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say boosting ok if limit 10k gold per(if only 1 dude boosting) run at most still small enough gets you money mostly say reasoni hate boosting like 100k or more lot people like me be lucky have 50 k let alone 20k. boosting is ok if cap on it 1 dude pay 10k or if 3 5 dude can split be 50k. or maybe boosting friend sh dad use back wrath.bit cata before i quit use run me though old dungon cause he was bored. but think issues becomes people try sell boosting 100k which might as well be wow token in way pay to win. so say 10k for every dude wants be boosted still bit money not enough get wow token but diffrently good chunk money just me. how i do it at most i sell run 10k gold cheap get job done both party happy maybe you get money 5k upfront 5k after right before final boss finish boss. but most people i see sell boosting insane 100k on cheap end hold up wait min something ain't right here wow token 200 300k bull sh to me
also just tip if got vulprea warlock go farm green tome every time log in give it hour or 2 watch prices ah seen those sell 20k at high end on moon guard if lucky might spot sell 5k buy one or 2 of 5k ones put it in guild bank alt wait week or 2 check prices how sometimes get money
the main reason why Boosting is an issue in my eyes is THAT is Pay2Win, as that is a part of the game that you progress to display your skill and get the best gear and collectibles. now PVP and PVE is about who's money cock is larger rather than Skill and Teamwork. because of this Boosting is a big nono in my eyes, if not the biggest nono, for it's not much different than buying stuff from the cash shop.
I don’t really farm gold apart from doing the valdrakken weekly quests and the rest is doing M+. When I need a good amount of gold I just buy a token which saves a lot of time.
I used to farm hours on Saturdays and be able to pay for my subscription each month, but now I spend even more time each week to make less gold than in other expansions. This system does not work anymore and it's frustrating. I don't want to spend time like it's a job just to make the gold that was so much more available in past expansions.
the problem is there 2 types of people playing WoW some like me cant afford the game but many people have more than enough to pay for the game and pay for all the added for money items like WoW tokens and transmog purchases and game time and expansions I dont see WoW giving the ptw because as you say many are giving WoW boatful of money!!
I don't raid (not since WoD), only play M+ as I enjoy the casual aspect and not having to dedicate whole evenings to raiding. This has lead me to a problem where I am now playing 6 healer classes simultaneously, the problem is that I no longer have a "main" character so the prospect of leveling professions has completely disappeared. I would love to be able to have a main and perhaps 1 or 2 alts and focus on their professions too, not necessarily to make money but to supplement my characters. I feel this is a huge problem, I've lost that identity I had with "main" therefore I will likely never again level a profession. I don't buy wow tokens but I've considered it, but honestly my main outgoing has been repair bills, I don't buy crafted gear due to the price of it and not being able to afford the materials and tip. It's lame. I would love to have more class identity back in the game so that I could feel connected to the classes I play and perhaps then I could settle on just a couple of characters (and possibly a main).
Bliz should first fix the bot problem, if it was not the amount of gold they add to the system and the devaluation they make in a lot of stuff they farm, maybe the gold circulating was not as high and bliz wouldnt feel the need for so many gold sinks. But totally agree with video, at least leave the high end PVE/PVP out of this mess, i'm not into any of these but wouldnt wan't the best players to leave wow because they couldn't pay the wow rent...
Someone said it this way, 1-2 real life work / labor for the token, or 8-10 hours of in game work. There isn't anything in game that you could do to earn enough gold VS just getting a job and using 1-2hours of your labor.
Pro tip: Make all of your gold at the beginning of the expansion and don't blow it on the ridiculously priced max enchants/gems/etc while the expansion is new. I made about 9 million gold in the first 6 months or so and now I don't worry about farming gold. It's really easy at the start of the expansion when prices are super high and competition is super low
counter - I value my time. I don't want to waste the time I have in wow farming and crafting, when I can buy a token and get it all in minutes and crack on with the content I enjoy..
@@Rhukzy me personally I put aside an hour to two every day just herbing and mining. At the time I was also fishing a lot as well but fishing fell off fast when others started unlocking ice and lava fishing but herb and mining made me a killing with all the extra rousing essences
I tend to flip older expansion raw materials. That’s how I make the bulk of my gold. I buy tokens with gold to pay for my subscription since BFA. I would not spend time with current expansion stuff. The market is so saturated with raw goods. Hochenblume 8s/ea for example. The only decent money is through crafting orders (which I don’t do). Trying to flip dragonflight materials isn’t worth it imo. The region wide AH ruined this and bots now control the prices. I have a playlist of gold making tips on my channel if you’d like to see exactly what I do. Good luck out there
Im one of those pos that buys tokens… i know…im sorry... I really think the philosophy of blizzards game design is flawed at this point in a lot of ways. Thanks as always for the content big papi.
ye thats the reason i quit wow , its been a month or something , i feel nothing now its not giving me same vibes it used to give before , now days its just overly complicated stuff stats , simulations gold farm and other unnecessary sh*ts , real thing to join and play world of warcraft was to enjoy its freedom to explore lands , quests, meet with other players clear dungeons get some big bosses down , and feel rewarding doing it , now days ? its all about % iof dps increase from item which drops from M+ or raid , sim 1000x times for every piece for max dps and things , we wasting soo much time on other things and missing main point which was the reason to play this game , to have fun ! idk howmany nutcakes gonna dislike this and say "then just quit bro " but theres no fun simming for 5 hours for every new item drops , and give 50 hours to master your rotation exactly to maxout your dps and show off 5-10% diff all these overly complicated rotations things just killed the vibe for me
I love the WoW token. But yea it does feel a little exploitive.. like there's no reason why it needs to cost 1K gold to repair lol It's either implement the WoW token or ban revenue generating gold buyers
Thank you for this. As a returning player after a 4 year hiatus, I noticed the drop in gold profit quickly. I saw that leatherworking was nowhere near as profitiable now as it was in BfA, or prior expansions. I deduced after putting a few BoE's on the AH, that the bots and AH players were "on it", and I'd never make a dime. I was wanting to level all of my alts because each has a set of different professions, but the time sync - they're all level 50 - would greatly reduce my ability to gear up my main enough to be viable for keys or raiding. I even considered changing professions on my main, but why? With you highlighting the tanking of phials, which used to be one of the best gold sources, along with gems and enchants, it's not worth it. So, since I'm not in a hurry to get into competitive gaming, I'll just continue to enjoy the game, get what drops I can from LFR and world bosses, while working towards unlocking static flying in Dragonriders, and reassess after all of that. This is a beautiful expansion, which is why I returned, along with the fact that my favorite spec, BM, has gotten a lot of love. I'm having fun and getting the hang of dragonriding - I got the last of the glyphs yesterday - so I'm happy atm.
I left wow after world…came back season 1 of DF… and the wow tokens have been a godsend. I’m a husband, father, graduate, student, and professional bodybuilder… I have absolutely zero time to be farming, gold like I did back in the day collecting herbs in sholozar basin. Nor did I find anything about that experience fun looking back. I now have the ability to gear and play 8 different alts whereas that would have been absolutely impossible back then. If some people are either unable to buy the tokens find themselves enjoying the experience of the game. Greater farming, materials and building. Professions great for them. That is absolutely not the reason why I enjoy the game. And I will never miss that part of it it
I think it's more about stopping, or cutting off the gold sellers that were rampant in classic and BC! BC was overrun with farm bots, and near destroyed the auction house prices on EU servers (well, it did on mine...). Hell, I've been guilty of it myself in BC, loads of alts and riding costing months worth of farming, I caved and brought gold. Now, I don't have too! It's a good thing imo, and if people want to spend money because they don't have the time cus of RL (like myself) then go for it. Blizz gets richer, players get happier, raiders still get the best shit... win/win imho. Edit: Oh, I wouldn't pay for a boost or anything like it. No thank you. I buy shit off the AH like battle pets, toys and tmogs (cus I'm a nerd lol). :)
everybody wants to cope and pretend that people didnt illegally buy Gold from sellers between the eras of Vanilla to late MoP, but the fact is that people didnt give a titan damned bit about the ToS and were doing it anyways. this is why Blizzard ultimately decided to capitalize on this fact, as that meant profits for them, safety from accounts getting hacked visiting one of said sketchy websites and for those of us who play the game and have Gold in large amounts can turn our hard earned Gold into Gametime or Blizzard Balance, it's a win/win for all involved. BUT of course like "The Spice" in Dune, the Copium must flow... "the WoW Token is engorging the economy!" ... uh huh, sure pal... like Vanilla to Wrath didnt have an economy issue, that's why the AH would see Rare/Epic equipment for 10 to 100 Gold and Rare mats for 1 to 10 Gold a piece... no matter the economic state of the game, Hoarders will Hoard, Farmers will Farm and Boosters will Boost. that is simply the ugly UGLY truth, and it's time that people stopped coping and accepted it.
The real title of this video should be "The legendary is expensive and it's dumb to have to buy the mats for it" and I'd be 100% on board. But, as usual, the title is misleading and so is the content, either that, or we´re playing the game in very VERY different ways. I play PVE, pushing keys and raiding on 3 different characters, all of them with 2.5k+ io and AOTC (I know aotc is not a big deal, but that{s not the point) , I don't farm gold on any of them beyond the races because I like those. And I always make sure I have my high quality enchants and gems, I'm always repaired, and I always have my consumables (phials, potions, food and runes) and I have never felt the need to buy a wow token with IRL money, on the contrary I used to make money in game and trade it for game time, in the past I played like that for more than a year and ended up buying the dragonflight expansion doing the same thing. Now, I´ve not been lucky enough on my main to get the legendary, which is why I have not paid attention to how much the mats are going for, and I agree 100% that needing to buy the mats for a legendary weapon is annoying, and even dumb, why not make it a cool questline? why not make it a challenging piece of content where you need to learn how to take such a powerful weapon? why do I have to buy mats from people who are most likely botting in the first place?. But other than that, no, there's no REQUIREMENT for buying wow tokens
The real reason WoW token was introduced is because people will ALWAYS buy Chinese gold in MMO’s. It’s not a WoW problem, it’s in every single MMO. WoW token is an option for players to have an “official” way to buy gold so they don’t have to go through sketchy websites. That being said it will ALWAYS be cheaper to buy foreign gold, so many people think Blizzard is just trying to profit instead of address the root problem of gold selling.
When DF started I casually mined and gathered herbs along with doing quests, and I could earn wow token every 3, 4 days. That was really fun. Now only if you farm for hours for a month, you'll earn a token. And there's nothing wrong with that also. Times change, you just need to adapt.
Lmao, this just sounds like laziness and click bait, since complaining about micro transactions gets views. You are sad you have to put the work in for gold the same way you put in work for your "skill". People were buying gold long before the wow token. They just made it safer for people, like yourself , who just dont want to do anything for gold over run dungeons. You always had to make gold to play the game "well".
i like to make gold. i stopped in 2014 , i hated wod. in 2017 they said you could play for free with tokens. so now they said , if you haven't paid with cash, you can't buy tokens. i don't know what to do. playing wow for free for 7 years. is addictive, free gaming is fun. i am going to hate buying one month just to keep making tokens. i like making gold. but i am happy there is a token in wrath, much easier to make a token in wrath than retail.
I don't like the revamp of dragonflight professions, I feel like I'm playing a mobile game when I'm interested in professions, I hope Blizzard will watch your video and soften the current difficulty of professions because it is not interesting at the moment...
Every entertainment naodayz costs something. It can be playing wow with my frends and buying a token from time to time. Or we can go in to a pub and play 2 hours of pool and drink a few beers 😂. In the end as long as we are enjoying our selvz i think its worth it
The worst thing that happened to wow is the connected AH. The price of your thing you selling on AH in down in the drains. People might say well it is good with cheap mats on AH. But that is wrong. The end crafting product will be even lower. That is a sick economic that is in the game.
i think its the way of earning gold is boring. gathering profession is the most boring thing to do imo. and all crafting profession ultimately needs materials which price set by the market aka the botters. and not to mention the rare recipes are getting too expensive. they should just let consumables be farmable through m+ and pvp
I’ve been a mythic + booster since it was released in legion, honestly I tell everyone who’s decent at m+ just join a boosting community it’s easy gold and you fill your vault out at the same time
If you’re a legitimate crafter you can make enough gold in a few hours doing tips to pay for raiding for a month. If you’re broke in today’s WoW, you’re doing it wrong. The fact that tokens exist make it even easier.
5th. I think they like to ride that line where you can grind if you want to and you don't have to buy a token but I am like you and marcellian where I buy a token every few weeks for convenience
This is a really nice video and interesting topic. You can look this multiple ways. For me personally, I have a full time job. I can't be asked to make money in game if I don't want to. I dislike world quests. I don't mind spending (a bit over) 1 hours worth of working for in game gold which would require me days or weeks to play to aquire. Of course, I'm in a situation where that's possible. When I was younger I'd probably have the time to spend more time in game. Is WoW token healthy for the game? In my opinion, yes. Cause it's healthy for the game that there's different aspects of aquiring money. We nerds like to do M+ and raid. But we are only a portion of the game. We look like a majority, because we are the loudest and this is content which is the most interesting too watch. You can argue that it's bad that this is a system people feel nessecary to play the game, and I can get along with that. Personally I feel no pain here. I buy 2, maybe 3 tokens per expansion and I don't feel bad about it. To look vs pay to win, my opion is quite clear. Pay to win only gets you so far. You can't buy skill. You even progress worse if you buy your way up to a certain gear score, cause you'll never learn to play. So no, I wouldn't call it pay to win. People feel better when they buy gear or boosts, but they're still bad at the game and don't gain any personal achievement. At the end of the day, it's how you want to play the game and there's no real wrong or right. It's just how you value what you get versus how much you spend.
calling it not pay to win and using a set example assuming that buying gear is only possible for unskilled players is hardly an argument. if you took 2 players of equal skill level, and one is given wow tokens and the other isnt, the answer is extremely clear cut. people are not simply buying gear "to feel good", theyre buying gear to achieve things easier than those who arent
The real reason WoW token was introduced is because people will ALWAYS buy Chinese gold in MMO’s. It’s not a WoW problem, it’s in every single MMO. WoW token is an option for players to have an “official” way to buy gold so they don’t have to go through sketchy websites. That being said it will ALWAYS be cheaper to buy foreign gold, so many people think Blizzard is just trying to profit instead of address the root problem of gold selling.
@@DUHVlNE You make a good point. In your example the skilled person will have an adventage when buying gear. But that person isn't skilled because of buying that gear. It's merely a shortcut in the game. In my point of view it's not that pay to win, because I feel you don't get an advantage compared to other players. If someone else gets lets say 3200 IO score, that doesn't mean something to me. It doesn't give you any sort of status and it's all gonna be gone in the next season. Numbers are only to please the people who want to have them. Of course you can argue that is exactly what pay to win is. In my experience people who really want to push themselves, exceed the level where you can benefit from pay to win.
"you cannot buy skill" . that is essentially true, however you would be surprised how many people buy carries in 25-26 keys, and I'm not talking about bad players "getting carried", I'm actually talking about boost runs. You could say well, no harm, no foul? Well, not really. I meet people who get invited to higher content because "ugh timed a 25 / 2-3x 25 keys", but if you check the IO of the player you can see the person got 20-21s done, then suddenly multiple 25 appear with "anon" players. And these people are not alone. The only issue starts when these people start to swarm those higher keys and people will take them (rightfully - after all they timed a 25 key?). Naturally if they are really bad it will show itself, but believe me there are always 1-2 groups which will carry these people resulting in getting more and more score. All in all I do agree with most of what you said, but I see the dark side of tokens too.
It's not Pay 2 Win IMO. P2W means that there is a item, in the shop, that you can buy directly with money, that gives you a real advantage in the game. Buying BOE's or carries with gold bought with money is not P2W because youy can farm gold in the game and do the same. And gold is easy enough to farm as it is.
I really think the problem is how people use the auction house. It really bothers me when I put some items for a price of, let's say 500g and 2 min later someone sets the price 20g down , and after this, come another one and set it 10g down. After a few mins you have 20000 items in front of yours, 200g or more, down. So if you want to sell anything, you have to go for the laughable price. I don't get why people think is better to sell low and fast, instead of wait a little and all get the same good amount of gold. At the end we get so little money that is not worthy to craft or sell anything.
So is buying BOEs on the AH with gold purchased with real money delegitimizing the experience of raiding with a guild. So is monopolizing the market with bots and addons to snipe and cancel auctions delegitimizing people's earnestness in grinding their professions or materials from gathering. So we pick whichever one is more convenient for us and scrutinize the rest? :D
@@MarcelianOnline To a certain point I think. Buying BoEs to have good gear to perform better in your prog raid is different from someone who buys most of their keys to get better gear, thinking it will make them a better player. Then the next week that player has a +20 that they put and spend the entire key on the floor because they don't know the mechanics having not progressed through the levels. I never understand the goal of these players, they will have better gear but no better understanding of the content they are running, so what's the point?
It sounds like we're framing it from a slightly different lens. Buying BOEs is essentially pay-to-skip the gearing process. Which we all know is inconsequential to a person's ability to complete difficult content without being carried. Monopolizing the market is a learned skill as well, in a way. My issue with the token is that boosting allows unskilled players to earn the same rewards and achievements in a fraction of the effort and time through paid carries. The AOTC mount or pvp rival set or KSM mount all feel a little vapid knowing someone completely new to the game can do nothing and earn the same reward. The boosted player won't be able to compete at a high level but it does delegitimize the sense of accomplishment from those achievements. Which I believe a sense of accomplishment is critical to the experience of an RPG. Secondly, the token puts a real world currency on the time you spend in-game gold farming. Which I agree with your video. If the in-game economy is pushing you toward buying a token by then that creates an economy where time spent becomes a currency rather than something to be enjoyed. I hope that makes sense in where I'm coming from. @@MarcelianOnline
As a latin player, the wow token was an absolute godsend for me. Blizz doesn't have regional pricing on my country of birth, so even buying game time was a pain, you could find 3rd party sellers but those were always risky and heavily overpriced, that plus credit cards being heavily regulated to the point where you can't use them to pay in foreign currencies made it a struggle everytime I had to resub. For a while I had to rely on guildmates in other countries where I'd give them the gold and hope for them to be real bros and to gift me game time (thanks to everyone who helped me, you guys are the best) Now, when the token was introduced it meant that instead of having to rely on someone else, I could just go to the AH and get some game time, and at least in the beginning, it was WAY cheaper than what everyone was charging for it. There was a long period of time where I'd pay for my sub and my expansions just by playing. Now that I moved to another country and my economic situation improved as I got older and started getting better jobs, I don't feel the need to buy a wow token to get gold, although, that might change if I ever get the leggo
the current system is still an extreme improvement from the shadowlands legendary system that was incredibly predatory with gold considering a relevant ilvl piece costed a full token and often times raid M+ and arena all had different legendaries. I dont really care if Fyralath is a big gold sink, I do a few key boosts a month to pay for my sub/next xpac and then if i need gold for anything I do a few more otherwise I just have fun and enjoy playing it like its a free game. At least the P2W aspect is as much abusable on the f2p side and if you want the things without spending money other people have to spend more money for you to get it free and I think thats fine. Its there if you want it and you can completely ignore it as well.
18 million gold never bought a token. haven't paid for game time in years. No professions, no WQ, no spamming mindless content. Just sell carries for gold. EZ gold
wow professions suffer from the same problem irl jobs do. If job A is underperforming and job b is making profit, then most of the people will jump from a to b. People were buying gold before the wow token so it only makes sense blizz would do something to get a cut of the pie. Increasing the money you make doing raids and M+ will band aid the problem for a while until the price goes up on raid tier items. As goblins say "Can I interest you on a payment plan?"
I remember similar things happening in classic, specifically in the highest level of play. If you wanted to rank with the best premades, you needed all the consumes. Of course there simply wasn't enough time to farm for those consumes and devout as much time as you wanted to pvp, so a lot of players bought gold. Ultimately, I think this is a complex issue. I do believe the gold required for general upkeep of activities is meant to make it impossible to constantly perform at the highest level. If you want to get around this design barrier, you must pay in some way. Is this a good game design? In other genres of gaming I would say no, but a large part of the MMO model is prep, and WoW has always included large time investments in their idea of prep.
I can sympathize but at the same time, I just can’t grasp people’s expenses. I raid on one character, push keys with two and do arenas with 4 others. I only do the WQ twice a week with one character snipe the occasional work order. Yet, my account continues to grow. It’s not as fast as before, but it has a steady upwards trajectory. I’m not a fan of the WoW token, but we’re at a state where it is unfortunately keeping a lot of people still playing because generating gold in game is too tedious for them.
You can sell heroic / normal raid carries. Lots of guilds do this and it’s legitimate as long as you’re only accepting gold from them. Requires some communication and setup but it could be something you do since you primarily want to simply raid.
Only the name is legendary, see it on 2k IO player while some struggle to get it at 3k3... It's just a bit of luck and 35 to 70€ (depending on time you get it) fixed to your back...
@@MarcelianOnline Yeah it's bis for evryone that can use it sure, but only pal become meta (not because of this axe) I mean legendary for rarity, i see too many low IO player with it cause they get lucky, and some high ranked player still without it. For me should drop at evry Mythic kill and that's enough, otherwise it's not "legendary" Guess blizzard just want to make money on that too... (Many token buyers to craft the axe)
I haven't paid for anything WoW related because I use the gold to pay for my sub and everything else. Also how much are you spending in raids and mplus?
@@MarcelianOnline understandable, I essentially make my gold with around 3.4 mil US and buy tokens in order to pay for my sub and buy services if I want something like a race change
For Alchemy... atleast for me... I have 2 alch char just crafting Dracothyst... and I buy glowspores from AH and still im netting around 1k gold per Dracothyst sold
lol. ON my realm in EU buying mats nets you in a loss when u wanna craft dracos actually. 2.2k on AH for 1 draco and 2.6k gold for the raw mats lmao. Farming them is nearly impossible due to brutal bot overflow in caverns and other zones. These days the bots even have some sort of a script that auto reports player that come close to them
@@MarcelianOnline not even close to maxxed out. Literally just made it to create my own dracos last season and this time rn it isnt worth anymore, not even worth to farm it bcs its literally impossible on my realm
Boosting leads to 483 Ilvl hunters spamming +11 keys doing 50k dps and ignoring all mechanics. I’m not hating, but it is annoying the product it produces.
@@MarcelianOnline I agree and I’m will not say you shouldn’t, especially since the new wow economy is geared towards keeping you broke or barely even to force token sales. I respect the hustle and it’s easy to avoid. Tokens are the real goblin that is getting harder to avoid.
I'm buying 4-5 wow tokens / month. I really don't care about people opinions. They all can do the same. What is the problem? I have a good job and I can afford to spent money for my hobby. I don't have time for 10h/day grind. I give Blizzard some money, and they give me in return gold. That gold I'm using for raiding, buying all BoE BiS and other stuff. I really don't care what others say. Get a job and you could afford Longboi for 9mln. Easy.
What an entitled perspective. Not everyone can afford it, on top of the monthly sub. Also, it's bad practice. It's designed to milk you, and you have fallen for it. P2w is a cancer, and people like you are feeding it.
And blizz loves you for that but again its your choice at the end of the day. Its wild though that you paying a monthly subscription to then also buy stuff to play less 😂
