The US Grand Prix 2005 - what actually happened? | F1 Story Time 

Chain Bear F1 thanks for clearing this up, i was thinking i was going crazy 😀👍

Your content is always amazing, keep up!

Ok, can someone explain to me(or give a timestamp of) what is the mistake referred here? I thought there was no mistake at 3:05 - the car turns right, the tarmac resists, no?

I was always thinking that beacuse of banking the stress on the tires is actually lower, because of the weight of the car pointing towards the center of the corner. Isn't it? I'd say that the down force was higher on that corner (added aerodynamic down force and centric force % due to the bank angle), this could increase pressure in the tyre, but idk if that could cause such problems. And keep up good work, I love your videos!

Kostadin Kotev the force would be in the opposite direction though. So the tyres should be tearing inwards towards the corner as they try to hold the car on line.

Mosley is such a loser. These are multi-million dollar/pound/euro teams who are throwing away money on a race that went from non-points scoring to non-championship to not even sanctioned by the FIA. They were being true racers and tried to give the U.S. a show, no matter what the cost. I applaud Stuart for being such a delightfully polite person to not rag the FIA, but it was the FIA's fault that this didn't go well. 1) They put rules in place that prevented tire changes mid-race. 2) They didn't allow Michelin to just call up the Jordan F1 Team or something and say "hey guys, we need to collect some juicy data. Meet us at Speedway, Indiana so we can do this. Bring some 2 year old cars too". They left Michelin no opening to fix the issue before it appeared. 3) They shot down every reasonable idea and suggested some that were so mind-boggling-ly stupid that a 3rd grader would cringe. Slowing down in front of F1 cars going full speed? *Seriously?* 4) When the teams, likely prepared to take the heat in a worst case scenario, tried their best to do SOMETHING, *ANYTHING* for the fans to get what they paid for, the FIA decided to put an end to their valiant efforts by throwing double-birds to *the entire U.S. auto racing scene* by threatening events that had nothing to do with this whole debacle. And years later, the FIA still treat racers and race fans like dog s**t. What a surprise....

Mitchell-Wallis Force Well, FIA had a whole different meaning back then.

@@cjunsen667 Federation Internationale de l'Arseholes....

@@DannyPlaysStuff correction. Ferrari International Assistance.

So may organisations at the top of sports are purely parasitic. FIA, ICC, FIFA. All bring nothing but damage to their sports

How weird was it to see 6 cars on the grid?

@@gianniaurilio8163 It was absurd, especially because one of the Bridgestone teams was Ferrari, and the other two (Jordan & Minardi) were no match for them. Ferrari lapped Jordan, which themselfs lapped Minardi.

@@FriedrichHerschel ferrari peeps didn't even celebrate the podiums, just went home

Tbh it wasn't even Michelin's fault, glad you got your refund back too tho

U should told them to give u free tires

Imagine a 20 car Trulli train

ALL ABOARD THE TRULLI TRAIN 🚋🚋CIUFF CIUFF MOTHERFUKERSS 🚂🚂

@@SuperFoz you mean Monaco '04? :P

I'm pretty sure Trulli tried that on multiple occasions regardless.

He would've won that race too

Haha, RU-vid need to check the content the ads are connected to :)

OOF

Got an F1 ad at the beginning

U are just salty cuz alonso won the title and he was the best driver. Typical Schumi Fan Boy

I like alonso too but that rule was specifically implemented because they didnt want schumi to dominate. The company that sanctioned that rule was non other than Michelin

I have to agree. I guess Shumi and Ferrari were dominating the F1 too much at the time that there didn't seem to much of a challenge anymore. Thats probably why they did it. Still a stupid idea though

And ends up costing Kimi a win

@@MrAlucard1986 except they only had 1 win that year, and it was this race.

Matthew Panini Would make for some nice stories indeed. Although I think he should stick to ones with a sound factual basis, just like this one, and refrain from speculations or using a lot of hearsay in these 'documentaries'. This would mean not all of these track related stories would be suitable.

I want chainbear to do the 1967 Monza GP now! :D

Matthew Panini are you that guy who used to leave nasty comments on videos in F1's channel? Haven't see you in a while, hope you're a bit less of a twat now

maybe why the old monza and hockenheim tracks were dropped

he should do a vidio on Megelo 220 red flag incedent

Yes I legitly got back into F1 after coming across his videos. Watched F1 since I was a kid but mostly it was just a casual me and my dad kinda affair. I'm in love with the sport again, even if some of the weekends are boring. The talk and discussions rarely are, not to mention technical videos. Thank you Chain Bear, you gave me back F1.

*fateful

James Esparagoza not trying to be a dick but it’s tyre not tire

Well, too bad you were unsuccessful, but in the U.S its tire. Just like color and colour.

@@bandithimself6841 Meh, it's totally fine. Grammarly also bugs me a lot when I type in certain words.

@@bandithimself6841 Not trying to be a dick but in the US and Canada at least it's "Tire." Where as "Tyre" is UK and Australia.

Recnamoruen not unsuccessful just didn’t know us used tire as tire is a completely different meaning in the uk and how does not knowing one difference between the American language (which really seems to be created for people who are lazy) and the English language

It was so.... bad

@@dislexyc that happened because if i remember correctly Minardi had talked to Jordan about them not running either, and had been assured. but when Jordan didn't pull off, they had to keep their cars out there.

@@Nxtl68 Imagine if Minardi and Jordan pulled out, and Barrichello crashed into Schumacher, it would have been a race with all DNFs. More seriously, Monteiro managed to get more podiums than Hulkenberg despite having less opportunities.

I mean, he got the actual physics portion wrong (and has admitted as much, I'm not saying anything he hasn't already acknowledged), so maybe not.

Well he was an OK driver in a shit car. Hey knew he would never get the chance to score points again. And in all fairness he could only race with his teamate and the minardis. So he wan his race...

I was 7 back then and didn't know what the fuck was going on lol

Same for me...

The tyre change ban, which was requested by none other than Michelin to curb Bridgestone's short stint advantage, came back to haunt them eventually.

i dont't think the chicane was axed for safety. it would probably be safer than turn 1 on the same track! it was the FIA/Mosley doing what powerful do: be insecure about people knowing how powerful they are and needlessly flexing it

The one tire set rule was done purely to stop ferrari's dominance in the sport.

@@anthonyschmidt-ellis6353 Yeah, Bridgestone designed their tyres to be superfast for a short time, but for a price of having them changed when refueling, while the Michelin were more harder and durable

The chicane would've been safer than any of the suggestions the FIA had

9 teams agreed to withdraw - this includes both Jordan and Minardi teams. But Colin Koles, the head honcho of Jordan Grand Prix (Eddie was no longer calling the shots after he sold the team to Alexander Schneider and Midland Group), decided to start, throwing a wrench in Paul Stoddart's plans to not race no matter what. Given his previous agenda with Mosley, chief amongst them not allowing the team to race with 2004-spec car, Stoddart had no choice, but to also appear on the start, but he said that one Minardi will be withdrawn for every retired Jordan. Paul Stoddart was clearly miffed and there's an interview with him (you can find it on RU-vid) where he vents his entire frustrations and even saying that "this is not a race, it's a farce" and that he'd rather see his team score 0 points than capitalize on 14 cars less grid, but because Jordan appeared on the grid, Minardi were "forced" to do so as well

ivaneurope I knew it was something like that, probably should have looked into it a bit before posting my comment. Thanks for correcting my mistakes! :)

@@ivaneurope But this begs the question... If both Minardi and Jordan didn't appear on the grid and Ferrari were the only starters, who would have got the last spot on the podium? Trulli? I mean he got pole so it would make sense.

@BWOAH None of the Michelin runners received points as they haven't covered 1%, let alone 90% ot the race distance, required for a driver to be classified. This means that had Minardi and Jordan stuck with the Michelin teams and not raced as planned then we'd have seen the embarrassment of only 2 Ferrari cars and Schumacher and Barrichello being the sole drivers on the podium. IMO the teams (sans Ferrari) wanted to put the FIA and Max Mosely in the corner where he'd had no choice but to either install the chicane right off the bat or postpone the event (but considering this is a flyaway race it was impossible).

@@ivaneurope Ok, but I heard a team radio of Schumis race engineer who said “Räikkönen is eight“ which would make sense since he was second on the grid, but as you said that was irrelevant, since he wouldn't get classified anyway.

Tbh while Max Mosley was a great FIA president he was known to be a fuck about this stuff. I reckon Jean Todt would've made an exception given the situation

Ikr, that was a day where politics ruled over common sense. The Bridgestone manufacturer had a similar situation on a previous race (I don't remember where and when) but the Michelin team didn't make anything to help their rivals on the tyre war, Jean Todt, principal of Ferrari ar the time, rejected the idea of the chicane as there wasn't testing of fule consumption, tyre wear and brake cooling with the altered track, in fact Jean Todt didn't attend to most of the discussion, leaving Ferrari and Bridgestone as the bad guys. To what I understand Minardi and Jordan were willing to help Michelin teams. The idea of pitstops every 10 laps wasn't legal as in 2005 they were banned and after Kimi accident in the European GP an addendum to that rule that stated that a team would've to retire a car if it was unsafe to drive was put in place.... So yeah, really a sad day on how the greatest minds of a engineered driven sport couldn't settle on what to do

The FIA being the FIA

they werent being total dicks but I believe that a main concern for the FIA would be lawsuits

In 1994 some "dummy" chicanes were scattered all over the tracks in regards to the deaths of Senna and Ratzenberger. One of the most awkward placed was in Barcelona, which was basically two rows of tyre barriers before the then Nissan kink. It was odd and drivers couldn't avoid hitting it. The difference between Spain '94 and Indy '05 is that the chicane at Barcelona was approved by the FIA along with GPDA around the Monaco GP. The Indy case on the other hand was made on the very same weekend the race was held. The IMS was homologated and approved by the FIA WITHOUT the proposed chicane and any track alterations would need to approved to the FIA weeks in advance. And installing the chicane would've meant that the IMS in this configuration did not have the homologation required to hold FIA-sanctioned events, including F1. So the notion of placing "dummy" chicane was nixed. Eventually when MotoGP came to Indy in 2008 the layout of the questioned T13 was altered - they bypassed it altogether by installing Mickey Mouse-esque turns on the infield. The Indy GP in IndyCar (the race preceeding the big one - Indy 500) uses slightly modified version of the turns. Altering approved track layout was brought in AGAIN this year at Paul Ricard where the layout with the chicane, spliting the Mistral straight in half, was disliked and asked for its removal and making Mistral a single long straight. The FIA obviously rejected the idea on grounds that the track layout for F1 was already approved by the FIA and any alterations would mean that the track doesnt have the approval needed to stage F1 race weekend.

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They actually didn't do *any* tire testing. In case anyone wants to know just how terrible the NASCAR race went: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GZKFc4T-tTY.html

SAME

Same

Yeah but not that improvised chicane right before turn 13

I agree with James, being new to the sport I enjoy watching such content

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It’s a french company so pronouncing it Mishlan is valid

thtas awesome

Holy shit! 2005 was 13 years ago...

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And in my opinion, Max Moseley was and still is a dick. Scuse the language

remember when one of the BMW-chan sisters' legs got blown up?

For what

@@VerticalStrafes for willingly allowing a race to happen knowing that there is a defect in tyres. If those defects rear their ugly head and lead to the death of a driver and more so, fans, indiana would come down like the fires of dragons on the FIA. It would be PR suicide if the FIA forced the Michelin teams to race and someone got killed. The legal consequences would most likely be backed up by other states' district attorneys and maybe even the federal government of the U.S.

It would have been damn near impossible to manufacture a bunch of new tires for all the teams overnight let alone ship them out

If I'm not mistaking, there has been several iterations of the GP circuit after 2005 that used a chicane right there at the high-speed corner

I wouldn't take everything Red Bull say at face value :) But by monitoring timings, speed traps and doing sound analysis they can start to put together a comprehensive picture of the performance profiles of various engines. I'm not sure the Honda is there yet but I think Red Bull have spoken about the 2019 engine in high regard.