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he trapped them, exploited them, and humiliated them... and people thought that was okay?? I feel like people definitely turned a blind eye to their predicament because of their "foreignness" if you catch my drift.
I never watched Team 10’s content- I can’t stand either Paul brother - but taking advantage of young people who were far from fluent in English really is beyond despicable. Unsurprising, since it was Jake Paul, but disgusting nonetheless. Listening to the Paul brothers’ parents, it became pretty clear to me that the apples really didn’t fall far from the twisted tree.
And it just shows Jake Paul’s ignorance that he’s calling two kids from Europe a disparaging term for Mexicans. It would be despicable to call them that if they WERE from Mexico; using that slur on two kids from Spain just shows what a racist AND ignorant asshat Jake Paul is. Jake’s excuse that the twins started the “banter” by calling him a cracker and a stupid white person is BS on its face. The twins MIGHT have called him a stupid American- that at least is believable (although I still don’t buy it) - but Spanish people are considered white, so I highly doubt the twins would use the term “cracker” either, which by 2017 was practically obsolete.
The video of Jake destroying their room's wall always makes me so sad. Not just because of the loss of even the illusion of privacy, but also the loss of the reminder of love and support from their fans. It was a blatantly cruel action
I often wonder how different things would have been if Jake and Logan's parents had actually RAISED THEM, instead of letting them go feral online and in public. But from what I've seen of the dad's antics (and heard the mom defending), I guess the rotten apples dropped straight down at their feet.
Their dad's a total creep too. Perving on the young girls. That kissing video where they blindfolded and told a girl it was going to be a boy she liked and it was their dad trying to make out with her. Like ok. We all totally get it now. He's sleeping in a bus in the driveway. We know how this all came to be.
Yeah, as an old person who doesn't understand The Kids These Days, I've been impressed by some of what they've pulled off. I'm not interested in it, but I can be like "huh, that was a smart idea". So I wonder, too, how it would have gone if they had the chance to reach their potential by having more rules and structure
for real like not being honest about where their money was going to, forbidding them to open a bank account by lying about needed to be a US citizen or something, and then withholding their money is literally that (not to mention not letting them even lock the door!)
@@its.hasmina preventing them from getting an english tutor too, it's insane. I'm sure they won't pursue it outside potential civil suits to get their lost wages back, especially since prosecuting trafficking is an absolute nightmare in the american criminal justice system, but they would have a real case there if they took it to court
Why I don't feel bad when Logan humiliates Jake nowadays. Don't get me wrong, Logan is worse by far and I dislike both but people who think Jake is some poor victim just because Logan is the worse brother doesn't absolve Jake for his actions nor does he deserve any sympathy when his shitty brother disses him
I seriously thought that too! How is it NOT trafficking? People have a really dangerous misconception that trafficking is strictly for SW, when the actual majority of it is trafficking what amounts to slave labor. I really hope they get a good lawyer.
Alissa Violet's story and impact on the YT scene is actually really interesting and sad. You can still see the lasting effects that Jake's mind games and her subsequent relationship with Banks left on her. I'm glad she's decided to focus on her offline friends instead of people like Jake Paul, Banks, and Chantel Jeffries. Also after Shane Dawson diminished her abuse to her face to try and make everyone have sympathy for Jake & her best friend at the time (Erika) replacing her as Jake's new girl even after listening to Alissa confided in her about the abuse she endured. If she hadn't gained trauma through Jake, I really don't think she would've stayed as long as she did with Banks. It's left her much more vulnerable and susceptible to those looking to take advantage of her.
alissa is the same person who went "wow i was abused, let's make coins off of diss tracks about said abusive ex" i remember logan teasing "the second verse" video as this huge "JAKE'S EX IS GOING TO GET THE LAST LAUGH" moment. one second she was crying on video about the abuse jake put her through, next second she was stepping out of sports cars trying to flex that she is with logan, after that she was back to crying in that video with ricegum and banks. i'm not denying that their relationship was toxic, i believe everyone involved sees each other as a cash cow but why should i feel bad for someone who willingly decided to monetize the fuck out of her own abuse story? am i the only person who sees this as weird?
@@halieeWhere did she monetize her abuse? The disstrack she made did not ever mention his abuse. If she hopped on a track singing about how he abused her and flexing in cars while doing so, then yes, that'd be odd and that would be her monitizing it, but she did not. He provoked the situation by creating a disstrack against her and she retaliated in the same way that he initially did. There's no point in blaming the victim and skipping over how Jake was the first to start the disstracks. You say she's trying to get the "last laugh" but what do you want her to do? Stay quiet while Jake monetizes her situation? The double standards are crazy here. Her doing those disstracks doesn't absolve or invalidate her abuse story and it's sad you think that way. He abused her, so for you to try and dictate how she's meant to react to her abuser is weird and inappropriate. Please learn empathy for your own sake.
I remember in another jake Paul doc, they showed a video of Team 10 "pranking" the Spanish twins by destroying an entire wall they had dedicated to fan art and letters. Everything else they endured was cruel but that prank in particular really stuck out. They're in a different country, they don't speak the language, they don't fit in and are being bullied, and their housemates destroyed something they clearly held dear to them as proof that they were noticed and cared about.
As someone who has a friend directly from Spain: I absolutely do not believe Jake when he says the Martinez twins were calling everyone "cracker". He's definitely trying to save face in the wake of them revealing that he was calling them a slur to their faces bc they didn't know enough to call him on it. Even in their expose video, the boys don't have a great grasp on English. There's no way they were calling anyone a cracker without having being told to do so first. They're not going to be calling you a slur in English, they'd be using the slurs native to their own language.
Not to mention, calling someone a “cracker” is a reference to the “cracker of the whip”. It’s more of an accusation than a slur. Still not nice to say, and racially charged for sure, but the worst he could claim was that they called people “oppressor”. Which, uh…yeah. I’d have to wonder what meaning “cracker” would have to Spaniards to begin with or if they’d even know the word. It seems pretty specific to American social dynamics.
@@wildersystem That's where "cracker" comes from?! I thought it was just an insult about how white people are a white as saltine crackers. Although, now that I say it out loud, it doesn't really make sense why that'd be the origin...
Also, aren’t people from Spain considered white anyway? Lol And Spain colonized lots of the world including parts of the US and brought in slave labor.
@@warlordofbritannia as if every other single politician in the entire free WORLD doesn't beg their voters for money. The only ones who don't are the tyrants that don't have to beg, they just rip it from them.
I physically cringed at his father. Talk about living vicariously. Though it explains a LOT about Logan and Jake that their old man is also a terrible human being.
“I can’t have sex right now, babe! A two hour video essay about a RU-vid group who I thought were annoying seven years ago was just uploaded and I need to watch it.”
@@shneakrets Time is so weird. A year is supposed to last a year, but it never feels like it. There are years that feel like weeks, and weeks that feel like years. By the time I'm done typing this, it will be 2027, haha
absolutely, I just commented that on another thread. They looked so upset in their video. You can tell it was genuine. I didn't know anything about them before the video, but that whole section made so sad.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t they also take Jake’s whole “we read and appreciate all fanmail” thing completely seriously and cherished it with a collage on their wall… that Jake tore down for content and refused to do anything about after the fact?
@@maybornefloweryeah I remember something about how they had a wall of fan art etc from their fans that they got sent and Jake tore it down once for a vlog with I think an axe
@@mayborneflowerI honestly didn't know anything about them before this video. I've never been into the stuff TRO's videos are about, I just love hearing about the ugly side of content creators. (Guilty pleasure) I think the twins upset me so much because my son looks a lot like them and I could see him easily ending up in a similar situation as a teenager.
Kind of icks me out that they were there to talk about HER assault, and yet the two dudes did all the talking and even spoke over and interrupted her at times.
They were just these to use her as an excuse to damage someone’s rep. It was never about her. :( Good chance they convinced her a bit that what they were doing was right as well. It’s actually kind of common for guys to tell younger women (usually men in a higher position of authority like an older man or a bad therapist), that they’ve been groomed or abused or treated badly by other men, and for the girls to assume they didn’t know better and accuse. Until they admit they weren’t sure, and only said it cus someone older than them convinced them and they assumed they were just in the wrong for thinking it was fine. All of this for some man to try and hurt another man using bs allegations from someone who they’ve manipulated into trusting them. This might not be the same case, but might have some elements of it.
@@canimunchurbox that doesn’t really change anything though?? Regardless of whether or not it was fake, it’s still icks me out that they spoke FOR her during that video ABOUT her. We as the audience at the time didn’t know it was fake.
His parents are honestly disgusting disapointments tbh. Like if anyone has power in their sons chaos its them. And yet they supportively stood by through all this idiotic and straight up bogan behaviout
There kids are multi millionaires , they make trash content but overall it’s what people want , you and me are watching this because Logan is interesting
Jake Paul and his fixation on incest for comedy gives me such an ick, like it truly makes me so sad and disgusted that the Martinez twins were coerced into humping each other on camera. But Jake's weird incest thing didn't even end with the Martinez twins it was a weirdly common joke in old vlogs featuring his parents and Logan... like sometimes it really makes you wonder what all that was really about.
His dad said that the twins wouldn't be where they were without Jake, I 100% agree with him. They wouldn't be beaten down, embarrassed, feel awful from all the bullying, and they probably will never get over being forced by Jake to do sexual acts to each other. They were tormented and abused. Yeah, what a great kid his parents made. I hope they feel very proud for putting 2 pieces of garbage out into the world. How are they not in prison? There is literal proof of what they are doing to people. It's so disgusting.
You know I have to preface this that I'm not supporting what the Pauls did. But I think you fail to understand. We wouldn't even be talking about the twins if they hadn't been involved with team 10. They're only relevant because of the controversy. Jake's father is right.
@@sorrenpeak4870 Oh, I know that and I get it. I’m just saying that they have received everything I mentioned from the Paul’s and for what? A long life of emotional and psychological damage.
@@sorrenpeak4870it’s extremely manipulative to say it though. even if they got fame through jake, they have no obligation to ignore abuse and harassment.
It is insane that Jake Paul accused someone of seriously assaulting a woman then chose not to continue pursuing justice because he suddenly wanted to resolve the issue in private. You can’t assassinate a person’s character like that and then just claim you aren’t interested in public justice any longer, that ruin’s a person’s life. What a joke.
Some of those stunts that you showed were horrifically dangerous. If things had gone just slightly differently in those stunts, if the bodies of the people in the clips were at just a slightly different angle, we could be living in a world where Team 10 ended not because of Jake Paul's social ineptitude and lack of empathy but his brand permanently being marked by the death of someone who was put into a very early grave due to his recklessness and the culture that he fostered around himself. I mean, that bike going into that pool, if that thing had gone just a bit faster or gotten a bit more air and the head of the person lined up with the edge of the pool... Or that person falling down the stairs hitting the back of their neck on the edge of a stair...
well, look a dobrik. One of his stunts actually left one his supposed friends severely wounded for life, and he almost died. But I think he's come back to youtube, so I guess there are some people that can do anything and still won't see much repercussion about it.
Even if they didn't die, some stunts *almost* got people seriously hurt. That Jenga one is a great example as one person *did* get hurt. If it had been slightly different, he could've been seriously hurt. I know people will be like "they're just Jenga blocks" but humans are very fragile; we can drown from a teaspoon of water and get concussions just by walking into a door.
While I see the point that you two are making, I feel like death and its finality would have had more of an impact than serious injury. Maybe it shouldn't, maybe it should, that's beside the point. When someone dies, we lose who they were in this world. That isn't the case when they get seriously injured. You can come back from a serious injury. You can still experience joy, happiness, give your company to those who love you when seriously injured. That's not the case for death. For all we know, and as far as many people believe, once you die, you, your memories, experiences, personality, all of it effectively just get deleted from existence. Even those who believe that death isn't the end, the fact of the matter is that they can no longer interact with or influence the world, they can't be there for encouragement or telling jokes, or sharing their insight. As such, society takes death far more seriously and while serious injury might not have done the T10 lot in, I feel like a death would have been more likely to do that to them and also stain the reputation of anyone even associated.
@@Xokoy While that's true, serious injury would also put a stain on it and would certainly make people think about it (as a bonus, no one dies). We've seen it happen with movies, people wondering if the pain was worth it. I know there's even one director that people say gets good results, but wonder if his methods are worth those results, since it leads to lasting psychological issues. Not to mention, the ones getting injured wouldn't have been Jake and would've probably wanted to leave because they were in harm's way at that damned house. Would've been super serious and irrefutable as well.
I absolutely love how Jake treats "Team 10" like it was a big new thing and revolutionary. He did not make the first Influencer house or Group, he flew high sure but caught alot of Flak. I cannot express how funny it was that his Father was a reason why Team 10 broke, when he brought him in to "Keep an eye" On everyone to keep loyalty.
Bravo to the Martinez twins for the way they talked about the abuse. It really shows the content of their character, to just end your thoughts on it like "Please just be nicer to the next members after us "
i feel so awful for the martinez twins, hearing that jake would withold their finances from their family in spain and using the language barrier to his advantage. also making fun of their accents and destroying stuff that their fans made for them...just so mean. edit: oh my god he told them to assault each other??? and pressured them to do it?
The Jake Paul cycle: 1. Be insufferable behind the scenes 2. Cause team members to leave 3. It's all part of the plan It's their fault guys srsly I gave them everything they used me I never made one dollar things are gonna be bigger than ever 4. Change nothing 5. Repeat
I didn't know anything about the twins... the clip where Jake made them do that to eachother genuinely distressed me.... that's going to bother them for the rest of their lives
looking at the paul brothers really give you a sense on just how poorly they were raised since both brothers are basically nothing but sociopaths who strike at the vulnerable and scam their way to the top albeit jake does so very openly while logan does so while portraying himself as a changed man.
I don't know why but I always thought Jake was infamous before Bizaardvark. I didn't realize him being on the show is one of the things that go him started.
Minor I want to add, I firmly believe the "God Church" line and merchandise line that had a little church and cross on it was 100% to get strict Christian families to allow their kids to buy it. He probably Knew a lot of the middle class richer kids who could buy merchandise were in predominantly strict christian homes. TL;DR he had No problem using religion to sell merch.
During the period of 2015-2017, I was going through a very dark stage in my life. Lots of drugs, drinking, depression, hopelessness. I felt so lifeless, I couldn't even bring myself to watch RU-vid anymore. In retrospect, I was probably the luckiest person on earth.
Feeling bad for the way the rest of the team and even jake's parents went off to silence and practically make it seem like the martinez twins were lying. If that's not proof that something is wrong with them all idk what is. Even peer pressuring them to do incest was such a gross "joke".
You have no idea what it was like being in middle school during the rise of team 10. That merch was everywhere. I mean, an entire cafeteria of jake paul sweatshirts. It's everyday bro flash mobbers in the hallways. My cousin who was one of the diehard team 10 fans can probably still remember all the lyrics. It cannot be understated just how insane the grip this man had on middle schoolers of the time was.
I remember watching a podcast that Keemstar was on (Yeah, Keem was still semi-relevant). Might have been Baited! or one of the ones he was a guest on in those last few years before he completely fell off. Either way, he told a story where he was visiting family and one of his nephews(?) jumped off a bridge. Not a transit bridge or anything ,just a small rock pathway bridge into a stream below. Still, it was dangerous. If the kid flipped in the air or really changed trajectory at all, he coulda ended up getting really fucked up. Thankfully, that didnt' happen. Another adult went in and got him out. Keem ran up to them and asked understandably why he had done something so utterly fucking stupid. The kid responded "Was just bein' a maverick, bruh." That stuck with me, to the point I remember it even today. Because up until that point I had dismissed the Paul Brothers as just being run of the mill internet idiots with standard young but insignificant fanbases. That one made me realize that they were /role models/ for an up and coming generation. As time has gone by, I've seen more and more stories from people like you confirming that was the case. Its a truly terrifying thought.
I never realized how bad they were to the twins. I feel so sorry they went through that and how the internet treated them. I hope they’re doing well now
There's a famous line started out of the yellow journalism era "If it bleeds, it leads", negative press and obnoxious people, Disgusting stunts, gross opinions, their loud and impermanent, yet people who burst into the scene will never not go for that method to achieve fame when given the chance. Logan Paul's fiance is unfortunately experiencing what happens when a creator like that DOESN'T choose their negative press.
I think he's pretty happy actually. He was a douchemagoo back then but I *think* he's pretty happy and grounded with boxing and less SM in his life. Seems like WAY less of a gross person than his Big brother usually is these days.
One thing you see from Jake is what you see from a lot of businessmen who operate predatory business models. The business cannot fail, he cannot fail, it can only be failed. He can only be failed. It's never because he did anything wrong, it's because people didn't believe hard enough in him and his vision.
Jake Paul, Logan Paul, Shane Dawson, SkyDoesMinecraft and so many other who dont deserve a platform and the hundreds and millions of dollars theyve made. Makes me sick
Watching the track record of Jake and Logan Paul's antics is a lot like watching a car crash directly into a wall, back up, and crash into it again for 7 years straight.
Do I know the TL;DR is "Jake Paul is as much of a disaster like his brother, and exacerbates the messes he always makes."? Yes. Yes I do. Am I going to watch it anyways because of how eloquently TRO and his team are going to break it down in detail while I'm at work? Absolutely.
I feel like the kids that were into this kinda "paul-esque" content were more bearable than whatever the "sneako/taint-esque" kids are into now. They're both insufferable, but at least the paul kids were just annoying and disruptive and not like, pseudo/future bigots. Don't get me wrong though, I'd rather they not use any of these people as role models in the first place.
You're comparing two different brands of douche, the paul brothers branded themselves on reckless dumbassery and degraded behaviour, Tate just wanted to make being inmoral look cool.
I'm in my late twenties now and the older I get the more I see like 18-22 year olds as babies. I felt so bad for the Martinez twins. Those poor kids. My heart broke hearing them talk and my protective big sister instinct kicked in.
naaaah dont do that. that would excuse logan and jake who were also 18-22 at the time. That is not a kid, that is an adult, and by that age you should be well-aware of right from wrong, tons of 18-22 year olds working jobs and school at the same time, or even starting families. and they tend to get away with so much for being called kids. Jake was 19 when he did most of these things, but its no excuse
There's literally there's so many things that they could've done to not end up flopping, but they literally couldn't control themselves enough to succeed
I used to go to the same secondary school as Nick. We weren't mates or anything like that, he was in the year below but we were amicable. I remember after I left I wondered what he was up to, saw he had a vlog channel going then a few years later I find out he's kicking it with Jake Paul. I'm so ready for this video as a whole but also any amount of context it may shed on him. As far as I saw the dude went from bedroom to mansion like it was nothing!
Compton, right? It’s funny cuz apparently he thought the England line was a joke and went along with it. And it ended up making the poor guy a laughing stock who didn’t know about his own country.
@@ma.2089yeah, i also heard the england is my city was supposed to be like, england is his playground kinda thing, like minimising england as a big place as his own but cant say or remember if thats true or not
I keep thinking about that 'Dr. Dre of social media' quote that shows up over and over. Not that unironically comparing the two is fair at all, but Dre's MO is basically to find talent, produce their debut album, sign them to his record label, and set them loose. Snoop Dogg, Eminem, 50 Cent, and Kendrick Lamar have all been at one point as big, if not bigger than Dre, but Dre gets so much credit for their success because of the way he collaborated, lifted them up, and most importantly let them express themselves in their music, which he naturally got a cut of as per his label which they needed to distribution. Dre never really made it about himself and he's only released 3 albums over the last 30 years, all of which are filled to the brim with features. The artists I mentioned before look up to Dre with a kind of reverance, especially Eminem (you know, the most successful rapper of all time), enough that they all performed at the most recent Super Bowl halftime show to celebrate his impact on hip hop. Team 10 just seemed like Jake Paul controlling and exploiting others for his own benefit. And because anyone in the space of social media can work directly with the platform itself, like RU-vid, without a useless middleman like Team 10, it served no purpose beyond putting your name on the map. Jake wanted to have his cake and eat it too, to be both the man responsible for the success of other influencers, as well as having his own personal little entourage to populate his content. Even if he wasn't an abusive douchebag to his "team" I just can't see it ever working in the long run once the , at least not the way he envisioned it.
I hope mr and mrs paul lay awake at night thinking about all the things they did wrong like most halfway decent parents do, even when their child _isn't_ a walking public screwup but somehow I have doubts
I went to highschool with Max Beumont, he was known for trying to build the next big app and failing, and having very wealthy parents, even for the private school I went to. I was thinking of reaching out a while back, glad I didn't.
Team 10 are a family! You know how you're in a family and every so often you have a family meeting and decide to disown one of your siblings because they're giving off bad vibes. Normal regular family thing that happens.
It honestly sounds like Jake was trying to form a cult rather than a group of creators and talent. Just reeks of mental and social manipulation with his every word.
“We all loved the Martinez twins. They were an integral part of the team” What’s their names. Call them by their names then if you loved them so deeply and forreal
Ive always felt this very rapey, very "yo you know who i am?" mentally compromised energy from the Paul brothers. My opinion will most likely never change Although, thankfully, as im a 39 year old man, im about 29 years over their target audience, fanboys and their own mental maturity.
Per ex members memoirs, the psychology behind how jake handled his talent is actually the same as how hugh hefner treated the girls in the playboy mansion
The fact Jake was willing to construct assault allegations on somebody, going as far as to manufacture a police report, and Logan co-signed that, over some internet drama is crazy, kinda nuts how that’s not talked about more often when ppl make these deep dives on Jake Paul and co.
These videos are always so amazing. The editing, research, and scripts are top tear. I think another amazing thing about TRO's videos are that I always feel like we can take life lessons and warnings through the issues he covers.
He called it team 10 because he wanted to earn 10 digits from the enterprise. That's probably why he refused to pay Alissa Violet and the Martinez twins despite their contracts, and the reason why he's refusing to let it die. I think he's stubborn and refuses to accept that his dream of obtaining 1,000,000,000 from this venture isn't possible.
This could not have come at a better time. I'm at the tail-end of an episode of awful anxiety, luckily the panic attacks are behind me now. A long, continuous video is _exactly_ what I needed to distract myself. Thanks TRO
The martinez twins were 18 when this started. My little sister is their age. Id have to start prepping for prison if i ever knew someone did this to her.
It's really interesting to see this whole retrospective on what happened to Jake, and while Logan isn't that much better a person, but he's definitely got the better "business genes" so to speak, able to break into mainstream such as the WWE. It's interesting that Jake never found that success his brother did tbh, it's insane to see how far apart in success the two brothers had.
Paul did not break into the wwe just look how wwe fans reacted to him. The actual sad truth is that if you have enough money you can be in WWE i mean fucks sake Donald trump was a guest host. If you have money and can bring some views that normally wouldent look at wrestling Then Mcmahon will be MORE then happy to take your cash. I have yet to talk with a Long term wwe fan that did not see his inclusion as just that Greed and a attempt to pull in a younger crowd. Like 20 years from now i Highly doubt people will be talking about paul the way they do other superstars but he will be rembered alot more like all the Bit characters that came out just to get jobbed
@@noctotainlowry9246 You're probably not a WWE fan so you might not know but he's the current US champ now. He's (in)famous enough to warrant the call to put the belt on him for internet points. I think that says more about Logan than anyone will about Jake lol
The (probably naive) shock I felt at the exploration of his actual issues from Alyssa followed up be “people are gonna be like don’t…drop that track” was a truly transcendent experience.
I will never forgive jake and logan paul for removing the phrase "what's up guys" from the english language. I used to say "what's up guys". It was my thing. I was the "what's up guys" guy. That was my phrase. Never again. Thanks for nothing, Paul brothers.
These internet personality collectives always go down in flames. Some want it to stay as a fun clique, others want it to expand as a legitimate business, and both sides have equal voting power. Some people leaving until the whole operation has to disband is inevitable.
This whole thing makes me depressed. The Paul parents are awful, but I know what it’s like from my own family. My grandparents are grandiose liars who let my father get away with whatever he wanted, and I saw what it did to my father. Creates a terrible cycle. I hope for the sake of everyone around them that eventually they realize something is very deeply wrong with the way they view themselves and the world.
I gotta say, i never cared for any of these influencers and don't consume any of their content, but i am always there for the Trainwreck catalogued in video format by TRO. Thank you buddy! Always providing entertainment and level headed critiques
Jake Paul's music is my alarms because only something that irritating can wake me up, I just wanted you to all know he's starting infiltrating my dreams and I've never been more upset.
Excellent, in-depth analysis of a subject I was never interested in! ...yet I still watch the entire thing. 🤔 Must be quality content, or some such! Thanks & Cheers! 💖
