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@@peterkirk8510 sadly in plat+ you have enouth people who actualy can position / you have a support shutting you down or bailing them out when you try.
@@peterkirk8510I agree with your sentiment but youmight need to roam get your team ahead a bit first jf you know what i'm saying you won't be able to just dive for their adc no matter how fed he is lol you're not playing bots.
i quit playing bot side because supports become off apc or off carry roles and they would be extremely selfish everyone lost the concept of how gold works they would get a shut down and immediately throw it, or they are just clueless how to play a lane so its easier just playing hyper carrys in other rolls as long as the champions scale very well
The funny thing Is that because of level disadvantage on botside, meta Always tend to be the utility Ones (ashe) but when talking about midlane toplane we see zeri tristana lucian this Just showcase how bad snowballing doesn't work on botside!
@@EneinoCoach yeah exactly, why i transition to vayne top, yes its strong into the match ups regardless but i did it strickly because unless you are duoing bot "not with randoms" then yeah bot is ok but playing around and depending on no coms and shit in a duo lane where two people have ideal ways of playing just doesn't work just too much of a hassle to deal with communication in the game
That's exactly the issue, if you play Vayne your support needs to pick a support-type of champion, but if he picks Brand then there's going to be a gold distribution problem. You could steal kills to each other and make snowballing even harder because gold would be shared among all the players and not only on one of them, making it only harder to understand what's the win condition of the game! Many games are composed by 5 carries, but many champs (such as malphite) just do an insane job even with 3k gold behind! There should always be a champion that can statistically stay in game even when behind considering jungler can't be on both side of the map! It's like asking to play around a Irelia top and a draven thresh in the same game! Unless the enemy doesn't make a mistake, it's realistically impossible that both sides will go ahead! It's not only that! Then you find yourself with either a useless carry which could have easily played the game out by playing a less gold reliant pick!
i think adcs finally have agency in their games, i see so many people complaining that they cant 1 shot the adc in early game and its not fair. adcs are getting solo xp and getting rid of the 50 50 chance of losing lane bc of a sup diff. yall cant beat them cause whenever you are done getting solo plates and xp in mid lane and are 2 levels up you go and 1 shot the adc. playing adc sucks when my sup is getting hard diffed and i have to play under tower all game even though i win the 1v1 between anyone in the lobby. even if i win lane the top or mid laner is just infinately more powerful than me and i have to wait 40 minutes just to maybe play the game. its the season of the adc, they are finally getting their spotlight.
I think this is a very one-sided view on the issue. The current issue with ADCs in solo lanes (as usual when this happens, this is not the first time) is that these champs are simple, linear, and very uninteractive there. They have spammable waveclear that gives the continuous level advantages and big minion waves to fight in. This is a problem because bot and solo lanes play very very differently in terms of lane states. Bot lane wave management is fairly fluid - ADCs can manipulate the wave from almost any position without needing to spend mana on that. Solo lanes work very different, with both laners essentially taking turns on their push window, with turn steals / skips requiring high costs to be paid (lots of lost CS or spending large amounts of mana). ADCs are not good duelists - especially early. When they win lanes, they do so by basically neutralizing lanes and imprinting their laning pattern to the solo lane. This means that champs basically don't get to play their turns where they are supposed to be threatening. That issue compounds with the fact that the point where ADCs ARE actually very strong is level 1, which allows them to cover over their weak early game by maintaining a permanent level advantage. This is also why the most problematic item is Shiv - it's effective at denying priority. This has little to do with agency for the ADC - you are just spam shoving waves. If you actually challenged the enemy champ to a fight where they also get to press buttons you would get shred to pieces, so all you do is spam abilities on waves and then f*ck off. In the end this is fixable, nerfing Stattik and grubs will do the trick. But we will probably not see the grubs be nerfed until worlds patch (because pro staleness yada yada).
Sadly most of the nerfs they're aiming towards Will Also affect botside adc making It again a "supportive" role since they have level disadvantage. Also cant really justify upcoming Kraken nerfs.. it's w/ever riot never fixes the main issue they Just gut the problem without asking XD
It's an issue because of Marksmen invading other lanes. Yeah, I wish Marksmen felt better in Bot Lane rn, but laning against them in a solo lane is extremely unfun. If you're melee or Cooldown dependent (so almost all mid and top Laners) Marksmen are just uninteractive lane opponents. Tristana Mid just jumping on you level 2 and chunking most of your health bar is horrible. You have to either accept that's gonna happen or not get exp or farm until the wave crashes at your tower while still taking poke. Vayne Top just poking a few times every time you go for a minion and running away with Fleet Footwork, then harassing you under your tower if you try to farm. If you're melee you're always put on the backfoot if you don't get assistance from your Jungler. If you're reliant on cool downs you have to pick between using them to farm or attempt to punish them for poking you. Even if you do get a small lead from a gank you can almost never press it or rotate to exert pressure elsewhere because you can't shove a wave without losing a significant amount of health against a Marksman unless you're a Mage, meaning you blew all of your cooldowns. Not to mention that by the point you can wave clear quickly as most mages the Marksman should have Stattik Shiv, meaning they can match you anyways.
I'm only 200lp mid main but generally the way I see the reasoning to the mid meta: ADC mids are on average bad at skirmishes but they are so extremely good 1v1, have tons of sustain and don't have to use CDs or mana to push so they can just auto get priority and make it a 1v2. Also AP junglers are really good. AP mids don't get priority 1v1 against ADCs however because the meta mages have CC they have better 2v2 skirmish and gank set up. So they just play for that with an AD proactive/ganking jungler. There's of course exceptions though but generally this is the way I see it.
Things really suck right now. I main annie who is supposed to destroy ADCs. But because of how ADCs go mid now I can't beat them until the game is basically already lost or won. Especially if they buy null magic mantle and take barrier. I can't kill them with my combo, but a tristana or a zeri easily can kill me if they get to run me down and use their dashes. They should get them out of mid and top, playing against an ADC as toplaner also is like 0 fun. Unless you also play some sort of ADC, you just don't get to roam until you're very far behind.
I completly agree with your statement! I also would love to see ADC being played on botside that's why I'm making this video! Fixing just requires probably a statik removal or cost increase and some tune down if not rework on items movespeed, ghost, barrier, and all defensive layers of adcs (ZERI REMOVAL AHAHAH). Self peeling shouldn't be a thing on Adc unless you get it as a 4rd 5th item during the game. That's litterally the concept of playing adc - high damage but position based. It should be depending also on your team and how they play around your lead. I just hope they'll bring back EXP in botside so that you can finally play/carry without having to play a solo lane! Hope you enjoyed the video! Keep playing Annie it's such a nice champ!
At high elo you have this kind of strategy crop up simply because if someone gets ahead they can’t carry a game to a win. There is no autonomy on player skill, so you have to play cheese strats like this. Iswis.
Simply we lost all the will of playing for someone that we don't know. This is what coaching websites have done to the playerbase, they teach you how to grow your skill as a player but not how to be a better teammate. Ask yourself why 95% of high elo supports are playing enchanter instead of an engager or a mage.. That's because it is fairlier easier to rely on a single carry and an individual peeling him off rather than 5 carries fighting for who farms the wave. But this of course brings the risk of the said carry player to throw the game out with a mistake. I find it to be way more enjoyable to lose games with a "game sense" on it rather than having 3 adcs stealing jungle to a carry jungler like lillia or brand because they need resources!
I just wanna see if people would finally put up a nerve and tryna change the botlane meta into non maskmen / non scaling again. Bc why would someone ever enjoy playing a scaling champ into the fiesta lane where there are 2 opponents poking & diving you, meanwhile the best your sona sp could do is 100 hp heal and 1s of 30% dmg reduction.
I think mages n tanks overall do a Better job because they require less Gold Power to make the same job of an adc not counting they can take tp and even if dove they never get behind + lost chapter being cheap and easy build path you basically have no mana costs! Well for tanks you Just Need tabis and a sunfire (at best)
@@EneinoCoach Yeah I think the meta could be divided into 3 groups: Tank + Enchanter for power farm & passive scaling; Mage + roaming or counter pick sp; Early game Adc + bully sp like Pyke Naut And so the late game adcs could be picked as flex & or respond in any lane. Games would be a lots healthier & more strategic with flexible thinking like that. But it'd be unfriendlier to braindead one tricks including One class pony. And we all know how Riots always try their best to keep them happy.. Skirmisher & Assassin mains always have that VIP card available, Adcs are actually only 2nd class membership compared to them bc it often takes half a year to bring back adc "satisfactions".
why is ppl still playing 2 ppl bot? like just put the top laners bot and adc/supp to no? the drags used to be what u wanted prio for but if that changed...
That Is because of tower plating being not accessible/taking Little to no damage before minute 5. On botlane this buff on towers does not exist so it's easier to crack It and then make your support/adc stay midlane. If you do the opposite the midlane swap happens way too late in the game. If this rule wasn't existing probably we would have seen this happening.
You know what's funny? He says every solo laner plays adc in a solo lane because they are doing good there, then he says adc are not supposed to play solo in lane. You are an average adc hypocrite who's mad that he isn't the main character every game
idk if its just me but i feel like adcs just arent in a good spot right now. you have to rush an item that doesnt even have crit in order to have waveclear, delaying your powerspike by thousands of gold. adcs are super squishy too and the easiest role to counter since tanks can just build armor and even an enchanter like janna will blow you up in .3 seconds. on the topic of janna, adcs are at the whim of their support because supports are so overpowered atm while adcs are super weak so basically if you have a bad support (99% of the time u will since that role is elo inflated) its gg. adcs are incapable of carrying their team. i just wish everyone would stop picking on adc mains when in reality we are in the minority. so stop trying to gaslight everyone into thinking adcs are strong just because a couple nerds carried 1 out of 400 games ok? they just got lucky with a good team.
Part of your vision is right. But Adc is far from being bad, unless it's on botlane as I mentioned so I seem to agree with you that adc (on botside) it's not a strong role. We can't say the same on lanes where you get to freescale by buying statik and get perma solo xp with too many self defensive layers. Your damage is low because of 1st no crit item just like you said, so to counter a tank you need way more items (4-5 if not more) but this is assuming that you're playing botside AND that the enemy will pick tanks (trust me 10% of top/jungle playerbase plays tank at an high level except the current leona/naut/rell meta that we have). Anyways, nothing stops you to play an item which is not statik, especially in botside. I still feel like you could go 100% crit on botlane and you wouldn't be able to kill a malphite anyways because of how levels work full build adc lvl 14 would never shread a lvl 18 3 item malphite with randuin plated. So yeah TLDR : Armor and levels are broken + no on hit adcs in meta = perma randuin tanks = carry adc bot useless = adc bad on bot. Hope this clears everything!
@@EneinoCoachthe support straight up not being in lane ever is only 2 levels ahead for the bot laner. The bot lane as a role sucks, they should unrework the xp changes they did a while ago to bot lane that fked the balance to the point where they made marksmen this broken to compensate. It was a while ago too I think
If you want to know how broken XP really is, if you straight up do not farm a single camp as a jungler, and just perma gank, you will only be down 3 lvls to the guy full clearing. It's almost impossible to generate an XP lead, unless you are straight up running it down, and even that it is impossible to go beyond a 3 lvl gap pretty much ever, and its all because Riot just doesn't want to implement a pause feature for game and not wanting people to give up after they have to DC for like 3 minutes to restart their PC because vanguard is slowing the game down to a crawl
@@EneinoCoach nerf runes. Adc's are really safe because they run fleet, the thing that replaced overheal and second wind. And fleet ms paired with swiftness makes them uncatchable
@@satysfaction9702 i think the problem of precision tree Is that every keysyone that Is not fleet has basically zero value After lethal tempo Removal, conqueror is not an adc rune, pta works on Few adcs, so of course fleet being able to be runnable on all adcs does make it more impactful especially on sides. But other classes have way Better items and runes and synergies, you could play jax pta fleet and conqueror and grasp while i could only play zeri with fleet because no other options match my intrest. So yeah nerfing fleet would be good, but a makeup rune for MOST adc has to be created from my perspective (Kai'sa with pta Is terrible gaming experience imo and same goes for Jinx, ashe , Twitch and so on... ) so yeah High Elo Will Always prefer mobility compared to "optional increased damage output" that also needs a specific time to proc or stacking 12 times the same buff!
Apc is better then adc on botlane u can just pick a mage as an botlaner and u stomp any other adc Adc is a bad role specially the atk speed ones that got nerfed with the crit buffs And adc on top is not even that unfair when illaoi, yone, camille, Darius (ghost flash), yasuo, chogath, mundo, irelia, mordekaiser, garen just farm then tower dive, tryndamere, sett exist (all of this champs have more range than adcs or/and have op close up mechanics with oneshot while being a tank or/and hyper hp tank)
Everything you're saying Is right, crit overtuned, on hit Just not working at all unless enemy quadruple front and max hp on hit like kog, mages on bot undivable. As you're saying There are some topside champs that counter adcs, but The problem remains , ADC shouldn't be able to lane in any matchup on topside not only in hard Ones. It all started with vayne along with Ghost n' boots but at least She was somewhat diveable on 3rd crush especially if camped (watch Renek nida pair) and also later in the game. Try to do It now with statik, barrier mov speed effects on First item and so on... It surely changed a lot from previous patch notes because of all this tiny changes!
Another thing that came to my mind Is the flexability potential. How do you know if zeri Is mid toplane or adc? Keep in mind that last pick usually Is given to the top or support usually but Hey, we're talking about soloq here 😂
@@EneinoCoachim a zeri otp and adc main, recently people have been taking her from me to play mid with her. even tho they dont have the same mastery as the champ as me she gets double the value from playing mid instead of adc. it makes me very sad to see i have to swap roles just to play my favorite champ in ranked. I think they really need to nerf crit items. infinity edge and ldr are stupid broken on champs that can abuse them, and i hate to say it but nerf zeri's e cd early and buff it late. its already 18 seconds i believe but make it longer at rank 1-3. The early trades in top and mid with a much more punishing cd might make her come back bot.
@@akii8685 I love zeri aswell! I Just don't like her now because She's basically a farm-bot till minute 40 to rush 5-6 items and oneshot everyone! Objectivly Zeri has no agency before that (if we take off statik) so nerfing It might Just destroy the champion early game making her unplayable on bot once again! I think they Will never fix this problem because of how zeri's kit Is made unless they Power Nerf her meaning that She Will be bad botside aswell...
The most stupid take of the year award. Have more range than adcs are you daft? how is darius or illaoi gonna outrange any adc on top lane ? I ma do an experiment imma go on op gg and look at the top picks.
