The reason why seekers only take white damage from frostner is that seekers are resistant to slash, blunt, and pierce damage but not frost damage. And the reason why frostner does white damage but mistwalker does grey damage is because that frostner does frost more than other types of damage while the mistwalker does mainly slash. The color of the damage number depends solely on the most prominent damage type. Hope that answers it
I`m finding more usefull to use 2 good stamina foods and 1 health using padded armor to absorb more damage. The high stamina is paramount to move around in the mistlands.
To add to your Frostner review regarding the "white" damage dealt, It deal white damage because the frostner due to having most of its damage as Frost Damage, that is the reference damage shown when you hit a monster, therefore when you hit the seeker and it shows white, it is a "normal damage" indicator of the frost damage. the blunt damage is secondary For the mistwalker sword, the slash damage is the main damage, therefore it shows grey damage indicator. It is not a bug, it is a technical information.
Seekers are normal damage to magic and resistance to physical damage. Thats why Frostner crushes them so well compared to other blackmetal weapons. Other magic weapons have similar effectiveness
Basically, colors indicate whether the enemy is resistant or vulnerable to dmg. Yellow = Enemy is vulnerable to this type of dmg. White = Enemy has no resistances. Grey = Enemy is resistant to this type of dmg.
Lemme address the Frostner damage showing in white. When displaying the damage, the game will calculate which damage type is most prevalent and display the color based on that. In the case of the Frostner frost is the highest damage and seekers are neutral to is so it's gonna be white. Another way to prove this is hitting a blob with Porcupine which has almost even split between pierce and blunt and see it take grey damage despite it's vulnerability to blunt. That's because the weapons highest damage is pierce which the blob is resistant to. Hope this helps
An important note: you are fighting on nice flat open ground. Fighting with Frostner on a steep grade (as is most common in mistlands since it's basically Emyn Muil) will cause swings to miss if you are slightly above or below them, yet their attacks will still hit you. Opting for maneuverability in such terrain is also a questionable choice considering it's not possible to make good use of your speed in a lot of the cramped / constricted areas you will actually be fighting in (including the infested mines).
I find frost arrows helpful in dealing with seekers since it slows them down and keeps them at a safe distance. Requires higher stamina to fire a steady stream of arrows. Good for up to 3 seekers even 1 star ones, once it goes over that, I pop the bonemass forsaken power and iron sledge everything. For seeker soldier, if I'm mining something, I will use a tower shield and have him mine for me. Once I'm done with him I throw him in a ditch I dug earlier, takes too much time to defeat him. At least until I get new mistlands gear and weapons.
@@convergence1point problem with it is the dungeons though. Both the elevation and the inability to outflank them. I used it as my go to weapon up to that point but I am looking for replacements. Plus they are resistant up front to it. You can kill the regular ones but from then on.....
The demolisher really screws these things over, one shots all ticks, and broods. Knocks about 1/2 off seekers, and stuns them. It doesn't work very well against the soldiers though. The issue really comes up when you run into 1 or 2 * versions. The 2* soldier is an absolutely monster. And you really can't parry him even w/max block, and 250 hp. I found the only way to deal w/these, is to find a high ground like he demonstrates, and just shoot them.
@@Firespark81 My plan is the same as when approaching the Plains: build, hang out on the edge, snipe and gather materials to upgrade before planting a big base. It appears (haven't done the PT) that Mistlands going to be a challenge even with maxed out black metal weapons, armor, etc. Also wondering about the Porcupine since it deals multiple damage.
@@bruces1g Sorry to say but that won't work. You need materials from the dungeons to upgrade armor. Another viable but slow strategy is heavy armor+bonemass buff. Even the brute does only 6-8 DMG per hit. In bigger groups of normal seekers you can just stand and hit back killing them one by one without hazard. The * variants are brutal. The last ** brute I just lured to the next dvergre base and they dealt with it pretty fast.
@@Firespark81 It's true, you do need a few mats. But the infested mines are night, and day easier once you get that hammer. I wish I would have created this weapon asap - it would have made some of the extremely difficult mines 100x easier.
The reason the damage values for frostner are white is because seekers are resistant to all physical damage but take normal elemental damage. Frostner’s biggest damage value comes from frost damage so the game chooses that when giving feedback to the player in the form of colored damage values. The blunt portion of the damage is still reduced due to their resistance and the spirit portion is not applied because seekers are immune to spirit.
@@TheXboxSux are you seeing the grey numbers from the initial explosion or the burning tick damage? The initial explosion doesn’t seem to actually be fire elemental damage and is instead physical with the ability to affect enemies that are resistant/immune to fire like surtlings or cultists. The burning tick damage afterward is counted as elemental fire damage and does follow the according resistance/weakness rules. If it’s grey for the first explosion, then that would make sense due to seekers being resistant to physical damage. If it’s grey on the fire tick damage, then I don’t have an explanation.
@@wallstreetjesus7142 Yeah, I just looked at the staff again and it has blunt damage so that's what the initial explosion causes. Just seems weird though. I guess they would have had to add a new damage type though and didn't want to since there's a lot of balancing probably.
The reason why Frostner deals "white" damage is because it's primary dmg type is frost, Mistwalkers primary dmg is slash thus grey even though the frost part works to 100%
One thing that I consistently see in a lot of these videos that causes me to twitch is the ideas referencing shields. The parry bonus applies to to the block armor. 2.5 for bucklers, 1.5 for round shields. Before you get your hands on a carapace buckler your best option is going to be a black metal shield. Maxed out the iron buckler hits 40 BA, or 100 total block armor before your skill bonuses. The level 1 Black Metal Shield starts at 78, for a total of 117 BA when parrying. So, early on....bucklers for the win, absolutely. As soon as you get to that stage before getting carapace gear though, in terms of shields, your black metal shield is gonna be the one to carry you. Progression(if you prefer parrying) for shields in a snippet: Bronze Buckler --> Iron Buckler --> BMS --> Carapace Buckler.
Also, appreciate the content --> this is awesome, you're a gentleman and a scholar for doing all this which is why I subbed and like all the vids. Another thing I thought of since this vid was posted: Before the balance update, the parry stun lasted a lot longer, they are much quicker off the draw now, so watch out for that Vikings!
Right, I was wondering about the same thing. This is also what I know but I am still wondering a tiny bit if maybe bucklers have a small bonus to timing or stagger that isn't mentioned anywhere.
I know this video is for when you're *approaching* the Mistlands. However... Once you get the resources for it, the Himminafl wins all battles, hands down. Can't change my mind. I love that thing. You can handle huge crowds of enemies with it. The Demolisher is great for a backup to cheese fights too. Skoll & Hati get an honorable mention for having out while you run around. They're fantastic for keeping out at all times, because they don't slow you down, and you can parry pretty much any attack, even seekers. I especially love them for the plains, because they're super fast for parrying and taking out Deathsquitos. You can parry a Seeker and take it out in two to three rapid hits with Skoll & Hati. That's pretty much my weapon layout: Skoll & Hati, Himminafl, and Demolisher. Spine snap for range, obviously. I haven't even cared to go for the magic much yet, because this layout destroys everything. I'm only leveling up my magic skills in preparation for The Queen, because magic is pretty much required for her. Outside of skill leveling, I don't really use Eitr.
Thanks for the info. It will really help when I get to diving into that misty hell-scape filled with some of my worst nightmares... Though it looks like I might want to stock up on the frostner mats with my new character before the update drops to live because I haven't gotten to Yag yet.
NEVER use iron for arrows. Iron is an important building material throughout the whole game. There's better arrows that don't use a non-renewable resource (eg. Frost, Fire, etc)
This guide is kinda dumb. 3x health food to then go and do a light armor, kite build. I always felt like obsidian is easy to get, and can be teleported. I usually left a mini base in the mountains I can pop back when i need more, but needles aren't that hard to get either.
Why would you use iron arrows when they're expensive to make with a material that's not really renewable and when needle arrows are available and do almost 50% more damage?
@@rh840 Fair point! I also like the needle arrows because it's easy to see where they land and it's easier to adjust my shot for misses but maybe that's just a skill issue.
The best advice I got is aggression. They stun easily so you can trade a hit and keep pressing for a stunlock and bonus damage. Always have an aoe weapon handy for kiting swarms of them. They arent bad so long as you keep your stamina up
Firespark! Seekers come mostly in Packs.... there is really no use for the fenris set which is too underpowered! And i have also not experienced that they have any problems...reaching you on high locations (jump/run lvl 100).
I mean I show you in the video they have issues with slanted surfaces and if you have your back to the wall and a good shield with lots of hp they can not knock you back and you can block for days. It's right there in the video run and jump levels have nothing to do with those mechanics. I think you are just doing it wrong lol. Also fenris give you speed even walking so you can easily just walk out of their attacks. It is very much NOT under powered.
@@Firespark81 I'm not sure if you always find the right conditions on the fly/biome travelling. Proof of concept - yes i have seen it. Exploit gaming = mistlands. That's not what it should be, i still hope the devs fix that. When i'm prepared - I'm still faster in a fight to deal with multiple enemies at the moment. Running away, doesn't mean that there is no danger on/near the cliff (freshly spawned).
You can what if all day m8. The purpose of the video was to show mechanics that people could use to help them in fights. That's what I've done here. The rest is up to the player.
@@Firespark81 its a good video, but people are giving you more food for thought, other good strategies that also align with weapon dmg/strats/food etc. Nothing wrong w that.
Hammer time. Only downside to relying on the AOE hammers is the swing time, in which the enemies have a great opportunity to stunlock you with rapid hits. But yeah, the sledges and rolling are your best bet.
@@TheXboxSux man this is PC where we have keys for days, when are they going to let me bind it to it's own single keybinding... This combo keys stuff is BS, ugh.
Demoing fighting with mods by summoning creates outside of their biome isn't a very practical demonstration. You used a completely different technique when you were actually fighting in the mistlands instead of the ones you summoned in the meadows.
I was showing you mechanics of their attacks and how to deal with them in different situations. Everything from one on one to cheesing packs. If you don't have a group of players cheesing is your best option for packs. If you can't put all that together from watching the video I'm not sure what to tell you.
@@Firespark81 you said kiting them is the way to go with multiples, then didn't demonstrate kiting in the mistlands, because you can't really do that there.
Great advice, until the first cave I discover is guarded by a 2-star Seeker who proceeds to shred through my shield, armor and health no matter which combination I use, lol.
I fought a 1-star Seeker Soldier the other day, with maxed Black Metal Shield and Bonemass. It was a tough, long fight but I managed to kill it. I dont think I've faced a 2-star tho. Does parry works at that level?
@@BloodwolfTico I went back and maxed out my Fenris armor, and now I don't have any problems facing off against Seekers or Soldiers. The manuverability of the Fenris and stamina makes all the difference in the world. Before I was trying to use padded or shell armor, but wasn't have much luck. Fenris + Feather cloak is god-tier stuff!
@BloodwolfTico just an aegis like a tard. I'm new to mystlands , all my old save locations were barren due to previous explorations so I had to do some deep ranging to find populated mystlands :( using linen armor, no shield. Thoe video taught me a lot, I took down that 2* and a few other bugs using water to abuse ai lmao. Currently in a raid for the first time
dude just use ooze bombs on normal seekers you can just kite them around even with just walking while watching their hp tick down because of ooze bombs poison attack also its ooze bombs are perfect when its more than 1 seeker because ooze bomb are area effect and it only takes 3 ooze bombs to kill seekers just walk around while waiting for the 1st ooze bomb effect to wear out then throw another ooze bomb but when it comes to seeker soldier you can just kite them around on high place and rain down arrows with them just make sure to hit their butts
cant get behind the brutes in the dungeons in mistlands, but theyre kind of dumb so they usually get stuck in doorways and you can shoot them with arrows.
Good video. I have thoughts. First off, parry is super effective against the seekers and the soldiers. The soldiers are super easy to parry, with either special attack. And both of them are weak from the rear. So the tactic that is most effective is to parry then run around back and kill. I have lots of luck with the porcupine and black metal shield. Second, I cannot imagine fighting 3 seekers as you first suggest. Running around that much in the mistlands will kill your stamina, and you are likely to aggro more bugs with how far you demonstrated moving to dodge. Plus you cannot see the terrain, so it won't work. Last bit, try using magic. It is really the only way to thrive in the mist. And it is very effective against the seekers and soldiers. Like I said, good video, very helpful. But try these tactics and maybe there is an even better combo to run against them.
Updates on valheim don't help these how-to videos 😞 seekers all around do way more damage and are way more aggressive then a month ago. Fully upgraded padded armor has no chance against one star seekers.
@@CharlotteFarbenfroh agreed. I was used to fighting them until the last update. Then I was all thrown off and I kept dying and lost a lot of my skill. Haha
@@tyler450f yeah, I keep coming across 2 seekers and a star brute in a pack, seems to be a quick death lol. Can manage 2 but 3 is a bit much. I lost my good skill point's, sucs
I keep running into the seeker floer 2* on tiny mystland islands and getting 2 shot thru the swamp ultimate while being flung 30 yards out into the water from them flying all around me. It's infuriating
Thx for the video, but serpent meat is brutal rare. This build seems to have to much life and less armor and stamina. Won´t play this way. I equip my full upgraded padded armour and tear this seekers to pieces!^^
With 60 skill in sword and with lvl 2 Krom sword, you can parry them and one shot even a 1 star regular seeker with the heavy stab. I don't bother with the soldiers because they're so tanky and just outrun them cuz they don't fly
Exactly, I got killed 2 times by the same 2 star bug in one of the mines. The third life, I was lucky to sneak up on it and finish it off with a sword thrust. The game really punishes dying a few times quickly.
So far, almost every Valheim video I've watched today has had Porn bots in the comments. I just report and move on... Usually. But this is the 5th video in a row! So I had to say something. Oh yah, Thanks for the GREAT content!!!
@@banshee_2552 That wouldn't need a video. The Mistlands enemies will fight with literally any other NPCs from any other biomes. That's how the entire game is: NPCs from different biomes fight on sight. The only confusing "exception" to this rule is skeletons, who are actually native to the Swamps but spawn in the Forest, and thus fight with the trolls and greydwarfs. Skeletons are the only NPC that can spawn outside its "native" biome.
Seeker soldiers are the easiest insect to deal with. On a 1v1 situation they almost always headbutt twice then do a one-two aoe on the ground. Parrying the first two attacks and doing one special attack while they're staggered is probably the safest way to fight them. Also their weakness is on their bum. Duo is better against these guys.
Seekers, on the other hand, have quite the longer and faster attacks. You can parry them with a shield given that you have enough hp to not get staggered. Once you parry them, get close and do a special attack, sometimes it just takes one special attack against them. Blackmetal sword is my main weapon choice for special attack.
You can't say that creatures or mobs are "maneuverable", unless it is you who goes inside that creature and manoeuvres, or steers it around...like a car or a vehicle. What you are trying to say, is that they are very mobile, that they move around easily and freely.
I made frostner to fight yagluth in my new playthrough and when I got to mistlands I found out it worked really well compared to ALL the new weapons practically. I now don't know why i've spent days making these new weapons that don't even work very well. Magic is horrid in this game as well. The mage set bonus of 40% regen is broken and bugged. I get the same regen in my carapace armor. Mistlands has been pretty underwhelming, but that's par for the course in gaming these days.
I actually like the spear for dungeons(doesn't hit walls and has a quick ranged attack) and for quickly killing the seeker soldiers. For the soldiers it only takes maybe three parries as long as you run around and get the crit hit. I always keep the demolisher hammer on me for swarms of ticks and for knocking back seeker groups for some breathing room. Crossbow is handy for when you are forced to clear a gjall since its trajectory allows for easy crits on them and it does high damage. Other than that, two handed weapons have always been a novelty. I never used the polearms or battleaxes, so i have zero reason to think they are worth it now. I haven't used any of the magic casting gear yet. Hope this helped a little.
The new weapons are quite simply better. Maybe they seem worse to you because of your skill with that weapon type, same thing goes with magic. If you play through valheim using a mace, when you craft the new atgeir ofc its gonna be worse bc of lvl 0 skill.
The game is still in beta if you didnt know… let alone mistlands which is in public test branch lol. Not sure what you’re talking about with the mage armor, seems to work just fine
"underwhelming" he said about one of the most acclaimed indie games of the last few years, "par for the course in gaming these days" he said the year of elden ring, GOW: ragnarok, and horizon forbidden west. don't be mistaken: the opinion is certainly valid, but it reveals more about the commenter than anything else, which is that video games just aren't for them anymore. probably hasn't even consciously realized yet that it's time to move on to a new hobby.
So 5 days ago I had a bug with my client that was causing the mage armor to not regen correctly after the latest hotfix it seemed to have sorted itself out. I'm now skill 55 in magic and 40 in blood magic and realize how wrong I was about it. 20 infested mines and 3 queen deaths later I'm absolutely addicted to slinging fireballs 😂
