Pete - I really appreciate you showing the face strike patterns. For most of us, who do not routinely hit the middle of the face, knowing a club performs well off center is a HUGE advantage.
This, along with most driver reviews over the last two years, does really leave you wondering what the next great development is going to be. TaylorMade have clearly tried to differentiate with the Carbon faced Stealth but it does feel like we have hit somewhat of a ceiling when it comes to drivers. I wonder if manufacturers have kind of accepted this and it will be with woods and hybrids that we see the really interesting concepts, especially as courses get longer and your average golfer needs more help for approach shots. Thanks for a helpful and genuine review!
I thought the same thing. The technology going into many clubs in golf looks like it’s reached its peak. Makes me think in a few years I can buy a driver or irons from the last 3 years that perform the same as what can come in the next 5 years.
This is really interesting. I bought the tsr3 thinking it would really create that extra ball speed for a little more distance, it made absolutely no difference in the yardage. My shots were also missing the center towards the heel. My TSI3 had a kuro kage 50g so I went with the hzrdous cb 50g, the TSR3 launched way lower than my TSI3. Which made me notice the weight on the TSR3 was slights heavier. Reduced the grams and ball strike got centered, launch came back and same with the carry. The only difference is of centered strikes on the TSR3 are slightly better, and (thats all).
These new launches are primarily a sales/marketing story. Given USGA equipment limits, no OEM is going to provide a massive jump in club performance over previous generations. Where someone might see benefits is how much a club can maintain consistent performance in off center strikes. I’d love to see that comparison in the hands of a mid-handicapper that hits driver all over the club face- like me. 😂
Thank you Pete for continuing to do these reviews… some of the other RU-vidrs have gotten too big to remember that this content really matters to us viewers, but I appreciate you allowing us to experience the latest technology without breaking the bank!
I find it funny that the results were that almost no differences at all for the last 5 years. That is pretty telling when you consider all the manuf claims of forgiveness increases, ball speed, spin, etc and all of them were basically the same.
Club manufacturers have been duping the general public for decades. Only elite golfers really can see/feel differences in their game when switching clubs.
@@tonypapas9854 Pete actually did mention that he did analyze the across the face, mishits and not center-of the face hits and it had no difference in data, model to model, as to which was better. All pretty much the same. That being said, yeah, it's the Indian, not the arrow analogy applies. Getting fit is key more so than that actual new driver working better than the previous one in this case.
Performance out of the middle is going to be almost the same, with every brand.... the stability and spin conditions on mishits on the Tsr are crazy good. A heel strike that should be spinning at 3k is spinning at 2300. Crazy good.
Great review and comparison. After getting fitted into TSi2 in May 2021 the thing I’ve been most impressed with is consistency across the face. My strike is a lot more consistent which I attribute to loving the Tensei blue 55s shaft, but the head definitely forgives toe and heel strikes a lot more than anything else I tried. Would love to see you, Rick, Matt and Andy play a round all using the same driver.
I think something more to focus on is the performance of the stock x-flex shafts in each release. The new Tensei Black 1k is the best non-premium shaft I've used, paired with the TSr head, it feels amazing off the shelf for a regular golfer
I love my Tensei white X-stiff. It’s just the stock shaft that came with the tsi3, but I like it better than other aftermarket shafts I have. I’ve played a Diamana blue board X-stiff in my last 5 drivers until I got this tensei. It feels softer but still keeps the ball from going left (hooking) or over spinning. 👌
Wow, very surprised. Felt that TSi was fairly straight and long when I tested it but 5 years later I still have the TS3 in the bag and it will be staying for some time. Just can’t justify the 600£ for new shinny driver than I just need to ensure to hit the fairway with my old one
Interesting test. Kind of confirms that the "rebound effect" was maxed out some years ago for distance purposes. Now they have to work on ways to improve spin rate and forgiveness, and currently it appears that there is little improvement there either. I'm keeping my 2017 M1.
As it has been said a lot in recent years, it appears drivers have hit their cap with regards to distance taking in consideration ball and club face regulations. It’s all about accuracy now. As great as Titelest drivers have been the last few years, you can’t help but notice no one is raving about forgiveness with these drivers.
Titleist makes players clubs. I don't see higher handicap players playing with Titleist clubs. Why? Because that's not who they are made for. As a lower index player, there is no other driver I would rather play because it's superior in multiple categories.
We hit the ceiling for drivers years ago. It boils down to 3 factors. Ball speed, launch angle, and spin rate period. There is no magic club or magic technology, not twist face, jailbreak, carbon this and that etc... Its all marketing hype to move product. If a player wants to increase distance then you need to optimize the 3 factors, once you’re at the redline you’re not going any further. Now there’s nothing wrong with wanting a newer model for something to look at, but the gains are minimal to none.
Late to the party but tested the TSR3 today and put an order in for it, and surprisingly my current club is the TSi3. I 100% agree with your review, middled hits saw literally no difference, im a 6hc player that has some pretty random strike patterns sometimes which drop my drives from an average of 260 yards carry to as low as 240 and below. I was able to replicate those off centre hits in testing with both the TSi3 and the TSR3 and found that the TSR3 definitely kept up better with middled hits. Ave middle hit for me with 102mph swing speed is 261 yards with both clubs (within 1 yards deviation), average off centre was 242 with TSi and 256 with TSR. Of course i cant 100% replicate exact hits but none of my off centre hits with the TSR dropped below 250.
Titleist just always knows how to make a beautiful club. Biggest takeaway is Golf Manufactuers have maxed equipment long ago. Just buy something used and save your money for lessons.
I've ordered mine to replace my TSI3.. If it gives me more room to wander around the face that's good enough because I love my TSI3 with the ventus red shaft..Another reason I'm buying it is they haven't changed sure fit hozzel so my $350 shaft slips right in..
Great video, and confirms a lot of what many of the 'not needing the latest and greatest' often feel. People also seem to forget that once some of the modern indoor launch monitors see that initial snapshot of what's happening to the ball...spin, launch, axis, speed etc, it then calculates and simulates what it believes would be the expected outcome. So if the performance numbers are pretty darned much the same, then the outcome it's using to calculate and simulate results in the pretty much the same statistics. As sweetspots on clubs have got bigger and bigger since the old 2003 Cobra SS and SZ 'claimed 9 sweet spots, or sweet zones', then the balls behaviour across the face has also been more consistent and so has the resultant outcome on the LM. It will never be perfect, but neither will the average player and hence we're now at a position where looks, sound, visual shape are the performance placebo to the mind of those easily led towards owning the latest and greatest, which is actually very much the same. Great video....
But this is a great sales point. The G425 was never the longest driver, even compared to the TS3 or TsI3 but it was consistent through much of the face. What you have now is a driver that is as good distance wise as the Ts3 or TsI3 but now with the forgiveness of the G425. It is a big deal because most of us 'regular' golfers square one up maybe three times a round. The rest are heel shots, toe shots or too high and too low on the face. Or all of the above. This is the biggest difference between the older generation of drivers and the new ones. You really can't make them go much farther without making them non conforming. So making them easier to hit while making them just as long is going to be a big selling point.
Just went for a fitting at a Golf Galaxy in Houston, Texas. Tried TSR2 in multiple shafts against my gamer TS2. No discernible difference in performance. Disappointed? Yes! But I preserved a lot of cash by not walking out with a new driver, on a positive side of things.
Love the review. Shows that technology will improve mishits but does does give you true added distance. These drivers are the best looking drivers available today. Just a stunning look.
Awesome video - does TS and TSI have a drop of performance higher than the TSR when hit off center ? I feel you are highlighting the TSR forgiveness but you don't compare it with the other driver
I let my friend’s 22 year old son hit my TS3. He skied it and left a irritating scratch on the upper face/crown. In my 45 years of golfing this was my favorite driver long (enough,) forgiving (enough,) and I hardly missed a fairway. Just so confidence inspiring at address. At 67, I was recording 112 carrying 270+ with a Diamana DF 60S shaft. 68, almost died from pneumonia. Today at 69 I can barely get 100 mph carrying 220-240. I try not to get excited about new drivers promising more distance anymore but a 6S shaft may be too much for me now. And that ugly scratch- luckily my old eyes blur the hideousness. Tour AD UB 50S is the shaft I decided on. Now watching your testing it seems the old TS is holding up well against the TSR and I really loved the head of the TS3. So I’m gonna save some money and get a pristine used TS3 for ¥30,000 with a DI5S and save against a new TSR3 with UB5S for ¥90,000. (£180, £540) I just hope my swing speed would reflect similar results. You really got you speed up there, Pete.
Pete- what happened to the (P.F.P.R.) Peter Finch Power Rankings? I really enjoyed how you put that together and it gave so much detail on how it was hitting it.
Great review Pete and thank you. Not really in the market but still enjoy the information. And as we usually find out, the performance improvements from year to year is so marginally fractional, the answer to the question is usually the same. Nope, don't need it.
Pretty happy with the TS3 I bought 6 months ago for $120 usd. Seems like getting the right shaft weight&flex is 90% of the distance and accuracy challenge. The rest is just choosing your favourite brand.
Thanks Pete. Really enjoyed the video. I went for a driver fitting at Titleist and found TSR3 to be amazing. Extremely fast and forgiving - you confirmed it. Do you think the TSI3 is also forgiving? Not sure if you have already done heel strike test with the TSI3 as well. thanks again.
You really nailed down Titleist issue. Their clubs are not advancing if you are looking for distance gains. If you own a TS series don't waste your money all clubs since are really the same. I have the Tsi3 and love it mainly for look, feel and sound. I hit the SIM further. No reason to plunk down more cash for same results. In fact, you'll get more results messing with the shaft. Good review Pete.
The issue is not exclusive to Titliest. This video does however lean towards the fact that the manufacturers are able to ensure peformance is consistent, despite strike pattern.
@@keithneilson6236 The issue is certainly not exclusive to Titleist. Fact remains that if you purchased a driver in the last 6 years you will not see meaningful changes in distance, control, accuracy with these new heads. SAVE YOUR MONEY or use it more wisely. Getting fitted with the right driver shaft and the right balls will have a bigger impact and money is much better served on those and some new wedges than a new driver. At 48, I’m a 5 handicap. I am much shorter off the tee than ever but have picked up ALL my strokes around the green. If golfers can improve chipping and putting they will drop scores faster than hitting more fairways and or being longer in them. 10000% . BTW…..Titleist has always been good with miss hit drives.
Geez I thought you said you appreciated the fitting center because you wouldn't find Americans there and I was like daaaaaaannnng Pete we like your channel 😂. Top notch video as always 👍
The interesting thing is that the TSr2 and TSr4 have a more forgiving face design for off-center hits. the TSr3 has that round hot spot right in the center for "springier" shots for those who consistently hit the center.
Finally a golf RU-vidr that isn’t completely full of shit about the “new” drivers. There hasn’t been a difference of more than a couple yards for any driver from any brand over the past 5 years but all of these RU-vidrs lie about massive yardage gains and ball speed gains. So thank you Pete for being an honest RU-vid golfer
My TSI3 - Graphite design IZx6 is the best driver I’ve ever gamed. It’s so fkn good. I’m excited to hit the TSR3. But it’s hard to think it can beat tsi3 for someone like myself.
good video PF. I was hoping someone would test all 3 generations against each other. I play the TS3, and am very very happy with it. The Tsi and TsR models are nice but I don't like the TSi or TsR logo on the crown. I prefer the triangle. 🔺 LOL I'm fussy. 😂 I have hit the tsi3, and I would say the TS3 felt better as well. I didn't think there would be much difference in the 3 generations of the TS drivers. I have a TS4 as well. It also is very good. But I hit the TS3 straight as an arrow, so it gets more play than the TS4
I forgot to add... the shaft you use plays an important factor in overall performance. If you are in the wrong shaft, even a great head won't perform the best for you. So make sure you spend lots of time trying shafts, or use one you know works for you. I am using an old original Aldilla NV 75 xs shaft in my gamer TS3. I have a Ventus black 7x also ..but the Aldilla NV seems to perform better overall... so it's not going anywhere.
Thanks for the video. Much like the other reviews the TSR is average and we can save $300 and buy the original TS. update: Titleist stole the inverted cone technology from Tayormade. lol
Drivers have almost maxed out potential. When a company says this the longest driver it’s in reference to off center hits which is important to ams. If you can miss it anywhere on the face and still get the same yardage as a centered shot that is important. And this is what manufactures are working on
Quite a few videos released today on these Drivers and as usual Pete your video was the best and most informative. I really like it when all youtubers compare the new release Drivers against the predecessors.
I swing a TS2 as my gamer and went for a fitting yesterday for the TSR2. Hit my TS2 better. Even changed the shaft from my gamer to the new head to see if the head gave me any extra. No noticable improvement. Happy to say the fitting confirmed the TS2 can stay in the bag.
great video , looking for forgiving driver, hope to get fitted next week, tried Mizuno six 220, nice but not great, any rec on a forgiving Titliest model? thanks
Pete. What were your figures for off centre strikes with ts3 and tsi3. Surely you need to gives us these as well so we can compare this to off centre tsr3 otherwise we are saying wow but compared to what? How much drop off would you see from ts3 and tsi3 by comparison? Great content these days but would of liked this reference point. Otherwise no point trading my ts3 which copes well with my largely off centre strikes 😂
Just my personal opinion but Titliest driver feel is unmatched. If you strike it out the middle its something to behold. I've gamed them since the 983 and they are just so solid. I've played others over the years but it's unmatched. The other thing that's overlooked is, in particular with the tsi3 or tsr3 is the sheer scale of adjustments that can be made. It's also far greater than others for lie, loft and balance. So definitely try one, dont go off the shelf and I'd find a Titliest centre too, not a retail giant that dont know what they are handling. It means there is one for you more than most.
I went from titleist to cobra a few years ago and it was a mistake. Nothing on cobra because I wasn't fitted and I bought the wrong one, but I had missed the titleist driver every time I used the cobra. I then went and got fitted and the Callaway triple diamond ls was easily the best club for me
I just can't imagine anything will be more forgiving and hotter than the LTDx. But this is a nice driver from Titleist. Once again everything depends on a fitting and shaft for optimization.
All modern drivers are a variation on a common theme they cannot go further the golf ruling bodies won't let them. I have not found anything more forgiving or longer than my TS2. Every other driver I try performs about the same just doesn't look as good and isn't as well made as a Titleist.
@@mikepxg6406 I agree. Key is a good fit. If the shaft isn't right u won't be optimized. But if fit properly everything will be close and comes down to feel and sound.
I love when you, Fryer, Carter and/or Rick line up with the same video dropping on the same day and seeing how you each differ in delivering the review of the clubs when the companies finally let you.
I still cannot believe how golf companies have duped the masses to think drivers are any better than even 8-10yrs ago. It's actually mind boggling. A better fitting( possibly) shaft is all you're buying nowadays. Come on people, use that thing on your shoulders.
TSR might be a driver to give my G425MAX a run for the money. While the Ping is not the longest of anything on the market it is long enough and it happens to be the most forgiving and accurate. I love that TSR3 look. It is stunning. Thanks for another fantastic review.
We go through this every year. Theres no way for any manufacturer to make a driver hit any further because they are only allowed a max ball speed to be legal. So all the drivers out there basically the same for distance. The only differences come from looks, feel, sound and dispersion.
