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The Ultimate Budget Looper Pedal - Ammoon Stereo Looper - Demo / Review 

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Let's checkout the feature laden Ammoon Stereo Looper! Fully independent Left and Right channels can support two different instruments played through one pedal, or use it to maintain full stereo effects. This is the big brother to the much smaller and less expensive Nano Looper:
Original Nano Looper Review: • The Best Bargain Loope...
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Rubric: -5 points for Danzig references. -5 points for not reading the description. -5 points for not watching far enough into the video to answer your own question. -5 points for misquoting me in your comment. 20 points possible. Everyone starts with an A!

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@ethanharrison4283
@ethanharrison4283 6 лет назад
Guitarist tommy wiseau
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 6 лет назад
Oh hai Shawn! So how's your sex life?
@bearwhocares9539
@bearwhocares9539 6 лет назад
Perfect
@dachanist
@dachanist 5 лет назад
@@GuitarMAXMusic Why do you ask? Are you one of those Biceptuals?
@eggnuggs9013
@eggnuggs9013 4 года назад
I was about to say he looks like a buff David franco but he was in the disaster artist.
@itistime467
@itistime467 4 года назад
@@GuitarMAXMusic Well played sir, well played 😁
@AndyThomas_mrblitz
@AndyThomas_mrblitz 6 лет назад
was looking through the comments, listening in the background... cool... then that half speed function woke me right up... sounds like a gnarly bass substitute. reverse is very cool, too. sounds like a great piece of kit for the price... i like loopers in general... both budget and more expensive....anyway, great demo as always.
@hito6464
@hito6464 6 лет назад
Wow, that's really great, thanks, reverse option makes some trippy sounds
@alexanderlumberjack
@alexanderlumberjack 6 лет назад
wow, that sounds really good and you killed it with your playing. i guess i need to get one
@kimthompson5871
@kimthompson5871 6 лет назад
That's cool I just got the Ammon pock rock effect with built in drums I got on Amazon for 30 bucks . It's pretty cool for a small multi effect to just jam at home with !
@eugenenaputi2253
@eugenenaputi2253 4 года назад
How is this a promo vid for a looper pedal, Dove shampoo and conditioner, and 24hour Fitness?!
@Boak7
@Boak7 4 года назад
That's mean, but funny at the same time!
@smalltownmusicph3760
@smalltownmusicph3760 4 года назад
God damnit.
@aTUKLeJEN
@aTUKLeJEN 4 года назад
This is call 3 in 1 pack
@michaelmunger7195
@michaelmunger7195 3 года назад
Triple threat
@buckrogers5429
@buckrogers5429 3 года назад
@@Boak7 No it is not mean, this guy here is definitely a relic of bygone times. A dinosaur from the 1980s. No more , no less. Pose on! ;)
@gymover
@gymover 6 лет назад
Thank you so much for your correct opinions, neutral and not biased, you are a genius!
@hurdygurdyguy1
@hurdygurdyguy1 4 года назад
I got this looper a few months ago and am just now getting around to trying it out.. first off it is a great budget looper! The most important thing about any looper is coordinating the recording to get a seamless loop and when you're challenged by walking and chewing gum at the same time (like I am) it's tricky but practice makes perfect!
@Xxmeca421xX
@Xxmeca421xX 2 года назад
Unless you get one that has a huge delay. I bought a cheap mini looper that was impossible to play in time because of the half a second delay. My ehx nano opened my eyes to what a Looper should do
@seancurtin5131
@seancurtin5131 4 года назад
Thanks for the overview. This pedal is half the price of similar pedals like the TC Electronic Ditto X2, T-REX Image Looper and a third of the price of an EHX 1440. Now before anyone harks on about the BOSS RC-3, be aware it's a 16bit 44.1KHz looping pedal, not a 24bit 44.1KHz pedal or in the case of the T-REX Image looper 24bit 48KHz(although they declare 46KHz sample rate which I'm confident is a typo.) Sure the Boss pedal is jam packed with more featues and time, however you will notice the difference in quality going to a 24Bit unit. This pedal represents excellent value for money and I'm seriously thinking of grabbing one, to get 24Bit looping quality without the price tag of the more well known brands.
@perfect115tonedeaf9
@perfect115tonedeaf9 6 лет назад
That’s cool man. Keep them coming bro!!
@lone-wolf-1
@lone-wolf-1 6 лет назад
Just love it, how you get really nice sounds of chepo gear! Happy to find in the wwweb somebody that is no gear-snob. Good is, what sounds good!! Greets from Deutschland
@zacqueen
@zacqueen 5 лет назад
I LOVE non gear-snobs who have real talent! It is NOT the instrument, but the person/player/musician who makes great music!
@ghostchuggers4398
@ghostchuggers4398 5 лет назад
great channel, I'm binge watching all your videos
@richszmal1653
@richszmal1653 6 лет назад
Great review once again. Id like to see a review on the String Butler
@mrlarkin6416
@mrlarkin6416 6 лет назад
Another cool review I like the reverse mode 😎
@AGENTtimex
@AGENTtimex 6 лет назад
Thanks, John Redcorn!
@stepvanjoe3469
@stepvanjoe3469 6 лет назад
great channel man, new to it but what I have seen so far has been real professional Happy New year's
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 6 лет назад
Thanks! Happy New Year to you too!
@murrayfnblackadder2512
@murrayfnblackadder2512 4 года назад
Great real info and playing well done.
@snottythe-snorlaxian4503
@snottythe-snorlaxian4503 4 года назад
I think its good to have mutiple loops, but buying a simpler design may be good at first to see how often you end up using one before an additional investment.
@650thunderbird5
@650thunderbird5 6 лет назад
Good review, mate!
@asbmud
@asbmud 4 года назад
Love your videos. Thank you.
@MrCavemanDon
@MrCavemanDon 6 лет назад
I love that you use cheap arse guitars, I started playing in the 1970's when cheap arse guitars were truly CHEAP!
@trillrifaxegrindor4411
@trillrifaxegrindor4411 6 лет назад
unfortunately in the 70s cheap guitars truly SUCKED,now a cheap guitar can be great
@jessebarrera159
@jessebarrera159 6 лет назад
It’s all about competition and knowledge of the products, bad products will not sell, because people find out though great reviews like the one we just watched.
@MrCavemanDon
@MrCavemanDon 6 лет назад
Sorry, my point was that "cheap" guitars in the 70's were truly junk while alot of "cheap" guitars today are decent platforms that can be made into nice players.
@4s2work
@4s2work 5 лет назад
@@MrCavemanDon 60's -70's "Asian" guitars were garbage. Had a President ES 335 copy with "bigsby" trem-one wham and you had to retune. Kawai neck warped and bow fit for Robin Hood to use!
@DavidRFIT
@DavidRFIT 5 лет назад
@@trillrifaxegrindor4411 exactly this. even in the late 90/early 2000s cheap guitars sucked BAD. cheap guitars started to actually be good just a few years ago.
@apar7688
@apar7688 6 лет назад
I got this pedal.. features are superb built quality for the price is superb also! So fun playing with this.. it kinda changes the dynamics of the sound a lil bit buy overall great pedal.
@zacqueen
@zacqueen 5 лет назад
Am I able to plug in a microphone and loop vocals alongside an instrument? I am thinking of looping live percussion, sound effects, vocal parts and whistling etc via a dynamic microphone.
@sullysoldshort
@sullysoldshort 6 лет назад
Thank you, sir! I have been searching website after website, watching video after video, and finally stumbled upon your review which showcases what seems to be the perfect looper for me. I have subscribed, turned notifications on, and send many thanks.=====P.s. May I have an extra point if I buy this looper giving me an A+?
@kimthompson5871
@kimthompson5871 6 лет назад
Great review on that too !
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 6 лет назад
Thanks!
@codzilla360
@codzilla360 6 лет назад
thanks for the review, was thinking of getting a ditto looper but hey that one is cheaper and has more feature ;)
@wadeolder7193
@wadeolder7193 6 лет назад
Good review.
@DoKsTa1
@DoKsTa1 6 лет назад
just bought it, cant wait to get it workn
@robertsteinberger5667
@robertsteinberger5667 4 года назад
Do you still like the pedal
@polcat79
@polcat79 4 года назад
Looks good!
@allen6924
@allen6924 6 лет назад
The halftime function sounds like it lowers the previous pitch substantially. But all told I'm going with this one over the smaller version. More bang for the buck
@getenlightened
@getenlightened 4 года назад
I bought the Ammoon Pock Loop, which is the smaller, newer version of that, but it's not stereo and has only one button. It does have a USB feature, to copy tracks to and from the device, which could be cool. My complaint, however, is that when I add a layer to my loop, I hear a small audio noise pop where the insert occurs. I wouldn't use this in a live situation. For practice, I guess it will do, as long as the pops don't get too annoying. They can add up, however, with multiple dubs. I guess you get what you pay for.
@fireside007
@fireside007 6 лет назад
YOU ~ ROCK ! !
@robsask
@robsask 5 лет назад
Hi. Thanks for the video. Does the looper ' s led flash the tempo of the loop when in stop mode so as to go back to the loop in time?
@adriankalebra666
@adriankalebra666 5 лет назад
Does this one also need to be ran through fx loop? I bought a similar one made by tc electronics called the ditto I have to use that one through fx loop as well
@najmi.d
@najmi.d 4 года назад
after record/loop and stop, can it play back the previous loop or is it like immediately erase and need to record a new one?
@CorpsesAllOver
@CorpsesAllOver 5 лет назад
Would you show your complete set up at one point or another. Thank you
@Tiffers963Hz
@Tiffers963Hz 6 лет назад
Admiring the guns. Forgot about the loop pedal. ;)
@rareform6747
@rareform6747 6 лет назад
Good , the Ditto Looper has a major flaw ..switching clear off ?
@JaggieMoMo
@JaggieMoMo 6 лет назад
I bought a sonicake sonic looper for 50 bucks on amazon. Not even two months in the thing craps out electronic noise on every loop turnaround. Assuming these ammoon pedals are better quality, its something I’ll definitely look into
@knottsscary
@knottsscary 5 лет назад
can i loop 2 guitar parts on it? I’m looking to cover a song but need 3 guitars. Like 2 on the pedal and me being lead.
@floriankubes2267
@floriankubes2267 5 лет назад
Question; is this something similar as what Les Paul made and attached to his guitar?
@f1948s
@f1948s 4 года назад
Thanks for the excellent review and for getting me into seeking more Ammoon products. On this one can you tell me if I use one channel to play my lead guitar through to make a loop. Can I then also record onto that same loop from the other channel that I can plug my bass into so that on that one loop I will have been able to record my lead and or rhythm plus my bass which is coming from the other stereo input? I am considering this stereo looper instead of going to the basic Ammoon Puck Looper. I appreciate any advice you can give me.
@joepaul9855
@joepaul9855 6 лет назад
Dual inputs and outputs is really cool
@ryanrivers5814
@ryanrivers5814 6 лет назад
Looks like a electro harmonix 720 clone. Would you choose this looper over the eh 720? Trying to decide between the two.
@kikerotts
@kikerotts 4 года назад
Hey! Why don't you check Hotone pedals? I've been curious about these.
@Capitalista64
@Capitalista64 4 года назад
When I press the "Stop" button for a break in the middle of the song and then press "Stop" again the recording goes back in line?
@KristianHeartmusic
@KristianHeartmusic 5 лет назад
Question I’m about to buy this pedal but I wanna know how to delete a recorded track please!!
@chriscarreno4930
@chriscarreno4930 6 лет назад
Great job!! Great review!! My Digitech was 3x more. I have a Beat buddy too. That peddle could be better with a tap tempo that doesn't change pitch. Other than that, what a value!!🎸🎸 Amen!!!🕊🕊🕊
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 6 лет назад
How do you like the Beat buddy?
@chriscarreno4930
@chriscarreno4930 6 лет назад
MaxxxwellC I use the Beat Buddy mostly practicing everyday . But ,since I have owned it ( 1 yr.) I have arranged 5 or 6 songs. I have never pulled songs from the Beat Buddy music site. I hear there is over 2 million songs and many othet drum sets. Maybe some time I will. I play mostly blues, rockabilly, or dirty or edgy rock stuff .I use mostly 6/8 and 4/4 . I use standard, metal , and brush drum sets at 95 to 170 bpm. I run the pedal through my mixer through a 2/10 horn powered PA cabinet. The drummers sound great with the mixers handsome juice on it . They have feeling . I have the auxiliary foot switch. I mostly use it to stop the drum track and pause it; it fades out like sound does in real life, like the symbols or snare. I and am hoping to get a cow bell on it sometime. It is really great when you transition from 1 part to another with a good fill ,or when you run a good fill in a verse or chorus. I have yet to use it with my looper. So far I find it, "all that and a bag of chips!!"🥁🥁🎵🎶🎸 Amen!!!
@EuphoniaPooch
@EuphoniaPooch 6 лет назад
how many loops can you do at once and how long can your loops be? Like could I record a whole track on here?
@samlucero583
@samlucero583 4 года назад
hi so can I record, and not have it play right away. them later come back and play it? with my foot I mean. so like I'm playing a song in front of people record a progression but not use it till later? bro?
@CorpsesAllOver
@CorpsesAllOver 5 лет назад
Can I run this pedal alone with my spider classic 15 or do I need more hardware
@m4ktubBR
@m4ktubBR Год назад
if I connect 1 instrument to the mono/L input and connect 1 amplifier to output L and another amplifier to output R, will the sound come out of both amplifiers or just the output L that the instrument is connected to?
@MrElitesolda
@MrElitesolda 3 года назад
hello friend..you have this pedal for how long? is it working fine? i saw some videos showing defects in it i wanted to know you there ... thanks in advance
@NickRosaci
@NickRosaci 4 года назад
Out of curiosity, have you checked out the Ammoon PockLoop yet? I'd be curious on the differences.
@PartyRockAdviser
@PartyRockAdviser 5 лет назад
Great video review! Anybody know the make and model of the footswitch that is compatible with the Ammoon Stereo Looper?
@philo426
@philo426 6 лет назад
Half speed makes it sound like a Ric 4001bass!
@slimbeauharpo4687
@slimbeauharpo4687 6 лет назад
String butler .....? Would you consider reviewing ......?
@jasonmercado
@jasonmercado 3 года назад
wiill it permanently save the loops even without power supply or battery?
@caseylee12
@caseylee12 2 года назад
Ok, late to the party...BUT ..I bought that nano looper, and it's really good. I use it to practice time keeping, and song writing. But I love that 1/2 speed effect on this one. It's like playing bass for yourself. I gotta have one! One question, Can you overdub on this one too?
@rjforbes4804
@rjforbes4804 6 лет назад
Nice review. Thx!👍🏻
@jhonochoa1653
@jhonochoa1653 3 года назад
Nice! Does it work for electroacoustic guitars?
@TheRosswise
@TheRosswise 6 лет назад
You should demo your Blackstar head sometime Max. Most people have no idea how awesome the ID TVP series is.
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 6 лет назад
I agree. Amps are more difficult to demo, since there are so many features to go through and the volume doesn't translate in the video, but I will do it at some point!
@zhdanvadim9536
@zhdanvadim9536 4 года назад
Thanks!
@TheRalphnocerous
@TheRalphnocerous 6 лет назад
Question about this. When you unplug the pedal does it lose all of the things recorded on it? Trying to use this to record some sound clips for in between songs live.
@JV-jl1sq
@JV-jl1sq 4 года назад
It saves your presets, even after you unplug it.
@57RickH
@57RickH 2 года назад
No longer manufactured? Linked page no longer exists and I can’t find this on Amazon.
@paulblackman3936
@paulblackman3936 5 лет назад
Prefer a looper pedal with stop and start dedicated switches. The ditto X2 is good but the ammoon has more flexibility and features.
@albertoazaharvichparedes2052
@albertoazaharvichparedes2052 4 года назад
How much time does it record? Does it have a time limit?
@charlesvillanueva9085
@charlesvillanueva9085 5 лет назад
Can you pause the loop and then resume it again?
@spinnito
@spinnito 4 года назад
Hi, I'm looking for triple pedal switch to use with this looper, to control the extra features using the jack marked as FOOT CTRL, can you recommend me an affordable option please?
@AceFurley
@AceFurley 3 года назад
triple foot controller from electro harmonix(this pedal is an exact copy or thier 720 looper). its about 40$
@LoafDodo
@LoafDodo 6 лет назад
I wanna looper...loopers look so fun.. one with reverse would be awesome!) Perhaps one with 200% speed fwd or bwd
@patrickshannon4516
@patrickshannon4516 Год назад
Hey cool hair reminds me of the old Glen Danzig look
@SuperJocker1
@SuperJocker1 4 года назад
Can i use it with an electro acoustic guitar?
@charlessale409
@charlessale409 4 года назад
obsessed with your hair king... what do you use?
@dreamcoma2213
@dreamcoma2213 5 лет назад
Would have liked to see the fade out capabilities demoed.
@maurizio1604
@maurizio1604 5 лет назад
Hi, thanks for this very interesting review! Please a question, can I edit (delete or mute) only a singol loop?
@GameTimeing
@GameTimeing 5 лет назад
Nah bro it deletes or stops all. But I have a question why does the loop I stored die out when I play lead over it? Keep in mind I'm using distortion for this lead
@RJsCave
@RJsCave 6 лет назад
Another excellent vid! How aout reviewing a headphone amp? I just ordered one with all sorts of features for $13 shipped from asia. USB charging, Distortion/clean channels and up to 2 secondary music sources (I.E. cellphones/apps) via aux input and included splitter. Lots of features for something about the size of a cigarette lighter.
@johnnydeformed7123
@johnnydeformed7123 3 года назад
I don't really need too many features but a separate stop button is clutch.
@oli_dall-r4112
@oli_dall-r4112 6 лет назад
Oh shit im gonna buy it
@shubhangjain6480
@shubhangjain6480 6 лет назад
Are you the guy who wrote that he's not a amith but a legend in his yearbook or you just have set his pic as your dp?
@theruel
@theruel 5 лет назад
Is this true bypass?
@joebloggs4754
@joebloggs4754 4 года назад
is this the most affordable looper that can SAVE loops?
@justanothervideoname
@justanothervideoname 6 лет назад
Hello, I've just bought this, and wanted to know how to remove loops beyond the first? I can remove the first loop, but removing any loop beyond that seems to be impossible! e.g. if I record 3 loops, I can remove the 3rd one, but not the second or first one without deleting everything. thank you for the great review!
@saintjabroni
@saintjabroni 6 месяцев назад
@@Gavinn07😂
@nicolamontoro
@nicolamontoro 6 лет назад
Good review. You got a license for them guns. Lol
@manoah16
@manoah16 6 лет назад
Does anyone know if it takes 9v battery? I couldn't find out from the specs on eBay. Thanks for helping.
@treversole9956
@treversole9956 4 года назад
Not sure if you have found out by now, but it does not. It doesn't even come with the 9v adapter.. I had to order a specific adapter for $7, so I'm sitting here with the pedal, unable to play with it yet.
@jonnyreverb
@jonnyreverb 2 года назад
Mine worked for about a year. Now when I use it for more than a few minutes, it suddenly and unpredictably lets out a loud screech. If I was playing at a high volume, it would have taken out my speaker. Not worth the risk.
@Cruxkg
@Cruxkg 3 года назад
Hey, is it possible to plug in guitar into one input and for example harmonica mic or second guitar into the second input but then plug in just one cable into mono output so both instruments will go into the same amp? Will it work?
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 3 года назад
You could use a Y splitter cable to plug both outputs into a single input to the amp.
@Cruxkg
@Cruxkg 3 года назад
@@GuitarMAXMusic Hey, yeah i was hoping i could avoid that, hence my question. Thanks for answer
@clintparkinson129
@clintparkinson129 3 года назад
How do you delete a loop I’ve been on it ages 🤦‍♂️
@otraperspectiva
@otraperspectiva 4 года назад
I have a problem with mi ne. After a year of use the two stomp switches weren't working properly, sometimes they did, sometimes they didn't. So I thought it was a good idea to format the SD card. But now I can't get it to work at all. Whenever I plug power to the pedal two buttons flash steadily (half speed and FX). Nothing works, it's effectively a brick. Anyone knows what could be the issue? I can't find any information on ammoon's webpage or the internet.
@auntjenifer7774
@auntjenifer7774 4 года назад
I guess the way you name the files keeps it from crashing, no dash or spaces ?
@otraperspectiva
@otraperspectiva Год назад
@@auntjenifer7774 No idea. I sent it for repair to see if they can find what's wrong with it.
@jgpie
@jgpie 4 года назад
Hey what program is used to place that extra screen on the bottom right?
@theviolinoob
@theviolinoob 4 года назад
MS Excel
@trycatchbike1446
@trycatchbike1446 3 года назад
how heavy are his guitars?
@auntjenifer7774
@auntjenifer7774 4 года назад
This is same as the little one just stereo , the little one save loops up to 11 and you recall then by changing to that channel.
@bhaktibucks5273
@bhaktibucks5273 4 года назад
Does it works for guitar and vocal loop? And same output at the end?
@GuitarMAXMusic
@GuitarMAXMusic 4 года назад
Separate output, although you could combine the outputs with a splitter cable or something like that.
@Xxmeca421xX
@Xxmeca421xX 2 года назад
I love my ehx nano looper but it doesn't have the USB port that I want.
@2dazetake
@2dazetake 3 года назад
I waited months for this same pedal only to get it broken, although they refunded my money, I'm disappointed it didn't work, don't know if someone can repair these new pedals, everything inside is so nano, and no it wasn't a power supply issues, tested the plug inside and out, time to try a lakato looper out next.
@juliancrabbe5720
@juliancrabbe5720 6 лет назад
Off topic but what protein shakes do you use? I'm tryna get swole like you, how long did it take for you to get like this?
@alexmurphy5289
@alexmurphy5289 4 года назад
Protein is such a small part of lifting bruh
@guillotinedeath
@guillotinedeath 4 года назад
Julian Crabbe Count your calories full body routine and Bulk for a lonngggg time
@mikegranberryii
@mikegranberryii 4 года назад
gains are made by looping
@dwaneyocum1718
@dwaneyocum1718 6 лет назад
I'd like to see a looper with memory reviewed. I've seen some for $200.
@marc8828
@marc8828 5 лет назад
Seems like an awesome looper pedal for the price, but for some reason on amazon there seems to be a handful of reviews saying it came defective or didn't work out of the box. Can anyone vouch for/against this? I kinda wanna buy this pedal but the reliability is questionable...
@kevincrawford9677
@kevincrawford9677 Год назад
BEWARE!!! THESE THINGS ARE BUILT WITH A REVERSED-POLARITY AC INPUT!! The first one I sent to a young friend wouldn't work with a standard 9v adapter! The second one I bought from ebay wouldn't work at all - it was DOA (no lights, nuthin') - even when when my electronics friend noticed the reverse-polarity 9v input circuitry and cut the cord on a normal 9v wall plug and swapped the wires. It may have been burnt out by using the wrong polarity adapter before I got it - I don't know. Here's the thing: our normal 9v adapters are negative-ground on the OUTSIDE of the little round plug going into the stompbox - and the current is carried on the INSIDE of the the little round plug. The Chinese - for whatever their weird reasoning - decided to do the opposite and, at best, it won't work. At worst, it may burn out the stompbox's circuitry. BEWARE!! If you buy one, they're cool. But take a close look at the tiny booklet that comes with it. Somewhere in there it'll show a little +/- diagram. If the + points to the OUTSIDE of the the diagram, you're screwed as far as using a normal Radio Shack-type wall plug. You'll have to cut and reverse the wires.
@NoNameNo.5
@NoNameNo.5 3 года назад
How many curls did Max bust out before this vid
@rockonileva
@rockonileva 4 года назад
Would I get this or the small one? Two words: STOP SWITCH!
@fckshttv684
@fckshttv684 6 лет назад
Check out the Sgr c-1 by Schecter just got one off Amazon for $97 would love to know what you think !
@barnes80
@barnes80 5 лет назад
Can you layer the loops or will it only run one loop?
@chester51161
@chester51161 5 лет назад
If you hit the record button again while it’s playing it back you can overdub over the loop
@HollyVeratton
@HollyVeratton 4 года назад
Is there a looper where you can switch from a loop to another one with foot?
@abcrx32j
@abcrx32j 4 года назад
This one if you have an external switch
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