I don't necessarily agree that Batman wearing fabric is all that ridiculous. He actually did wear body armour underneath his fabric suit in the first Joker comic, so just do that instead of making it the batsuit itself. Besides how many characters in action movies actually wear body armour? Do characters in sword movies always wear armour? No and you can argue he wears simple stuff to keep his speed and agility in order for his aimdodging.
Actually BvS Batman does have body armor under the exterior suit. I think the tear apart art was to show how it was under and not necessarily to be used in the movie. We can see some bullets impacts on the suit be it does not appear to be pierced by it, implying that the suit is protective enough for Bruce to be shot at so there is most likely armor under, just like we can see in the movie with his reinforced helmet
honestly, they should have gone with Metallo instead of doomsday it means they had the perfect setup with Wally. He hates superman and is crippled so they could have had lex get him and said I can give you a way to kill superman. You would still need the trinity because Metallo is powered by kryptonite which neutralizes superman, he is far too powerful for batman to handle so you would need wonder woman in that battle to help them and save the death of superman for a later film and not waste it in the second film he is in
Nah. Sounds like a typical Marvel film. I think it’s chilling that Wallace was used as a Trojan Horse and tragically killed by Lex. And the fact that Zod comes back as Doomsday, laughing at Superman, is awesome.
You should do one for Justice League since Zack Snyder said he had different ideas but weren't filmed like Darkseid killing Lois. And other different Steppenwolf designs
@@ironkcoony It's not their attentions spans that's the issue. It's the overly bloated script that Snyder puts to screen that makes him and his fans think it's art house cinema. The UE would still have been trashed. It would've just been slightly more coherent.
@@ironkcoony yet people will watch a over 3 hour avatar movie and a 3 hour avengers movie. The audience dont know what they want its up to the director to give it to them and Zack Snyder is a genius among men. What he was crafting was magical shame on WB, shame on Gun. History was being made and they ruined it.
Imagine taking your kids to see a Superman/Batman movie and not only getting a dreary violent depressing oppressive experience, but one that's rated R and is three hours long. Yeah, that was the problem. That's why the two biggest superheroes of all time meeting in live action for the first time ever didn't crack a billion when by all rights it should have gone for two. It wasn't alienating enough. That's the problem right there. It just wasn't extra enough. I'm sure we'd be on Justice League 3 by now if they had just released the three hour R-rated Superman/Batman movie that kids couldn't see. Yep. Makes sense
I imagine the Ultimate Edition would've fared better in theaters than the two and a half hour version. Even then, some of the more violent scenes would end up being toned down to obtain a PG-13 rating.
I actually love the idea of Batman wearing some type of Kevlar fabric with light armor, in the comics he wore cloth because armor slowed him down. We have to remember how skilled Bruce Wayne is, his body is literally a weapon, he can run jump and fight better than anyone in the dc universe. The directors should really dive deeper into that aspect of Batman.
Don't get me wrong, I like the movie but I really wished it focused more on Batman and Superman because if this was based on Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns or modern Batman vs Superman fights, It would've been better because Doomsday in this movie absolutely makes no sense, Great videos as always.
@@FroMarty honestly maybe it's because I don't really care about that character all that much but I thought he was handled well plus I heard they're two of em.
@@guilhermehank4938 He even could have served as the embodiment of hatred humanity felt for Superman, resulting in his downfall. I don't mind Doomsday, but I always thought Metallo would have been cool.
@@SirDankleberry He became violent as he was a fallen batman and antagonist. it was not like he always killed from the beginning in his career which was depicted multiple times. Branding criminals and violence was also part of a lonely place of dying arc if you read pre 52 comics.
@@SirDankleberry and in multiple realities batman kills and even in previous movies he has killed directly or indirectly. it was here only mentioned that batman has changed, and he shouldn't be hence he was different in JL part one and Aquaman (in og script). Even in the cancelled The Batman movie he was supposed to face consequences and guilt trip for becoming violent.
@@SirDankleberry He killed Mercenaries and K.G.Beast, who killed multiple people, framed Superman, assisted Luthor in the bombing of the Capitol, and kidnapped Martha Kent. Plus he stopped killing in Justice League, so stop bitching about him killing.
I still think they jumped the gun on having Doomsday when it could have just been Bizarro. Too big too soon to kill off Superman and I think that was a crucial mistake on itself but love the art design of the film. Also Metallo, yes
No lol. Metallo was a perfect option because they had an entire story built around the events of MoS, the stuff with Wally would have made him perfect and it would have played out quite naturally. Bizarro doesn’t really fit this kind of story at all, unless they made zod into bizarro, would wouldn’t have made any sense at all since he’s a direct clone of superman. I think the Metallo concept is brilliant but I see why they went with doomsday, to have a final fight between Batman superman and Wonder Woman you need a pretty powerful villain. Metallo would have probably been beaten very easily by Diana, his only advantage is his kryptonite based weaponry. Diana is a Demi-god, plus Batman would have been able to neutralise him quite easily Doomsday was really the best option in that respect, or at least better than bizarro.
These arts also confirm many rumored things for this tape, Metallo as the second antagonist and Nolan's Batman instead of Affleck's. I suspect that Metallo's plot was changed by Doomsday's in favor of Warner's plan for Justice League since with Metallo the death of Superman would not have been an option and this would perhaps open the way to a sequel to Man Of Steel interesting all these concepts Anyway, BVS for me is still the best installment that Zack made for his DC universe
This movie (UE) should have been great with some changes : 1) If Snyder used a Batman who doesn't kill and 5 years like experienced , it should have been great Superman was the first person Batman about to kill , So that Martha scene would have made more sense . 2) Lex Luthor should have been act like Lex Luthor , Jesse Eisenberg as the Lex Luthor is a big miscasting 3)They never have to kill Superman this soon , that moment should come after multiple Justice league movies 4) This movie should have been world accepting Superman as their hero . Batman and Superman becoming friends. 5) Doomsday was too early for this universe , it should have been Metallo or Bizarro and Lex Luthor must had a master plan if they turn against him .
if Warner Brothers not interfered with Zack's vision, this movie would have been better recieved. the Ultimate Directors cut of the movie is the one they should've released, but WB cut a ton of crucial plot elements. i still believe Batfleck is the best bat we have seen, he is raw, powerful, the suit and the car, everything works. the cave, Alfred, this vision is the best one that exists
The movie would have been better set in the winter & doomsday original design looks more intimidating even that batwing looks cool as hell & metslo would have added more 2 the plot there's so many ideas here if only WB
I enjoyed BVS especially Bens Batman. However I wish the series of events went like this in a perfect world: 1. Superman Man of Steel 2. Man of Steel 2 3. Batman Solo film 4. Wonder Woman 5. Batman V Superman 6. Batman 2 7. Justice League
Snyder was originally going to use the design shown in 13:36 as his final form but the studio tried to neutralise his look to avoid him looking too scary. Remember dc has had complaints in the past that kids found some villains too scary, for example Danny devs penguin was labelled too monstrous for a superhero film. So this design for scrapped and they forced him to make doomsday appear more human like to make him less intimidating
Hey dude, cool video, it was interesting to hear about these different designs and concepts for the film. I would suggest that you work a bit more on the audio of your videos because here it was a bit too quiet so I then had to raise the volume, but then whenever an ad would pop up it ended up being too loud. So yeah, good video, good editing, hope you can fix the audio problem, and I wish you and everybody here a good day and a better tomorrow :)
I think the reason why in the concept art where its set in winter is kinda similar to how in The Dark Knight Returns the fight with Superman and Batman took place winter. I also love Batflecks suit as well.
It would’ve been better if they made World’s Finest (especially as a Batman movie and a sequel to Man of Steel) into a movie and have Metallo as the main villain instead of combining Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman.
Some of these concepts were interesting. I don’t think much could have salvaged the movie but it’s interesting to see the levels of creativity that go into even messy movies. Thanks for making this!
It's amazing that art always gives you a window into many drastic directions a film could've gone. The amazing thing is that the art only presents alternate takes on the visuals. It's completely separate from the actual story, which means the film (Whether good or bad) would've turned out the same way In most cases.
I remember seeing the original idea of BVS when Ben Affleck was originally going to be Deathstroke imitating Batman and when Superman fought him after that they would have reveal the real Batman played once again by Christian Bale and Bizarro was also involved who would later transform into Doomsday but I think they discarded the idea because the audience got really confused.
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It's not a bad movie it just needs to be sent to the editor. The pacing is terrible its just so slow. I watched the DC cut and it was really long and slow. I don't mind slow but slow with a purpose not slow just to be long. I read once where producer said that Prince had studio diarrhea. Everything that came out of his mouth he thought had to be recorded and put on an album. I think Snyder has that problem. Every idea he gets is put on film. He started doing that with Next Men. His cut of Justice League is better but it doesn't need to be over 4 hours.
That’s usually because money is a factor and movies can’t always use the concept art. Concept arts are very detailed and aren’t made with vfx. Bringing those onto live action movies is a very difficult task, and to have them there for any lengthy amount of time is very expensive.
Metallo would've been great instead of Doomsday, they should've built him up to be a looming almost Thanos-like threat like they did in the original superman comics by having an end credits scene of him punching his ship door, each subsequent film until he emerged in like the fourth film or something.
That would be overkill for someone like doomsday. Doomsday is just a physical threat. If your going to have someone with as much built up momentum as thanos did they can’t just be physically strong
I love this movie more and more with each passing year, but despite my growing appreciation for it, one constant remains: *I still hate this Doomsday design.* It's just so... yuk. No. That's not it, guys. That's not it! I'm not sure if you know this or not, but one of the reasons this Doomsday turned out so unrecognizable in the finished film was a directive Deborah Snyder (Zack's wife/executive producer) gave the visual effects studio to incorporate features of Jesse Eisenberg and Michael Shannon, respectively, since this Doomsday was an amalgamation crafted from Lex Luthor's and General Zod's genetic material. If you look closely, you'll see hints of this in his brow ridge, nose, and jawline. He ends up looking like more of a deformity than he does the ultimate lifeform seen in the comics. He was also waaaaay too tall for this film. A more accurate physical representation consistent with the source material would be trading the heights of Doomsday and Darkseid, respectively. Doomsday is the one who should be 8 ft tall since he's the universe's most adaptable lifeform capable of surviving in all environments, whilst Darkseid is the one who should be 12 ft tall since he's a nephilim/god figure. Doomsday is not the lumbering giant BvS portrayed him as. P.S: They went overboard with the electricity and energy powers too!
@Edits but why do the death of Superman with a character *called* Doomsday, but who for some reason isn't this universe's version? It's just a silly creative decision
@Edits I understand that, but did anyone expect the "real Doomsday" to show up? For all intents and purposes, this is that universe's Doomsday, unless they planned on fumbling the Death of Superman a second time
@@itsgeegra that death of superman idea was WB idea just for Justice League ideas since zack originally intended and WANTED Man Of Steel 2 and 3 and 2 Batman movies and even 2 wonder woman movies before original BVS title which is called "Sons Of Suns Rises and Knights's Dawn of Justice" back in late 2013 after Man of steel .
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I've mentioned before, in other videos, the Batman V Superman - Ultimate Edition is a MASTERPIECE! The only fantasy changes I would want are an "Injustice - Gods Among Us" version of Doomsday and Michael Rosenbaum as Lex Luthor.
2:08 Well I mean Arkham Batman (before Arkham Knight & not including Origins) had his suit mostly made of Kevlar not just spandex like the others before him.
The Dark Knight sets in DCEU could've make sense cuz Batman is aging and Christian Bale was the right choice to play old Bruce Wayne as seen from the Dark Knight returns.
Can you make a video about zack Snyders original Plan for the dceu? I heard he planned mos2 and AFTER that TWO movies of bvs? Dont know if its true but the dceu would have gone a way better direction if they wouldnt have rushed
It's not a unique take on the DC universe. Grimdark DC was all over the place in the 90s. Overly pretentious existentialist superhero deconstruction is not new and hasn't been for a long time. I can't think of much in this whole movie that was original, frankly. Stuck in the 90s is the opposite of original
Fabric suit is the best can't improve on perfect. Armor always makes him look lame thinking he needs armor is just that Nolan style nonsense where he was absolutely ashamed his Batman movies were Batman movies. Batman is old school and skilled and reflects it in his costume.
men they should have used the first concept it looks better than the one we got so many good concept part of the movie that didnt make it men would have been awesome to see batman tried fighting doomsday like he kept the armour suit and help the two
