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The ULTIMATE 12v Battery - Epoch 460ah Battery Testing and Review 

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Looking for a battery loaded with features and the best build quality? Don't pass on the EPOCH 460ah LFP battery! Please post a comment of your thoughts on this battery!
Learn more about the EPOCH 460ah batter HERE:
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@mrp55net
@mrp55net Месяц назад
I purchased the Epoch 300A Essentials battery and it is very impressive. It's relatively compact and the Bluetooth app is first rate.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
The app for these batteries works very good! 👍
@JenniferLude76
@JenniferLude76 Месяц назад
Awesome video! Thanks for the info.
@bobjones9727
@bobjones9727 Месяц назад
Looks like a quality build. IMO, one improvement would be replacing the internal fuse (where could you get one?) with an external circuit breaker. No need to tear it open to see if the fuse blew and the CB could act as the on off switch.) Then there's always the notion of having all your AH's in one basket so to speak. If one cell goes belly up you're OOL. Price seems OK for the features but IMO the $1299 "Essentials" battery seems the better buy.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Hmmmm, I like that idea. Thanks for sharing your feedback! Maybe they can integrate that into a future design.
@mvintrigue-trawlerdiy1101
@mvintrigue-trawlerdiy1101 Месяц назад
The class T is required for proper AIC rating of lifepo4 as per electrical standards and Boat ABYC regulations. I don't know of a cost effective breaker with an AIC rating of the required 20k amp interupt current rating needed for lithium. If there was one that didn't raise cost much it would be great idea.
@stanpacer9180
@stanpacer9180 Месяц назад
Good review!!! Thanks
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Glad it was helpful!
@garagejim1956
@garagejim1956 Месяц назад
Another great review, thats why I keep watcying.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Thanks for the constant support, Jim!
@johnross6314
@johnross6314 Месяц назад
What about vibration tests? And high instant shirt G loads? All important for boats or mobile devices that get hanged around.
@greengooseman
@greengooseman 2 дня назад
if you attached an ecoflow alternator charger to this you could charge and discharge it with an ecoflow solar generator.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid 2 дня назад
Thats a great way to use a battery this big! It will charge a power station multiple times. You do get a little more efficiency if you use a 48v battery though, no alternator charger needed.
@DanielEarlester
@DanielEarlester Месяц назад
Epic.
@EfficientRVer
@EfficientRVer Месяц назад
Reasonably priced "especially compared to Battle Born" is a joke, right? Battle Born pricing is outrageous and irrelevant in 2024. The days of the 100Ah $1000 Battle Born (even if its price has come down a bit since then) being relevant are long gone, thankfully. Other perfectly reputable brands of drop-in batteries now are all down around $150 or so per 100Ah, at the bottom of their Amazon price fluctuations. Cheapies can be had in the $119-$135/100Ah range. I'm most excited about all the small car-battery-shaped 300Ah batteries that recently hit the market in the $425 to $550 range, almost always with a checkbox coupon to get it under $500. Most have a 200A or 250A BMS, and weigh 53 to 58 pounds. If that's too much weight for a particular application, all sorts of brands are coming out with 140Ah, 150Ah, 160Ah, 180Ah, 200Ah, and 260Ah versions of it. Sometimes in the same size case, sometimes smaller. There's a nice 160Ah one weighing 29 pounds that I have my eye on, and a nice 180Ah one, though the 300Ah is just so tempting even if I'd rarely use the extra capacity while car camping. It's reaching the point where people will choose batteries based upon how much weight they're willing to put into their car/RV/boat, rather than cost or their calculated requirement, because the cost is becoming negligible. This November and Black Friday, it's going to be incredible what bargains can be had. I expect several brands of compact 300Ah to go below $400. The old/long shape of 280Ah might hit $300.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Believe it or not.... People are still buying BattleBorn batteries since they don't know better. This is a much better option! Cheap batteries are cheap for a reason. I see it all the time with products I test, budget products always have some reason why they are cheap. Did you see the quality of this thing on the inside? It's amazing! Most cheap batteries don't use high quality cells. The cells aren't capacity matched either so they go out of balance within 100 charge cycles. The cheap battery components might hold up if they stay in the same place for their whole lifetime, but if you want something that's going to hold up to vibrations and the stress of moving around in an RV, you'll want something more than a $175 battery. You definitely have the right to use your money the way you want and I respect that for sure, but just understand that there is a big difference between a cheap battery and this premium battery.
@i_LOVE_solar
@i_LOVE_solar Месяц назад
I think the biggest difference between a cheap battery and a higher quality one is the customer service and warranty. All those cheap battery companies will leave you high and dry if something goes wrong...especially all those no name brands on Amazon LOL. I think it's cool that EPOCH is located in the US with actual people to answer the phone. Just my two cents.
@kevinholland4156
@kevinholland4156 Месяц назад
What battery do you have your eye on that's 160AH and weighs 29 #s?
@libertyminded4608
@libertyminded4608 17 дней назад
I'm a noob. But why would you want to turn the battery off if it's connected to a charge controller and panels. Wouldn't that damage the panels or charge controller?
@lastresort1757
@lastresort1757 7 дней назад
You wouldn’t want to
@m3cog
@m3cog Месяц назад
Will you be comparing this to the Essentials version?
@jeffroberts857
@jeffroberts857 27 дней назад
Is this battery overkill or to big to put with a 5x10 Hiker squaredrop camper/trailer???
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid 27 дней назад
You can never have enough battery! Always go with the biggest battery you can fit in your space and afford!
@SetitesTechAdventures
@SetitesTechAdventures Месяц назад
Is there a particular use case this is designed for? Like is this a common footprint for an RV house battery? I wonder if they think about that when they make these increasingly larger batteries.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
This is designed for a mobile setup. RV house batteries and boats that have a lot of vibrations during traveling. Their essentials 460 battery is better for batteries that won't be moving around.
@brianventura4519
@brianventura4519 Месяц назад
good video, can you include metric measurements for the rest of the world?
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Sure thing!
@Mrbigwalt2
@Mrbigwalt2 Месяц назад
Is there space inside to add Anderson connections to the top like you did on a previous battery?
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
I'm sure you could find a place for something like that. It's got decent space inside 👍
@scotth9984
@scotth9984 Месяц назад
maybe someone can explain to me why anyone would need or want such a high AH 12v system. Why not run 24v or 48v, save money on cables, solar/charger, less heat. more efficient. What am I missing?
@Emerald13
@Emerald13 Месяц назад
My thought: 12v is safer to work on, and many existing systems are built on 12v (e.g. RVs, where it would be expensive to replace all components) and I don't think there are as many options for 24v.
@scotth9984
@scotth9984 Месяц назад
@@Emerald13 Makes sense, wasn't thinking of retro fitting. But 24v to my knowledge can't get through the bodies resistance, so it's not dangerous. And by now there are plenty if not as many 24v parts for a system
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
If your whole system is 12v and you don't have the skills needed to swap out all the wiring and components, using a battery like this will get you more capacity in a very simple way.
@scotth9984
@scotth9984 Месяц назад
@@Jasonoid right, my fault didn't think of retro fit for some reason
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
@@scotth9984 for a new build, 48v is definitely the way to go!
@thomasbyers9153
@thomasbyers9153 Месяц назад
Have you found a viable LifePO4 battery that can be used as a starter battery for a car? Occasionally they come up on Amazon as dual purpose but unsure of brands.
@netsai61
@netsai61 Месяц назад
There are some lifepo4 starter battery but I think your battery has to be away from heat source like the engine bay . Best for under the seats 💺 (audi) or in the trunk like the bmw . In the engine bay nothing beats the lead acid for now
@Deveak
@Deveak Месяц назад
Looks like epoch sells some. I’ve seen people use large lifepo4 battery banks to start smaller motors. It’s more of a limit of most BMS, they typically don’t have surge ratings. I’ve read some forums of people having good luck with lifepo4 starter batteries on Amazon in the 30-60 dollar range. Not sure if they even have a bms. They can’t be used with a motor using a stator coil (puts out small amounts of unregulated voltage).
@jw3843
@jw3843 Месяц назад
Will Prowse just did a video about them. I do not remember the brands but he tested one and talked about some other brand.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
I'd say it's probably best to stick with lead acid for a dedicated starter battery.... for now. Lead acid batteries are great for the extreme conditions under the hood and lithium batteries aren't quite up to the task. There are a few available but I'd let the technology mature a bit before getting one.
@jimmay8627
@jimmay8627 Месяц назад
Anti-gravity is one brand specifically marketing to that segment. They have batteries in automotive sizes, such as group 51. I haven't seen their units get reviewed by reviewers like Jason or Will Prowse, but the latter are coming from the solar/greenpower/RV/camping world, while Antigravity is competing in the automotive sector specifically. I've been considering one of their units, as I drive a Miata in Vancouver (mild climate, battery is located in the trunk, and it's a summar car) but can't really justify it when the lead acid does the job. I might consider the weight savings if I were tracking the car though.
@tomhengel7244
@tomhengel7244 Месяц назад
Can you do a video on use of this like how long it would run a fridge?
@Bamabrute85
@Bamabrute85 Месяц назад
This with an inverter would run a full size 28-30 cubic foot refrigerator for probably 55-60 hours depending on the temperature of the room the refrigerator is in.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Fridges usually pull 1.5kwh-2kwh per day. As mentioned, you'll need at least a 2000w inverter for your fridge but it should last 3 to 5 days depending on ambient temps.
@bobjones9727
@bobjones9727 Месяц назад
Do the math. 5800 WH's / by 100 watts?. About 2 days depending.
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
@@bobjones9727 a fridge compressor doesn't run all the time though
@bobjones9727
@bobjones9727 Месяц назад
@@Jasonoid With the ice maker off mine seems to pull 100 watts continuous. I'll have to check it again.
@leshenderson5746
@leshenderson5746 Месяц назад
When you talk about Bluetooth I'm out. Don't have a smartphone or computer!!! 73 years old 😅
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
You don't need the Bluetooth to use it, it's just there if you want it 👍
@jimjr9143
@jimjr9143 Месяц назад
I just do not get it . I see tests of these show full capacity . Then i watch reviews of the all in one like the delta pro and they show 80-90% usable capacity .???
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
A power station has a computer and electronics inside so in order to keep those running the brand has to leave a bit of 'reserve' power in the tank. So when it hits 0%, it's not really 0%. Also you have to convert / invert power from the original battery voltage to another voltage which has built in efficiency losses. Raw batteries don't have any of that so you can get the full 100% from the cells.
@mindbender50
@mindbender50 Месяц назад
Yes but 5x 100ah single batteries might(200$ each) be 1000$ and this equivilant is 1700$ ahh math doesn't jive! Five batteries at 5X100ahX12.8 =6400 watts. About 600 more watts... Sure is a nice case for the 700$ though lol..
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Those cheaper batteries usually don't have heaters or Bluetooth. I guess it all depends on what your looking for. There are definitely batteries for every project. You're probably looking at over $150 additional costs in parallel cables and fuses for those 5 batteries so make sure you also consider those extra costs. Thanks for watching! 👍
@TheCaboChannelMexico
@TheCaboChannelMexico Месяц назад
Epoch is pronounced e-pok not Epic?
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Yep, but it's not pronounced the way it's spelt...
@goodcitizen4587
@goodcitizen4587 Месяц назад
Is that even legal???
@Jasonoid
@Jasonoid Месяц назад
Please elaborate on your question 🤷
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