I would have liked to see odo hand quark a weapon and tell him. “ just be mindful that your pointing it a Klingon Quark, oh make sure your still alive so you can return it to me”. Quark nods and says “ Thanks odo, I didn’t know you cared” odo responds, “ I don’t but since your the only bar on this station we can’t let the Klingons destroy the entertainment, now can we”. Quark nods again before going into his bar and locking the door.
"An illusion created by thoron fields and duranium shadows." I've always loved that line because it's basically the same line muttered in the first episode by the Cardassian officer as they try to decide whether or not to attack the station. Great call back.
and how would General Martok of all people know about thoron fields and duranium shadows? that's not something a Klingon is likely to know, unless Martok isnt who he appears to be.
@@deadponic117Klingons may be great warriors, but only a fool would underestimate their technical proficiency. It's just that Federation engineers make everyone else look like babies with toy hammers and wrenches. Even the Dominion admires their skill, if Keevan's opinion in Rocks and Shoals is any indicator.
@@deadponic117 Martok was one of the few highly-intelligent Klingons who wasn't interested in a comfy council position. I would believe that line coming from him much more than I would someone like Kurn
@@Zezlemetkun (me speaking in a Dalek Scientist voice): "OF COURSE........ PERHAPS WE COULD ALWAYS LOAN HIM SOME OF OUR SUPERIOR DALEK FIREPOWER, UNLESS IF IT'S TOO MUCH TO ASK!"
While its quite obvious that Dukat despises Garak with every fiber of his being, but at the same time, its also quite clear that Dukat is well aware of Garak's capabilities. Notice how he didn't even try to argue when Garak took his place at Dukat's side? All he did was make a snide comment about Garak's duplicity, but he still accepted the help.
To be fair, both are from the military, one being from the actual hierarchy and the other the secret police. Having no tension about that would ruin their stories lol
Because he knows he got Dukat cornered, both literally and figuratively. Dukat knew he had no choice but to let Garak help him as he could use EVERY single Cardassian he could get.
“I’ll try to keep that in mind.” “…Garak, why are you looking at me like, you look utterly insane.” “Oh, don’t mind me, I’m just practicing my Gowron impression. I was considering the possibility I’d be able to get the honorable Chancellor’s opinion on it. What do you think?” “…I think Chancellor Gowron will find you as insufferable as I do, right now.” “Why, thank you. I was just thinking the same thing…”
Poor Dukat, I was rooting for him during that episode cause we love a character that can find redemption. He did his duty but lost everything so he turned to the Dominion. Garak was up there with him.
And when the Dominion abandoned him he turned to the Pah Wraiths. Dukat sold himself to whoever he thought would give him power and glory. He gave away so much, by the time he died there was almost nothing left of the man he was.
@@TheMrPeteChanneland this is where the creators and writers all, starting with G Roddenberry himself, inspired by our real world lives to create brilliant metaphorical sci-fi stories, reflect ourselves back to us to hopefully make us all think of what we as humanity presently are and the greater we could yet become - IF we desire to be better as a species and work hard enough towards creating a brighter world.✌🏾
Read the book many years ago, and loved it, it was the only Star Trek book I ever read up till recently(just started the first book in New Frontier Series, good so far). It's a shame Star Trek books aren't considered canon unless stated otherwise, because it's a great prequel.
I've always thought of it as: if the person just starts speaking another language (from what they were originally speaking), then the universal translator will assume they did it for a reason and not translate it. That, plus not translating certain insults/curses, and looking out for specific phrases that indicate a word or phrase shouldn't be translated, is what leads to how we see the universal translator work.
Odo and Quark... Every single word they ever exchanged is legendary. To me it is the most legendary frenemy storyline and rivalry in history of Star Trek. They hated each other's guts, but both knew they wouldn't be complete without the other.
ODO: Now, if I remember correctly, the Orion Syndicate has a membership fee. Quite a substantial one. And the Ferengi Commerce Authority did seize all your assets. Oh it's even worse than that, isn't it? You never could afford to join, could you? All those years of scheming and lying and cheating and you're still too small-time for the Orions. Well, I guess you're not as successful a businessman as you think you are. QUARK: Which means you've spent the last ten years of your life trying to catch a nobody. Without little success, I might add. So you tell me, which one of us is the bigger failure?
@@peteranon8455 My point exactly. If Odo ever managed to get rid of Quark from DS9, I am not exactly sure he would know what exactly to do with his life anymore.
I didn't notice that until now either. In addition, Garak should have addedat the end, "So long as you do the same." Say what you want about the differences between them and the hatred they had for each other. But they both loved their homeworld and were willing to defend it and fight for it.
2:52: I love team-ups between people who hate each other but nonetheless turn out to work well together. You'd be surprised how often this happens in real life.
wish once Bashir's genetic engineering had come to light we got to see some physicality out of him with increased reflexes and hand to hand combat (and maybe even phaser accuracy)
Quark: "I'll kill him!" Odo: "With what?" 2 days later Rom is found dead, killed by a replicator. Odo ponders the suspect list. 3:01 Robert Downey jr. walks in, points at Worf and says "That man is playing Galaga!"
4:45 I need someone to explain why the universal translator doesn’t know one of the most famous Klingon sayings. The answer can’t be “to give the scene a better ending”… though that rack focus from Sisko to Worf to Sisko is pretty epic.
To give the scene a better ending. There’s no canon reason for why the translator occasionally doesn’t work other than the writers want it to for some reason.
@@ricflairsayswoo5894 Easily explained: Worf knew the Klingons were never going to back down and predicted this translation statement to come out from Gowron. Therefore, he disabled the UT for the phrase so he could manually translate it for the rest of the crew.
@@dannywhite648this is a great explanation if true, it would also explain all the times Klingons are talking to each other and this same thing happens. As Donna Noble would say in this situation - Veni, vidi, vici.
Gowron laughs "You are like a toothless old Grishnar cat, trying to frighten us with your roar" Sisko "I can assure you this old cat may not be as toothless as you think"
Nathan Alderson 4 months ago [in a Dalek voice] "That is a tough one. Except we Daleks do not die that easily! Our enemies shall be TOTALLY AND UTTERLY EXTERMINATED!!! EXTERMINATED!!! EXTERMINATED!!! EXTERMINATED!!! EXTERMINATED!!!"
what amazed me is that (the changeling) Martok didn't think for one second that the station wouldn't have upgraded its weapons substantially from the destruction of the Odyssey, to this battle (just over a year)
What amazed me is that nobody, even people who knew Martok for a very long time, which is basically all of the main characters, especially Worf, failed to notice that this Martok has both of his eyes open, while real Martok had only one.
@@miroslavtomic7038 Martok lost his eye during the time he was held by the Dominion while the Changeling impersonator here pretended to be him. No one knew where he even was until AFTER the Changeling impersonating him was exposed by Odo and killed. He was assumed dead having been killed by the Dominion until Garak, Worf and Bashir were also taken captive by the Dominion and found themselves in that same internment camp. It was then that they saw he was missing an eye that was gouged out in a fight with a Jem'Hadar soldier.
@@Excalibur01 right .... bcuz the Dominion discovered that the Federation NOR the Klingons were going to be complicit with the Dominion way. but I still can't believe that the Dominion wouldn't think the Federation would upgrade the station at the AQ end of the wormhole connecting their quadrants ... after what they did to the Odyssey a year (plus) prior.
This is no where close to those events, while they were very inconsistent about when Bashir was supposed to have been replaced, it was most certainly not a season and a half before the reveal... There are a lot of Bashir centric episodes between these two which make no sense if he was already replaced...
Benjamin himself went to Earth after what happened to the Odyssey to get the station upgrades top-level prioritized. along with bringing the Defiant out of the mothballs of the McKinley Station shipyards. he probably convinced them to bring a whole squad from the Starfleet Corps of Engineers out to do so.
Worf took all of this harder than anyone as he always respected Gowron and saw him as a father figure his entire life. It was difficult enough for him having to battle such a man, let alone hearing words like that coming from him.
@@andrewblanchard2398 well most races Only use disrupters they only kill they can't be modularted or change frequency for scientific purpose or have also they stun people by "disableing" them which is harsher than a stun
Odo may well play mind-games with the Klingons in this: including turning himself into fog just to make himself hard to kill! As well as really messing up the invasion by fowling up line of sight in the battle.
The chat between Dukat and Garak no doubt did happen *all over* the Eastern Bloc in its history about types of service and outmaneuvering oneanother for games of political one-ups-man-ship regarding positions of say in governance. Ironic that in the prime example thereof: to be named to the Secretary General's inner circle was a *death-sentence*, yet only a question of "When?" at that: it stands to reason that they'd have learned to keep their heads *down* and to avoid drawing attention to themselves; what with a profoundly paranoid head of state to fear. And ironically, in their case: it'd be actually safer to have to take out an entire *Panther Division* with only a loaded *pistol* than to receive a "Hero of the Soviet Union" medal from the Secretary General himself!
I can see it now. Season 1, just after sisko gets back out of the wormhole for the first time towing dukat. “So miles/major how did you survive 3 those cardassian ships?”. Response: we bluffed their sensors to think we had 5000torpedoes, full phasers and generator upgrades. Sisko, taking notes “thank you for the starting point for the shopping list, the first requisition in case of emergencies has just been filed with federation procurement, do let me know if you can think of anything else”. A few years later we get this scene.
Robert O'Reilly, who played Gowron, was well known among Star Trek cast, crew and fans for messing up his lines as he found it difficult to speak clearly while wearing Gowron's mask. Therefore, they almost always simply ended up using the take in which he said his lines the best.
i think what makes ds9 my favourite trek is that its scale is just right. when tng had battles it was common it was just 16 people, when new trek has battles its 1 million cgi effects smashing into eachother. but for ds9 its like 50 people total and a special effects team working hard, end result is a believable battle scale and the perfect amount of star trek cheesyness
-You can scan the station. -Hm, damn, he`s right -It`s a trick! -Yes, that`s what I thought, thanks, those scans are so useless and never tell us if it`s a trick
>Spoiler warning, for those yet unaware< Keep in mind this was the Changeling impersonator talking, so he might've been trying to just goad Gowron to attack anyway, knowing the bloodthirsty maniac would use any excuse to just keep pushing his own agenda. Other klingons probably would've been reasonable enough to accept the scans were right, SPECIALLY the real Martok.
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 I think it's *meant* to look weird. Look at the way "Martok" fumbles his words when he's saying this is a trick, like he's coming up with this excuse on the fly. Maybe a foreshadowing of future events?
If the scans revealed nothing or were blocked, they'd know it was a bluff. If they showed the weapons, they might or might not be real. In any case, good tactical information to have.
It's so ridiculous to see Gul Dukhat become a central character in the final episode. He was better as a foil. the real battle between the Federation and Dominion was the real meat of the DS9 story. It's ironic that both DS9 and Babylon 5 built themselves on war only to have a weak conclusion.
B5 was kinda screwed by the network. They didnt confirm until the last minute that it would get its planned final season, so the writer rushed through the Earth Civil War arc to make sure it was finished for the fans. That arc was meant to be most of the final season, though I think the very last couple of episoes were always going to be what they were.
I disagree about Dukat. He was there at the beginning of the series, before the Dominion. He was a key driver of major events. His character's relationship to the rest of the cast evolved with the changing flow of the series. And his death at the end was the culmination of his character arc. Having sold everything he valued and believed in for his own glory, he ended as an empty puppet.
*That* IS a business problem; Quark; seeing as you as Rom's boss failed to provide sufficient spare parts for your work crews; you worked yourself over as manager in your business regarding safety.
I honestly have to say DS9 was my favorite Star Trek. It was so different than the others being centered around one place versus one ship thats all over the place. I think Sisko is my favorite Captain as well. Avery Brooks was damn good and he had that booming voice that when it came time to loudly proclaim what is and what ain't, his voice is HEARD.
One thing I do not get about the view screens is they can translate languages in real time, we've seen first contacts with another spacefaring spices where both sides communicate and can understand each other. So why does the view screen not translate some things in klinon?
Gowron's kind of foolish in his terms of insult: Ben Sisko's people are really very well-versed in handling big cats; this's not bigotry at all; and he himself lets slip he's *very* into studying the history of his ethnic group. While I heartily agree with him acting as a real man in several ways; he also should remember in his chats on the events in Las Vegas in 1950s AD USA that it was a whole lot better for his ethnic group than say *1850s AD New Orleans*, there they owned *nothing*, and as his own father would stress to him: they *were owned themselves*; talk about a profoundly abusive situation to live in!
4:39 - the universal translator seems to have hiccups when translating Klingon. It translates 99% of it perfectly (apparently). Then suddenly starts sucking for no apparent reason. ☮
In a later episode Garak admitted to Odo that he considered shooting Dukat in the back -- "It's the safest way" -- but decided he might need him against the invading Klingons.
I can't quite remember the chronology but doesn't Quark have a disruptor that Garak uses in another episode? might be an earlier episode before it got stolen but if not...............
I'm not sure about that. If they really were reverting back to how they were in Kirk's time, that would be a problem for everyone. The Dominion and the Romulans were enough of a headache as it is, but a pre treaty Klingon Empire added into the mix would be too much for the Federation to handle. I think the galaxy should be thankful that in the midst of all this chaos, the Borg decided to stay out of it.
