I was looking forward to a video on pronation! While I was waiting, I was wondering what you were going to talk about and I came to the same conclusion. I realized that the way most people train pronation is from a supinated to pronated positon-basically dynamically-and that is not how an armwrestling match happens most of the time. A common example is a toproller against a hook puller: when the toproller gets their pronation taken, the match is usually already over or the match turns into a hook battle. Things like where John will dynamically pronate through the cup using the can opener technique is not common and is a special case. Most of the time the toproller will win by keeping their pronation throughout the entire match and by peeling open the opponents finger and wrist through their backpressure/hammer curl strength. I was trying to prove this hypothesis or at least try to observe some professional arm wrestlers who might think similarly, and I came across Irakli and Levan. Not the best examples I guess because they are probably top tier not only because of training but genetics. But still, something I noticed through trying to watch their training is they almost never have any dynamic pronation involved. Their pronation came from static backpressure lifts where the towel or strap was through their pronation in the palm. Otherwise most of their training is biceps, backpressure/hammer, and wrist flexion. Anyways, I’m glad you made this video so I could feel more confident in my thoughts. I will still train my rising and pronation dynamically, but only with lightweights and for recovery. I’m going to try implementing static pronation training and see where it takes me. Great video
I train dynamically and statically. I'll start with a weight I can dynamically rep 12 times, from supination, and increase the weight until i can no longer do that. that weight is the start of my fully pronated statics, and i continue to increase the weight till my 1 rep max. the whole process is around 6 - 8 sets.
Just the video I was looking for! I'm literally sitting here training my pronation dynamically and something felt off to me through my own intuition alone. Your video helped me decide that from now on 90% of my pronation training will be static. You're my new favourite Armwrestler and content creator! Keep up the great work and the climb to elite status brother.
Can you make a video about your riser? I would like a detailed video like this one about when to engage your riser and went to dump it depending on your style and your opponents style
I can tell you this is very accurate!!But try to do the same thing but put something between the tiny belt wrapped in the thumb and the thumb itself,in that Way you will have more leverage and you will train statically your pronation in the starting position.If the distance between the belt and the torso of the hand get bigger it becomes more rotational force than hammer ones.Not my idea but Mr.terzi’s one.i stole it and applicate to yours.Amazing video anyway!!
Static training is great but in order to have the strongest static possible one ofc needs to develop the muscles involved maximally. And thats only gonna happen with lots of dynamic work
Dynamic work is grate for recovery and development of the muscle but to build up the strength that you need the most in a match you need to train it statically 😊
@@rinomasic7274 nope...Voevoda trained in both way to order to be able attack by dynamic development and defense by static....also this cables and ropes not mimics vell the human arms in opposite...because they attack your wrist or hand just on one point without change the angle of force....basically just just a vector training.....dumbells better for hook or pronation also for back pressure....this is why Levan have iron wrist......try to pronate and curl a 50 kg dumbell as you sitting on a bench and your elbow fixed to your abdominal....that will force you also to use backpressure.....or use 2 green 70 kg ressistance band for it.....this one move will mimic better the armwrestling than any other...and develop better wrist raise and pronation if you start with palm facing you in start and facing away from you at finish.......or palm vertical , hammer at start......just center position....
@@krisztianmezei888 you think you know more than a 18yo world champion phenom? i agree about the facts that you said but armwrestling NEEDS static movements.
@@aparnachauhan4540 One way is Devon's low cup multispinner lift. The key is to think about clamping your pinky and ring finger and raising the back of your hand into the pink and ring finger of your opponent. You can also take a sledge hammer and levitate it off of your shoulder with it oriented where it's hitting your bottom two fingers and wrist dumping ability.
What is the other method where we drag the elbow behind on the pad to apply back pressure?, is this technique you showed more effective or the former one?, thanks.
I really like this way of training pronation, thank you. A couple of questions , do you always keep your wrist neutral or slightly flexed? Is it useful to do it with a kickback? There's a reason why doing it in a posting style and not dragging?
Agree but in my opinion only for this style of toproll. If you perform a toproll with more side pressure, like John does, your pronation Is crucial to open the opponent hand. And you Will Need others type of exercise. What do you think?
Yes, but that doesn't change the way you should be training it, on its own pronation can't do anything, it requires the help of your hammer to open the hand, wrist and fingers of your opponent 😊
You are wright that isolated pronation we can use only for stabilize our wrist and not for opening opponent's hand. Personaly, I do pronation move when training only in isolated way. I pronate only my wrist and do not use other parts of my hand to help. Without strong brachioradialis muscle pronator doesn't work.
can you also do this by putting your hand just out of the table whith your forearm resting on the table and hanging the weight around thumb for pronation and over fingers for rising. So only your hand is loaded. Not your forearm. It's very isolated but with no movement. Or is this with loop around you the best way?
I think that it is better with the loop around you. If I understand correctly, you are saying that we can put our forearm on the side of the table so it is more isolated (correct me if I'm wrong). I think that might be more painful than doing it with another loop around you. Doing it like this also simulates a bit of the movement that you would have with your body while arm wrestling 🙂
Question for you in the starting point in a match. If your opponent is able to easily cup you does that mean that their is stronger than my pronation? Before I can pull back and use engage my back pressure they put me on my palm. What is the best training to prevent that?
Good question. It doesn't mean that their cup is stronger than your pronation, thay can just be faster at the start of the match than you. To counter that you need to have a stronger hammer, the hammer is the key to opening and countering the cup of your opponent 😄
Man one question. I have the same mazurenko arm wrestling table. Where did you buy the extract with the rope which you can screw to the table and train back pressure like on video?
I saw some of your hand n wrist training videos..is that all u do?or there's still lot of variety you're doing?and is the training volume the same for bigger muscles such as hammer curl biceps curl and smaller muscles like fingers and wrist?
I do a few more exercises mainly for the strength of my wrist, so I do it with big weights and low reps 😁 and yes the way you train big and small muscles says the same
I have a question..my pinky and ring finger always got open up when i try to go into hook makes my hand vulnerable..is there a specific exercises to strengthen it?if you watched rustam's grip vs prudnik in top 8..thats how my grip looks like..but worst..i hope u can show me some solution
That is a common problem people have but don't worry, if you look at my "Testing My Limits" video you will se a exercise called "Hook Cup" that is a great experience exactly for that 😊
i dont understand, this is only training whatever muscles, back, glutes etc you need to move your entire body back? youre taking way from any rising/hammer or whatever because you just pull your arm along with your back movement? this seems backwards
That Is basically what Devon has figured years ago only that you dont need to do crazy motion backwards like you do but move the weight even 2 inches to get the work done.
