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The US Secret Aircraft That Made Everyone Go Crazy When It Was Released 

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The Scorpion armed reconnaissance jet from Textron Aviation is one-of-a-kind. No other tactical aircraft like it is currently in existence. The manufacturer took it upon itself to develop a unique aircraft to meet a specific need in the market no other aircraft could fulfill. In their confidence, they decided to use their own money against the norm for military aircraft development.
Typically, the government foots most of the bill and becomes the first user. But the Scorpion is not a typical aircraft. It can be built right in the US and then easily exported to countries all around the world.
At a quarter of the price of an expensive F-16, the Scorpion can cover border patrol, maritime security, drug interdiction, disaster relief, and counter-insurgency warfare roles. It may not have all the bells and whistles of a fully loaded fighter jet, but that is one of many reasons it is such an impressive aircraft.
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@countchocula8884
@countchocula8884 Год назад
I was an engineer on this program in Wichita KS. This jet was a slow ugly plane that nobody wanted. It's like an F-18 and a Cessna 172 had a one night stand. The head of Textron at the time thought it was a great idea and somehow imagined a huge market for it. For months and years the marketing department told Textron what they wanted to hear - "Yeah we're SO CLOSE to selling a bunch of these jets to XXX...." For some reason the orders never materialized but Textron kept pushing it. Their frustration at a lack of sales was taken out on the development team. I don't think I've ever been in an office setting with such horrible low morale. This program is another perfect example of some idiot with an MBA who doesn't understand aircraft and won't listen to the common sense of the people who actually know better.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
It really looks like this would be a sweet plane to tool around in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 in. I'm sorry you had to deal with terrible bosses while working on this hopeless diamond.
@spareparts7630
@spareparts7630 Год назад
I'm sure it goes from bad to worse when the government and beancounters get involved.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
@@spareparts7630 If the government HAD been involved, Textron wouldn't have wasted money and time building an airplane there was never going to be a market for.
@Oilburnerful
@Oilburnerful Год назад
Preach it.
@Rye042
@Rye042 Год назад
Textron should pushed AT-6 instead, they can compete actually with super tucano's and grab a contract for FMS.
@FastNBulbous
@FastNBulbous Год назад
Lol, Dark Skies is doing commercials now? I worked at Textron while they were building it and it wasn’t a secret, and nobody wanted to buy it. The Scorpion was absolute failure from a business perspective.
@eliclegg3804
@eliclegg3804 Год назад
which is a shame, ive gotten to see it at airshows a few times, i genuinely thought the air force would grab it for the light attack program but the F-35 kinda stopped that.
@liamh9814
@liamh9814 Год назад
The Air Tractor looks to have taken the proposed market instead.
@excell211
@excell211 Год назад
That's the porpuse of the channel, actually
@lancerevell5979
@lancerevell5979 Год назад
Same thing that befell the Northrop F-20 Tigershark. Good aircraft, no market. No contracts.
@laurentj7998
@laurentj7998 Год назад
What a pity, the design of this airplane was very nice !
@daviddehass6877
@daviddehass6877 Год назад
More updates: In February 2018 the Scorpion was eliminated from the USAF's Light Attack/Armed Reconnaissance aircraft competition, in favor of the Beechcraft AT-6 Wolverine and the Embraer A-29 Super Tucano. Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson described the AT-6 and A-29 as "most promising". In 2021, Textron's CEO says other programs have been prioritized above the Scorpion in its defense business.
@howardg2435
@howardg2435 Год назад
The turbo props may be slower, but they have a longer loiter time over target. that is very appealing to militaries for doing low level light strike work.
@scottconyac7846
@scottconyac7846 Год назад
I worked for Textron Aviation on the Scorpion Program in the Engineering Dept. It was way over budget and behind schedule and during its first flight. We all had to go back to work because they couldn't get the engines to start. A month later, almost all of us got laid off. Simply a commercial aviation had no business building a light fighter jet that was already crowded by so many other companies. Since than I moved to Fort Worth and working for a true defense company... Lockheed Martin delivering 6th Gen; F-35 fighter jets around the world!!!!
@jailbird1133
@jailbird1133 Год назад
Cessna already had a light attack aircraft and a trainer.
@michaelbartley9572
@michaelbartley9572 10 месяцев назад
You're an engineer that builds f35s but don't know the f35 is a fifth gen shot 6th. Yeah I'm calling bs. The u.s. hasn't developed the 6th gen of fighters yet.
@user-mp3eq6ir5b
@user-mp3eq6ir5b 4 месяца назад
Ill bet the Security was crazy at the Fort Worth plant.
@BigIronEnjoyer
@BigIronEnjoyer Год назад
Its interesting how "cheap light attack/ISR" has become a niche in the aviation world. We should get a video on the AT-802U Sky Warden that JSOC just bought. A crop duster converted into an attack plane. Almost as versatile as a helicopter in terms of where it can land and take off from, but with the higher reliability and capability of a fixed wing aircraft. I think that is low key going to be one of the coolest aircraft one could fly in the US military.
@solofilmproduction
@solofilmproduction Год назад
Looks excellent! So much potential for Central / South American and Asian markets.
@paulqueripel3493
@paulqueripel3493 Год назад
Hasn't he done it? I watched one the other day by someone.
@stewartcarroll304
@stewartcarroll304 Год назад
Ed Nash wasn't it
@ernestmalone44
@ernestmalone44 Год назад
Dust the corn fields or the enemy. Just change your loadout.
@philsalvatore3902
@philsalvatore3902 Год назад
A jet cannot begin to compete with a helicopter for certain missions such as attacking armor. The helicopter can attack from difilade, hiding behind trees and firing over top of them to attack enemy troops and armor. Helicopters can navigate around the battlefield at altitudes below 15 meters using terrain and foliage to hide their movements. The stiff wingers cannot do this.
@captaintoyota3171
@captaintoyota3171 Год назад
Dude if i was rich id totally buy one of these. Personal jet with big stable wings on a budget? Yes please
@angelosasso1653
@angelosasso1653 Год назад
There are more affordable options for you.
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 7 месяцев назад
​@@angelosasso1653ones that look better too..
@user-mp3eq6ir5b
@user-mp3eq6ir5b 4 месяца назад
Duslde if I was rich I'd do something else with my $$$$$
@PureCountryof91
@PureCountryof91 4 месяца назад
I would look at the Aeralis. Its super modular, multi engine capable, and by that, it has various available options. And, it looks sooo much better.
@docgillygun9531
@docgillygun9531 Год назад
Cool concept but with no armor, light payload, no main gun, and low speed and ceiling, this plane just won't fit the bill for any kind of offensive or defensive action in 2023. It's like an unstealthy F117 stealth bomber.
@JCMills55
@JCMills55 Год назад
When I was a crew chief on fighters we could get a new F-15 for $19 million and the F-5E Tiger II's I worked on were $5 million each. Days long past.
@Classified-cj3uk
@Classified-cj3uk Год назад
You can buy an f-5 for 995,000
@icemanxidkp
@icemanxidkp Год назад
whats that cost adjusted for inflation
@princybella5386
@princybella5386 Год назад
​@@icemanxidkpExactly money was worth a lot more back then.
@ltcuddles685
@ltcuddles685 Год назад
Yeah... the value per dollar was different back then. Doesnt technically make them cheaper back then.
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 Год назад
Was that 1990? In Top Gun Tom Skerrit mentioned $15 million as the price. It might have been the f14 tomcat.
@michaelreedx6823
@michaelreedx6823 Год назад
I'd hate to say this but the area of the market they were trying to corner was taken over by Drones.
@agentp6621
@agentp6621 Год назад
I worked on this project installing testing equipment. They were hoping the USAF would seek a dual role as an attack and a trainer. They failed to realize the standard to be able to withstand a 6.5 G climb. This aircraft could only handle a 6 G climb. It was rushed and haphazard. They hired people off the street who had no prior aviation experience. I only knew about FOD and took accountability because of my experience as an aircraft electrician in the army. I’m thankful no one got hurt. They would spend a full day cleaning out rivets and whatever else. Backwards from the “clean as you go” method.
@Hardball1Alpha
@Hardball1Alpha Год назад
They've "hired people off the street" since 1776. Now the politicians get their panties in a twist if you contract without union kickbacks.
@WTH1812
@WTH1812 Год назад
Bring back the F-20 Tigershark and the YF-23 airframes with upgraded engines, electronics, and avionics.
@LeonAust
@LeonAust Год назад
silly comment on many levels.
@WTH1812
@WTH1812 Год назад
@@LeonAust ... Really? Huge cost of new aircraft development is designing the airframe. Why reinvent the wheel when it's cheaper to refit the tyre?
@jamiestallwood5080
@jamiestallwood5080 Год назад
⁠@@WTH1812They have refit the tyre with proven platforms I.E F-15, F-16, F-18 etc. There is no market for a modern F-20 when you can offer the F-16 with its massive spares, support & knowledge pool. The legacy F-5 operators are few and far between nowadays and those of which who are friendly with the U.S have ordered F-35.
@WTH1812
@WTH1812 Год назад
@@jamiestallwood5080 ... One of the most under appreciated facets of WWII military production is the value of differing capabilities. For example, the P-47 which with fuel drop tanks reach most targets in Germany was supplanted by the P-51. The P-47 then switched to a role of suppression bombing ahead of the front lines using increased bomb loads and strafing to target troop assemblies, rail assets, marshaling yards and so forth. This pattern continued in Korea as the transition to jets was made by both sides with varying levels of success. In Vietnam, there was no match for the F-4 II Phantom until there was. F-111s supplanted F-105 in bombing sorties. And so forth. The point being, that while selling off James Wright's excess production of F-16s from 35 years ago, and there's big profit margins in the F-35, the NGAD scheduled for 2014 is still scribbling on drawing boards and drafting tables while ego's squabble over whose willy is widest.
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 Год назад
I know the Scorpion, it´s an interesting design, i hope for the creators that it will see success. Would be a shame if it just dies out.
@arnehurnik
@arnehurnik Год назад
It'd be a great addition for poorer countries.
@sim.frischh9781
@sim.frischh9781 Год назад
@@arnehurnik Even for the rich ones it could be a good addition, like for the southern US border patrol, given all the surveilance systems it has on board. Just to give one example.
@Rye042
@Rye042 Год назад
@@arnehurnik the poorer countries bought Kai FA-50 and M346. Border patrol uses turbo prop (super tucano) since it's cheaper with more load out than this. This aircraft is DOA.
@mikedrop4421
@mikedrop4421 Год назад
This plane has definitely not gotten much coverage. Thanks guys.
@CF26CEnt
@CF26CEnt Год назад
I've always liked the look of the Scorpion, it looks like a mini Tomcat to me, in a "we have a Tomcat at home" kinda way.
@SamaelVR
@SamaelVR Год назад
The Housecat
@what3973
@what3973 Год назад
THATS WHAT IM SAYINGGGG
@RamJetJockey
@RamJetJockey Год назад
The same reason the F-20 Tigershark was never built may sink the Scorpion. It won’t be used by the US military so foreign governments won’t be satisfied with “substandard “ jets.
@Legion-xq8eo
@Legion-xq8eo Год назад
It’s not that they are “substandard” jets, it’s that they won’t recieve the continued support and upgrades that a US military adopted fighter would!! What u bought is what u get, there would be no future upgrades or things added to it like if u bought something adopted by the US military!!
@jrrarglblarg9241
@jrrarglblarg9241 Год назад
@@Legion-xq8eo Off-the-shelf commercial aviation engines and avionics could make it cheaper to maintain and longer lasting/more easily upgradable to future tech than proprietary milspec stuff, so there’s probably a useful crossover point in engineering longevity here.
@drones7838
@drones7838 Год назад
Part of this jet was designed in my hometown. This jet has been around for a long time at least 10 years it’ll go somewhere when the war kicks off
@TheWorstBridger
@TheWorstBridger Год назад
Why? The f35 and f22 fill its roll perfectly as is
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
@@TheWorstBridger Less expensive, easier maintenance, quicker deploy and they will fill in the gaps as F-35 and F-22 get downed from use or shot. The amount of time either of those 2 take to manufacture plus the required rare metals means they are slow to replace. Heck the F-22 is no longer in production thanks to Congress, loosing one means zero replacement. But I am sure the plane to fill the gap will not be this one but the Air Tracktor.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
@@stratometal Countries that can afford jets want fast jets, not a subsonic POS with a marginal weight capacity (fully fueled it can only tote about 3,500 pounds) and countries that can't afford jets will buy a fleet of turboprops, not a handful of smurfjets flying on a pair of APUs.
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
@@katherineberger6329 Oh I know, but sometimes the want what they can't afford, those are usually the "Kim Juns" of the world. They want what the big bois do cuz monkey see monkey do, all about perceived status. That's all I am getting at. These people wanted to cater to those from what it looks like. Also Turboprops are freaking awesome, superfan of the SkyWarden and other similar turbo props.
@modelermark172
@modelermark172 Год назад
It's an interesting aircraft to be sure. That said, a better name would have been "Scorpion II," since - as far as I know - the first US aircraft of this name was the Northrop F-89.
@miket2120
@miket2120 Год назад
I wouldn't call it a US secret aircraft, as least not in the national security sense. It's more of a commercial project secret, so the competitors don't get any proprietary information. It's common practice in many industries, from aircraft to sports apparel.
@cyclonicleo
@cyclonicleo Год назад
At the very least, it would make a great jet trainer, but I feel that it has a lot of promise.
@LackofFaithify
@LackofFaithify Год назад
It only suddenly became a jet trainer when they could not sell the thing. Oh, it also lost a competition to be a trainer. So yeah, no.
@philsalvatore3902
@philsalvatore3902 Год назад
Most modern air forces specify a trainer that has the qualities of their front line combat jets. They want supersonic and often want afterburners so the trainee gets to learn how to manage these systems competently before they get into the front office of their $100 million combat jet.
@matdrat
@matdrat Год назад
Seems like the new trainer T-7A Red Hawk can be adapted to these roles.
@jadams3427
@jadams3427 Год назад
Does this aircraft bring anything new to the world that is not already covered by many others; some quite old ? E.g. Super Tucano, Saab 105, Cessna T37/A37, Pilatus PC-21, BAe Hawk, Alphajet, Alenia M-346, KAI T-50,..... I think the list can be a lot longer.
@what3973
@what3973 Год назад
i mean its a mini f14
@thekulolali
@thekulolali Год назад
It's just new f5 tiger with more money and less capabilities. I mean drones exist, what the point having this.. Basically it's the missing middle class. Like in society. It's rather going bigge or smaller
@dlkline27
@dlkline27 Год назад
I never heard of this aircraft until I found this video. Evidently it suffered a fate similar to the Fairchild T-46.
@konekillerking
@konekillerking Год назад
Desperate for new material. If I remember it was third in a group of three, and was the most expensive.
@LackofFaithify
@LackofFaithify Год назад
If by suffered you mean was surplus to requirement, then yes. It was one of the many shit hardware ideas born out of fighting insurgent groups but unlike so many, thankfully was not purchased.
@cojaxart8986
@cojaxart8986 Год назад
Two prototypes? N531TA and 532TA.
@whytebearconcepts
@whytebearconcepts Год назад
Except the Eaglet helped bankrupt Fairchild and led to the company collapsing.
@missalaineous8468
@missalaineous8468 Год назад
there are many secret aircraft types that were never disclosed. my uncle was a test pilot for the FR-426 and the T-32b (the latter's top speed was over Mach 7.6)
@MGAFFY
@MGAFFY Год назад
It almost reminds me of what a modernised A-10 would look like.
@pahtar7189
@pahtar7189 Год назад
Much smaller payload but higher speed. And of course no gigantic gatling gun. It could mount machine guns, but they're not going to take out hard targets like the A-10 can.
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
@@pahtar7189 Yup, the A-10 is built around its gun, they will never take it out no matter what, its an integral component
@chasespeer251
@chasespeer251 Год назад
I imagine if someone asked me to draw a light attack version of a F-14 with static wings this is damn near what I would come up with
@LeonAust
@LeonAust Год назад
@@stratometal The A10 is old tech and would not last long over a battlefield, as for the 30mm it would not be capable of penetrating modern MBT but would be capable of damaging a modern IFV or APC.
@jeffrielley920
@jeffrielley920 Год назад
Look up the A-9 and the SU-25.
@jbauern57
@jbauern57 Год назад
It would make a good COAST GUARD plane for the coastlines
@dareka9425
@dareka9425 Год назад
The Scorpion looks like it is made for Hot Shots 3!
@ThumperH60
@ThumperH60 Год назад
Interesting and very versatile airframe.
@undertow619
@undertow619 Год назад
It peaked my interest the moment I saw the compact shape and Harrier-like overhanging bubble cockpit.
@geoffkingman-sugars4515
@geoffkingman-sugars4515 Год назад
'piqued'❓
@Pau_Pau9
@Pau_Pau9 Год назад
I wish they also implemented swing-wing version of this aircraft. It will essentially be mini-F-14!
@Eis_
@Eis_ Год назад
That's like saying that a Cessna 172 should have swing wings. Lmao. This thing can't even go transonic. Adding that would just be detrimental to its turn rate while not really improving it's LD ratio.
@Pau_Pau9
@Pau_Pau9 Год назад
@@Eis_ Bu-bu-but, Its swing-wing!
@nevrock1
@nevrock1 Год назад
First Dark Skies video not to have a film clip of the wrong aircraft in the wrong theater. Thought for sure they show B-24s over North Africa or an F-84 in Korea.
@michaelhowell2541
@michaelhowell2541 Год назад
🤔😂🤣
@jrrarglblarg9241
@jrrarglblarg9241 Год назад
If random stock images bother you, go watch cartoons. Literally every documentary made by anyone with any budget will end up using stock images that are not 100% accurate to the specific words on the screen at that exact moment. Get over yourself.
@nevrock1
@nevrock1 Год назад
@@jrrarglblarg9241 or a Zero over California.
@joshschneider9766
@joshschneider9766 Год назад
​@@jrrarglblarg9241nah dude stop making excuses for crappy film making.
@jrrarglblarg9241
@jrrarglblarg9241 Год назад
@@joshschneider9766 You seem angry. Go touch grass. Buy a frisbee or something.
@johnforsyth7987
@johnforsyth7987 Год назад
It was a good idea. But it suffered the same fate as the F-20 Tigershark. As for being a secret. Wichita, KS. is a city of over 400,000. This jet flew directly over the largest city in Kansas many times.
@Rilesmansan
@Rilesmansan Год назад
F20 was purposefully killed by DoD to reduce the cost of the F16.
@peceed
@peceed Год назад
F-20 was created in bad time, and deals with Taiwan and India were blocked (perfect aircraft for them). Scorpion is unsellable as it is. L-159 ALCA and AT-802U kill it.
@blin_tonk
@blin_tonk Год назад
It gives me a faint image of a Cessna A-37 Dragonfly
@SuperTrb0
@SuperTrb0 Год назад
When you ask your mom for an FA-18 but she says you already have one at home.. The FA-18 you have at home.
@miketran4289
@miketran4289 Год назад
Its like a F-14 and F18 had a baby.
@halonsox
@halonsox Год назад
Exactly!
@DallasGraves
@DallasGraves Год назад
“Cheaper than upgrading an A-10 or F-16” USAF: “you had my curiosity but now you have my attention”
@vojtechpribyl7386
@vojtechpribyl7386 Год назад
L-159 should be at the same cost per flight hour if not less.
@frankthespank
@frankthespank Год назад
That jet looks like an F-14 Tomcat when its wings are fully forward in dogfight mode. Did they basically build a Tomcat that’s stuck in dogfight mode?
@DIREWOLFx75
@DIREWOLFx75 Год назад
"sees a market for up to 2 thousand" The problem is that noone is sane enough to actually go for this SMART concept. Seriously, even just reducing your "advanced" number of aircraft by 10-20% and replace them with an equal cost of this aircraft would allow a huge increase in both training hours for the pilots as well as having a larger airforce overall which is a great advantage. . In many ways, this plane is basically a modern version of the SK-60/SAAB-105 trainer/light strike. It's a great concept, but the question is whether buyers will be able to overlook the lack of bling to just get something that WORKS and that they can fly ALL THE TIME.
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
Buyers know nothing about anything except if its being in use by the guys they envy, bling bling indeed. Blind idiots. And that is good. Less well armed rogue nations out there.
@skeletononcrystals5608
@skeletononcrystals5608 Год назад
Man, it looks so nice
@georgeclontd4984
@georgeclontd4984 Год назад
Great aircraft. I hope one day it might be revived and find its place...
@timbrwolf1121
@timbrwolf1121 Год назад
If they beef this up a bit and give it the ability to act as a missile truck. It would be perfect for the national guard. It would free up huge amounts of budget for other air services. Then if deployed the guard aircraft can be used to truck missiles for more capable combat aircraft and perform air patrols over less contested areas.
@NetVoyagerOne
@NetVoyagerOne Год назад
I wonder if a stripped-down racing version could be made for the civilian market.
@undertow619
@undertow619 Год назад
That would be sweet!
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
I was thinking the same!
@justsomedude8118
@justsomedude8118 Год назад
These are bizjet engines and aren't rated for aerobatics.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
@@justsomedude8118 The F124 is an aerobatic version of the bizjet engine - it's fine. This would be a sweet plane to tool around in Microsoft Flight Simulator in. Yes, I said in Microsoft Flight Simulator. That's the only real use case for it.
@justsomedude8118
@justsomedude8118 Год назад
@@katherineberger6329 F124 has a much higher fuel burn, but is a fantastic powerplant. Using one of these would likely be ideal vs two higher bypass engines for this use type. Sure, there'd be less thrust at low speeds, but it wouldn't suffer in the lapse of thrust vs airspeed common with higher bypass ratio powerplants.
@chief8388
@chief8388 Год назад
I wish Burt Rutan's/ Scaled Composites ARES "Mud Fighter" had made it to production. Great little battle craft. Light, cheap and effective.
@schlirf
@schlirf Год назад
Now, if only the powers that would permit enlisted and lower NCO's use it; they'd have volunteers beyond belief...including a certain slightly over-the-hill 19 delta! Great Video, and Thanks!
@DavidFMayerPhD
@DavidFMayerPhD Год назад
It reminds me of the F-20: an excellent machine that NOBODY WANTED because it was obsolete, despite achieving all published goals. I doubt that there is any serious market for such an aircraft.
@jamiestallwood5080
@jamiestallwood5080 Год назад
Excellent machine but didn’t sell due to market saturation, in the F-20’s case it was due to everyone buying F-16’s but in the Scorpions case it had to compete with the AT-6, A-29, AC-208, AT-802, L-159, OV-10, M-346/YAK-130 and many others. It is claimed Cessna/Textron investigated their market potential but for £10 I could have told them to not to bother. I appreciate ambition but their efforts were in vein as this segment has many platforms with very few apparent buyers.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
Countries that can afford jets want fast jets, not a subsonic POS with a marginal weight capacity (fully fueled it can only tote about 3,500 pounds) and countries that can't afford jets will buy a fleet of turboprops, not a handful of smurfjets flying on a pair of APUs.
@Ghost_Hybrid
@Ghost_Hybrid Год назад
Scorpion is a cool jet! Saw one in person, static display at an airshow.
@stewartstone3926
@stewartstone3926 Год назад
Looks like a revisit to the T-38/F-5 and T-37/A-37 Dragonfly concepts
@geoffreyherrick298
@geoffreyherrick298 Год назад
Like an enlarged BD-10.
@GarudaLeader
@GarudaLeader Год назад
It looks like the T-7A Red Hawk.
@X-JAKA7
@X-JAKA7 Год назад
Content like this is getting better and better as everybody gangsta until we all die.
@MTD156
@MTD156 Год назад
A glorified training aircraft. You describe it and the work on it as if you were talking about reverse engineering a flying saucer.
@what3973
@what3973 Год назад
the f14 if it was a trainer
@Hardball1Alpha
@Hardball1Alpha Год назад
Must be a competitor... insults before reason.
@markl8111
@markl8111 10 месяцев назад
Amazing how private industry can design, build, and fly a advanced fighter, less expensive than a gov. There's a lesson somewhere in this.
@masterlayangan2811
@masterlayangan2811 Год назад
*( MASTER LAYANGAN )* saya suka model pesawat tempur ini.👍👍🇲🇨
@nexusoldbind5015
@nexusoldbind5015 Год назад
It's a shame they never put this into production this could be an excellent jet engine trainer for someone switching from propeller and turboprop to jet engine aircraft I'm amazed no one wanted it 🤔 I also love the fact that kinda looks like a mini F14 😅 I think it's kind of ingenious to use off-the-shelf parts for a fighter aircraft
@effervescentrelief
@effervescentrelief Год назад
@@hvacqualityassurance7116 Exactly, it wasn't sanctioned by the powers that be who could make a little cash on the side, so it never got the green light. Corruption.
@kevinschultz6091
@kevinschultz6091 Год назад
@@hvacqualityassurance7116 - you have a cite for that? Because I just checked the wiki, and there's no mention of it being banned for sale - just that some folks were "interested", but nothing came of it. Because otherwise, you're attributing corruption where "the product didn't meet our needs" (as the video above mentioned) is sufficient.
@nomorerainbows
@nomorerainbows Год назад
@@kevinschultz6091 Corruption should always be assumed when we are talking about DC and the DoD. Always.
@kevinschultz6091
@kevinschultz6091 Год назад
@@nomorerainbows - then it should be simple for you to provide evidence in this particular instance, then.
@recoil53
@recoil53 Год назад
@@hvacqualityassurance7116 Actually it's market would be strange. It costs $20M with a $3000/flight hour maintenance cost. The newest version of the F-16 is $63M and $7000 maintenance. It's not surviving against a force that can shoot back. So if there is a real insurgency, it's dead. So yeah, repressive states like Myanmar that kill their own civilians could use it. But over Ukraine or Afghanistan? No go. In those instances, a regular turboprop plane is cheaper - the A-29 is $10/each & $1000 maintenance. If the market is poor countries that can't afford jets, they will give up some capability to save. Half the upfront cost, 1/3 the maintenance cost So you don't need corruption to explain it.
@johnslugger
@johnslugger Год назад
*It's about time we made something cost effect and mass produced!!!*
@utley
@utley Год назад
this aircraft wasnt very well hidden from public, I used to see this aircraft while being developed in Centennial airport in Denver. AFAIK it never was finished except for the first model.
@DecrepitBiden
@DecrepitBiden Год назад
Then they PURPOSELY didn't care to hide it. Former USAF. If they want to hide it, they'd put it in Area 51.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Год назад
It was hidden in its development, once it has blown and going cross-country then it's no longer hidden.
@utley
@utley Год назад
@@JSFGuyactually I might be thinking of another aircraft called the javelin that was designed by the israelis. Looks very similar to the scorpion.
@AwesomeNinja1027
@AwesomeNinja1027 Год назад
That's what the Philippine Air Force exactly needs.
@geoffreyherrick298
@geoffreyherrick298 Год назад
S.211 replacement?
@AwesomeNinja1027
@AwesomeNinja1027 Год назад
@@geoffreyherrick298 yes
@Rye042
@Rye042 Год назад
No, it lost to FA-50. The S211 replacement where the KT-1 woongbi as per PAF TWG.
@viperq
@viperq Год назад
The PAF has FA-50s and Super Tucanos for that role.
@ice-xv1hi
@ice-xv1hi Год назад
It looks like a cross between an F18 and an A10.
@LittleManFlying
@LittleManFlying Год назад
"A Cessna One Eight Two" 😂
@darvinclement8404
@darvinclement8404 Год назад
Kind of reminds me of an Su-25.
@mikeharvey9184
@mikeharvey9184 Год назад
This feels like the spiritual successor to the "Super Tweet".
@geoffreyherrick298
@geoffreyherrick298 Год назад
The BD-10?
@mikeharvey9184
@mikeharvey9184 Год назад
@@geoffreyherrick298 Cessna A-37 Dragonfly (a.k.a. The “Super Tweet”). Same kind of idea… low cost attack aircraft.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
The Textron Scorpion is literally an American manufacturer going "What if we duplicate a plane that is already readily available for under $10 million, and make it cost $20 million because no government is footing the development bill?" The Scorpion is an Aero L-159 ALCA but less capable and more expensive.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Год назад
Less capable and more expensive? The video clearly stated its interchangeability and Mission profile flexibility. Cost to operate and loiter time. How is that less capable? Composite design and modular.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
@@JSFGuy The Aero L-159 is ALSO modular, has a similar loiter time, costs less to operate (about $1,600 per flight hour)... AND it's faster (so it can get into and out of trouble spots quicker - "shoot and scoot" and built on a well-understood airframe. When you're comparing it to $30,000 an hour to operate an F-16 the Scorpion sounds good, but most air forces are comparing it against a plane with a much more modest cost per flight hour; and if it comes down to it an F-16 can tote ten times the payload and still snipe as many Scorpions as it has missiles.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Год назад
@@katherineberger6329 well now you're comparing two opening day or Frontline service, it's not meant to be a with adversaries. That 159 cost $1,600 per flight hour I find that a stretch. Now the 159 can be an affordable fighter. The Scorpion is not quite done for that I think you know. I don't know that 159 to be as modular as this proposed new design with off-the-shelf components. One thing you do want is Parts availability and that would be the engine avionics and landing gear.
@katherineberger6329
@katherineberger6329 Год назад
@@JSFGuy L-159: Proven airframe + less expensive + dirt-common engine (the Honeywell F124 is a military version of the Garrett (now Honeywell) TFE731, one of the world's most common bizjet engines - and in fact the SAME engine the Scorpion uses). The L-159 is the airplane that the Scorpion is trying to compete with, and there's absolutely no reason to put funds into an unproven airframe when a proven airframe with over a half-century of success (the L-159 is a modernized version of the L-39 and L-59 trainers) is available for less money. The only way the Scorpion is going to get users is if the USAF buys it, and that ship sailed with the T-X program. If the USAF buys a new jet ISR/strike plane it's almost certainly going to be based on the Boeing/Saab T-7 airframe.
@JSFGuy
@JSFGuy Год назад
@@katherineberger6329 well, that it shows the 802 and already had a mishap with it and that operation has kind of cooled off. They have made blunder decisions in the past and they continue to do so. Willits surveillance and some closer support so they did once a different approach with a different platform and wind up choosing a crop duster a damn good one at that. 30 years ago they put out for a JPAT wound up ordering a turboprop instead of a jet again
@sweetbriarhuslin7371
@sweetbriarhuslin7371 Год назад
Brother your giving this jet a f22 worthy title
@occamsrayzor
@occamsrayzor Год назад
That is one beautiful aircraft.
@Chaos_God_of_Fate
@Chaos_God_of_Fate Год назад
Well, at least now I know why everyone is crazy. Thanks for the enlightenment!
@1milesnpr
@1milesnpr Год назад
Probably late to the party but I'll say this anyway. Reminds me of the F5. More or less same production schedule off their own backs, lightweight, can throw it around, fast enough and can carry whatever you want. Unfortunate this aircraft was overlooked. The F5 and its descendants were, and still are, such great planes.
@PlugInRides
@PlugInRides Год назад
The F-5, while lightweight, was a capable A2A, supersonic jet fighter. The Textron Scorpion, unlike the FA-50, HAL Tejas, or JF-17, is a sitting duck if it encounters enemy fighters.
@southerncross86
@southerncross86 Год назад
No possible comparisson with F5, the F5 was createdwith a purpose, a rqmt from politicians, and it is a true capable fighter
@profo4544
@profo4544 Год назад
@@southerncross86 he might not mean the f5, he probably means the f-20. The later descendant
@Boredoutofmywits
@Boredoutofmywits Год назад
We are not in the late 50's. And the F5 was like twice as fast.
@robertdragoff6909
@robertdragoff6909 Год назад
Top secret? Well, after this video, it ain’t top secret no more!
@PC-vq5ud
@PC-vq5ud Год назад
Too vulnerable to current ground anti-aircraft, manpads, etc.
@sojolly
@sojolly 10 месяцев назад
Bravo to the team that pulled this off. It reminds me of the breakneck pace that the A-12 and SR-71 was developed. You have achieved what the folks developing the F-20 Tigershark could not. A cheap workable fighter for those countries that need such a beast. They dont need a modified commercial aircraft as many have tried before, they need a purpose built machine. You folks have done Wichita Kansas proud and honored the great aviation heritage that flows thru your community. As a member of the original prototype YF-22A design team i salute you.
@W1ckedRcL
@W1ckedRcL Год назад
Looks a lot like the T7A trainer. With swept wings instead of straight, a slight redesign of the engine air intakes, and more powerful engines this plane could be a real contender for smaller or poorer countries to have a light attack fighter.
@csjrogerson2377
@csjrogerson2377 Год назад
It's looking to fill a gap for which there is no new aircraft requirement - doomed to failure because there are more capable, albeit more expensive, aircraft already in service that could do that role if necessary. The cost of introducing another, less capable aircraft, far outweighs the lower costs of the new aircraft.
@peceed
@peceed Год назад
There is AT-802U that is 5 times cheaper and better in most cases (armored, 8k pounds of payload, loitering time).
@bobfeller604
@bobfeller604 Год назад
You can achieve outstanding results when the government is kept out of it.
@atom7nine
@atom7nine Год назад
Absolutely fabulous Textron
@c123bthunderpig
@c123bthunderpig Год назад
Must not have made it - it wasn't at Paris Air show - obviously not super sonic with that wing configuration, and with those inlets, its open to a lot of issues including compressor stalls. Very successful development plan but not a great idea to spend development money prior to market research. Kind of like a drone with two pilots. It would make a nice trainer for Air Force, and non carrier landing Navy.
@jailbird1133
@jailbird1133 Год назад
Supposedly they researched the market potential prior to startup.
@c123bthunderpig
@c123bthunderpig Год назад
@@jailbird1133 supposedly being the operative word. Engineers should never do market research, especially for military products. The military puts out a list of " needs" then selects the best company who will screw them the most if government approves the project. This companies features advantages and benefits were excellent but did not fit the good old boy system. Their primary fault of this airvraft it was not a good design for combat aircraft.
@gordonhorn8867
@gordonhorn8867 Год назад
I'd buy one!
@utkarshg.bharti9714
@utkarshg.bharti9714 Год назад
I wonder why Textron is not promoting this to the Philippine and other smaller air forces allied with the US. Countries like Malaysia, Thailand and others in Southeast Asia that are under the US protection could do very well with this jet.
@recoil53
@recoil53 Год назад
It's only good against rebels that aren't very armed. Against a modern jet? And Embraer has a turboprop that's half the cost and 1/3 the maintenance cost.
@countchocula8884
@countchocula8884 Год назад
I was an engineer for this jet in Wichita KS. Textron marketed this jet EVERYWHERE they could think of. At the end of the day nobody wanted it because it was a slow ugly POS. It didn't have any capabilities beyond other existing aircraft.
@minovskyparticles1834
@minovskyparticles1834 Год назад
Super Tucano is a cheaper and better option for CAS
@philsalvatore3902
@philsalvatore3902 Год назад
Philippines bought FA-50s from Korea.
@Azman_Hamid
@Azman_Hamid Год назад
Malaysia is buying the FA-50 . I think most of our SE Asia neighbours have as well.
@acyd5000
@acyd5000 Год назад
I know that I absolutely did in fact go certifiably crazy when this aircraft was released! But I'm MUCH better now.
@djtomoy
@djtomoy Год назад
They made it as cheaply and as quickly as possible? Then I’m sure there will be no problems with it in the future.
@stratometal
@stratometal Год назад
There should be little problems. Sticking to already proven components, stuff that is in production and readily available rather than purpose built is definitively cheaper and quick to acquire.
@djtomoy
@djtomoy Год назад
@@stratometal i know that’s what the guy in the video said but that’s not necessarily true
@DrSkippy1
@DrSkippy1 7 месяцев назад
There’s a lot of misinformation about Scorpion, beginning with the notion it started as a single engine aircraft. It did not. Scorpion started as an all-composite rebuild of the A-37B Dragonfly, with updated avionics, Martin-Baker ejection seats, conformal tanks, the center fuel tank converted to a HUD-enabled 20mm cannon, and refurbished J85-GE-17A engines, because that was the only motor that would fit in 17-inch vertical nacelles. The SECDEF/IA had two Brigadiers in the room when the original design was proposed. They loved the mission but not the side-by-side configuration. In one week the design was reworked as a tandem stepped cockpit. It looked like a small A-10, all composite to defeat metal fatigue. The original build plan was a $135M JCTD with Air Combat Command and AFRL. Epic Aircraft, Bend Oregon, was going to produce the five prototypes. They went belly up. Obama took the JCTD funding in his 4th-5th round of Pentagon cuts after 20 Jan 2009. That left private industry. What got the program rolling was a personal declaration by a member of the Joint Chiefs to the senior executive team that the ANG needed to recapitalize and couldn’t afford F-35s. Norty Schwartz, AFCS and chief of the USAF high-fast mafia, took the ANG’s recap funding for use on the F-35, so the original build went from 350 units to zero. By then, the company was committed. The CEO of Textron was visionary-all respect to him. But the original composites team, composed of the number one commercial composites AC builder (Dieter Koehler), and former LMCO composites experts (built the F-16, F-22, F-35 and led by Lee McKague) was replaced by Cessna composites guys, who had absolutely zero useful experience in composites. The JV founders planned to bring Textron up to date in the composites world with this program, but the Cessna-heavy management team fired them all. Stupidest move in the history of aviation. The prototype turned into black aluminum, gained weight and lost capability. It was still vastly superior to any single-engine turboprop “solution” anywhere in the world, including the Super Tucano, Wolverine, or that ridiculous Skytractor dressed up like a war machine. A lot of good people worked hard on this but were beaten by terrible management, petty politics, and ultimately, the high-fast mafia. Noble airplane with fabulous capability (could loiter 4+ hours 100 nm from base w/o refueling, with 6,000 lbs bomb load. Could prosecute two EO/IR missions simultaneously. Max ceiling 45,000 feet. Airliner speed but could fly as slow as a Cessna 150.) Ultimately a very sad chapter in the idiocy of the USAF.
@clivedarvhinmontelora9437
@clivedarvhinmontelora9437 Год назад
To be honest this has a lot of potential use in my country, we still face local threat of rebellion and extremist terrorist which they usually don't have ground-to-air defense and this Aircraft is cheap which is better to use on them.
@biddinge8898
@biddinge8898 Год назад
MODULAR WINGS?!?!?!?!?! we can make it the next F14 Tomcat.
@victornavea6197
@victornavea6197 Год назад
Looks like the logical evolution of the antique A-37 Dragonfly. The countries that use to operate thar plane (mostly emerging ones) can be interested in this new itineration
@nellinecronje6911
@nellinecronje6911 Год назад
This would make a great PSS subject!
@troyyoung953
@troyyoung953 Год назад
I like the concept. Good looking bird
@robertwhatley9861
@robertwhatley9861 Год назад
Smart design. Thanks for the video
@venteryn2541
@venteryn2541 Год назад
The point is generally missed with this aircraft and other light attack / ISR platforms. Admittedly the theatre in which it could have been utilized to its maximum has expired (Afghanistan/Iraq). Theatres that had no significant air to to air threat and little in the way of ground to air threat. The time these should have been demonstrated has passed. However, the benefit this aircraft brings to the table is generally overlooked. You can utilize a fleet of these alongside top tier platforms like the F35. In effect utilizing the F35 for air superiority and initial neutralization of ground based threats. Following this the Scorpion could easily slot in and provide the required ISR and light attack to maintain dominance. Essentially this would cut down on the cost of acquiring a greater volume of expensive to acquire and operare top tier jets. Further to this, a nation with a fleet of Scorpions would be able to consistently and affordably contribute to joint operations with partner nations operating more expensive platforms. I think the one machine to do all approach of the current military mindset fogged the possibilities of this platforms potential. The future with all one type of aircraft is risky.
@russellcollins6718
@russellcollins6718 Год назад
In uncontested airspace all good and well But as the Ukraine/ Russia conflict has shown us, even without traditional air fighters the airspace is highly contested, from man pads to major SAMS systems making it so. This concept just will not survive in modern aerial warfare, in the modes it is designed for. I suggest that sales of this aircraft reflect this reality. I do like the use of off the shelf components. I think it is one of the building ways of the future. Cost and speed of construction becomes paramount in the future. Another way to go is repurposing commercial aircraft, the ubiquitous crop duster is a perfect example of this. I would hate to be the pilot , your life expectancy would be measured in hours not even days
@aidan11162
@aidan11162 Год назад
In no way was this secret. It was a private venture that unfortunately didn’t pan out
@kindasupersonic7114
@kindasupersonic7114 Год назад
is it going to have a cannon ?? seems like they skipped over a pretty vital part of a "patrol" and light support craft....
@rnish2958
@rnish2958 Год назад
The T7 RedHawk is going to dominate this part of the market (IMHO).
@orbitingancient
@orbitingancient Год назад
Hmm, good timing
@leb6206
@leb6206 Год назад
saw one of these flying in wichita last year, it was a great sight to see!
@oxcart4172
@oxcart4172 Год назад
U saw the only one!
@leb6206
@leb6206 Год назад
@@oxcart4172 i was very confused as to what it was, it didnt look familiar. once i saw it was a scorpion my jaw dropped!
@bobbyduke777
@bobbyduke777 Год назад
Civilians would love them also
@smokey1544
@smokey1544 Год назад
It’s a su 25 frogger
@geirbalderson9697
@geirbalderson9697 Год назад
Gosh, i would love to have one in my garage!
@tekanova7480
@tekanova7480 Год назад
Battle hardness of a cessna 150, difficult to decide which plane to fly?
@Hardball1Alpha
@Hardball1Alpha Год назад
That thing is so badass... like a modern F-14 Tomcat, but lighter, more agile, and with tricked out weapon systems. Border Patrol needs a squadron or three.
10 месяцев назад
It looks like a modern high-tech A-37 Dragonfly, without the internal minigun. I wonder how capable it could be on improvised airstrips (grass, soft terrain). With two jet engines, I also wonder the cost per hour. It's very interesting.
@stevekolarik2857
@stevekolarik2857 Год назад
Seen this plan many times flying around Wichita, Ks during its early testing days. No secret there.
@londomolari5715
@londomolari5715 Год назад
Looks like a good aircraft for the Border Patrol.
@ai-d2121
@ai-d2121 Год назад
Has is any submarine fighting features? Can it be used to patrol over sea as such?
@drivernjax
@drivernjax Год назад
Interesting a/c. Cost-effectiveness and versatility. Those are two things that are necessary for a military a/c but, will the US military approve a designation for it so it can be exported?
@mill2712
@mill2712 Год назад
I think if you do the project completely by yourself, there are probably less restrictions on who you can sell to as long as they aren't on the US no-list. The only reason it was secret was simply the company not wanting other companies getting ideas.
@drivernjax
@drivernjax Год назад
@@mill2712 Well, I could be wrong. I just know that when the UK approached North American about building the P-40 under license, they said they could design a better a/c in less time than it took to retool to build the P-40. The US government said the a/c had to have a US military designation before they could sell it to the UK. I don't know if that's a different situation or not but that's what I heard on a TV show about the P-51.
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