemental symbol for the elements. If Terastalization was a naturally occurring phenomenon, electric would be a lightning bolt and flying would be wings, but because it represents our understanding they are a lightbulb and balloons. Same with ghost being Marowak's mother, poison being a skull and crossbones, fire being a chandelier, etc.

The way that you mentioned Pokémon being created from wishes or desires made me think of the Jirachi movie! In it, the main villain - in an attempt to resurrect Groudon - creates a monster instead. Speaking of Groudon, the fact that Primordial Reversion is even a thing (which is associated with orbs/crystals) may be a further example of wishes, but with cults behind them

A few more things, it would seem that changing your pokemons tera type would then be using the tera shards to alter its memory of what it thought it wanted to be, allowing it to become a different tera type. As well the fight with the paradise protection protocol was the disk legendary terastallizing the professor to protect what it has built, maybe it wants to protect and maintain paradox pokemon? In a short frame of dialogue when you're fighting the terastallized professor it says "AI Turo has no intention of fighting any more" Maybe the professor is being held there by the disk legendary and we pretty much set it free when we defeat the real thing that's preventing him from leaving.

On the topic of 3,000 years ago: In 2020, people started connecting the ancient kingdom in Unova (presumably the one that caused Kyurem to split) had something happen 3,000 years ago, as well. The artifacts in the Abyssal Ruins (there's *that* word again) are dated to 3000 years ago, and the Relic Crown is similarly shaped to Zacian's crown and ears when both are looked from the front. Not sure how that fits here, but when you went over the broad timeline at the end, I was reminded of it.

The Japanese for Floette Eternals Light of Ruin uses はめつ (hametsu) whereas the Treasures of Ruin use わざわい (wazawai), so likely they are not connected. Funnily enough there is another move that does use the same structure as light of ruin from back in Gen 3. The full Japanese for Light of Ruin is はめつのひかり (hametsu no hikari) and the Japanese for Jirachi's Doom Desire is はめつのねがい (hametsu no negai). Good video by the way.

Again, just Thank You to everyone who watched this and the last video. I'm so incredibly Thankful!!

If you want to go into it even further, you could also go into detail on how zygard is also made of the same hexagonal prisms and can alter it's form by combining the energies of multiple cores

A link to Alola is that in the original language of Japanese and all other languages Titan and Totem Pokemon do not have any difference in naming. It was English translators who intentionally changed the name to provide a distinction between the games.

Just wanted to let you know that your work, script and editing is already getting _quite_ good. Thank you for covering the topic, too ^_^ Have a sub!

A possible connection to necrosma: there have been a ton of mentions of light with regards to mega evolution, dynamax, and terastalization, and Necrosma consumes light. Perhaps it was drawn to the pokemon world to consume that light and gain those powers?

Shit that Gen 6 pull was the deepest cut, that's actually incredible. Excellent work.

Great follow-up video! I really appreciate you making the timeline at the end, helps me keep everything straight. I have an idea for how Zygarde may tie into this. Its Pokedex entries state that Zygarde appears when Kalos' ecosystem is threatened, being powerful enough to oppose even Xerneas or Yveltal. So what if Zygarde was manifested from the desire of the people and Pokemon being hurt in just such a catastrophe? What if when the Disc Pokemon crashed into Paldea, the resulting tsunamis and other natural disasters terrified the people and Pokemon of Kalos so much that Zygarde manifested to defend them? This would explain why Zygarde is so powerful, as the Ruin Legendaries being so much stronger than the Paradox Pokemon implies that projections created by the desires of multiple people are stronger than those created by just one person. And Zygarde would be powered by the desire of an entire region. This would also explain another crucial fact about Zygarde: why its so unstable. Zygarde's body often degrades into Zygarde cores and cells, losing the power of its complete form or ceasing to exist entirely. If Zygarde is in fact a projection, then this makes perfect sense because projections can't exist outside the Great Crater and the Disc Pokemon's influence for very long. Even the desire of an entire region isn't enough to sustain Zygarde forever, especially when that desire fades, but its cells and cores manage to persist, like how the Ruin Legendaries are strong enough to presist outside of the Great Crater. The Zygarde Cube which you use to collect the cores and cells may even be an equivalent of things like the Z-crystals and Tera Orbs, specific objects that allow their respective affects to remain active outside of the Great Crater.

@Roize Rasen The theme of Paldea's story is very similar to that of Alola's story. 1.Paradox pokemon = Ultra beasts (pokemon from other dimensions/Timelines) 2.Arven = Lillie (both being son/daughter of parents who care more for paradox pokemon/ultra beats than their actual son/daughter.) 3.Lusamine = Sada and Turo (Both become evil and mad at the end) 4.Koraidon/Miraidon = Solgaleo/Lunala. ( both are evolutions/versions of same pokemon, cosmog for alola and cyclizer for paldea) 5. Ultra Necrozma = Brilliant Disc ( Reality manipulating giants) 6.Time Manipulation = Space Manipulation (Abilities that were once only exclusive for sinnoh region)

I think it's also interesting how the Scarlet and Violet books have the respective legendaries in them, even though they didn't exist until Sada/Turo brought them to the present.

I couldn’t help but notice that the members of the Elite Four bear some resemblance to the Treasures of Ruin (Rika to Ting-Lu, Poppy to Chi-Yu, Larry to Chien-Pao, and Hassel to Wo-Chien). Maybe Geeta is meant to be a parallel of the Paldean emperor and her goal is to try to find the disk Pokémon in Area Zero to free it and/or have its powers under her control. To help her she’ll enlist the player, Arven, Penny, Nemona and possibly other Champion-ranked Trainers (she does have their phone numbers, after all) in addition to the Elite Four under the guise of protecting the region from the disk Pokémon. As the story progresses, the Elite Four realize Geeta’s true intentions and turn against her, helping us to defeat her. Just as the Treasures of Ruin toppled the Paldean emperor’s reign, so too will the Elite Four end the rule of Paldea’s Top Champion.

Just like how Ash’s story in the Pokémon anime came to a closure with everything coming together. I feel like the Pokémon games are also trying to bring it all together with this DLC.

I'd say this aged pretty well

What the minute did opponent who defeat original necrozma was disc pokemon? Omg the lore is insane.

With all the strong and incredibly plausible connections you made between Kalos, Galar and Paldea, I'm starting to think it ultimately wasn't a coincidence to have all of them take place in regions that are part of Europe (or rather the Pokémon equivalent of Europe), having basically all of them next to each other.

Usually people don't talk about how tera gems have eyes and need to be recharged... In Pokemon centers and crystals. Plus the whole thing used the ring of the orb and the little gem inside to make the crown. Also it's a literal PokeBall

The first video you did theorizing about the Disk Pokemon and how so much of the Pokemon universe starts to fit together because of that instantly got me hooked on wanting to know more, and this part 2 absolutely delivered. One of my friends and I had actually thought about where Eternatus could have come from and what it truly is, and some of the ideas we had are the same you shared in these two videos, which sent us crazy with inspiration and got me thinking even more about them. This is the first time in a long while I've been practically vibrating with excitement over Pokemon theories, absolutely made my day with this video

In one of arvens postgame cutscenes, he mentions how the violet book speaks of past and future Pokémon before his parents Time Machine is made. He also mentions how his father quote unquote, made his dreams a reality.

I love the connection made with Floette and the Ruin Pokemon, is it possible that energy from the ultimate weapon imbued the items; Beads of Ruin, Sword of Ruin, Vessel of Ruin, Tablets of Ruin with a special energy that resulted in the Pokemon's existence when the great desire was present? Was there a connection with the markings on the ground in one of the Area Zero caves to anything?

This is such an amazing time to be coming up with theories. They gave us so much to work with and it's so fascinating seeing what people come up with. The connection to Eternal Floette and the Ruin Legendaries blew my mind. We are _definitely_ going back to Kalos soon.

This is fascinating because it connects several of the out of universe considered "Hollower" games together creating a convoluted situation where it's questioned "whos fault is it that this mess happened?"

This is awesome thank you for making these connections! I hope our collective hypes turns this into reality

I think there is a connection between terastalize and dynamaxing. There is an interview someone asks Junichi Masuda and Shigeru Ohmori about how dynamaxing works in lore, and they said the pokemon aren't actually growing to become giant, that it's an projection or an illusion that kinda becomes real. And they didn't wanted to respond further than that. It sounds very similar to the terastalize phenomenon.

Man, this doesn't feel like your third video. From the theory, script and editing this is extremely well done and interesting! Once the DLC is out it would be interesting to see some sort of comparison between your predictions and what ends up actually being the explaination

This makes a ton of sense and really takes me back to the old Gen 7 Alchemy Theories. The idea that this lore could all be really thought out and connected is unlikely knowing Game Freak, but if it is, this is some of the coolest background mythos in games in general

While listening to this video, I was wondering why the idea of a power that can make dreams come true sounded so familiar to me. Then I was reminded of the third Pokemon movie (Spell of the Unown), since it's literally the power of the Unowns in this film. I wonder if it's just me X)

ITS FINALLY HERE Thank you Rasen for all your hard work

As of scarlet and violet there is a new theory about the pokéball pattern on the foongus line. it's pokemon scarlet entry it says: "There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked Foongus, but this has not been confirmed." so maybe it's the other way around and this explains Brute Bonnet pattern.

This may be my first time finding a channel this good that's this new. I'm excited to see your inevitable rise to prominence with content this well thought-out and presented!

Something that caught my attention is the disc like logos at the end of the credits in movies. Movies are fictional creations like the power of the disc pokemon.

i guess it makes sense for dynamax, mega's and terra to be related since it all takes place in europe. These two videos are the main reason i'm super hyped for the dlcs now. Amazing job!

I’ve been talking about a lot of this stuff with a friend lately, but you noticed so many big details that we missed. One thing we do think we figured out is the connection between the disk Pokemon and Z-Moves, though. The stones used for it are connected to fragments of Necrozma, who lost them in battle and is in a pain-induced rage as a result. There are parallels to how Eternatus’ energy was able to be utilized for Dynamax after it was defeated by Zacian and Zamazenta. Both of these Pokémon left behind something desirable, and both of them likely wouldn’t be happy to find that what they’ve lost is being used in such a way. Disaster would likely ensue if/when they returned.

This theory feels like it should be true in so many ways it just all connects so seamlessly

I have something very minor connecting alola to this whole thing. In pokemon USUM you are able to use solgaleo/lunala to go into the ultra ruins, an apocalyptic visage of hau'oli city in an alternate dimension where guzzlord is found. The thing that the resident of the region upon entering the area is something akin to the player 'coming back' to the city, which makes me think that maybe this ultra space is the reality that happens if the player doesn't return from the journey and lets the ultrabeasts destroy the world. I am thinking that maybe the existence of the paradox pokemon could be in some way similar to that of the ultra ruins reality. It isn't necessarily far-fetched to say that legendary pokemon can come from ultra wormholes as well as we can find pretty much every legendary ever in these wormholes, perhaps it is just a matter of being called into the real world. I don't think I am smart enough to draw any sensible conclusions from this, but I will leave it to all of you wonderful people to speculate on.

This video really just kept hitting me with the "BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE" and now I'm convinced

This is easily the most fun gen just for the speculation and connect-the-dots material alone. Your video (inconveniently) reminded me how the Pokeball design itself resembles the Wheel of Life and death, which is composed of 6 compartments.

Legends arceus seems important to me, from the time fuckery and space time distortions, to the fact that arceus is light and the stones restore the original forms of dialysis and palkia, must like how ultra necrozium restores the true form, but these forms can be restored otherwise, either for the past decade Pokémon has been copying their own homework or they are hinting at something, it’s up to you.

thank you big papi for blessing us with this information.

I like the idea of the Hexagon being Zygardes counterpart, because the Hexagon spawns in new stuff, but Zygarde keeps the balance of nature

OK ARE WERE FORGETTING THAT HOOPA CAN CREATE PORTALS?!

Great video! Question/Theory I’d like to put forward. I agree completely that paradox Pokémon are just projections by the disk Pokémon, rather than actually being from the distant past or future. However following that logic, I have to ask, where does the wormhole lead? It doesn’t make sense to me for the wormhole to truely being able to send something forward or backward in time because what would be the point of creating the paradox pokemon if the time machine worked the whole time? I don’t think it does honestly. This is where it gets far fetched. Your theory seems to be this game will tie the lore of gens 6-9 together. I think it tie Gen v in too. If the disc Pokémon fulfills the dreams and desires of those around it, maybe the wormhole leads to the Pokémon dream world from Gen V. While it’s just a forgetton and poorly implemented gimmick in the games, in the manga the dream world was where reshiram and zekrom lived while inside of the light and dark stone and the stones act as a kind of portal between the real world and dream world, even allowing people to enter the dream world. Masuda has said he thinks of Gen IV as an end of an era for Pokémon and Gen V as the start of a new one. It’s totally possible Gen v will get left out and only the 3d games will get tied together I think it would be very fitting if Gen 9 acted as a way to tie the lore of every game since Gen V together. Maybe it will even be a finale to the second “era” of Pokémon.

I'm starting to think the Disk Pokemon is the anti-Arceus/genius of the lamp Arceus created the pokemon and their 18 types The Disk Pokemon can create new pokemon based on the desires of people in Area Zero (but they can't reproduce) and fake 18 types that can be given to pokemons based on their nature. It is located in the deepest pit, while Arceus is in the highest mountain Also, I think the Hourglass represents Paldea (upper triangle), the Disk Pokemon (lower triangle) and Area Zero (the intersection)

Everything about this theory is so satisfying and I love everything about it. Fantastic work!

I subscribe to Bird Keeper Toby's theory that the third Legend in recent games (Zygarde, Ultra Necrozma, Eternatus) are all pieces of Arceus via real world parallels to Alchemy. That would make this creature the fourth and final piece: Reflective.

IF by some miracle you haven't seen bird keeper toby's lore video on this stuff, you absolutely should. He made several of these connections AND goes into the same questions you ask, but with some very interesting stuff!

This is amazing, and your theory/thoughts made me actually like the "fake" legendary birds, they're paradoxes it makes so much sense now.

Within Lysandre’s books and things it talks about both the Ultimate Weapon and the Anistar Sundial being creations of a higher power not understood by even modern engineering, it sounds similar to the way the AI Sada/Turo talk about themselves, I also think the hexagonal design serpent creature associated with the earth is too closely linked to Zygarde to be a coincidence

Wow, this "Light of Ruin" entry with the music gave me goosebumps. Amazing video

The theme of Desire also fits perfectly with the games theme of "finding your own treasure"!!!

Scarlet's Pokedex entry for Foongus the preevolved form of Amoonguss, States: There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked Foongus, but this has not been confirmed. >.> Also the White Entry: For some reason, this Pokémon resembles a Poké Ball. the X Entry: Why it resembles a Poké Ball is unknown. & the Sword Entry: No one knows what the Poké Ball-like pattern on Foongus means or why Foongus has it. Pretty much says that it's Pokeball resemblance has an Unknown Purpose.... And the fact that Amoonguss's Entries that state that it uses these patterns to try and lure pokemon also States that they Aren't Fooled by it White & X Entries: They show off their Poké Ball caps to lure prey, but very few Pokémon are fooled by this. Violet Entry: Amoonguss mimics Poké Balls. It is not yet clear whether this mimicry is effective against other Pokémon. Yeah no.... there Really doesn't seem to be a good reason why they would evolve to have this appearance...... Which kinda gives more credence to that Scarlet Pokedex entry for Foongus

I'm subscribing because i simply loved you script, your narration and theories... amazing work, keep up

This video just kept getting better and better and its not even over yet! Thank you for all the effort and work put into the connections Roize, these last two videos have been WILD

These videos are so well made. I loved the speculation and its cool thinking they might be building a big connected story unfolding.

The fact that gholdengo was made by a curse itself. How the king "bath" the guy who give him the objects in gold.

I think 'Brilliant Disc' is the paradox name of that third legendary!!!

I hope the disc Pokemon is a dragon-type. just. like. every. other. third. legendary. that. makes. the. gimmick.

Honestly fantastic. Well made, we'll researched and honestly one of my favorite theories. Bird keeper toby is also up there as well. What do you think of his theories?

Thank you for reminding me just how awesome the XY games were, with the Battle! Xerneas and Yveltal theme. You make some really sound and logical relations between the concepts presented throughout the games. I hope these ideas come alive in future games

im gripping you and everyone i know by the shoulders, this is exactly what ive been thinking ever since i saw "big crater in spain, big lazer in france" im basically running an AU campaign in a server that features the Big Monster at the bottom of crater and im gnashing my teeth in excitement

Playing more Shield, working on shiny hunting legends in Max Lairs, I decided to talk to Peonia. She says that not only is the scientist woman from Alola, implying she was a previous employee of the Aether Foundation, Peonia also says that the first legendary Pokémon discovered in the dens was Lunala. This implies a direct connection between Ultra Wormholes/Space and the Dynamax/Gigantamax phenomenon. Out of curiosity, can anyone with Sword check and confirm for me whether she says it was Solgaleo discovered first in that version?

I keep thinking about how Eternatus is a Poison type, and so is the Glimmora line, who are confirmed to have a structure similar to the terastal crystals... It always confused me why Eternatus was Poison, as nothing in the games mentions it causing illness, but now I think I get it. Like, it's Poison because it "poisons" space itself, corrupting it, making it portray Pokemon as different than they really are (Dynamaxxing). Also, the way that Sada/Turo became obsessed with Area Zero reminds me a LOT of Lusamine's obsession with Ultra Beasts, and Lusamine's mind was a least partially influenced by *Nihilego's poison*. So, the Disk Pokemon may be a Poison/Psychic type, Psychic because of its ability to see someone's desires, and Poison because what it's doing is corruptive, parasitic, or just plain wrong in an eldritch sense, a being which "poisons" both reality and mind.

Absolutely love this! Hope to see more videos from you in the future soon!

CANNOT STRESS how awesome your videos are. Havent started the video yet but im so excited. Ive been waiting for this video!! When I went to your profile last video for more content I was shocked to see just a small bunch of videos your videos are AMAZING I cannot wait for more content!!

Incredible analysis! Makes so much sense now that the Ruination Pokemon would be "created" during that ceremony in the Area Zero cave based on the projected desire/emotion of the people involved. The AZ Floette "Light of Ruin" connection was another great find! Even more hyped for Pokemon Day now ^_^ Great editing, too!

It made me so happy to see another theory video, and the timeline is really well laid out

It's mindblowing the amount of thought and connecting went into your two parts! One thing I do speculate is if Sada/Turo imagining the Paradox Pokemon also introduced them into different time periods, such as when Heath visited the crater. Heath would record what he saw in his journal, inspiring the professors to imagine them, creating a paradox in itself.

About the amonguss thing, in one of the Pokedex entries about fungus, his pre evolution, says that There is a theory that the developer of the modern-day Poké Ball really liked It and just based on It to create the Poké balls, at least this one is not a paradox, but others are, by sure

Awesome video, between you and Tyranitartube, I'm loving these speculative videos

R.I.P. Chien-Pao Now everyone have to Press F

Never have I waited for a part 2 of a video ever, this was amazing

They say that thanks to the formation of the creater, the ancient Pokemon were able to survive in an untouched environment, which makes sense in a way. Also, in the Violet book the feet of Iron Treads looks like Dialga's some may there's a connection since he's the time Pokemon

The paradox pokemon take on a whole new meaning now. I was really confused why “past” Salamence had wings since its dex entry says it used to not have wings, but now it makes so much sense

Thanks bro for uploading... waiting for it desperately after watching the first part

the whole "deity with immense power grants the peoples desires by altering reality to suit their cognition" thing is very reminiscent of persona 5 roya- *gets shot*

Such amazing things I would have never though about, thx for the great videos!

This was such a pleasure to watch. Your really deserve more views.

Can’t wait for all of this to come Together in Pokémon ZA

Great video! It be great to see kind of link to all of these space or different universe Pokemon.

3. Hoenn (asteroid attack) - weather trio (mega energy) - primal reversion (mega energy affected Pokemon) - legendary from space (pulled or attacked by rayquaza) - mega stone, keystone & mega evolution Gimmick 4. sinnoh (Hisui region) - giratina (origin forms & space time distortion) - noble pokemon (frienzied energy affected Pokemon) - alpha pokemon (space time rift energy affected Pokemon) - non native pokemons like magnemite (pulled by space time distortion) 6. Kalos (Az weapon attack) - ancient weapon (mega energy) - mega evolution (mega stone affected Pokemon) - bond phenomenon (bond sync affected by Pokemon trainer) - mega stone, keystone & mega evolution Gimmick 7. Alola (ultra space / wormhole) - ultra necrozma (crystal body & ultra burst energy pokemon) - totem pokemon (beast boost energy affected Pokemon) - ultra beast (pulled by necrozma/solgaleo) - z-crystal & z-move Gimmick 8. Galar (somewhere from space) - eternatus (crystal body & eternamax energy pokemon) - gigantamax pokemon (by mushroom energy affected Pokemon) - legendary from other region (pulled by eternatus) - galar crystals & dynamax-gigantamax Gimmick 9. Paldea (aera zero) - terapagos (crystal body & tera energy pokemon) - titan pokemon (by herb energy affected Pokemon) - paradox pokemon (pulled by terapagos) - tera crystals & terastral phenomenon Gimmick

I've been eagerly awaiting this vid since u uploaded part 1 :) this was great Now we wait for dlc!!! (or ig pokemon presents first)

Well to throw a minor spanner in the mix it seems that we see Paradox pokemon being true to their names. Modern pokemon being presented with past or future adaptation. With the future its modern pokemon that are more nature based being altered with robotic like modifications while in the past we either see past versions or almost stranded and feral versions of modern Pokemon in time. As Roaring moon looks like Mega Salimance in a way. 13:47 in Pokemon White and Black the origin dragon that would become Reshiram, Zekrom and Kyrem appeared 500 years after the Darkest day/Ultimate weapon/ruination, so it could be said that Unova's ruination in ancient times was caused by the crystals as well calling these beings.

Another thing that might be worth something is Hoenn was in it’s primal state, with Primal Groudon and Kyogre wreaking havoc, was 3,000 years ago too, alongside the darkest day and AZ firing the ultimate weapon.

There’s no way the third legendary didn’t influence the original Sada/Turo. Cause even their own AI version who has the same thought process says “I can’t seem to find logic in the original professors decision”

I think this is one of my favorite aspects of Pokémon and our community. I love learning more about the lore and hearing theories.

Was so hyped to see this in my sub box man ♥

Lez go I have been waiting for this for soooooo long

Another thing you made me think of with the mega evolution bring related to the Disk is the fact that Mega Mewtwo makes 0 sense, as noted by the community since the X and Y's release. While every other Pokemon that has mega evolution is natural made, Mewtwo has one despite being a science experiment. Not just that, but it has 2 forms: a more primitive, melee form in the first version, and a more futuristic, megaminded super psychic as the second version's. I'm definitely stretching here, but hey you said it yourself your video is stretching as is, so why not pull a little farther. Also, just a super cool video. Can't wait for what you put out next. Cheers

i love how chang pao just fell off the cliff

I think barely anyone noticed the connections to the Lentel region (New Pokemon Snap) where pokemon can be seen glowing during the night. there is also the botanical connection with the crystalbloom as a plant that harnesses light. the orbs you throw look like tera crystals as well. finally, the connection with the eternal flower and the legends of X and Y with the ultimate weapon is seen as Xerneas is the protector of the meteor in Lentel.

amazing video! i love how we're finally getting a story that's worth theorizing about after the mess we got in galar. i think the crater may have actually been caused by the ultimate weapon, which banished the disk pokemon to an alternate dimension, like ultra space, hence how it only ever comes to people in dreams, and has planets floating behind it. it was using the paradox pokemon to get sada and turo to work on the time machine, to have them invent tera orbs, so that it can strengthen its connection to our world, to hopefully one day return.