For true lag bolts I agree with you. But more and more the structural fasteners from companies like GRK, Spax and Simpson seem purpose made for impact drivers. Drills will do it faster yes. Impact wrench might be better suited for back to back to back fasteners all day but for the occasional use I think they do a great job.
If you do hundreds of big bolts a day, get an impact wrench. If you do them rarely or occasionally, get an impact driver because the new ones are basically mini impact wrenches as well as drivers.
It’s quite a bit different than what you have on the 887 and the 850 for example. I like it more but I think that ardent users of the old mode might miss it.
@@TinkerWithTools I have the 840 (no setting beyond the trigger) and the 12v driver that has that setting. At first I hated it because I wasn’t used to it and the pause before it begins hitting had me thinking it was hopelessly underpowered. Now that I know to expect the pause, I like it for stubborn little fasteners.
I recently decided to replace my old loyal DCF887 impact driver. Bare DCF860 is priced 4+ times higher than 887 in the UK and 887 has always been good to me, so I simply got a new 887 in sales for approx $72.
@@TinkerWithTools Cheers. The full price in shops is $130-150. I got it online and at the end of the month, they probably were short of the month's targets hence heavy discounting. I was also surprised by such keen prices. 860 bare is around $330, I think it's a rip off for now
It delivers performance for sure, but other than Makita and maybe Festool it's the highest priced impact in my market for sure. (Makita's can be had for cheaper though if you are willing to take a prior model and the performance is relatively similar).
I’m not in the Dewalt platform, but I like that 20 minute work light feature. Like you said, not a big selling point.. but I wouldn’t mind that being a standard option on impacts Thanks for the video 👍👍
I agree 100%. It’s a nice feature that they include on some their XR stuff. Makita has something similar where you can turn the light on and it just stays on.
I like the theme of first impressions. That's a great idea I haven't seen before. Any tool should be more than performance. Like a chainsaw can be remarkably different from power, comfort, anti vibe, weight, reliability. We should judge more tools from a usability aspect. Great idea, great video.
LOOKING Forward TO YOU GETTING the DCD 1007 and testing it ro see if i want it for my RU-vid channel and i have the new XR 8 AMP Power Pack battery on order too i have run the 9 AMP FLEX VOLT Battery and i swear it gives the 860 more power
Based on the delivery date expectation for this tool I am hoping it ships soon. The 9ah is a beast of a battery. It’s the one I run in the flexvolt saw. So if this new 8ah can do similar things but be a little smaller perhaps it would be a win for the 20v tools.
When you do decide to test this 860 vs the other brands(Flex, Milwaukee) please test it removing screws that it has driven. From what I have seen this thing kinda struggles with screw removal almost like it doesn’t have as much power as other impacts like the Flex or M18 Fuel. I will say that it definitely has the speed though. It seems to be faster than anything out right now. I feel like Dewalt really focused on the rpm’s and not as much on the torque or power
That’ll be part of it. As for the RPMs the funny thing is that both the flex and the Milwaukee top it in RPMs. From everything I have tested so far it’s got plenty of speed and torque.
How is the bit wobble in this one. Dewalt have probably got the sloppiest bit holder. It holds fine but it’s just got a lot of slop compared to Bosch or makita.
I compared the Milwaukee, Flex, Bosch Freak, Japanese Makita, American market Makita, and the new DEWALT. The Bosch freak and the Japanese Makita were slight better in side to side play in the standard size bit but they also have a similar characteristic in that they bit is more fully seated in both collets. So more of the bit is supported leading to less movement. Forward and back play was all similar and the rest of the impacts were fair similar. With a 6” bit they all have similar levels of side to side play. I didn’t measure with any sort of tool but I didn’t notice anything that stood out as being better or worse.
I also think that it doesn't make sense to include the 8ah battery with this kit, something like 1.7ah or 3 or 4ah compact packs would be much more suitable.
Please also test it with the 1.7Ah PowerStack. I prefer the lighter batteries if I don’t need it to run all day long. I’d like to see if it offers similar power with the smaller battery.
When i test the DEWALT against previous DEWALT impact that sort of testing is the plan. I have used it off camera with the 1.7ah and it’s a good fit too.
i just wait for the DCF870 Hydralic Quiet Impact driver from Dewalt , i tired for hearing the noisy from normal Impact driver 😅 from the video i have seen the Hydralic won the DCF850 for some how 😂 very impressed
weirdly, the only 870s i've seen in the wild so far have had the old slide-switch control panel. that'd be disappointing if that's not just a preproduction unit quirk
I think Dewalt excellence is based on reliability and comfort of use they all have more than enough power 95 percent of the time I grab my 12 volt Dewalt impact it drives two and a half inch screws just fine. A one or two second difference in driving a screw means nothing to me I would much rather have great ergonomics.
What I appreciate about your comment is that you pointed out that the second or two doesn't mean anything to you, so you grab the tool that works for you. I get that power and speed won't be the defining factor to each person. For me there are times that I grab a Makita impact for certain jobs because that is the impact that is nicest to use for me.
Hope this 860 doesn't drop bits like the 840 and 845. Still using my 887 even though it's slower, for this reason. As well as it doesn't get burning hot
I will be reporting anything that I find but some of that is only going to come out with time. I did have one bit get jammed in it a little so far but that happens with just about any impact from time to time when using bigger fasteners. a quick burst in reverse and it came right out.
I appreciate you providing that info. When you use the impact is it only for driving tasks or are you doing drilling too? With fastening, is it all one piece bits, or are you using adapters and sockets for example? just trying to know what things to potentially test.
@@TinkerWithTools it is almost always driving, but I do drill very occasionally. I use one piece, six inch long 7/16 driver bits. I'm driving metal screws into garage door panels and lags into wood. When the 840 and 845 drop the bit it's almost almost right after Fastening something and then I put it on my toolbelt again and then the bit falls
Both of their top new tools are kitted that way. While I agree it’s a big battery on the impact driver, getting that battery and a more premium charger for the price of the kit isn’t all that bad considering the bare tool price. Getting the battery and charger for $119 at that point.
The dcf 899 from 7 years ago.....is a POWERHOUSE amd beats out every other driver ive ever held and ive had all brands in the hand and ive never found one that could match it
@@skaterhk213 havent got them in australia so couldnt confirm or deny. Also I run 95% makita and some milwaukee and hikoki but the red one is the most powerful.
