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'"The Underlying Causes of the Conflict in Northern Ireland between Catholics and Protestants." 

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Dr. Tim Conway, of Belfast, Northern Ireland, recently gave a lecture at Providence College entitled, "The Underlying Causes of the Conflict in Northern Ireland between Catholics and Protestants." (Dr. Conway is currently the Director of Programmes in Ireland for the Institute for Study Abroad (IFSA) at Butler University and also serves as the Academic Director for the Peace & Conflict Seminar in Northern Ireland for the IFSA-Butler programme at Queens University.)
The lecture was sponsored by the Providence College Center for International Studies and the Center for Catholic & Dominican Studies.

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@peterdoyle1591
@peterdoyle1591 2 года назад
This guy would give you a nosebleed.
@seanmurphy6558
@seanmurphy6558 5 лет назад
Some factual errors. Ireland was a Lordship from the start of the Norman Invasion. Henry VIII created the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542. The Battle of Kinsale was in December 1601. The clan chiefs did not own the clan property under the Brehon Laws.
@jeremygaynor2410
@jeremygaynor2410 3 года назад
Well said Sean... where did they get this fellow from!... Hes another anglophile rolling out a few versions of facts and alot of approximations and stereotypes
@eamoc
@eamoc 3 года назад
Not only that, Diarmuid MacMurrough was the king of Leinster, not Ulster. Strongbow came in 1169, not 1179. Here they only took over leinster, and swore allegiance to the OConnor, High king of Ireland. This guy is a joke...
@willleahy6958
@willleahy6958 2 года назад
And the Tudors were confirmed in the title King of Ireland by His Holiness in a Bull in 1555. Ireland's friends in the Vatican strike again.
@eamoc
@eamoc 2 года назад
@@willleahy6958 Not quite. Under the Crown of Ireland Act of 1542, it was deemed that whoever was the King of England, would also be King of Ireland. Henry VIII was King of England so...However, due to the Reformation, the papacy required all Roman Catholic rulers to consider Protestant rulers as heretics. Europe's Catholic monarchs therefore, considered Ireland a feudal fief of the papacy. It could be granted to any Catholic sovereign who managed to secure the recently established Kingdom of Ireland from the control of its Protestant monarchs. Paul IV issued a papal bull in 1555, Ilius, per quem Reges regnant, recognising Philip and Mary as King and Queen of England and its dominions including Ireland.
@willleahy6958
@willleahy6958 2 года назад
@@eamoc A fair point, but even by the pre-Grotius state of international law at the time, it was more than open-handed of Paul IV to convey a whole country (or pre-country?) as a political convenience to a Spaniard.
@donnachamcgowan
@donnachamcgowan 2 года назад
Our Country is.Called The Republic of Ireland 🇮🇪. Not Southern Ireland which some people get Confused with.???
@ShahidKhan-ke8fe
@ShahidKhan-ke8fe 2 года назад
It's actually called 'Éire' and in the English language 'Ireland'. The 'Republic of Ireland' is actually not the name of the state, just a description.
@stuartkelly3106
@stuartkelly3106 2 года назад
Have a look at your passport, and tell me where it states the Republic of Ireland.
@donnachamcgowan
@donnachamcgowan Год назад
Ulster is Irish Sovereignty President Michael D Higgins is president of all Ireland Constitutionally 🇮🇪. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN TO FOREIGN COUNTRY. IT MEANS WE DO NOR RECOGNISE BRITISH SOVEREIGNTY ON ANY PART OF IRELAND 🇮🇪..THE REPUBLIC OF IRELAND. IF YOUR BRITISH TRY NOT TO GET CONFUSED .???
@donnachamcgowan
@donnachamcgowan Год назад
@@psantini2968 we still Claim Ulster is Irish Sovereignty backstop fullstop protocol any way you want it
@liarliarliar6495
@liarliarliar6495 10 лет назад
Isn't he just saying that it's complicated, and the standard modern republican "history" is itself biased for modern political purposes?
@Nicole-rf5vs
@Nicole-rf5vs 3 года назад
Underlying problem is any backside that sits in stormont ...people are not the problem politics are..we want to live in peace they keep this stupid divide going
@patrickyoung3503
@patrickyoung3503 Год назад
I found this post a very well presented on Irish history .
@saulpaulsaul3378
@saulpaulsaul3378 2 года назад
Why is it intilects who never experienced the troubles dictating the future for real people.
@ailleananaithnid2566
@ailleananaithnid2566 2 года назад
Ironic, is it not, that you’re denigrating “intellectuals” when you can’t even spell the damned term?
@darby1952
@darby1952 Год назад
East money for someone knowing so little
@dennishibbard9808
@dennishibbard9808 Год назад
Remember Acts 1:8 Gospel Started later Rejected ME given Arian Heresy Islam, Europe Roman Catholicism
@patrickmccutcheon9361
@patrickmccutcheon9361 3 года назад
Obviously knowledgeable man but strangely hesitant delivery with some inaccuracies. Power sharing seemed to work for a while but the Brexit referendum has shown a clear division and the Brexit outcome could be bad for NI. Brexit is about English nationalism which is completely indifferent to what happens in NI or in Ireland.
@ciananmacreamoinn9253
@ciananmacreamoinn9253 2 года назад
It is ten years old though
@ProfileP246
@ProfileP246 2 года назад
No it isn’t, in Northern Ireland it’s about remaining sovereign to the UK and not to be governed by a foreign legislator
@pbohearn
@pbohearn Год назад
@@ProfileP246 the English wish to be rid of you. They don’t give a flying fuçaca about NI.
@REEDSOF9
@REEDSOF9 2 года назад
It is sad to watch this 10 years later with all the hope he had for the future of NI. Now that the UK parliament has destroyed that peace.
@erickleefeld4883
@erickleefeld4883 2 года назад
Northern Ireland had achieved a balance of some kind - and then the Brexit referendum knocked it over.
@mirafloyd5756
@mirafloyd5756 2 года назад
@@erickleefeld4883 how did Brexit affect the situation in NI?
@ProfileP246
@ProfileP246 2 года назад
What knocked it over is the fact that Northern Ireland didn’t get Brexit, we’re still in EU trade agreements.
@KeithWilliamMacHendry
@KeithWilliamMacHendry Год назад
@@mirafloyd5756 The sea border introduced by the Conservative government.
@geoffwhite7535
@geoffwhite7535 11 месяцев назад
no is SINNER FIEN and ERO BLOC
@Irish780
@Irish780 2 года назад
Never mind brexit has brought a united Ireland along nicely 👍
@donnachamcgowan
@donnachamcgowan Год назад
The tories will destroy the GFA but at what Cost ???
@liarliarliar6495
@liarliarliar6495 10 лет назад
I don't.
@keltiquewood
@keltiquewood 2 года назад
Sounds like there are about 5 people at this lecture - which rings true - it's not a great lecture!
@grianstadantsamharaidh1951
@grianstadantsamharaidh1951 2 года назад
he got his dates and province wrong at the start of the presentation
@paulduffy4585
@paulduffy4585 2 года назад
No.
@Celtic2Realms
@Celtic2Realms Год назад
First 10 minutes and as many factual errors
@AM-qn1zt
@AM-qn1zt 2 года назад
Shenanigans indeed. I have no confidence this PhD can change a light bulb without assistance.
@fintonmainz7845
@fintonmainz7845 2 года назад
If you didn't understand the origins of the sectarian division in Ireland based on Protestant/Catholic lines before you heard this you would be left none the wiser. Absolutely nothing to explain how Catholics became to be identified as Irish Nationalist and Protestant as British.
@Dechieftian
@Dechieftian 2 года назад
The fundamental causes of the seperate traditions in Northern Ireland came about primarily as a result of the Plantation of Ulster. In essence an invading foreign power, England and her colonies ( mainly Scotland and Wales) occupied the island of Ireland with an intent to clear parts of the island - the northern part of the island called Ulster - for settlement by Crown Loyalists. Attempts to clear and settle other parts of the island were made by the invaders with mixed results - but the Plantation of Ulster was the largest land clearing force and most effective. The parts of the island that the invaders wanted to clear and turn over to settlers were the most fertile and potentially profitable sections. However the Plantation of Ulster was going to cost a lot of money that the British Crown could not afford. To help with the cost, wealthy landowners and companies from the City of London were asked to provide some of the cash for this scheme. In exchange for their financial help, these companies and landowners were offered huge areas of land that had been taken from the local Irish population. The Mercers’ Company, a rich London merchant company, received up to 21600 acres of land. From their headquarters at Movanagher Bawn they controlled a lot of the newly created County Londonderry. So, in summary. Before the Plantation of Ulster you had the native Irish inhabit the island - these were Irish speaking, and the religion they identified with was Roman Catholicism. This time period was the early decades of the 1600 and it was post Reformation in England which had for the majority of Crown subjests had now switched to the protestant denominations of Church or England, and later Church of Scotland. The native Irish Catholics were forcefully cleared off their land and dispatched to poorer rocky parts of the west of Ireland. So now, you had a new landlord class in Ulster, Loyal to the Crown and the religion they identified with was Protestantism. This was a dicothomy that created the friction between these two traditions for almost another four hundred years. Being a Catholic in Northern Ireland for the most part meant that you were a Nationalist and your wish would be for the 'loyalist planters' to pack up and go back to where they came from. Being a Loyalist meant that you were both loyal to the Crown and identified with the Protestant religion in addition to making sure you held the power and control of the native Irish to the degree they usurped what they could, manipulated electoral boundaries, and in general made life as difficult as possible for native Irish citizens who lived in Northern Ireland. Hope that explains things a little better as to why there are - and remains the case today - of two very disctinct and opposite traditions in Northen Ireland.
@KeithWilliamMacHendry
@KeithWilliamMacHendry Год назад
@@Dechieftian Scotland was never a colony of England, we were not conquered unlike Ireland & Wales. We had two short periods of occupation that didn't include all of Scotland under Edward the 1st & Cromwell. The key problem for Scots was because the Scottish king Malcolm Canmore married his daughter into the Norman dynasty in England & that ensured the Normans had lands on both countries. You are however, completely wrong to state that Scotland was a colony of England, it just doesn't stand up to historical facts. We had our own distinct law, our own separate education system & our own distinct reformation the Presbyterian church, or Calvinist well before political union in 1707. We were never an oppressed people & that is one reason that the Irish & Scottish political status has always been so different.
@weobeyjesus4565
@weobeyjesus4565 2 года назад
Irish (Catholic) vs the English (Protestant) with some Irish siding with the British.
@BestFilmproducer
@BestFilmproducer 2 года назад
An important topic, for sure, as it is still going on today. The binary perspective "Catholic-Protestant" is an oversimplification, though, as English settlers (not protestant before Luther's reformation in 1517) came in and owned land in Northern Ireland as early as 1169 when Henry II assumed rule, thus starting an 800-year British rule, which was only slightly lessened by the Act of Union in 1801.
@jajanesaddictions
@jajanesaddictions 11 лет назад
IF YOU DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO THE "JOKE", THEN DO NOT REPEAT IT~! so he repeats the "joke" he doesn't approve of.. omgggg
@geoffwhite7535
@geoffwhite7535 2 года назад
crap, is wall, hope boarder again. stick your `good friday agreement up` HARD BOUDER
@liarliarliar6495
@liarliarliar6495 10 лет назад
Ireland is "mixed up" with the ethnic Scottish, they're the problem - not the English. When southern Ireland became independent, the reisdent English in Dublin simply stayed on and became Irish. To this day, a substantial portion of the population of the Irish republic are ethnic English -with zero conflict. For all that England has done in Ireland, we haven't murdererd 90% of the natives. Our American friends might wish to remember that, and spare us their one-eyed moral superiority.
@cooldaddy2877
@cooldaddy2877 2 года назад
describe "substantial"? The English population in Ireland is very small. How can you say that England "havnt murdered 90% of the natives"? England has murdered or send abroad, more Irish than are living today. Cromwell had a scorched earth policy. Before An Gorta Mór the Irish population was well over 8 million. After ten years Ireland had lost at least two million. England has a cheek to look at the US and point fingers.
@seanmagee5669
@seanmagee5669 2 года назад
@@cooldaddy2877 Well said.
@cooldaddy2877
@cooldaddy2877 2 года назад
@Charlie@78 sorry, who is the Yank? Me?
@cooldaddy2877
@cooldaddy2877 2 года назад
@Charlie@78 Well Sir, you assume wrong.
@stevendenny7260
@stevendenny7260 2 года назад
@@cooldaddy2877, there are sources that have the pop. of Ireland at around 10-11 million. The simple fact is that we don't know the numbers... only that millions died and millions were forced to emigrate.
@mrsuperger5429
@mrsuperger5429 2 года назад
Irish Catholics were never going to accept the new State of Northern Ireland, which began in 1921, and never wished to find peace with their Protestant neighbours. Protestants south of the border in the new Irish Free State, however, kept their heads low and got on with life.
@LOGOS422
@LOGOS422 2 года назад
The Northern state was too big. The loyalists got too greedy. Fermanagh/Tyrone, Derry city, South Armagh, South Down should have always been in the Republic.
@Irish780
@Irish780 2 года назад
You have no idea what your talking about I live in the Republic there is absolutely no problem with religion here it's just the northern Ireland where the English took over
@graydomn
@graydomn Год назад
Actually a great deal of the Protestant population in the Republic left in the years after the Great War.
@taintabird23
@taintabird23 11 месяцев назад
@@graydomn They were were already leaving in great numbers from the time of the disestablishment of the Church of England/Ireland
@tomtomftube
@tomtomftube 7 месяцев назад
ITS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION ITS ABOUT IMPERIALISM CLAIMING IRISH LAND
@Cloud-fp2mb
@Cloud-fp2mb 9 месяцев назад
The conflict in Belfast was "in 2 square miles" - absolute rubbish. Stopped listening after that. He knows nothing about the North of Ireland despite his educated accent.
@geronimorex3608
@geronimorex3608 2 года назад
Details of Irish history are not this fellow’s strength. He is essentially an amateur dabbling in Irish history. Probably read a few Wikipedia pages and has the brass neck to present his potted (and frequently inaccurate) history on RU-vid. Rather embarrassing, but these sorts of BS artists make a good living in small American universities. I suspect that he has no scholarly record in publishing Irish history. But that little English accent goes a long way. Good for him, he probably spent his small honorarium on some English jams and jellies that he bought on Amazon.
@carmelmulroy6459
@carmelmulroy6459 Год назад
What do you expect? Him to go into detail about Cromwell and his gruesome exploits ? What would be the point?
@joprocter4573
@joprocter4573 9 месяцев назад
Stop programming kids the aphreid faith schools let Ireland heal.
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 2 года назад
As long as the irish claim hegemony over Ulster there can be no lasting peace. Just admit Ulster is a separate nation and 2 states in the minimum required for a peaceful island of ireland.
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329
@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 2 года назад
How many counties in Ulster?
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 2 года назад
@@theressomelovelyfilthdownh4329 Geez, just use your fingers (as the actress said to the bishop)
@jackietreehorn5561
@jackietreehorn5561 2 года назад
@@asanulsterman1025 gerrymandered ulster was because they knew they would not have a unionist majority...a protestant state for protestant people but thankfully those days are long gone
@asanulsterman1025
@asanulsterman1025 2 года назад
@@jackietreehorn5561 Geez, what are you wittering on about dear?
@jackietreehorn5561
@jackietreehorn5561 2 года назад
@@asanulsterman1025 a silly little primate you are
@tomtomftube
@tomtomftube 7 месяцев назад
Imagine saying to an American or an Englishman "oh you can chose to be american / english in your own country" Im Irish , Im Gaelic , I have no choice in my ethnicity or blood or nationality, outsiders divided my country , Gaelic ireland is ancient and older than unionists 400 years, I cant be british or northern irish , IM IRISH AND IRISH ONLY , the conflict is about territory NOT religion. Antrim is Irish territory, Armagh is Irish territory , Derry is Irish territory, Down is Irish territory ,Fermanagh is Irish territory, Tyrone is Irish territory . The unionists have a right to be british in Ireland but they had no right and still have no right to claim the land and everyone in it is British,the unionists have ALWAYS been the minority they are a produce of british imperialism not british democracy.
@leonlevinsky8194
@leonlevinsky8194 4 года назад
Just as a heads up, guys. The affected London accent, the effete manners, the lush mane of hair, all this is done as compensation for a fairly middling and unimpressive life, of only a middle class salary. There are union plumbers who with overtime make more than this putz, I’d wager.
@ciananmacreamoinn9253
@ciananmacreamoinn9253 2 года назад
😆who got up your backside.....I found it an interesting synopsis
@AM-qn1zt
@AM-qn1zt 2 года назад
It's deeper than that. First you have to understand what a PhD is. It is a student which has the favor of thier instructor, who are given funds to promote the agendas of thier university. Typically it means the University helping the student publish a book supporting the instructors stance on an issue. Remember, it is the winners who wrote history, not the murdered. There are places in the UK that if you went to a Catholic school, the best job you can get is to be a truck driver. Vice versa, in Catholic areas, protestants are still called foreigners. Unfortunately, the hate is still real, and these universities do thier part to keep it going.
@jeremygaynor2410
@jeremygaynor2410 3 года назад
Derry was an irish village on the foyle BEFORE the Londonderry project ... this presentation is sloppy dismissive english middle class approximation.
@johnbrendanoneill1029
@johnbrendanoneill1029 2 года назад
Irexit
@markmagill6981
@markmagill6981 Месяц назад
Blah blah blah......id rather stick pins in my eyes , rather than listen to Dr Dim Tim....
@jajanesaddictions
@jajanesaddictions 11 лет назад
Isn't that just like a Brit, blame the victim, the Irish.
@Jim54_
@Jim54_ 2 года назад
How Protestants and Catholics, two groups of people who worship the same god, same Jesus and use the same bible, don’t get on, just baffles the mind
@kieransavage3835
@kieransavage3835 2 года назад
It’s all about Land and identity.The English occupation of Ireland and the uneven and unfair distribution of Land.
@kieransavage3835
@kieransavage3835 2 года назад
How many wars in Europe besides WW1 and WW2. ????
@donnachamcgowan
@donnachamcgowan 2 года назад
Sovereignty is the.problem Ulster is Irish Sovereignty backstop fullstop Nothing.else will.suffice.
@patriciag6030
@patriciag6030 2 года назад
The Northern Ireland conflict has nothing to do with religion.
@conorledwith530
@conorledwith530 2 года назад
Do you not know the history???? You idiot
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