The Unity Drama (A Dev's Perspective) 

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We've all been waiting for GODOT.

ah I just realized the name lol

​@@muhwyndhamsorry. What does that mean?

​@@DAB009 "Waiting for Godot" is a name of a famous play. google it... spoiler: Godot never arrives.

He is also the one that called game devs "f-ing idiots". That guy is unemployable and he should be fired. This charging fee could end unity itself. So out with him.

Now it makes sense, thanks lol

Weren't Unity acquired by a financial company a while back ?

ah it was a mobile company : In August 2022, AppLovin made an unsolicited offer to buy Unity in exchange for $17.54 billion in an all-stock deal". But another spice fact came up : Unity's CEO Sold Company Shares Before This Week's Unpopular Announcement

He also sold like 2.000 of his shares last week before announcing new pricing model. Looks like market manipulation, this guy should rot in jail

Unity: "There's no possible way for you to calculate how much the costs will be, just trust us that we charge you correctly...": EU Law: "Tell me more..."

There's also no possible way for me to control what happens on my computer and what telemetry goes out of it

@@realmimak Ofc, there is. Look at Glasswire or Fiddle.

Thanks captain

@@mikopiko pretty sure that was sarcasm

Bro dont give ideas to Amazon

yeah, don't spark ideas like that man. Framer, webflow... all of the "I'm a designer" no code tools have that per traffic pricing and it is ludicrous. I'm from a third-world country where global solutions like these don't make sense due to the insane pricing. I feel like technology itself is a way of enslaving the poor and enriching the rich in the modern world, I can't express how much respect I have towards companies that have different pricing in different countries and people who contribute to open source works, we work with those to give colors to future generations (children) and paint a picture for the present.

dont they? user visits your page -> trigger request to aws to s3, db fetching etc. -> cost you money

Isn't that already a thing with AWS Lambda?

@@Lalit-yw2tb Theo was referring to another per user fee on top of AWS service fees, which is what Unity is doing

Have you tried Unreal Engine?

Still learn unity. Use the editor and engine to learn c#. C# is a very important language and can help you dip your toes into C++ and C eventually. Just don’t release titles on unity. If you want to release a 2D game use godot since it can use c#. For 3d games go with unreal since it uses C++

Same for me. Started using it 12 years ago when I was in highschool. I enjoyed using it way more than Unreal

this level of betrayal is unheard of.

same here

Imo the only way that it could work is if the CEO gets fired or resign while also assuring devs that this will never happen again. But even then, I'm not sure it would be enough.

@@jbeaudoin11 yup, I hope this happens. Nothing else would make me calm about the company's state. With this irrational idiot in charge Unity is sinking ship.

@@jbeaudoin11 Yeah firing that CEO, denouncing him instead of ("Our CEO has voluntarily stepped down") bs and reversing this awfully greedy and corrupt pricing scheme is the only chance Unity has. Failing that, they are finished.

Yeah, I was planning on getting into gamedev. Was studying Unity... time to pivot. Feels like I dodged a bullet.

It's like... waking up with one's crazy girlfriend standing above you with a knife. Nobody "trusted" Unity before... - people in general just didn't think they would go THIS level of crazy. _Longwinded way of saying - I agree!_ :D

Except godot is just plain terrible.

@@richardwhite6062 Terrible but improving is better than getting fcked over by unity knowing that tomorrow will be a little worse than today.

@sleepymarauder4178 but its not even thast bad. Game prices will rise with inflation. Thats whats happening here. Thats why they do it. Cuz supporting that ecosystem of games is getting more expensive.

People will also flock to the HAVOK engine as well.

Unity is MUCH more flexible than Unreal Engine and can make a large variety of different games. On the other hand, Unreal Engine is mostly for 3D extremely graphically intensive FPS/TPS. Different market.

We have seen it happened to Adobe, Autodesk and Unity. It will only be a matter of time before Epic Games start to capitalize on their win against Unity and other big 3D game engine companies, by increasing their prices in the future

Thankfully Godot exists, and with Unity out of the way Godot will now become Unreal's main competitor.

I mean thats every corporation ever for you (especially when theyre public) Dunno why people are still surprised by that sort of stuff. They NEED to be constantly on edge against their competitors in order to actually offer a good product... which was something unity wasnt, or rather, wasnt feeling like it was. And Id also blame it on a lot of the more elitists users who never even bothered to give other engines a chance... and on certain companies which also put all their eggs into the same basket. Its always a loss for everybody when it comes to this

this this this. Amazon was once upon a time the best place to be a buyer, then it was the best place to be a seller, and now it's just the best place to be amazon. They operated at a loss for years in order to kill off all competition. This is just an example of using sheer capital to strongarm an industry, which is a very established practice.

And Brotato

People should make more 3D games in godot

@@stickguy9109 yeah, all it takes is adoption. As more people tinker and push it to its limits, Godot will only improve. The game industry needs this now more than ever.

@@stickguy9109 Cruelty Squad is probably the most famous of the 3D Godot games, but it's also weird as hell.

Yeah, that was Dani

Godot is like an overlly excited little dog with his tail swinging everywhere, that only want to make game with you when you come home.

...unless you want to stick to C#... 💀

​@@triplezgames3882You can use C# with it.

@@triplezgames3882 It exists an official Godot Engine NET version with C# support. Also all the docs have a GDScript, C# and C++ examples well documented

Imo its cuz theyre actually consistent with most of their design decisions... unlike most game engines. Take nodes and resources for example. You use them for literally everything (even for the whole engines interface). Simple as that, no need for special cases and exceptions here and there And thats kinda ironic coming from an engine thats built by a million of different random people lol

Same boat, this is essentially because web dev is so demanding that is very likely that you will get employed for that as your first interaction with the professional world as a developer. But I really love game development. It's true that it's rough for game developers and it's often said that they are overworked, but to be honest, I don't think they can overwork me more than what I'm experiencing right now, so might as well do what you like you know? Do you have a plan on moving towards game development professionally?

@@nicosoftnt I understand what you mean regarding being overworked, and I do to a certain degree agree with jumping over if you have the option of taking the leap. Back in 2016-2017 is when I first touched anything code related, and out of pure stubbornness I managed to beat my head against the wall and produce a couple Android games over the span of roughly a year. Both made in Unity. I've casually learned more programming since then, but never even considered the web world, really, until I got so tired of my grocery store job that I started opening up to the idea of a development job outside of games. Now don't get me wrong, I find a lot of stuff in web development really fun as well, and I've learned plenty of things - but it just doesn't fulfill me creatively in the same way game development does. So to answer your question: I very much plan to move into game development professionally if my circumstances allow it. I'm not too keen on working in a bigger team, but solo game development or a small team sounds extremely fulfilling. Summarized, I like to think of the sterotypical question: "What would you do if money wasn't a problem?" And the answer is go hard on game development. If you feel burnt out in web dev and you have the option (and want to) take the leap over to game dev, go for it! I'm rooting for you. :)

This is a stark reminder for us web devs that if we are working with any third party tools, we need to build software that is as decoupled from the tools as possible. That way if we need to switch tools, roughly 90% of our code is reusable.

this is technically a misquote. Unity's CEO never actually SUGGESTED charging a dollar to reload a weapon in battlefield, it was a hypothetical example for using ingame tension and stress to push sales of convenience based p2w microtransactions in the middle of a game. Still, the practice he was advocating is incredibly shitty.

Please, Dont have Apple of all companies having control over Godot.

As long as they keep that CEO, the company is screwed. They should fire and sue him. He sold Unity stock the day before the new pricing announcement. That's insider trading, he should be locked up.

one thing that piss me off, is that we cannot just say. "?". And then ask Unity why they do this, and then try to have a conversation from there. Instead we rage and put out all kind of 'bs' we can think of. While Unity is like... but we did it for... x reason. While every kid just scream in the air as loud they can.

@@scratchy996 as much as I dislike Riccitiello he only sold 0.06% of his stock with those 2000 shares which wouldnt be considered insider training in a court and is largely not the case. But he sucks don't get me wrong.

Unity jumps around a lot, 10% isn't much, and it has fallen from $200 to the $30s in recent years.

That's why we gotta vote with our wallets, and our tech stacks

The real shame is they chaging nules for worse and retroactively. We never know what they are going to come up next, always breaking the implict social contract like this. It is like a girlfriend that out of blue says: "I have decided we are in a open relationship, fyi: It started 5 years ago!"

This probably originated right at the top. Their current CEO was CEO of EA when they started their microstransactions.

I understand wanting to increase revenue, but they should have just added revenue share like unreal

Sadly, this looks like the standard MO for the Games Industry regarding monetization, only that this time it is affecting developers instead of players. Well, thinking about it, this will affect both.

@@0skuro Games like Vampire Survivors and other small hits will just disappear over night, January 1st will be a proverbial doomsday for a lot of developers even if everything is turned back. Itch and other indie game platforms will become barren as users will stop development outright instead of gamble what might or might not come to haunt them later. Cult of the Lamb, Rogue Genesis, and other developers have began giving notice that it might just be the end.

Really? They seem to be pretty good at it from my experience.

The whole rendering pipeline bullshit going on for years is a good example at how great they are at being chaotic.

It’s flutter for gamedevs. Keep liking getting punished /s

They do this like every week. 😂

I can imagine how you feel. I have been learning Unity for 2-3 years now and started my first game project around 6 month ago. Still, I'll probably switch to a different engine.

Make sure no one on your team updates the unity editor after it takes effect if you want to go that route. But that also means you won't get any new updates until you agree to the new terms. Even if you don't update, they'll probably just have a frivolous lawsuit. There's also practically 0% chance they're going to compensate you for education. Not trying to be a jerk, but that's most realistically what will happen

I am in the same boat as you. I chose Unity over Unreal because of the vast number of resources available to learn the engine. Now here I sit 3 years later looking for a new Engine to learn all over again. 3 years wasted.

Same here, I will finish my project in unity I can't switch at this point, but I'm starting to learn unreal on the side, I'm done with unity after this.

Jesus Christ! all that education and then all the tutorials out there on RU-vid, Udemy, etc. This is a real category 5 💩storm

Same here Been trying to get into defold because of Lua But its not great for 3d stuff

You can always use another game engine with C# support. Godot's is pretty good.

There's flax game engine too along side Godot and Stride

Same, that's been on my backlog to do as well. Unity is off the list, Godot is definitely gonna be on my radar now. I also heard Godot's game architecture embraces a similar pattern to MVC which should feel familiar to us web devs.

@@OzzyTheGiant I've made games in both Unity and Godot before and they're almost exactly the same when it comes to how the engine is structured. I don't know how you would use a MVC pattern for game engines, but it's definitely not in Godot. Godot uses more of a component tree. Everything is basically a node, there is gonna be a root node and you can attach child nodes and to those child nodes you can attach more child nodes. I guess it's more like React components if you think about it.

yeah but epic is the worst publisher ever. Very shady, china owned, no buy.

​ @kiddhkane Tencent has a 40% stake - that is interesting. Tim Sweeny controls Epic and others own 60%... still, good to keep an eye on and be careful - and yet - there's tons of US-China business partnerships (with Tesla, Apple, you name it - like, many favorite board games...) - it's mostly for making money, I assume, but yeah, not ideal.

​@@kiddhkaneSo just because a chinese company has a large stake it is automatically shady? I believed what you people were saying for years and yet epic has not done anything to actually be shady. Just say you hate chinese people and that is the only reason.

So if you are a car company, you will switch to plastic when steel price is up? Betrayal! I already designed my car in steel. What about price your game higher? What’s the logic here?

@@CapitalistDream But it's only just one steel company who's management keeps destroying their own business, first by abandoning Gigaya and now this, since other's still have their prices in control, so it's better to switch suppliers now, than going down with a sinking ship. Because we know what motivates the management, and it's definitely not innovation and the organic growth that comes with it. Expect more moves like this.

Also remember that China (CCP) owns Epic

Lmao no they don't@@artoodiitoo

​@@artoodiitoo Hey, got a source? Believe that's a false rumor. [Edit - cut out the "What the hell..." dramatics - no need for that, I guess. Your comment just surprised me.]

Good to be a skeptic, but keep in mind that the Epic Games Store is just an alternative to... STEAM and others that are hugely dominant. These super friendly dev and player policies are the only reason the Epic GS can exist at all. Pretty sure Amazon and Google both failed at setting up a viable game service, while Epic, with its game-dev roots, has pulled it off.

ok, googled it - Tencent has a 40% stake, which is significant, something to keep in mind, especially if you're chatting in game about foreign policy or trade secrets... uh, you probably shouldn't do that on a game platform - but still - Tim Sweeny controls Epic and others own 60% - and if we don't like any US-China business, we'll have to throw out a big chunk of the US economy right now, unfortunately.

Yeah that reeks of pyramid scheme vibes

Godot seems to have both of those. I'm checking it out myself, maybe someone with experience in the engine can give a better insight.

Raycast

Switch to an open source engine, or one that uses C#. Transfer as much code as you can, and see if you can get your assets converted for import to another engine. Don't give up!

are you making a 2d or 3d game? Compared to unity godot is much easier to learn for beginners it takes 1 week to learn how to change animations make the player move add enemies progress bars and add tilemap/tileset in 2d If you know how to make 2d games in godot 90% of the stuff you learned can be used in 3d

@@OzzyTheGiant Thanks for the suggestions! That's what I'm planning to do now.

@@RosalinAntonova I'm making a 2D top down shooter like game. I've already added features like guns, shooting, some recoil features, dashing, enemy ai which has features like shooting, following the player (with unity ray casting and I'm still working on this) and also basic UI elements like player health and stuffs. I'm looking into godot btw. How do you think the change of plans might effect my game? I'm using the personal version and "was" aiming to launch it as a web game.

unity is from 2004 and godot from after 2010....so .... Still small hobby games are nothing when you compare people making massive game like genshin impact

@@hoho7029 Hey... thanks for the info. Did not know which one came first. But I am pretty sure that the tech between the two engines is not that different. What IS different is the availability of ready-to-use resources. From what I understand Unity's asset store is quite good for small teams. Godot does not have that.

Birtday cards ? really man ? Oh come on get something expensive next time they'll love it believe me.

No you can't. People love to praise godot, but it isn't nowhere near unity on 3d part. You can't also build for all platforms on it (Consoles, closed source SDK's). Godot will probably win, but it's nowhere near there yet, and people need to stop pretending it is.

@@KonradGMhopefully the more 3d developers that start contributing to the open source engine, the quicker it would catch up.

@@joelpearson2352 Generally i hope too. There are two main concerns with GODOT that i have now though that are not related to just in how mature state it is: 1. building to consoles. Those SDK's are not open source and they cant be on GODOT without licence change 2.GDScript being the main scripting langugae, i would prefer if the main one was a regular programming language one (yes i know it supports c# and rust too, but most of it features are supported mostly on GDscript including mobile which is not even possible on C#)

But given that Apple remains determined to stay behind its walled garden, what's the point? Unity will become just for apple devices. They are not trustworthy enough to allow us to use Unity outside of Apple.

Nah man, epic did sue apple to help epic and other developers to avoid the 30% tax on appstore. Does that have anything to do with steam? Let's be honest here, you steam fanboys are too comfortable with steam monopoly, steam is like a part of your life now. That's why when a new competition arise and threatens steam, you act hostile towards it. I'm just glad that I'm not using steam that often, otherwise I might develop hatred towards epic and missing all those benefits of being an epic customers.

@@ojan715 All the benefits being the bribes Epic issues to developers and... that's about it. so yeah excuse me for not liking a massive billion dollar company trying to buy their way into success with their objectively inferior product while having the gall to act like some hero of the people.

@@zaper2904 There is nothing wrong with epic paying developer for exclusive deals to boost their userbase. I mean developers themselves want the deals, and there is no stopping customers to have multiple launcher on their pc. It's not like pc gaming is owned by steam. And it's not like steam does not have exclusive games (in fact steam has tons more exclusive games than epic). Oh and epic being inferior to steam is very subjective as I have never rely on steam niche features to have fun playing games. That until epic start giving away free games, coupons, cashback while improving their launcher. Now epic is superior than steam, at least for me.

@@ojan715 epic broke an agreement and then they sued apple. I sign a contract with you, i broke it, and then i sue you. Do you think is fair?! epic are not the good guys! Sure all are corporations, all want more money, but epic does it in one of the worst possible ways!

@@ojan715 actually it is. as a costumer I look at the best price and/or store. The price is the same, and epic store is waaaaaaaay inferior to steam! we are on PC, we shouldn't have exclusives problems like on console! Epic IS inferior, there's nothing subjective. If they spend that money in the platform instead of bribing devs, they would have been miles ahead from where they are now. Competition is good, but epic does it in a very bad way for costumers ! So basically you are saying than: epic gives me free stuff, so it';s superior. IT's NOT !!! We talk about features, NOT free games! Also: "The power of free is a psychological phenomenon that has been studied in the field of marketing. According to Dan Ariely, a professor of behavioral economics at Duke University, people change their behavioral patterns when something free comes along. Free isn’t just an indicator of price. It’s a powerful emotional trigger that’s often irresistible. When you pay your hard-earned cash for something, you’re taking a risk. You might not like what you get, in which case you’d actually lose money. And who likes losing money? When an item is free, it’s perceived as having a higher value because it doesn’t come with that risk 1. Free stuff is the way into people’s heart - and brains 1. The power of free can be harnessed by businesses and policymakers to inspire large numbers of people to act favorably 1." That's what they are doing. It's ok, but all the other stuff is bad. Don't look just at the free games and less revenue share, look at all they business model and you will see that beside free games and lower revenue share they have NOTHING good!

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