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The Unknowable Answer: Questions About Primer (Primer Explained) 

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An exploration of Shane Carruth's sublime time-travel film. Visit www.garrisonmed... for a commentary that may also be of interest. (The URL at the end of the video is inaccurate. Sorry about that.)
If you want more straight-forward didactic reflections, read the piece I wrote on Medium: / 12-things-in-primer-no...

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@eltonjohnson
@eltonjohnson 9 лет назад
The failsafe machine is a machine that had been running (in secret, in another room) the entire time in case Abe wanted to essentially wipe the slate clean of anything they had done. It's a reset button, essentially. To use the failsafe machine would be incredibly taxing, as one would have to stay in for the entire duration it was running in order for it to take them back to point A. Which explains (I assume) why Abe is so disoriented and collapses once he comes back to Aaron on the bench listening to 'march madness'.
@TheCrystalHive
@TheCrystalHive 9 лет назад
+DJEDI296 But you find out that Aaron had already used the failsafe before Abe did which is why he knew what Abe wanted, and why the audio was already playing (he already knew what the conversation was going to be, and therefore had the presence of mind to record the conversation due to several time loops). And in that, Abe had not gone far enough back in time because his loop was contained within Aaron's.
@matteroftim3
@matteroftim3 9 лет назад
+Brian Clymer Not the original Aaron, though.
@TheCrystalHive
@TheCrystalHive 9 лет назад
+Eduard Voicu Of course. There's no way to tell which iteration of Aaron found out how to combat the failsafe.
@kewltony
@kewltony 4 года назад
Aaron brought a machine back with him as well so any further iterations would not run into abe using the box.
@prodfife
@prodfife 3 года назад
@@TheCrystalHive THAT WAS WHY AARON CONTINUED TALKING WHILE ABE SAID NOTHING IN THAT SCENE HOLY SHIT
@allieboy181
@allieboy181 8 лет назад
This video literally explained nothing
@garrisonmedia
@garrisonmedia 7 лет назад
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@jenschafer269
@jenschafer269 7 лет назад
No really. You did some lovely compartmentalizing and editing and categorizing. You pinpointed some questions that are helpful to understanding. But no answers to those questions and no explanation. This is great food for thought, don't get me wrong! But not at all an explanation.
@ericpiotrowski5009
@ericpiotrowski5009 7 лет назад
Perhaps the answers are .. unknowable.
@gabrielmalek7575
@gabrielmalek7575 5 лет назад
The tittle of the video is called unknowable questions, it doesn't propose to explain the movie.
@LightAndShaddow5
@LightAndShaddow5 5 лет назад
This video will seem very shallow unless you first understanding the "basic story", (eg, Abe's first failsafe coffin, Aaron's bypassing Abe's failsafe coffin to create his own failsafe coffin, multiple Aaron's and Abe's, each of them playing poker with one another and acting as if they are on lower time line numbers than they actually are, and them never really knowing if they are playing their friend, or if their friend is playing them). If you understand that "basic story", I think this video's questions give an incredible launch into orders of magnitude more complexity. Eg. what does Platt's company do? Does Platt have his own time machine which predates all of this? Could the plotting and multiple timelines have all started before the opening scene of the movie? How far back can they actually go?
@frenchcoupon3391
@frenchcoupon3391 4 года назад
This movie is a masterpiece. A director that inspires me to once make a 7000$ movie.
@AstroBoy93756
@AstroBoy93756 Год назад
Wow. The "...we've been friends for a long time and built up trust..." quote immediately followed by the clip of [the original] Aaron discovering Abe's second storage room and failsafe machine REALLY hits home and shows the lack of trust between the two. You can see the look of sadness on Aaron's face when he sees Abe's failsafe (which Abe had kept secret) for the first time.
@eltonjohnson
@eltonjohnson 9 лет назад
Platts, I believe, is a guy they approached for funding on a prior project, and ended up stealing their idea, which I assume would have been a lucrative one. When their friend says "Maybe we should get into it," I think he's implying that they should get a lawyer and try to sue him...
@denizb.6882
@denizb.6882 7 лет назад
Platts is Aarons (former) boss, with whom Aaron was in conflict with, for a reason I did forget.
@saturnx311
@saturnx311 4 года назад
I know this post is pretty old, but I can't find any discussion about Primer that's any more recent. I have a question which NO ONE seems to be asking: When Abe first shows Aaron the machine at the storage facility, they're sitting on the bed of Aaron's pickup truck, and this is where Abe shows Aaron (without his earpiece) the fact that he's already time-traveled.. But shortly afterward, in the film, they pull up next to Aaron's truck in Abe's car! What has occurred in between? Am I missing something basic here? Abe also asks Aaron, "Are you sure you're OK to drive?" This scene has always confounded me. I assume they've both time-traveled, as Aaron asks Abe, "What did you do your first time through?" to which Abe answers, "I drove to Russelfield" or some such like. But nobody has even discussed this part of the film, that I can tell. I've read The Primer Universe, and there's nothing in there about it. So...does anyone know the answer to this? Great video anyway! Thanks for this
@RICEKRISPY8
@RICEKRISPY8 4 года назад
Slim Pickins Just rewatched the movie tonight and watched some videos after including this one and came across your comment. You had me stumped for a sec. But if you think about the events of the day from when Abe turns t machine on until they drive up in Abe’s car weirdly it makes sense. Here goes: 1. Abe turns the machine on in the morning and spends the day in a hotel (as he explains later to Aaron) 2. He drives his car back to the storage facility and gets in the box, leaving his car in the parking lot. 3. He gets out of the box in the morning and takes a cab(?) to meet Aaron on the bench (this is presumed as previous Abe has the car at the hotel). 4. They go throughout the day with Abe explaining everything to Aaron. Aaron has to drive because Abe’s car is with his double at the hotel. He even says that when they’re leaving the office. 5. Finally Abe shows Aaron his previous self going in the box from the field. They then go in the facility to see the box. 6. I presume that they walked to the facility from the field, leaving the truck there. Then they took Abe’s car from the parking lot back to the field. Idk why they wouldn’t just drive the truck to the parking lot. I guess they wanted to shoot that convo in the car out in the field. Hope that explanation helped I had fun sussing it out myself. It’s not some secret about the events of the movie but just a result of the mechanics of the time traveling. Edit addressing a couple specific things in your comment: He asks if Aaron is okay to drive because it would be understandable that he is in shock and it would be dangerous to be behind the wheel (maybe that’s why they walked to the storage). As for the missing earpiece, I believe that we may actually be witnessing first time this event occurred, even though we saw Aaron’s “prepared” bench scene earlier.
@elbiliyin6756
@elbiliyin6756 Год назад
What is the primer universe??
@simoncarlile5190
@simoncarlile5190 9 лет назад
I always thought it strange that Abe seems out of it, lying on the floor, in the scene right after they first test the machine. Before the "coffins". I think the time distortions begin at that point, before he even invents the failsafe. If I'm right, then there is literally no way to have ANY idea what exactly is happening after that point in the movie.
@deathmetal973
@deathmetal973 8 лет назад
I thought that too, I think that when Abe wakes up on the floor is when he used the failsafe to try and erase all of the time traveling.
@aphoenixcantdie1251
@aphoenixcantdie1251 8 лет назад
I wrote a comment about this part on the full vid youtube upload of the movie: Anyone have an explanation for the jumps/repeats from 13:11 - 13: 35 ? Think it is just for editing/effect or is it timeline shifting related since they had just enabled their first prototype of the machine? This is the only part of the film I don't quite understand now since I've read many explanations. It seems quite intentional with the "reiterations." First we see Abe wake up twice while answering his cell. Then we hear/see Aaron tell Abe, "Abe, it's 7." and he throws his shoe at window. It jumps back immediately and we hear Aaron tell Abe, "Abe, it's 7 at night." but this time Abe doesn't throw shoe, he agrees and stands up with the bed. Then it continues with more jumpy cutting until Abe leaves his room. No more of this jump/cutting/editing happens.(at least that I spotted)
@dr.christopherdiaz4473
@dr.christopherdiaz4473 5 лет назад
I thought that too...until I watched the directors commentary. Its an accident.
@t4404
@t4404 3 года назад
hilariously sad to see the amount of people who missed the point. great video
@Ag8MrE
@Ag8MrE 9 лет назад
Nice work - best clarification of primer I have seen, and no need for timelines! Well done.
@Stephen-wb3wf
@Stephen-wb3wf 3 года назад
They talk so fast I never realized they straight call him hero in the garage. Like the "regret" thing too. So many shows movies tell you alot in the names and I hadn't thought to look at that here. I swear I've seen this movie six times and I havent even started I suppose. Thank you. Why all the downs?
@ericpiotrowski5009
@ericpiotrowski5009 3 года назад
Because many people like to have things explained directly, rather than chewing on them. But I don’t make videos for folks like that. I make ‘em for folks like you. So ... thanks.
@DunsterDrive
@DunsterDrive 3 года назад
thank you i could never pick up what robert says in that scene
@LightAndShaddow5
@LightAndShaddow5 5 лет назад
I found this to be a really amazing and extremely insightful video.
@curtizbond
@curtizbond 4 года назад
I did not....
@WaMo721
@WaMo721 4 года назад
U made the video to explain the movie.....I will make a video to explain this video....
@neohere8739
@neohere8739 9 лет назад
very well made sort film that explains a lot about this movie!
@sammencia7945
@sammencia7945 2 года назад
When Thomas Grainger went into the box and which one. Was symmetry break the cause? Did Aaron touch him and some energy event occurred?
@prodfife
@prodfife 3 года назад
im convinced that abe is the protagonist and aaron is the antagonist of this story
@varunkumarpothula8421
@varunkumarpothula8421 6 лет назад
This video is as brilliantly edited and the movie 😎👍
@supergreatsuper
@supergreatsuper 7 лет назад
Are the quotes more than arbitrary quotes involving the word "primer" in different ways? I mean, they sort of feel connected, but I'm not seeing any explanatory purpose to them.
@RandomCanEHdian
@RandomCanEHdian 8 лет назад
Wonderfully edited and thorough. Thanks!
@BrentHutchinson1
@BrentHutchinson1 8 лет назад
God, I watched this movie for the 50th time last night and just watching your review makes me want to watch it again. I also want Shane Carruth to get funding for more of his films. Especially the one I heard about him wanting to make. (Do some research)
@lawcane
@lawcane 2 года назад
I always thought that he told Granger because of the Platt incident. Something went wrong and he told Granger and Granger went back in time to try and fix it. A lot of videos say it was the party, but that isn't true
@jerichobeach2967
@jerichobeach2967 2 года назад
The only part I still don’t understand is Granger finding a coffin. How!?
@gabrielmalek7575
@gabrielmalek7575 5 лет назад
Even with all the other youtube explanations there's is still so many things left unanswered
@marvinallen7117
@marvinallen7117 4 года назад
Like what?
@bladerunner_77
@bladerunner_77 4 года назад
I need to revisite my film to understand exactly. I enjoy Upstream Color a lot.
@jonaskarlsson6482
@jonaskarlsson6482 9 лет назад
abe thinking ahead of aaron with the failsafe never made sense to me. aaron is clearly a lot smarter and a lot less inhibited by morals than abe so he should have everything figured out a lot faster than abe. the only way i can make that work is that abe built it out of worry, a few iterations in when he understands the ripple effects of the box and getting out at the A end. it is somewhat believable that aaron in his greed driven quest to use the box for his own profit might overlook a failsafe due to a money induced kind of tunnel vision. ive watched this movie many times and read many interpretations of it and i always had trouble with that part. if im still way off im fine with it, this movie is so brilliant that i welcome its complexity to make me look a fool in youtube comments. basically what im saying is that i kind of want aaron to have been in complete control over abe for the entirety of the movie. the earpiece suggests this but the failsafe does not, and i think aaron not building his own failsafe is unlikely. if abe thought of it aaron would have too.
@TheCrystalHive
@TheCrystalHive 9 лет назад
+Jonas Karlsson Aaron managed to use the failsafe before Abe. The scene where Abe collapses and Aaron is instead listening to the play-through of the day rather than March Madness proves this. Aaron had used the failsafe before Abe and knew how to out-think Abe, by containing Abe's iterations of time within his own.
@MaxiKookookachoo
@MaxiKookookachoo 6 лет назад
It's not that Aaron was smarter, it's that Aaron deceived Abe by using his Abe's failsafe. This effectively contained Aaron's timeline starting from the first time he used it. Now Aaron is actually the more powerful time traveler because Aaron's timeline does not contain the timeline of Abe who didn't discover time travel yet. Meaning at any moment, Abe can alter how EVERYTHING goes down because he is aware and watching the version of himself that DISCOVERS time travel in the first place. The only thing that is stopping Abe is morality because apparently whatever happens at that party needs to be prevented by NOT DISCOVERING TIME TRAVEL EVER AGAIN. Such an amazing story.
@SuckMyKiss420
@SuckMyKiss420 6 лет назад
Let's not forget that the boxes are collapsable and reusable. Aaron took them back with him inside the failsafe box, so when Abe uses the failsafe box both Aaron and Abe can use them to choreograph the perfect moment to stop the shooter and make Aaron a hero.
@jonisafreak3
@jonisafreak3 4 года назад
@Grailer aaron made his own failsafe after he discovers abes, after creating his own failsafe aaron turns abes failsafe a couple of minutes forward basically a huge power move making aaron have more control over the entire thing
@skylar4390
@skylar4390 2 года назад
@@jonisafreak3 oh shit! that makes sense
@hunter4hire
@hunter4hire 3 года назад
you really should remove the: (Primer Explained) part from the title.
@garrisonmedia
@garrisonmedia 2 года назад
Well although it is misleading, it builds audience. (I hate how SEO incentivizes me to lie, but I didn't make the rules.) And I added a link to a more straightforward essay I wrote. I've always preferred hints to walkthroughs when it comes to video games. I've always preferred professors who urge me to make up my own mind about literary interpretations. I've always preferred discussions about art, rather than simplistic "HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS" diatribes. So that's what I was shooting for here. But thanks for the suggestion!
@hunter4hire
@hunter4hire 2 года назад
@@garrisonmedia "builds audience" that's debatable, it gets clicks, but generally most people don't like clickbait, or liars. In the end it's your choice, I guess your morality has a price. Typical. I'd re-evaluate your stance on deceptive content. It's up to you to be a liar or not.
@garrisonmedia
@garrisonmedia 2 года назад
@@hunter4hire WOW. That's quite a swing. I spent months of my life to make a free video trying to shed light on a movie, mostly for the benefit of my HS students. And you come blazing in with charges of "liar" and "your morality has a price". Yeesh! Are you investing this kind of anger toward "replacement theory" hatemongers online? Or GamerGate trolls? I'm sorry my title hurt your feelings, but that response really feels over the top. I never expected to find such hostility in the comments section of a RU-vid video. /s
@hunter4hire
@hunter4hire 2 года назад
@@garrisonmedia charges liar? nice changing the story, You admitted to lying yourself. You only accept it as hostility and not constructive criticism, examine your own self, that high horse doesn't suit you. Lol, we're talking about an inaccurate title that first you admitted is wrong, and now you're back pedaling. You're so full of fallacies, you don't even know it. You wanna be buthurt about it, go ahead, but don't make dumb excuses and throwing accusations yourself. You have no self awareness. Go ahead and respond, afterall it's not like an egotistical child like you would admit to being wrong.
@Hiram1000
@Hiram1000 6 месяцев назад
​@hunter4hire I'm going to give you this question to ponder for free. I live in Europe ( no, Europe is not a country. But I live in a country, in Europe). You may, or may not, be aware that we have a certain perspective of Americans and America. We generally divide them into 4 types, each with certain characteristics. 1. The Americans that have a passport and have travelled to, or have lived in, Europe for a short while. They are generally reasonably well educated and have a wider world view. Some are democrats, but some do not vote at all, or vote independent. 2. Republicans. Generally Conservative, religious, hard-working, traditionalists, with a poor knowledge of the world and world geopolitics and geography. 3. Gen Z folks, or the Tik-Tok generation. Garner most of their knowledge of the world around them from social media platforms. Have never read a newspaper, have a short attention span, have unrealistic expectations of what life is like once you leave the bosom of home and school. Almost unemployable. Very, very, very different from kids the same age on other continents. 4. MAGA supporters. ( no need to expand on this). My question is. Which section do you think you belong in. After you answer, I'll tell you my opinion. By the way, I'm with the content creator on this one. It's called " playing the game". You learn it's significance once you get older.
@Davesoft
@Davesoft 7 лет назад
Beautiful work!
@SushiSteakSeafood
@SushiSteakSeafood 3 года назад
16:03 go back and tell myself to not click this. No I dont want to see it again.
@JanitorIsBack
@JanitorIsBack 9 лет назад
well that sucked
6 лет назад
I mean 2:00 He cant write like a normal person anymore and they didnt even have began to build the machine
@hodgkinsonluqman
@hodgkinsonluqman 2 года назад
The entire timeline with all the characters actually makes sense. The Aaron who went to France built a bigger machine that could allow food and supplies inside and he is the one who traveled back to tell his former self to leave for France and then completed the timeline. He also sent the phone message to the original Abe to ensure that the second Abe who was trying to destroy everything would not succeed. The most likely explanation for Granger is that Rachel and Abe (Rachel's boyfriend) got killed at the party. Then Aaron saw this as an opportunity to get money from Granger to save his daughter. He had to let Granger travel back in time to see that his daughter was saved. That is why Granger had about 3 days beard growth because he was hiding away from his original Granger for all these days after his daughter was saved planning to meet Aaron that night to give him his reward. Aaron likely used Abe's Platt idea as a way to meet with Granger to get his reward. The night the new Granger met the new Aaron was likely the night the original Granger had traveled back with the old Aaron, and so Granger went comatose and eventually died so that there would be no paradox since in this new timeline Rachel had not died and it became clear that the original Granger would not travel back in time to "become" the new Granger. Aaron realized that he could not get the reward from Granger and actually briefly lost consciousness when trying to interact with Granger who should not be there due to the paradox (Aaron did not slip and fall). Abe especially would go unconscious when near the new Granger due to the paradox since his life was saved in circumstances involving the original Granger who would no longer travel back. Abe also felt his life was in danger from paradoxes (and maybe it was) so he tried to end it all by going back to the beginning and stopping the original Abe from inventing time travel not realizing that stopping time travel would cause the new Abe's death. There always had to be a plausible way to get to the current state from past events and when there wasn't it would lead to a paradox and any disappearances required with individuals going comatose and dying to restore a plausible history for the current state. For example, with the new Granger comatose, Abe and Rachael could continue to live in the current timeline since they had never died in the new consistent history, but if Abe succeeded in stopping time travel there would be no plausible way for the new Abe or the new Aaron to exist and so both of them would definitely die. Aaron this time was much smarter and when he went back he was dedicated to stop the new Abe and to complete the timeline not for Granger's reward -- which he now knew he could not get -- but so that he could avoid the consequences of paradoxes and complete the timeline to continue to live. That is why he was very invested in succeeding when he returned the second time because now he realized it was life and death. One of the most interesting twists is that when Aaron returned the second time realizing the life and death nature of his survival mission -- much more committed than the earlier Aaron he met who just wanted Granger's reward -- he realized that if he locked up the other Aaron it could create another paradox -- so there had to be a way for the other Aaron to fit into the timeline. Hence the trust agreement between the two Aarons -- after explaining to the other Aaron that there is no way to get Granger's reward and that it has become a life and death struggle -- they agreed that the other Aaron would leave to another country so as not to interfere with current events that may cause any paradoxes and that he would leave with the set folded time machine box that the new Aaron came out of and later embed this into a bigger box so that he could travel back over a longer time period and plausibly "become" the third Aaron himself. Having traveled back over such a long time period from France the new third Aaron would obviously be weaker and unable to overpower the second Aaron which is why a convincing dialogue was especially important. In the scene we see (the last one with the third Aaron coming from France) we see him wearing clothes from France that are different from the clothes he wore in America. To be sure that the second Aaron shared the life and death nature of the third Aaron's survival mission, the third Aaron likely assured the second Aaron that if the third Aaron went comatose due to paradox from failure of the second Aaron's mission in France, then the third Aaron would not be able to wake up the original Aaron at the appropriate time and show him how to use the time machine to "become" the second Aaron, and this would lead to a paradox that would cause the second Aaron also to die. The various timelines are the equivalent of the many-worlds and consistent histories interpretation of quantum mechanics similar to Schrodinger's cat. All the consistent plausible histories exist simultaneously except when they must be observed and then one consistent history is chosen to display. However, all histories must be consistent to avoid a paradox. For example, the third Aaron who came to speak to the second Aaron is both the Aaron who traveled from America after meeting Granger and the Aaron who traveled from France after meeting the third Aaron as they both exited the machine at the same time and became the same person. For purposes of display, we are shown the third Aaron who came from France. Reply Reply
@KingCuba
@KingCuba 2 года назад
I’ll have to reread this after rewatching.
@OfficialJab
@OfficialJab Год назад
How can he go back further by building a bigger box? You can only go back to when the box you're using was turned on, right?
@AlexArsu
@AlexArsu 8 лет назад
awesome!
@ziggy8253
@ziggy8253 6 лет назад
I need a diagram to explain this RU-vid video.
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