The Unbiased Opinion  

If you're trying to sell the post-game content, the Friend Safari and hunting for mega stones isn't it. The friend safari isn't fun and feels tacked on. Hunting for mega stones isn't fun either since a guide is needed to hunt them down. Pretty much every game since Crystal has a battle tower so having it in X & Y isn't anything special. "Modern" online battling and connectivity started with Diamond & Pearl, X & Y just built on what was there. I've noticed that people who like X & Y generally have it as one of their first Pokémon games played. X & Y are not the first games I've played, I started with Ruby & Sapphire. X & Y are not just worse games, they represent the downfall of Pokémon that it has never managed to recover from.

@@theunbiasedopinion9132 I totally agree with you that most people like the generations they started on the most, but I'm a gen 1 baby and the funny part is that gen 3 is where everyone originally thought the downfall of Pokemon began. Also what I meant for online/friends for X and Y is before it, online wasn't really a main function of the game. You could go upstairs in the Poke Center and do trading/battling with friends but thats about it. I think gen 5 is where you could first do random ranked pokemon battles and that was about it for online features. X and Y introduced Wonder Trading, Friend Safari (which was not tacked on, it may seem like it in hindsight but at the time it was a main reason to add friends and try out the online features. If you had a ditto safari you were a giga chad online.), Online ranked battles became popular (IV and EV training became easily accessible in this gen where previously it was not.). Online was not just something hardcore players did to battle each other anymore, it was an integral part of the game now and it all started with X and Y. Looking back on this game now you might think oh no endgame content, but one the main focus's of gen 6 was playing online and that focus helped revive interest in the Pokemon series. Ruby and Sapphire, Diamond and Pearl, Black and White, were the 3 worst main line selling Pokemon games. X and Y did much better in sales than those games. Unfortunately it's hard to compare 1 to 1 since we never got Pokemon Z. X and Y weren't the downfall of Pokemon. The downfall of Pokemon is that we all grow up and want Pokemon to grow up with us, and it doesn't. It's a kids game and each new generation will have people who love it because it was their first generation. As well each new generation will have it's haters because it's not like the games they grew up with.

@@GregRJohnson736 It sounds like you like X & Y for the memories you had with your friends, not anything specific about the game itself. That's fine you had fun with friends or strangers, but these games are a step down from the previous games before it. Lots of people see X & Y as one of the weaker entries not because of nostalgia, but because they also noticed the dropping quality. To say it's is simply players "growing up" is being disingenuous. The director of X & Y even admitted to the missing content and drop in difficulty himself. He thinks that kids don't have enough of an attention span to play the games beyond the main game and there's no point in adding post-game content as some of the players might not see it. Pokémon was doing fine sales wise before X & Y. RS sold 16.22M. DP sold 17.67M. BW sold 15.64M. XY sold 16.45M. The interest was always there.

@@theunbiasedopinion9132 I mean I listed the reasons why it was actually pretty revolutionary and also being they basically had to remake the engine and sprites entirely moving from 2d to 3d. I'm sure it doesn't hold up today since the online features wouldn't be there and I'm guessing you were just playing it by yourself anyways. But if you don't want to read I'll stop tying to a brick wall. Kids are enjoying the current games and they will be their favorite gens growing up and they will complain about the future gens also. It's the cycle of Pokemon whether you can see it or not. If you want to stick your head in the sand and scream at game freak to make the Pokemon games the way you liked it back in your day, you'll be wasting your time but go for it. The next main line title will be just as childish if not more, so if you don't like it currently, then yikes your going to have a very bad day when the next one comes out.

Never played it.

@@theunbiasedopinion9132 you should give it a shot

@@Seifersythe Perhaps I will.

It's in the OK tier. The DLC definitely helps the game. The base game alone would be lower.

Bait used to be believable

@@roid1621 not bait. The games are 'ok' at best. Level curve is awful. Gen 4 engine is the worst in the series. Most of the Johto Pokemon available to you during the main story are absolute trash. Johto Rockets are straight up the worst villains in the series. Kanto is a laughably bare bones post game with every trainer except Red and Blue being weaker than the E4 you need to beat to unlock them. HGSS (and gen 2 as a whole) are quantity over quality. If you like them, good for you, but calling them Peak Pokemon is nothing but nostalgia blindness.

@@anthonyk3952 My main criteria for the games is the post-game content since that's where I spend most of my playtime. HGSS have one of the best post-games in the series.

@@anthonyk3952 so what's your favorite pokemon game then Anthony?

@@roid1621 personal favorite games are BW2. Are they perfect games? No, far from it. Are they the closest to what I would consider the ideal Pokemon game (level curve, team variety, and post game content)? Yes. And before you ask, I started with gen 3. I used to like and appreciate HGSS back in middle school, but trying to replay the games for the gameplay as an adult is an absolute slog for the aforementioned reasons. Like I said earlier, the games are 'ok' but are extremely flawed in ways that hinder them.