A huge fan of Elizabeth Moss. Mad Men. The Invisible Man. Many other roles. She’s a wonderfully watchable actor. Can’t say the same for the series in question. If anyone can tell me where to jump back in to the story with any sliver of hope or humanity, I might issue a retraction.
Yes, I AM, @Looper, yes I AM. In fact, I had a conversation with someone back in May, of this year, and I told her I could easily see a Season 5. She did not believe me, but I can only imagine the look on her face when she learned there would be a 5th Season!
I just started binge watching it last Friday, currently on e3 s2 just now, and I gotta say it is one provocative and intense show. I've been feeling strong emotions about that kind of dystopian society and just about thankful of my freedom of choice rn
@@PipsKay No one took a woman’s right to choose to go to a baby butcher. The Supreme Court ruled Roe V Wade was Unconstitutional as took the rights of the states away. Notice, that planned parenthood hasn’t collapsed? Abortion, unlike the babies, is alive and well. As far as the alphabet community goes, they’re probably one of the most protected classes in the US. Just the wrong joke can get you fired, and ostracized. Andrew Tate was banned from all of his social media for stating opinions. Also banned from his bank, Uber, etc for apparently misogynistic speech. So how is western society going in this direction? Women are the most privileged people in society, especially white women. And if I’m not mistaken, in the show, the women who are raped and impregnated are the only women who can get pregnant, right? That’s super unrealistic. If only a percentage of women could get pregnant they’d be the ones with value to men, and the barren ones would have little to no value, as far as commitment. The ones who could get pregnant wouldn’t be killed and tortured. They’d be treated like gold. The ones who are barren would be ignored, like most women who hit 35. It seems to me you have that white woman persecution victim mindset. No one’s coming after you. You can stop being paranoid.
June makes so many wrong choices in the first 2 seasons, she is really reckless with the lives of other people while having the protection of being pregnant. It is a good show, but it also is very emotional and frustrating. I personally would have seen right through Serena and she could be so easily manipulated as long as she thought it was her own idea. And I absolutely cannot stand Luke. He pretends to be a victim of something but isn't of anything. And the only reason he got shot, was he shot first. I just hate the guy. I adore Janine. It's a good show, a great show. And it's truly terrifying.
I think June is a baddest b*** because lets be clear here we wouldn't survive that shit she probably makes wrong choices but at the end it was worth it amd i agree Luke is not fit for June i prefer Nick Luke want's June to be her old self while he knows everything she went through he's not logical.
Hmmmm. I wonder what fueled this observation. Luke was a victim. His child AND wife were taken away as they tried to escape. He definitely wasn't an innocent angel but neither was June
i think whenever this decide to end this show they shouldnt make the testaments its own series they should have (whenever the decide the show should end) the last few episodes or the entire last season just be "The Testaments" storyline. if it is made into its own series then at some point the plotlines may become stale and you start asking yourself "Is Gilead ever Going to Fall?"
I gave up on Handmaid’s when I decided I’d like a little sunshine in my life. Every time you get a ray of hope, it gets dashed. I can be depressed without a subscription to a streaming service. I keep wondering why Hollywood portrays the future as bleak, dark, hopeless dystopian. Anyone can observe that in nearly every way modern American life is vastly better than at any time in history.
@@Laid2Rest94 I’m not expecting utopia. Nor realism from TV/movies. Neither has ever been achieved. Leaders (try communism, socialism, Marxism) have promised utopia which clearly has been at the expense of nearly everyone except the leaders. You can’t say life is perfect in the US. The poorest of the poor are better off than our ancestors. Margaret Atwood has said she didn’t write about anything that hadn’t been done by someone at some point. You can find extreme outliers and pretend they are the norm. Dishonest, depressing, misleading. Yes, I’ve clearly over thought this.
@@arancienne This dumb clip created (or was it me?) quite a discussion. It’s just TV. Entertainment is subjective. I did say “nearly” every way. There will always be poor. Every US president in modern history has declared a new administration can bring an end to poverty, homelessness etc. Poverty persists. There will always be corrupt, bloodthirsty dictatorships. Conditions in third world countries may be worse than in the past. Most (not all, I don’t want to get in trouble with you) of the poorest among us today live better than the wealthy a century ago. My point may not have hit the target. I’d just like to see more film or TV series showing a bright future where mankind has solved problems they have created with ingenuity and creativity. Something that shows goodness in people.
@@markrobinson891 I understand all of that my comment was just to get you, and others who may come across this, to reflect on who life is actually good for in modern day America.
i hate when people try to force intersectionalism when it's not needed. the "they didn't focus enough on race" criticism is so stupid given that this takes place in a fictional FUTURE after slavery based on race was abolished in america. besides the story is based on oppression of ALL women. What on earth does race have to do with it?
@@HTKennedymusic let's compare... handmaid's tale: Based on the best-selling novel by Margaret Atwood, this series is set in Gilead, a totalitarian society in what used to be part of the United States. Gilead is ruled by a fundamentalist regime that treats women as property of the state, and is faced with environmental disasters and a plummeting birth rate. In a desperate attempt to repopulate a devastated world, the few remaining fertile women are forced into sexual servitude. One of these women, Offred, is determined to survive the terrifying world she lives in, and find the daughter that was taken from her.On the latter point, a major takeaway of the Pew report (and its companion from this year) is that fertility has much less to do with religion and much more to do with economics, social services, women’s empowerment, and conflict. The fertility rate across all 49 Muslim-majority countries fell from 4.3 children per woman in 1990-95 to about 2.9 in 2010-15. This was still higher than the global fertility rate in 2015, but it’s a strikingly fast drop given the fact that it took some Western European countries nearly a century to transition from six children per woman to three. soooo... it sure looks like the nation of islam to me.
@@chitwnhood I meant terminology wise it’s the wrong term to use. The Nation of Islam is a group of Black/African American Muslims founded by Wallace Fard Muhammad in the 1930s. It’s not the right terminology to refer to the greater Muslim community on a global scale. A drop in the fertility rate amongst the Muslim population globally isn’t a very direct correlation or comparison to the fictional world of The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood. That’s all I am trying to say.
My favorite part of Handmaids....where atwood flat out ignores the fact that minorities being "pushed out" of Gilead would real world translate into a literal fn holocaust. All to focus on the woes of a pretty little white girl. Self insert much Atwood? For reference see Germany 1943.
I read somewhere that in the book, they killed all poc though. So I guess in this show the premise would be that they killed all the non fertile woc. And since the womb is the only thing that matters, they killed all the moc. But it is undeniable that every black person in the story revolves around her.
Too many white people would have dismissed the events in The Handmaid's Tale as just another racial discrimination story if the lead character was a black woman. To get as many viewers as possible, the lead HAD to be white.
I liked the show, and it's message, but one of the funniest parts was when Commander Waterford spanked his wife with a belt. I wanted him to lift up her dress, but he didn't. C'mon man it's rated R.
I have a warped sense of humor, and I've laughed my butt off at things that aren't meant to be funny, but dude, really? Let someone whip your butt as hard and for as long as Fred whipped Serena and see if you still think it's funny. And you think it would have been more interesting? More funny? for him to whip her bare butt? He would have left her a bloody mess if he had beat her that hard on bare skin. That's just creepy...
I have never been able to watch it because of the premise. I've always been too scared. I don't want to feel sick to my stomach just for watching a show 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I have to admit...We started watching Handmaid's Tale and Man in the High Castle as Dystopian Science Fiction...but the further we got into the tRump Administration...they became more like Training Films for the Resistance.
@@lesberkley3821 I wouldn’t speak too soon. If authoritarianism really gets going, I’m pretty sure leftist genz is going to be blinding fascists with glitter and shanking them with hello kitty butterfly knives. Those kids are NOT f***ing around.
Another case where the book and the show are nothing alike. There is mo June in the book you never know the name of the person writing and the sequel doesn't continue her story.
@@sharonj3979 I have, and all the way through. I know there is an important reunion at the end. I really have no idea what book you read if you don’t think Junes story was followed throughout the book. Spoiler alert, it was about baby Nichole and Hannah, how on earth can you possibly think it’s not a follow on from Junes story. Insane
@@dianeshelton9592 No it didn't even the shows creator admitted there is no June in the books. I don't know what delusions or drugs your on but I don't talk to irrational people. See ya
There is no show of the Testaments! I really don’t know what book you read , but if you are claiming to have read the Testaments and don’t know it’s a follow on of Junes Storytold through her daughters and Lydia then your comprehension skills are zero.
To anyone interested in the symbolism that is everywhere, in every scene - try doing a watch through and pay attention to HOW they use mirrors - there are mirrors everywhere, and they use them in some deeply thoughtful ways. Some of them are very obvious (but no less impactful), like when Lydia smashes her bathroom mirror after her date with Principal (Jim?... I can't remember his name...), but there are others that, when used with careful camera placement, offer up layer upon layer of meaning. The set up and presentation of everything from what color the walls are to what music is playing in the background is amazingly rich and deep. When talking about sets and how they're treated like characters, or extensions of characters: the thing that jumps out at me when they show any Handmaids bedroom is that they always look like an average little girls room as they were in the 60's/70's - the type of bedspread, the flowered sheets, even the jewelry box with the ballerina that spins when you wind it up and open the lid. Like calling them "girls" all the time, it's another way they manipulate how Handmaids are seen and treated - they treat their bodies like they're grown women, but in every other way they treat them like children.
@@malooskitty9124 : I'm obsessed with this show & I'm ok with that. On my last watch through, I tried to jot down a few of the places they use mirrors - these are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many ways they use mirrors, but the main 2 seem to be to show someone's state of mind, or to show something about relationships between people. The 1st one I noticed was in S2/E3 at 49:50. Moira is in Canada & is still trying to overcome what "working" at Jezebel's did to her feelings about sex - she goes to a bar & waits for a woman to pick her out, then has sex with her in the bathroom. When they're done, Moira turns to wash her hands. The woman asks her what her name is & Moira says her name is Ruby while being reflected in 2 different mirrors above the sink. It's a visual way of saying she's still split inside, she's still Moira AND Ruby. S2/E5 at 20:15 - June is pregnant & has been bleeding heavily for a few days. She's in the tub & we can see both her real face upright, & her reflection in the blood darkened water upside-down. This one seems to be showing us 2 things - that she doesn't want to make herself lose the baby, but that she wouldn't be unhappy if she did because then she won't have to give it to Serena, and it also seems to symbolize that this is where June's "dark side" is really starting to come to life. S2/E12 starting at about 33:25 - Emily is posted at the Lawrence's home, & she's getting ready for bed. This one's a bit harder to catch, but at about 33:35, start listening for the door creaking, & watch closely. At 33:38 you can see a very tiny Mrs. Lawrence reflected in the mirror Emily is looking into. Emily sees her in the mirror 1st, then turns to look directly at Mrs. Lawrence. This one seems to be a way to introduce us to Mrs. Lawrence, to show how timid, tiny & fragile she is. S3/E1 - this one is complicated & I didn't catch the timestamp for it. The whole thing starts with Serena sitting in her room applying rubbing alcohol to the stump of her little finger. What follows is a series of different reflections of Serena's full face, half her face, shots where we can see the back of her head & her face reflected in a mirror at the same time, and shots while she's getting dressed that show her in bits and pieces - all of those images do a good job of showing us that her sense of self has been broken & distorted. The last part of this one is where Serena is looking at herself in a mirror, then leans forward till her forehead touches the mirror - it looks like she's literally leaning on herself. One last one for now - S4/E5 at 20:44 - Aunt Lydia is at commander Lawrence's home to get him to help her be re-instated as an Aunt - at that time stamp, you can see Lydia reflected in 2 side by side mirrors - 2 Lydia's. This one seems to be showing that Lydia's self image is starting to change and/or showing that part of her doesn't want to be there asking for help, but part of her will do whatever it takes to be in charge of "her girls". There's so much more - I'm seriously considering doing some videos about all the themes, symbols, camera angles, positions of people and objects in relation to each other and more.
It's excellent! Also, heartbreaking, dark, suspenseful, twisted, & superior in its ability to show the pure, dynamic evil that arises when a segment of society is "gifted" with absolute power.
You said that twice. BUT...I can see a Season 5...I've got a feeling that if they go to 6 (or more) they'll run out of ALL steam. Seriously...If I could contact the producers...I'd advise them to put a bow on it this year or next.
@@goodnightmyprince6734 I am a Christian..the Waterford’s, the whole of Gilead, is NOT Christian. “Love your neighbor as yourself.” They may use passages from the Bible but it’s all out of context or only half the verse to suit them. June demonstrates this by finishing a verse about “the meek will inherit the Earth” that Aunt Lydia started and then beat her for.
I went into watching this show thinking that's how it would be, but that's not what I've been seeing. It honestly looks to me like they've been giving quite a bit of thought to how such a society would end up being a nightmare for everyone in one way or another. Commander Putnam having his left forearm cut off, Nick being forced to marry and have sex with Eden (who's still a child, even if her pelvic development says otherwise), all the suffering Luke has gone through, Commander Lawrence realizing too late that the society he helped create has left his wife without the treatment she needs, and more. Gilead isn't a utopia for anyone.
The LGB angle put in the TV show was way over represented. One would think everyone is gay in the future. They ought to have stayed true to the book. As far as the criticisms of race and slavery, at the 5:40 mark, do people really not know that slavery in the early years of our country had nothing to do with race? Black people owned both black and white slaves, white people owned both black and white slave. It had nothing to do with color or race. That's Hollywood and public school indoctrination for ya. Look for history books written BEFORE actual racist and white supremacist President Wilson if you're interested in real history of black Americans and their incredible, amazing contribution to America. He attempted to rewrite the history of America and so much has been lost!! Trump was horrible, and now we have a pedophile in the office of POTUS... sad statement of the state of America, for sure! :(
slavery started off as simply a need for labor. later on when the importing of slaves ended, it slowly started to become a race thing. many started to believe it was actually good and that’s why abolitionists had to continually attempt to get slavery outlawed for so long. once slavery was outlawed, freed blacks had no where to go or a way to get right in with society. it was very much a race thing, although it wasn’t in the beginning. even tho it was eventually outlawed, everyone still saw blacks as slaves or a form of property. so bc of slavery, obviously, race became a wayyy bigger factor. also, in many states, slaves couldn’t even read or own property. what the hell r u talking abt with “black ppl owned white and black slaves.” are we reading the same history books? bc i’ll tell u right now ain’t none of that happened in “the early years of our country.” maybe ur just a troll or a bigot, but ur idea of history is faulty. do better.
Considering he pandered to conservative extremists like white supremacists and christian nationalists like white evangelicals and is a misogynist, yeah, ok dude.
There's nothing great about this program. It's depressing, it's abuse on all levels for women, and the saddest part, wonen are they're #1 target for their audience.
@@twostepz4982 what context would that be, the context of abusing women, the context of a depressing storyline, the context that women fawn over a program that should never have seen the light of day, please explain what context you're talking about.
