The ULTIMATE Audio and Video Over IP Setup | Worship Tech Tour at Experience Church

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0:00 - Introduction to Experience Church's Tech Setup
0:46 - Utilizing Mobile Devices for Dynamic Presentations
1:15 - Overview of Video and Audio Over IP System
1:51 - In-Depth Look at Audio Consoles and Network Integration
2:51 - Channel Count and Sonic Quality Enhancements
3:38 - The Flexibility of a Sit-Stand Mixing Desk
4:30 - Multi-Tracking and Intercom Systems
5:17 - Managing Sound Levels and Acoustic Treatment
6:07 - Stage Design and Instrumentation
7:02 - Innovative Solutions for Bass Players
7:50 - Drum Kit Setup and Maintenance
8:36 - In-Ear Monitoring System for Performers
9:22 - Importance of Acoustic Treatment in the Auditorium
10:25 - Camera Setup and Video Production Enhancements
11:12 - Utilizing LED Walls for Visual Impact
12:36 - The Role of IMAG and Stage Lighting
13:26 - Consistency in Stage Equipment
14:09 - Behind the Scenes in the Green Room
15:39 - Audio and Video Control Room Insights
16:31 - The Significance of Intercom in Production
17:19 - Lighting Strategy for Broadcast Quality
18:11 - The Approach to Stage Lighting and Atmosphere
18:59 - Preparing Talent in the Green Room
19:54 - Rechargeable Solutions for Wireless Systems
20:38 - Pastor's Involvement in Audio Mixing
21:20 - The Backbone of Video Production: The Control Room
22:07 - The Advantages of Dante and NDI in Church Production
22:50 - Power Management and Equipment Longevity
23:36 - Amplification and Audio Distribution
24:15 - The Practicality of Church Production
25:02 - Camera Operation and Control
25:44 - Strategic Camera Placement for Depth and Engagement
26:37 - The Importance of Good Tripods and Headsets
27:24 - Jib Camera for Dynamic Shots
28:57 - The Role of Checklists in Production Efficiency
29:44 - Live Spanish Translation for Inclusive Services
30:26 - Producer's Role and Real-Time Communication
31:11 - Controlling Low Frequencies in the Broadcast Room
32:41 - Custom Solutions for Broadcast Audio
33:32 - The Benefits of a 3-2-1 Speaker Setup
34:15 - The Flexibility of NDI and Dante in Church Production
34:55 - The Producer's Perspective and Leadership in Production
35:37 - Studio Setup for Diverse Content Creation
36:19 - Utilizing PTZ Cameras for Studio Production
37:07 - Audio Solutions for Studio Productions
38:35 - Control Room Operations and NDI Integration
39:23 - Expanding the Studio for More Creative Opportunities
40:13 - Lighting and Acoustic Treatment in the Studio
41:03 - The Versatility of PTZ Cameras in a Studio Setting
41:51 - Ensuring Safety and Stability in Studio Equipment
42:32 - The Importance of In-Ear Monitoring for Studio Hosts
43:24 - Creative Use of LED TV Walls in the Studio
44:02 - Audio Equipment and Microphone Choices for the Studio
44:48 - The Significance of Proper In-Ear Monitoring
45:33 - Overview of the New Video Control Room
46:10 - Acoustic Treatment and Aesthetic Considerations
47:01 - The Advantages of an IP-Based Production System
47:56 - The Flexibility and Scalability of NDI and Dante
48:47 - The Comprehensive Capabilities of the TriCaster System
49:25 - Utilizing Mobile Devices and Skype in Production
50:07 - The Future of Church Production at Experience Church
50:57 - Closing Thoughts and Invitation to Join Experience Church
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@donzpressplay 3 месяца назад

Pastor mixing from the tablet while the engineer is mixing really upset something in my spirit 😂

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

Our pastor has a background in music and mixing and technology. He has a specific sound he likes and tweaks accordingly. 90% or mixing is done by the FOH operator. 👍🏻

@d_ol_harris 2 месяца назад

My pastor comes to adjust his mic when we were still on Yamaha Analogue 32 channels mixer, which is after engineer has set it but now we are using digital, he doesn't know about that one, he only request for any changes he wants. 😂

@mikehines14 3 месяца назад

52:26 "I won't get into the weeds on NDI". Yes please do!! I'd watch a whole video on it!!

@TheSenrab 3 месяца назад

As an intern here. It’s amazing what we accomplish here and I’m grateful to be apart of mission we have for Puyallup.

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Jayden! Get back to work 😉😂😂

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Loved working with Jake and the church front crew! AVoIP has been a huge help for us in reaching more people for Jesus.

@SamuelHaywood17 3 месяца назад

I’ve been hoping to come over and get a tour but I guess this will do for now! Haha Great work Dariel.

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Stop on by! It’s not like you live far away 😂

@mikehines14 3 месяца назад

Hey Dariel! Killer setup man! Loved watching this video. Question about AVoIP. What is the limitation for how many videos you can send on the network at once? I'm assuming on a traditional 1gb network with uncompressed 4k video that would get eaten up pretty quickly. Does NDI compress the video before it goes over the network? Or did you guys upgrade to a 10gb network?

@jordan9266 2 месяца назад

Thank you for the video Churchfront and Dariel! I got a couple questions: What is your pixel pitch for your LED screen? And how did you grow the technology at your Church? How did you get visions of having all of this different technology (like the AVoIP suite) Finally, how do you present to the leadership team about buying the tech? It all seems very expensive lol

@Darielcummins 28 дней назад

@@jordan9266 thank you! 1. 2.9 mm pixel pitch. 2. This is over a 15 year journey that has gotten us to this point. So step by step. 3. We view our entire live production facility as a marketing expense. Over 50% of the people that come into our church watch us online for a period of time before stepping through the door. We also lease our equipment which helps with not losing a lot of capital every 5 years or so.

@brianisbrined9255 3 месяца назад

Very cool to see this. I first met the crew at Experience 15 years ago when I started volunteering in audio at my own church. They've been great friends of ours. I've learned a lot personally from Pastor Dennis Cummins. These guys have been pushing the envelope of church tech for a long time now.

@NewIberiaMedia 3 месяца назад

So while i understand the sentiment behind letting guitarist using church equipment, i would argue that if all my engineer is doing is balancing vocals, gain structure, and eqing on Sundays then he has the time to mix a guitar. You may even get better tones assuming the player is at home focusing on one instrument vs the buffet model your speaking of.

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

That’s a great point! We’re actually in the process of allowing our guitar guys to come in and design stuff. Our main focus is that we are communicating about changes so that way we’re better prepared.

@mf4361 3 месяца назад

I would hate to use house gear..wouldn’t work for me

@denniscummins8241 3 месяца назад

Yeah. He misspoke a little. They use their own guitar and base but we use the same pedal boards so we have the same gains and patches.

@Samwarren1982 3 месяца назад

@@mf4361 see the comment below by our pastor… we use our own instruments.

@simonacoustics 3 месяца назад

Wow! Bluelite! I have a Bluelite X1 Mini. Nice to hear they're still in use in the field!

@AricLN 3 месяца назад

Cool to see a tour of a church in the northwest!

@adventureseeker423 3 месяца назад

Sweet video!! Would love to really see some more videos on the networking side of church AV. I have a dante network at my church, but would love to dig into NDI and stacking these tools together in addition to others. Just would really love to see how to setup some of these network rich setups and eliminating the need for hardware directly attached to the computer.

@seunakande3830 3 месяца назад

Great ppl, great team, great budget

@streetbumm4576 3 месяца назад

With the remote feature in Playback, you can connect your playback machine thru Dante and use the iPad as the remote to trigger. It's helped so much where I'm at now

@robrig55 3 месяца назад

If you're a gear nerd and attend this church, you're definitely going to light up. Back then, churches budgets were more on design. Now, there's a bulk on tech. Definitely allows the church to communicate better.

@darkstar.runner6669 2 месяца назад

thx for this vid - it was really interesting 🤩

@djspecialpaul 3 месяца назад

amazing Setup and Church :)

@kameronharris6077 3 месяца назад

Great video!

@hdfloyd 3 месяца назад

AMAZING!

@andyrose5616 3 месяца назад

Thank you… I was starting to think that my preference for broadcast-style EFP cameras over DSLR was just because I’m getting old. 🙂 As you say, the form factor of having zoom/focus demand where your hands already are combined with being able to switch quickly between shoulder and sticks seems like a no-brainer to me.

@Palvader 3 месяца назад

As an electric guitarist, I don't even need to speak for you to know exactly how I feel about using a house rig.

@RezMusicMan 3 месяца назад

I agree but only for small churches like mine.....less than 200 ppl. But bigger churches ...not even megachurches buy just bigger.....there are a lot of moving parts and there is a genuine need to minimize potential issues. If that means house instruments / rigs, I think that makes sense. 💯👍🏻

@Palvader 3 месяца назад

I hear ya@@RezMusicMan. Fortunately, I'm blessed to go to a church with great sound techs who do an excellent job working with a variety of us playing our own gear. I can understand the few managers/music directors out there who don't allow this, and I am very blessed not to volunteer under them:)

@Samwarren1982 3 месяца назад

@@RezMusicManwe actually use our own guitars. But run it through the house effects rigs

@mikehines14 3 месяца назад

i'm guessing this strategy would be implemented because whoever is doing foh is a volunteer that doesn't know how to eq. that being said, genuine question for you: would you rather use the house guitar rig that sounds good and has been dialed in by the worship leader / production director, or would you rather use your own rig and risk it sounding like booty because the foh volunteer doesn't know how to change it?

@larrybethune3909 2 месяца назад

@@mikehines14 100%. Gain staging, eq, comp attack and release time tweaks, waves plugins, none of that is not for volunteers. It's an unavoidable environmental constraint. Availability comes before ability.

@Coemuze 2 месяца назад

Heck yea! At long last, a church AV personnel who thinks like a broadcast engineer. Church service isn't a music concert. Now that's what I'm talking about.

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

Thank you 🙌🏻🙌🏻

@TeleOltre 2 месяца назад

Please, can you tell us the exact model of the battery and kit? Thank you

@vomKuckucksfelsen 2 месяца назад

Great Information! 21:22 you run only 3 Lines to the Wall? So no Backup Cabling? The Novastar should have enough outputs afaik....

@musicalstrategy8261 3 месяца назад

Wow!

@adriancressy8363 2 месяца назад

Fabulous video.... I sent a link to my pastor..He wants to get into higher quality online videos and audio and the famous IN-EAR system. He likes the challenge of this high tech approach. I enjoyed the reference to BROADCAST cameras. THE ONLY way to top notch video. My pastor can probably try for a camera system a little less than broadcast. We're using a single camera in the back of the church and very poor lighting. It's gonna take a while to gather $$$$$

@feltystudios 3 месяца назад

I as a tech director and guitar player would be very frustrated to play a "house" varilax or whatever he said guitar and board. Im not saying amps, but even my own patches on HX stomp with my veritas or fender would sound much better..... Also being confortable. Imagine going home and practicing on my 4 string bass just to have to go to church and play a 5 string... Build relationships... work with people to get their sound consistent.... train your sound techs.

@denniscummins8241 3 месяца назад

He miss spoke. It’s house footboards. They play their own guitars. 👍

@feltystudios 3 месяца назад

@@denniscummins8241 sounds good. as long as there is room for team development and dialogue about tone and patches. all about team

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

That’s correct, we use house footboards, so my bad.

@thetimmartinez 3 месяца назад

Training the audio engineer is key. Having to make all instrumentalists play through the same rig (doesn't matter if they bring their own guitar) because 60 seconds can't be spent quickly EQ'ing different rigs combined with the pastor making their own changes on the front row with their device is the biggest red flag of untrained engineers. If the pastor has a sound he wants, get that trained into the engineers. If you want a specific realm of EG and bass sound, train the engineers.

@solusfides 3 месяца назад

@Darielcummins You had a handful of other mac mini stations in your production rooms. What are the other positions you have your team serving on?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

We use them for ProPresenter or Logic. We like them because the network latency on the Mac Mini is quick. Latency and bandwidth are the main things to consider for NDI and DANTE.

@CyberBlastStudios 2 месяца назад

@darielcummins, do you have dedicated VLANs for NDI and dante? Did you have to configure multicast routing and/or IGMP snooping to get them to work well? Do you use NDI with multicast or unicast? I noticed that Propresenter seems to only do unicast NDI, so I was wondering how you make sure you have enough bandwidth on your network to handle all the streams.

@LHSAVBroadcasting 2 месяца назад

I'm also interested in your network setup. I heard you mention unifi. Are you using unifi switches? We currently run NDI and Dante on separate vLans. I'm curious as to how you have the switches configured as there is not much on the web supporting ubiquiti in this scenerio.

@SergeyVoloshin 3 месяца назад

Why all the cables on cameras didn't grip on camera body or tripod? Despite it all makes a big mess, it also causes change weight balance of the camera.

@aguyandhiscomputer 3 месяца назад

24:22 Where's the monitor on the camera? Or is that camera always a fixed wide shot?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

That specific camera uses a viewfinder, which can flip open to a tiny monitor.

@shotbyjosh 3 месяца назад

@darrielcummins where did you all get that platform for the stage from? 39:02

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

We built it ourself.

@edpr2244 2 месяца назад

How do you separate Dant audio and NDI on your network? Are you using NDI and Dante on the back of your TC2 as well? Good job on setting up everything. I know from experience those two don't like each other.

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

We’re using them in parallel together. So there’s a VLAN that both NDI and Dante work on. So far, not many problems.

@ImpressUCaptures 2 месяца назад

What avion unit u r using? And the lens for that panasonic bgh1

@Darielcummins 28 дней назад

We use the A320, and D800 Dante. Lenses are a Rokinon 14mm

@aaronarndt3045 3 месяца назад

im a little lost ngl, i understand sending video over ndi but getting it back to hmdi? each of those converters like $500

@MarcusOSullivan123 3 месяца назад

What make electric standing desks have ye here in the church?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Costco or Amazon. Nothing special 😂

@steveSticksE 3 месяца назад

Can I ask what was the total cost for sound and video and how long did it take to set everything from the stage to all control rooms etc ?? A great video and I’m so jealous that my church doesn’t even have a digital desk !! Live streaming for my church has been a volume problem!! The worship band sounds great but the preaching microphones are very low and hard to hear!! Blessings to all 🙏

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

Thank you! We lease all of our equipment. Technology has a limited life span. So instead of upping a lot of cash and capital, we budget for it as a monthly expense. It helps us to budget monthly for stuff than to give up a lot of cash / capital.

@joshcapatch4368 3 месяца назад

7:38 Dariel, what kind of sub did you use for this setup?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Honestly, it’s just an Amazon speaker drilled to the platform.

@Samwarren1982 3 месяца назад

as the primary bass player currently, I can tell you it’s the closest non-amp setup to the real thing.

@gwillacey 3 месяца назад

Does tricaster only work with NDI or does it work with Dante video also?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

At this moment, I’m only aware of Dante Audio.

@jakevinton2075 3 месяца назад

Tricaster is NDI, no Dante video as of now

@protecteratr 3 месяца назад

For the led wall did he mean no video going to the wall it still got hot causing issues or like a video was left on it?

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

There was no power off option for the wall, besides strictly unplugging it from the outlets. So we would just leave the LED wall on with no signal. Going to it during the week.

@protecteratr 2 месяца назад

@@Darielcummins I see. We have a similar led wall ourselves the size in the video. We currently send no video to it when not in use and we have been having issues with part of panels going out. So I will suggest unplugging it to see if we start see less panel issues. I will most likely reference back to this video as to why.

@magoostus 3 месяца назад

what is the IMAG latency with NDI?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

We are going into our IMAG with SDI, so for us, it's about 3 frames at 59.94

@Blackunitsound-system 2 месяца назад

So where is for black unit sound church

@TheAwesomeGuy101 3 месяца назад

The only thing that has been left out of this video is the Networking part (in Detail). Since most of them are using NDI, that network part is a big factor. You will pretty much run out of bandwidth if you don't have a robust network. Although they showed it at the last part, but it was just a glimpse. Overall, nice vid though.

@Churchfront 3 месяца назад

Yeah we’d only need another 180 minutes for the full network breakdown 😂

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

Exactly!! Long story short: All UniFi being connected at 10G speeds for max bandwidth. Since most of the traffic passes through the TriCaster, we have a special 10G switch for the TriCaster connection so there’s no bottlenecks. Mostly every other device is connected at 1 gig.

@heliportpoe 3 месяца назад

i ever try the small scale setup with NDI and runs out the bandwidth the cheap gigabit managed switch TP-LINK, we'll try to upgrade to unifi stacks

@solusfides 3 месяца назад

@@Darielcummins Do you VLAN your dante separate from the NDI? I know there's many settings changes I had to make on my cisco dante switches. I'm assuming similar but different settings would be made for the NDI as well. How many NDI signals can you pack into one 1gb line?

@Darielcummins 3 месяца назад

@@solusfides How you configure VLAN is up to how you want to run everything. Our VLAN includes both NDI and Dante, but that's because so many devices utilize both. I believe VIZRT recommends that you use a separate VLAN and network card for Dante so that it doesn't affect the switcher, but if you have 10G NIC (network card) on the switcher (it's standard on the TC2), and a 10G switch that is connected, you shouldn't have a problem. Also, your NIC needs to be some what fast. We were using refurbished HPs originally for all of our Pro Presenters and we were experiencing latency issues, specifically with DANTE. As soon as we switch to the Mac Mini M2, it was fixed. As per NDI channels on a 1GB NIC, I'm utilizing 4 NDI channels on my lyrics Mac. From my research on NDI (and I may be wrong or mixed up with NDI HX), it sends out a "proxy" resolution which is downscaled to save on bandwidth. Once it is selected to "go live" it will send the full signal. So during worship, we're utilizing 3+ full stream NDI feeds at 1080p, 59.94fps. You'd have to check the white papers on the actual data rate, but I want to say it's about 120MBPS per stream, so 360MBPS all together. Sorry for all the technical info. If you want to message me directly on Social Media, we can chat more technical stuff and help answer and questions that you may have.

@lawrencevwhite 2 месяца назад

12:48 the interface that he’s using… iConnect?

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

Correct. We’re upgrading to their new box with 12 xlr out.

@notarealdruglord 3 месяца назад

24:03 I can guarantee not a single 'do we really need that?' was said when buying all of this. Back in my day before things became a performance, the preacher didn't need no microphone.

@Spidouz 2 месяца назад

I’m from Europe when most of Churches here don’t even have any microphones, they’re still using the natural strength of the church design to have reverb. At best, they have some kind of organ and that’s it. This American way of “church performance & business” looks really odd to me, but hey, in the other hand I’m a geek that love technology so I enjoy to watch this kind of setup… but I really wonder how necessary it really is…

@nathandoubleyou 3 месяца назад

13:51 is the audio out of sync or is it just me?

@aguyandhiscomputer 3 месяца назад

With all the cuts, I don't think many people will notice.

@Nick-fil-A 2 месяца назад

Something about this screams “we don’t trust our volunteers”

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

What part? 😂 I love our team and we are currently working on developing their skills to do more beyond what I can do.

@Nick-fil-A 2 месяца назад

A couple things, and not throwing shade or anything, just things that stood out to me. One was the house instruments and not allowing your musicians to bring their own gear. This says to me you don’t trust your musicians to use sounds that work with the songs you play, or you don’t trust your audio engineer to know how to mix well when instruments are changed.

@Nick-fil-A 2 месяца назад

Another is the pastor having an iPad to mix from. To me this also says you don’t trust the audio engineer

@paiddj3397 2 месяца назад

This is so sad that anyone thinks this tech is necessary. Church's have been around forever and didn't need all of this. What almost brings a tear to me is that at no time during this entire interview did anyone ever mention the reason for any of this, CHRIST. Church funds should never ever be used to fuel anyone's addiction to geek out. You want this stuff buy it yourself.

@jamesking890 3 месяца назад

no UPS in any rack is so wild.

@Samwarren1982 3 месяца назад

we have a couple, still working on implementing ups… but we have a very stable power grid too. The power has only gone out twice in the 3 years I have been there.

@jamesking890 3 месяца назад

@@Samwarren1982you can tell i'm a networking guy. lol. great work

@RionPhotography 2 месяца назад

Great theatre and organization. Not sure I heard the name God once in that entire hour. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

Our main mission is the advancement of the gospel. Check out a service to see what I mean. 👍🏻

@thelimatheou 6 дней назад

Cool technology - zero resemblance to an actual Church

@AaronRenner 2 месяца назад

no church should ever be able to afford this. Use the money to help the community. If you use it like this, they should pay the tax on it.

@raven_-_- Месяц назад

The money used for the tech is a fraction of what goes towards the community. If they didn’t give money to community, they could’ve gone 1000s more times elaborate with tech. I believe this church leases most of their production equipment as well, so they aren’t buying this tech.

@elliotalderson2479 Месяц назад

Without a livestream they may lose a lot of money in donations they put towards the community. Would your rather have the homeless be given $400 from a small church with no livestream and 100 people on a good day or be given $20,000-$50,000 every couple of months or years along with helping build shelters overseas? Online is the way to reach large numbers now without it a message won’t reach as many people. The more views you get the better quality you need to broadcast. Also aren’t Christians supposed to be doing everything with excellence? I can tell you I run media at a micro church and the micro church livestream setup is probably around $15,000-$20,000 if broke down everything there. But it’s a VERY small church get a bigger church everything can grow. BUT the amount of money from offerings that went to that probably like $200 over the course of 10 years and that $200 or so was specifically donated for that. “Where did the rest come from?” You may ask. I paid for a good amount of it myself because that’s part of my offering I’m a media professional and definitely not good at public speaking or sharing the word at all so for me this is me serving and sharing the work from people who are better at that than me while I may be better at tech and media than the preachers. The same how people donate to missionaries to fly across the world and preach because their daily lives or personal gifts aren’t strong in that way for them to fly out there others may donate and support livestreams which is the same thing.

@elliotalderson2479 Месяц назад

He said they used an ursa before. Cheaper camera. But the sdi kept failing. That costs money. Buy the right tool only need to spend it once ever so often

@bcdjrise 2 месяца назад

This is not a church anymore! Imagine how many souls you could help with the money invested in this high tech ! I wonder if the people coming to this place are driving Ferrari as a commuting car.

@Darielcummins 2 месяца назад

43 salvations on Easter and 19 today 🙌🏻 Technology is a tool.