Not to mention if your teammates break the rotation, you have to break rotation too to compensate, sometimes your teammates rotation is so bad that you constantly have to defend by being at the back all the time, and due to too much recurring pressure, after sometime you make a mistake, make a whiff, and your worthy teammates go "What a Save!!!"
@@nickalfredo314 That's different, and understandable, sometimes that's the play. What I'm talking about is 2 people constantly chasing without letting you go in front like ever, and you having to constantly playing the 3RD man, you will be constantly pressured, and eventually you will make a mistake and get scored. And then your oh so worthy teammates will immediately forget that you had to constantly wipe after their ass-crap all this time. And you become pressured and made a mistake, which is pretty inevitable most of the time. They will immediately go, "What a Save!!" The price of playing responsibly. The best way to rank up in 3s at least, after playing this game for like 1.5 years, is that, "Find good teammates, and if possible, solo queue less in 3s". With 2s you can still sometimes clear after 1 teammates mess, but in 3s, that's difficult if the other 2s are playing while chocking on 2nd tier Viagra.
@@nickalfredo314 I disagree. High Risk, low reward play. If your team is rotating well, you'll have someone constantly on the ball so you're just gonna end up forcing a double commit. only time you should break rotation is if you have dumb teamate sitting back in goal and not being that 3rd man to cycle in. Ya maybe sometimes you recoginize there nobody pressuring the ball so you gotta cut rotation, but typically if your teamate is about to pounce on that ball, he'll have a better shot that you knocking the ball to the side, and cucking your teamate.
@@Jonbomb97 in that play style you and the opponents are waiting for mistakes you aren’t forcing mistakes, when I first hit gc I wasn’t having success and games were 1-0 or 1-2 until I changed my style for 3s. RLCS was literally ping pong two seasons ago bc everyone was too good for waiting for mistakes but then demos and positioning changes came into play and it’s a lot more exciting to watch.
@@stranger16luis71 idk what rank you are but it’s been awhile since I’ve encountered that sort of tms constantly I get one here and there. Idk man I guess if both are going hard floating back is best but, I do know I’ve had overly passive tms in 2s and I cut their rotation for earlier challenges and get told I’m chasing but in reality their able to set up aerial and passing plays way too much. In 3s tourneys I always assert myself in the first game even if it’s a close game bc that determines how ppl will respect the rotations for the rest of the series
I almost wrote that shit down on paper because I could see that actually helping me. Whenever I’m in a game i just imagine myself being my tm8. What would they want me to do? Dang I’ll try that out tomorrow.
Then you won't meet same teammates anymore, they will rank up from you, but you'll meet ones with bad mechanics and better positioning). And you will keep saying your teammates are trash.
@@astralinfinite9995 I’m c3 n the only reason is because I spent most of my time training mechanics and free styling so never started playing competitive until like 5 months ago, and I’ve taken many breaks throughout those 2 years
@@astralinfinite9995 Lmao what are you on dude, even if he was playing 4 hours a day every day for 2 years he couldn’t have mastered rocket league at this time, that ain’t how it works. Prob plat lmao.
A few things missing I feel. -Don't cut the rotation/ball chase, -don't take the boost of the player going to the challenge -play passively as you say = fake challenge / shadow defense until your mate has had time to rotate
Guys if your gonna ever share a youtube video make sure it’s this one so your teammates will stop rotating ball side and messing up your freestyle set ups
Thanovic, I absolutely love your videos. The way you break down concepts and patiently explain the thinking behind is just brilliant. So clear and easy to understand. Keep it up mate!!
This would be awesome if I ever actually had teammates that knew how to rotate. Instead, I sit there playing the third man position waiting for *anyone* to rotate back, but no one does until I'm facing a 3v1 while my teammates are both stuck in the opponent's net.
@@youtubewanderer7739 It was not to say that we don't rank up because of the mates. But it's frustrating when you are paired with a ballchaser. Still trying to fill the roles 1, 2 or 3 which are left is the best to minimize the loss.
great stuff and such an overdue video. There are some older videos I always show people who wanna learn about rotation but some are either outdated or not as informative as this. This gonna be my go to video for coaching mid-ranked players!
Very good, I've seen a few videos on this subject . your more in depth detail about the position and its role is helpful. The editing is also really clucking good. Much easier to understand with the visual element done so well.
actually , i learned, in 2s: if there is no current threat for incoming shot on net, u shouldnt rotate all the way back to net leaving your teamm8 ? thx in advance
I have been watching youtube for more than ten years now and i never comment but i really have to give props to thanovic for being such a good explainer with well made graphics Keep up the good work this is just what the community needs
Right now I'm more of a gamesense player because I don't know a whole lot of even beginner mechanics, but I can still judge roughly where the ball is going to end up and where I should be to take advantage of that. Helped me get to Gold 3 without even learning to dribble lol which I should do asap... Anyway, this video was really helpful to shed some light on exactly why some of these things are super important and very helpful, so I will definitely remember this info!
After several other videos, I didn't really think you would be able to tell me something new. And yet managed to do it with ball side rotation. Well done, great vid!
I will be honest this is probably the highest production value video on your channel, hell maybe the best video to date. Everything was so well said and Tornados editing smashed it with the visuals.
What a timing! Yesterday I was looking for videos about rotations and I was losing a lot of games because my rotation was bad. Thanks for the video. It was perfect,
I'm having an issue with positioning. In Diamond 1 1v1s, I'm finding it's best to not challenge the ball unless my opponent is about to shoot. Instead I find it better to lead the ball (shadow defence) and keep making occasional touches on the ball in an attempt to make my opponent screw up so that I can take it safely. But I've started playing 2v2s lately. I've gotten to Diamond 3 and I've hit a wall here. I'm finding that my teammates like to challenge the ball in a 50/50 a LOT. Even if there's no chance of them even getting to the ball on time. Sometimes this works out in our favour, but more often than not it results in me having to face 2 opponents solo while my teammate is recovering and rotating. I don't know how to deal with these frequent 2v1 scenarios and what I can do to prevent them from happening. It used to be even worse when I was first man and I decided the challenge isn't worth it so I slow down to see what the opponent is doing and my teammate rockets past me to challenge putting both of us out of position. I've stopped this now by simply rotating behind my teammate whenever I decide the challenge isn't worth it. Sure it means that the opponent has lots of space to do whatever they want and nobody's defending against him, but it's better than both me and my teammate being put out of position to protect the goal from long shots. There are a few times that my teammates have said I'm useless and just sit back and let my teammate do all the work. So I decided to oblige them and challenge 50/50s unconditionally like they do and all that resulted in was my teammate ending up in 2v1 scenarios. And honestly as arrogant as it sounds, I don't think many Diamond 3s are better individual players than me. They panic too much when the ball is near the goal and they over-commit every interaction they make. Diamond 1 1v1 players feel like significantly better players than Diamond 3 2v2s in my opinion and I honestly feel like I'm a better individual player than others in Diamond 3. I just can't seem to figure out 2v2 positioning and gameplay. Too much of it seems wasteful and pointless. You say first man needs to challenge for the 50/50. But why? Why can't you just simply let them make their play and take the ball from them when they inevitably screw up? This leaves the second man free to be a fine backup if things go wrong or steal the ball if it roams free. If first man challenges for a 50/50 all the time even if he knocks the ball away from the opponent, he still might not gain control of the ball. That means the second man is forced forward into play while the first man stumbles around boostless and out of play. Often leaving the second man in a 2v1 scenario. Sure sometimes a 50/50 makes sense. But making it a rule when it should be an exception sounds stupid af.
I think a lot of people get the gist of rotation, but don't actually understand it. I was one of these people, and these tips will definitely help me improve, so thanks.
This stuff is so helpful man. Even if I'm an OK player and know most of this stuff already, refreshing my memory on it and potentially learning a little more is always great.
I'm glad all of you great RLtubers are re-making a lot of these tutorials. The amount of "knows nothing about teamplay" people even in P or D rank has risen too damn high!
What are your thoughts on cutting rotations, when for example a teammate isn't there to fill in a position? When I was lower ranked I had some problems with this issue. Would like to hear your take on that.
I know this is an old comment and you have probably already figured this out on your own… BUT if you are solo qing your goal is to control the game by playing around your teammates. If they aren‘t rotating, then there‘s no point in you rotating, you‘ll just get dunked on. If they‘re ball hogging, be defensive. If they‘re too defensive be aggressive - fill the gaps left by your teammates in order to increase your chances of winning.
I was going to ask if you would discuss whether or not there are different positions you should take based on rank and opponent skill levels and then that was the first thing you talked about lol. Very nicely done. I appreciate you getting out of your own comfort zone and addressing the players, like myself, that are less mechanically gifted but are striving to do the best they can for their team by being in the right position.
Can you make a video explaining how to rotate in the lower ranks because no one will usually rotate. What can I do to be a good “3rd man” without staying in net all game?
The main thing that helped me in 2v2 is fake challenging. I was so used to just taking a 50 whenever I'm first man (in 3v3) but just driving up and turning without going for the ball is much safer and often gives posession to your teammate while you have a better recovery
lovely video! I needed a refresher on positioning so this video is perfect. usually try to learn from the pros, but these sorts of breakdowns are awesome. cheers Thano!
Great video, most of the tuto that i wached start with talking about p1 p2 (and p3) but just saying tht rotation depend on the rank and the abilty of each player is great !
Hey, ich really love your channel. Could you do a video about backflips (better use, pro use, how to), because I searched for it on RU-vid and I didn't find any material on this. It is a prominent aspect in my gameplay and even though I'm not ranked that high, I think it can be useful even for very good players. And I can't imagine that I'm the only one of millions of players who thought about it, so what's the deal with backflips? (outside of half-flips of course)
Hey Thanovic, great video, but i think some things need to be said that should have been said. Let me share some of my constant struggles. For Example, How many times you do you see a teamate (usually 3rd) man cross the field to play the ball on the wall in the offensive zone. For example: you've just cleared the zone, and 1st car is taking the ball downfield along the wall, but the defensive team is ready to hit that ball back towards that wall again. Usually you have 2nd man playing wall back up for this play - so he can play the ball back into the goal or set up a cross field pas to 3rd man while 1st man rotates back. But often what happens is 3rd man comes across the field and essentially tries to beat his own 2nd man to the ball resulting in a double commit, and an exposed net. So i think as dos and donts on team play rotate Video would be awesome, cause its one of my biggest pet peeves to see happen in 3s rotation. The other issue i see a lot is 1st man in rotates back to 2nd position and thus cucks 2nd man, and often means a bad play from the 1st man going back to position 2. Essentially i see 3 man team play 2s rotation while 3rd man sits back waiting for when he can go in and take a touch, while the 1st 2 guys in never clear the zone. This is especially bad at Diamond/Champ level, which is sadly where i am. Lastly in 2s, the one of the biggest and dumbest moves i constantly the following scenario: 1st man plays the ball into the corner, defensive team blocks sending that ball upward into the corner. 1st man needs time to clear out, but i often see 2nd man come slamming in to force the ball back to the middle, and now you have both of you in the corner with the defensive team having a wide open field to play back against your goal. If your that 2nd man trying to force that ball back to middle, ask your self - Who are you passing to? I mean really? there's only 2 of you. You cant be going deep into the corner as the 2nd man, without seeing your teamate run back. Its just plain dumb and Selfish players that are too ball focused.