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Nobody hates Lebron,its when they start putting him in the place where he doesn´t belong-GOAT vast majority start to react to what they believe that MJ is the highest level of basketball ever seen
@@itsshadbihLeBron has a fakeness and narcissism to him (including the flopping) ,that people don't like. There is a reason why Kobe doesn't get that level of hate and it has everything to do with his personality. Also LeBrons the toxic fanbase also doesn't help his likability.
@@itsshadbihif the truth about lebron is hate then yes he is hated by those who prefer truth and not lies,but ppl who loves beautiful lies will love lebron bcuz they hate truth and prefer to believe and live in fantasies
Here's something that I'm going to share that will shock you. In a span of 32 months, Michael Jordan won 3 Finals championships, 3 Finals MVPs, 3 scoring titles, 2 NBA MVPs, was named All-Defensive 1st team 3 times and missed 0 games that whole time. There has never been another player to come close to that. And I dare you go look it up. That man is truly in a league of his own just off of that.
As a Bird's fan i agreed, Larry is not the goat, MJ is the goat. James is not even close to Jordan or Bird, he just had longevity and strenght. Bird is the greatest SF ever and MJ is the goat.
I can't even start of how this longevity crap is overblown...has anyone even thought for a second how come Lebron is so great after so many seasons yet when you bring the point of his def you always have to start looking for his early/prime years? Was 40 year old MJ that stupid to play all 82 games in his last season and yet put up the effort on the def court? Or just Lebron had a few years of playing def and then retired but yet he's the goat? Those arguments are so stupid! Even at 40 MJ was a far better shooter and defender while playing all 82 games than Lebron ever was
I Think this is something I coined...... Both Michael Jordan and LeBrons are considered 🐐s.... in their own regards. The only thing is that...... Jordan is just the G.O.A.T (Greatest of ALL TIME) and LeBron is the G.O.T.E (Greatest of THEIR ERA). Does that seem fair?
Jordan didn't just win 6 rings. He was the BEST player on every single one of those championship teams. when you get multiple titles in any era, it's no longer just about the competition. It's about MENTAL TOUGHNESS. Jordan had more of that than any player in history, including LeBron.
With all due respect, LeBron is so hated because he takes no real accountability when his team loses. MJ never failed to say WE need to work harder and win next time. LeBron rarely does that. His manipulation of the media through Klutch Sports, then the narratives said media spits out to place blame on his teammates, and his cringey obsession now with being called the GOAT. All of that stuff may be loved by thia younger generation, but for old school long, long-time fans of basketball, it's insulting. Swapping teams left and right to win rings, loudly proclaiming something that should only be given to you by your peers and fans when they know you've earned it, it rubs older fans and players the wrong way. He's an incredible player no doubt, but he's not the GOAT. As a man once said, "any man who has to sa he's the king is no true king." LeBron will likely never get that position because he tried to claim it in a way most true basketball fans hate.
@@itsshadbih I do enjoy watching your content, man. You look at it from as many angles as you can, and you crack jokes. With society so easily offended these days, it's nice to see a change. I respect you feeling LeBron is your GOAT. I can't knock that. But those of us who grew up watching MJ embarrass teams on a regular basis have our pick. No, he didn't win every single game or make every single shot. I don't think any player can, even Wilt. But all the other teams in the 90s knew beating the Bulls was gonna take everything they had. 6 championships in 8 years, two 3-peats.... i can't say it'll NEVER be repeated, but likely not anytime soon.
43% of Lebrons career playoff comp is against teams under 50wins. By comparison, 27% for MJ. MJ and the Bulls eliminated more 60win teams in the playoffs than any other team in history. In half of MJs Finals runs, he had to face two 60win teams to win the title. And even during the expansion years when MJ played, 30% of the league never consisted of sub 30win teams; at most they made up 28% of the league (only 1989). Lebron played in multiple seasons where sub 30win teams made up 30% of the league. In their championship years, 23.7% of the league was made up of sub 30win teams for MJ and 25.3% for Lebron. During Lebrons era, 49% of the league was under .500 wins. During MJs era, 47%. Net Rating shows how well a team performs and by how much they beat their opponents. When looking at their Finals competition, the worst net rating competition Lebron faced was the Heat in 2020 with a net rating of 3 and 5th seed ranking. Then Mavs in 2011 with 4.6. GSW in 2018 with 6. And OKC in 2012 with 6.5 The worst net rating team MJ faced was Suns in 1993 with 6.7 net rating. Lebrons Finals opponents average net rating is 7.67; MJ 7.72 Not only did MJs opponents average higher net rating, they averaged more wins in the reg season, and MJ also faced more reigning MVPs in the Finals as well.
The juggernaut that jordan faced, and eventually beat, were the Detroit pistons, Isaiah Thomas, Bill Lambier, Joe Dumars and Dennis Rodman. They went to the finals, 88,89,90, Jordan faced them 88,89,90,91. Detroit won the finals back to back 89 and 90. In 89 they swept EVERYONE, except MJ's Bulls. In Scottie and Horrace Grants second year where they were both scoring less than 12 a game. 91 Jordan beat them, with no other player on his team making all Nba or all defensive that year. You know the rest. To your point about Lebron's role being more point guard like and thus why he has more turn overs, this is also why he has more assists, but their similar ratio of assists to turn overs suggests they are both equally skilled at passing, it just was Lebron's job more often than MJ'S. And for last PLAY, not just last shot, consider this. Jordan did pass, his pass to Bill Paxton won them the NBA Championship in, I believe, 92, and the pass to Stephen Kerr won the chip in 96. In addition, the percentage of shots made in those clutch moments speaks to more than accuracy of shots, but accuracy of decision. In other words Jordan is making the right play, shooting when he should and passing when he should in those last seconds and getting to his spots and taking good shots in those last seconds as well. Meanwhile, Lebron's accuracy is so much lower than normal because his decision making is taking a hit in those last seconds, he is taking shots when he should pass and he is passing when he should shoot. His shot selection and decision making in the clutch is off.
I'll tell you the real "eye test" when it comes to Jordan. I grew up watching Jordan. I have never been a basketball fan, except when Jordan was playing. Jordan made every game must see even for people who didn't care about basketball. When you watched a game and he had a "good" game by any other players standard, you were disappointed. If you didn't see something spectacular every single time Jordan was on the court, it was disappointing, because you expected greatness every time and most of the time you got it. I see Lebron more like the slow and steady wins the race kind of player. You just know he's going to consistently be really good and keep racking up stats and wins, little by little, which IS great in itself. But, if Jordan had like 22 pts, 4 assists, 5 rebounds, and a steal, you would go away thinking that he had a bad game.
That's exactly how I see it. Watching Jordan was simply magical. When he missed two shots in a row, you were disappointed. When he missed a free throw, you were disappointed. If he produced a turnover, you were disappointed. That alone shows how great MJ was. I don't know if it's because of the general attitude in sports today, but I just don't see that mentality of going after every ball anymore. I'm also tired of watching games these days. It's all offense. How often do I see defenders standing under the basket and they just don't do anything. Players are just escorted to the basket. Compare Lebron's and MJ's mixtapes that were created by the NBA itself. Lebron's dunk highlights are almost all unguarded or without the participation of the opponents. Jordan has his hands, upper body or feet in his face 80% of the time. Or simply 4 players on his neck. The fact that the big men used to be parked under the basket to prevent such actions makes MJ's actions even more valuable. I'm also one of the people who was lucky enough to see Jordan, Kobe, Carter and LeBron play. And I can only agree 100000% with the Eye Test here. Jordan was one of a kind in the sports world.
Yep, he was beautiful. I got to see him twice during the 95/96 season in Seattle. Seattle won both games, regular season an game 4 of the finals. I can't find the regular season game on RU-vid. Grateful I was there both times, I witnessed true greatness in person. Was going to Mariners games back then as well when Griffey Jr an Randy Johnson were on the team. Those guys were great too but not like MJ. All time athletes on Mt Rushmore? MJ definitely on there. I don't know who else, Babe Ruth, Tom Brady, Muhammed Ali, Mike Tyson? I don't know who else but I know MJ would be on there An yes, all offense in today's game. Makes it very hard to watch when I was use to watching the way they played in the 90's. I use to go to Sonics games all the time, loved them. An they played really good defense back then.@@Tacheles09
here is context. 6-0 AND the HIGHEST scoring average EVER.. Lebron has gotten swept TWICE and lost 1-4 twice.. and ALSO lost to a HEAVILY underdog Mavs team.. .. .. .. . .. .
Say whatever you want, but for me is simple. MJ had the title of GOAT bestowed upon him by others. He never claimed to be the GOAT himself. Lebron on the other hand proclaimed himself the GOAT without being it.
At 36 MJ was the best player on a team that won a chip. So yes, we can use LeBron's lakers stats and clips. Even on the Wizards Jordan was one of the best defenders in the league. At FORTY.
the competition James faced in the Finals was the kind of competition Jordan faced in his conference. Once James reached the finals and faced the competition Jordan faced in his conference he lost more than he won.
THATS why he never went 7 games in finals, but sometimes teams in his CONFERENCE WOULD push him to the limit. faced usually BETTER teams in is own conference than in the finals.
@@Lizle-ov6ii like who? Usually the competition in the finals was on par or even better than his conference. I can't think of a team he faced in his conference that was better than the teams he faced in the finals.
@@Nakdimon316 Lost to pistons how many years? Same pistons who had been sweeping the lakers the year before overcame them and other than 1 game, destroyed lakers. Pacers pushed him to the edge a few times. Knicks Fought them hard many times.
Actually come to think off it.. Wasn't it the Pacers that people accuse NBA of rigging in bulls favor ? Man, he had Reggie by the neck one time he got to Jordan so bad...NEVER seen him get like that.
@@Lizle-ov6ii that doesn't make them better teams. The finals opponents of the Bulls had a better regular season record than any of the Bulls's conference opponents.
Again you don't know basketball if you think LeBron James had it harder. I never saw LeBron James get smashed by the whole team and still performs at a high level. People use to stop doing things to go and watch Michael Jordan play with the Bull's and see how well he was going to perform. They never got disappointed. Because he left everyone in awe.
@@treydagrim5278 so Lebron should have won that series is what you sayin? The spurs 2nd and 3rd best players are future hall of famers, were those cavs? I'm sorry I'm not finna be blind to what's going on like yall want me too!
That same warriors team your saying that would beat the Bulls got pushed to 7 games with the rockets and it took the rockets to miss around 19 consecutive 3s to lose that game after having a significant lead. So don't think it's just a cake walk to beat that 96 Bulls team.
@@itsshadbih 3pt shooting isn't the end all be all. Matchups win series. I'd take defense over 3 pointers any day. That bulls small line up with 6'6" Harper and 6'6" Jordan in the back court. 6'8" Pippen and 6'10" Kukoc at fwds and rodman at center. All long and could switch on every screen and pick. Not to mention very physical which KD isn't accustomed to as we saw in the Boston series. And then on the other end they have a "Jordan" 😆
@@BEEZE825 lol facts. Plus Rodman would of been all up in his head too. He had Shaq AND Malone super frustrated and there's no way Green would of had the head space to deal with that. 😆
I definitely see where you're coming from..but I don't see that Warriors team beating the Bulls dynasty team at all. I see the Bulls beating them in 6. For the Warriors fans, if they were so good, why weren't they able to 3-peat?? Bulls did it Twice! Even with great shooters, wide spacing and far less defense than the Bulls era, the Warriors still couldn't do 3 peat. The Bulls matched up well with the Warriors. The Bulls had 4 defensive specialists who could play the interior and perimeter..MJ, Pippen, Rodman and Harper. Bulls had the greatest scorer and greatest defensive player in the league. Bulls also had a roster of clutch shooters that could shoot from anywhere on the court. The 3 pt shot is highly overrated. MJ got 6 rings on 2pt shots...tho he shot the 3 well. I don't think the Warriors would've fared so well in the 80's or 90's, because defense was tough during those decades. People forget, that every team had a few 'hitmen' who's job it was to take players out! There's a reason no one played 20 years during those days, not too mention, load mgmt wasn't a thing either. The Bulls were also a more experienced team, with the most clutch player in league history! They were more physical as well. I don't take anything away from the Warriors, but imho, no way they're beating that Bulls Double Dynasty team.
The only reason why people dislike LeBron is because people compares him to MJ and you can't do that. You yelled out to Bird fans. Bird had said in interview that they couldn't stop Jordan who once scored over 50 and 63 points back to back games. However, he said they could stop the rest of the team.
@@itsshadbihhated by whom? The main reasons I see people "hating on him" were after his position about china and for behaving like a flopper. Other reason is because of his fanboys, which are as anoying and irracional as cr7 or messi fanboys. Ps: maybe cleveland hated him when he left the club to win titles with a superteam at miami. I wonder if that went away after he came back and won one for cleveland with another great team.
LeBron is a great player, but I dislike him because of his antics of the court. It all started with the Decision. He had to chase his rings, whereas Michael was loyal and stayed in one place built the fan base that he has. The league is totally different from what it it used to be.
I respect dat bro, only thing with the decision to me is that with all the alleged stuff that came out with delonte west, if that did happen I ain't stay with no team with teammates like that, but that's just me!
Lebron is not trash but the stats are facts about the jumper. He still averages 50% from the field because he’s a dominant player inside and one of the best finishers ever right up there with shaq. What bothers me from watching bron is that there’s a lack of aggression when both his team and the opposing team is fishing for buckets. Teams are so obsessed with the 3 ball that teams will end up putting up bricks from beyond the arc just praying they get hot and go on a run. A player like lebron should be that consistent scoring outlet and back defenders down and get to those easy shots more regardless of if he has to go to the line. That leads to another issue I have with lebrons game: the fact that he’s a point guard. Don’t get me wrong, lebron is a phenomenal passer. But he would get so many more buckets if he didn’t half to initiate so much of his offense with the ball constantly in his hands, especially on the perimeter. Look at jokic. Doesn’t have half the gifts lebron has besides being a better jump shooter but he lets Jamal initiate the perimeter while he can set himself up in a great position on the post up, whether it be to score or to dime up a teammate. Bird did the same thing. In fact, Jordan was one of the best players ever without the ball and hardly needed the rock to create offense. His use of back door cuts and general knack to find spots whether it be in the post, middy jumpers or lobs was textbook. That’s what frustrates me about lebron. There’s just little things that he could do that would make him so much more effective and in my opinion more comparable to someone like mj. If he was primarily a post up player and someone who didn’t want the rock at the top of the key every time, I’d guarantee he’d have won at least 2 more chips than he did or maybe more. You mention that 07 spurs squad. Look up the margin of victory by that spurs team, not a single double digit win on that cavs team. I know lebron didn’t necessarily have superstar help but he did have a really solid defensive squad that always kept him within reach each game. Lebron shot in the mid 30s from the field that series and he would’ve definitely took the series further if not get the dub if he were to not play on the perimeter where Bruce Bowen eats players alive. Obviously 2011 would’ve been a different story as well. I believe a lot of series would’ve gone differently as well even if he were not to win. Lebron went on a scoring spree against the 2015 warriors who hadn’t earned their dynasty status at that point. Bron was up 2-1 and if he had just played off the perimeter and more in the post he definitely would’ve had more consistent shooting performances than what he had games 4-6. When bron gets hot, he’s obviously unstoppable. It’s just the fact that there’s not a lot of consistent output on the offensive end and it’s frustrating knowing he was more than capable of it. He’s 6’9, 280 and was by far the best athlete in the league for at least 17 years it seems. There’s no valid excuse to just hang around the perimeter and not force your way inside whether it be for scoring or to also make the brilliant assists he’s capable of. MJ did all these things and more and he played shooting guard at 6’6, 220 lbs. that’s just my take tbh
@@itsshadbih Thanks for hearing me out, and for sure, you got good content so I’m glad I came across your channel 🤝 you should react to Jordan’s footwork mixtape next. His only match was Kobe and Hakeem in the skill department. I honestly am more impressed by that part than the bunnies he has, crazy as that sounds.
LBJ is not trash. He is a great player. MJ was not athletic alone. His fundamentals of the game were superb. When you add fundamentals with great ability it is hard to beat. A team fundamentally sound will beat a team of athletes 7 or 8 times out of 10. I have experienced it. I don't think LBJ is as fundamentally sound as he should be. Not going to college hurt LBJ. These are my opinions.
@@terryjordan8049 honestly lebron has above average fundamentals, the difference is the mental wiring in my opinion. Jordan and Kobe were perfectionists. Lebron doesn't have that approach to be a perfect ball player in terms of focusing on every minor detail. Especially when it comes to scoring and defending.
Also something else to keep in mind. Jordan with all of his accomplishments, he did it in LESS time. LeBron is a great player no doubt.....you just gotta ask yourself this. Who else is going to win the scoring title, DPOY and league MVP in the same year?!?!?!? I'll wait
To be fair I only call LeBron trash when his fans call Jordan trash. Also, I fail to understand why people downplay the 3 peats and say warriors would've 3 peated if KD and Klay didn't get injured. yes, they got injured in a time where sports medicine/technology is a lot better. Jordan and Pippen didn't in a more physical era. Also, I can understand the hate from his teammates (I say understand not agree with). Imagine being them (grown men) for a min, where fans and reporters/media are saying you need this 18-year-old kid to win. Would you take that well? I do want to know where you're seeing these people call Lebron trash and that he's not top 10. Because all I see is people saying he is no less than top 3.
What expectations are you talking about??let's break it down he missed playoffs first two seasons, lost in second round twice,swept in finals,and lost in semi's twice and he had the number 1 record in NBA both years,left Cleveland won two titles riding gay Wade coattails,left them came home lost first year back, won next year ,then got swept again,then gentleman's sweep,then bubble title after missing playoffs first year, gentleman's sweep first round of next year after bubble went 33-49 year after that worst than MJ wizards years and now a new sweep..so what's the expectations?????help me..
Compared too when I did the historic bulls reaction this comment section is pretty tame, but in that video when people stuff like lebron not close to jordan I think that's disrespectful not mention when they say he not "at minimum" top 10 of all time, yes I'm goin to spazz out✊
@@itsshadbihto be far he not close to Jordan ... At best he top five or top ten ... No lower then that ... Lebron has to get pass Kobe before he can match MJ 🤷🏾♂️
Also, Lebron was able to skip college because that was the NBA draft rules at the time. In the early 90s and prior, high school players had to go to college. The only exception was if a high school player could prove “financial hardship,” which the NBA was very strict about; and hence only two players from the 1950s up until 1994 jumped from high school to the NBA. For 1995, the NBA removed the “financial hardship” clause and college requirement. 41 players have jumped from high school to the NBA; and From 1995 to 2004, 39 of them did so. By MJs senior year, he was good enough to go from high school to the NBA; however, he couldn’t do so because of the rules. During his senior year, he put up better numbers than Lebrun did during his senior year; and MJ also set the McDonalds All-American scoring record that stood until 1999.
No one thinks Lebron is trash. He's incredible. But when kids in this generation say he's the 🐐, we know we've seen better. We witnessed near perfection in MJ. Lebron is a force of nature, but he's not Mike. It's really that simple
@ItsShadBih If you want to see highlight reels of Jordan's defensive skills and blocks they are out there man! You'll see why Jordan has a higher career avg. for blocks. He didn't play around on D man
larry bird was on the front cover of sports illustrated as a senior at indiana state. when he faced magic in the NCAA championship game, it was the most watched game in the history of basketball(still to this day). he signed the biggest contract at the time ever. the pressure to win was ginormous. he came to a boston squad that had won 26 games the year before. after ONE season with bird, they won 60+ games. biggest turnaround in NBA history. his second year with the celts, they won the title. then again in 86 and 87. bird and his celts even swept jordan's bulls two year straight in the playoffs. and that was with MJ putting up 49 points the first night and then 63 the next. and bird won 3 straight league MVPS during the era of the most talent the NBA has ever seen. Bird was better than Lebron by a mile. but then again, bird was better than everyone during those 80's runs. bird average 50/40/90 for 4 years straight. love your passion for the game and lebron, but the league has a LONG history of some sick players. as you get older, you'll learn about them and your attitudes will change. stat with BIRD... then magic and so on. kareem has just as much debate as the best ever as anyone else. but bird was better than lebron. even lebron has stated that much himself.
Really like your analysis, just two things. I watched almost all of MJ's finals games, and many, many of his regular season games. If you could watch just some of his regular games, you will see that he played the same as the playoffs, game in and game out. He never took a game off. I never saw a single one out of hundreds of games. Watching game after game, (especially after the first couple of years and Bird faded) your eyes told you without fail who the best player was on the floor every single game, no matter the outcome. (I saw the Bulls get way behind in one game on a long, long road trip, and the natural thing to do would be to give him a rest. He kept playing and brought them back, but they did ultimately lose. He never quit.) You kept saying you weren't bias, and you know that is not true. You confessed that multiple times, though you did acknowledge the evidence as true. Second, there are so many things about Lebron that got skipped over, like his performances in Miami in the finals where he just didn't show up, and those statistics don't lie. That alone (and he was in his early prime) would have to bring him down some, even if he learned from all of that and advanced. Something no one else seems to ever brings up also is the Olympics where the game (I think it was against Spain) was close and Kobe, not Lebron, had to put the team on his back to get them through. Lebron seems to all but become just another player. Without Lebron, they wouldn't be there, but to me the best would have to be the best in the toughest situations. (If you get a chance, watch Jordan's flu game, which was in the finals.) Lebron is in my top 3, below Michael and Larry Bird. I have him even above Kobe because he is more versatile.
I'm a person from Chicago that has watched Michael Jordan from the very beginning. I have watched basketball from the days of Wilt Chamberlain up until today. I have set courtside to watch all of the greats. There are 2 reasons why I picked Michael Jordan over Lebron James. Michael jordan made the game look effortless. Even the most difficult shots look like poetry in motion. Lebron james is anything but. The second reason is that Michael Jordan accomplished more in the shortest amount of time. Longevity is fine, but it's taking Lebron 20 years to do what Michael did in 13. Also try not to talk over the dialogue as much.
I'm 3:27 in and this is always my favorite part of the video, when they haven't watched it yet and they're making all these cases he is about to obliterate lol 😆
LeBron couldn’t have come before Jordan. He had the luxury of watching Jordan and everyone else before him. He modeled his game after Mike just like Kobe.
If LBJ fans stop comparing him to MJ then no one would dissect LBJ’s horrible stats vs MJ stats. I’ll leave you with this stat: if you take MJ’s accolades and subtract LBJ’s total accolades, that will equal to KD’s total accolades. What I’m saying is the gap between MJ and LBJ is an entire hall of fame career.
He been in the league for 21 years, and only got 6 NBA All-Defensive Team. He was a great defender for 6 years, but not the other years, hence the word "inconsistent".
Lebron is great and is an all time great.. but airballing free throws and quitting on defense AND your team are in excusable from an athlete getting paid millions. its disrespectful to ALL the athletes that play hard and play hard ALL the time.
That KD warriors team went to game 7 against Chris Paul and James harden. I think Jordan bulls teams were better that rocket team. All of this is hypothetical of course.
Like the guy said, Lebron aint bad. He IS a great player. One of the all time greats. But, he's not Michael Jordan.. MJ just on a slightly higher level.. than anyone. I hope we see the likes of it again, but we havent yet.
Jordan and LeBron winning Best regular season records Jordan 96' 72-10(won championship) Jordan 97' 69-13(won championship) Jordan 92' 67-15(won championship) LeBron 13' 66-16(won championship) LeBron 09' 66-16(lost in ECF) Jordan 98' 62-20(won championship) LeBron 10' 61-21(lost in ECSF) Jordan 91' 61-21(won championship) Regular season winning percentage Jordan 706-366 65.85% LeBron 924-497 65.02% For context LeBron would need to win his next 35 games in a row to have a better regular season winning percentage than Jordan. The NBA record for most games won in a row is 33. Playoff games winning percentage Jordan 119-60 66.48% LeBron 182-100 64.53% For context LeBron would need to win his next 17 playoff games in a row to have a better playoff games winning percentage. The NBA record for most playoff games won in a row is 15. Playoff series winning percentage Jordan 81.08% LeBron 77.35% For context LeBron would need to win the championship the next 3 times he made the playoffs to have a better playoff series winning percentage. Jordan has three-peated twice while LeBron has never three-peated. Jordan won a championship 6 out of 15 seasons. That's one championship for every 2.5 seasons. LeBron won a championship 4 out of 20 seasons. That's one championship for every 5 seasons. So Jordan wins a championship twice as often. Jordan has 5 regular season MVPs in 15 seasons. That's one MVP every 3 seasons. LeBron has 4 regular season MVPs in 20 seasons. That's one MVP every 5 seasons. Jordan has 6 Finals' MVPs in 15 seasons. That's a Finals' MVP every 2.5 seasons. LeBron had 4 Finals' MVPs in 20 seasons. That's a Finals' MVP every 5 seasons. So Jordan wins a Finals' MVP twice as often. Jordan has won a Defensive Player of the Year award. LeBron has never won a Defensive Player of the Year award. Jordan made an All Defensive First team 9 times in his 15 year career. That's once every 1.67 seasons. LeBron made All Defensive First team 5 times in his 20 year career. That's once every 4 years. Jordan won the scoring title 10 of his 15 seasons. LeBron won the scoring title only once in 20 seasons.
All said, LeBron is NOT trash. Mike being the G.O.A.T. doesn't mean LeBron is trash. LeBron is STILL on my Mount Rushmore....But he's not MIKE. No shame in that.
LBJ just played a long time & I believe if he played all 82 he would've already retired. LBJ hooks up with other established all-star players to win. He always had multiple all-stars. He was the only player in last season playoffs to have a top 10 player and Davis played good but they couldn't get it done. (LBJ, Harden& KD SMH.)
i beg to disagree, the maker of the video did not ever say Lebron was THRASH. He just showed MJ was the GOAT and Lebron is NOT, based on facts and evidence. Now if anyone can counter his points with facts and numbers, I would like to see them.
Playing FIFTEEN (15) years in the NBA, "MICHAEL JORDAN" has "VIRTUALLY" ALL statistical data OVER everyone that has EVER played in the NBA, from "EVERY ERA." And, I'm a "LEBRON JAMES" fan!
I've watched almost Jordan's entire career, watched Kobe's and LeBrons entire careers. Jordan is my goat. I think the thing for MJ isn't just what he done, its more so how he did it. Thinking about that and then how LeBron met with Wade and Bosh and how he announced going to Miami, its why he receives so much hate. People forget that he was young, rich, and didn't go to college. Jordan is my goat but if LeBron had went to college, he would probably be the goat hands down. College would've polished him up better than him learning on the fly in the NBA.
Even if he went to college, he would be a one and done. It wouldn't be to much time to polish anything! And about the hate comment, according to his head coach he was getting hate as 18 year old before the decision even happened.
It was hard how? The bulls were the team to beat, in turn they were the juggernaut. If you are the best you can’t play yourself. No one else won during that eight year period. But GSW, San Antonio, Toronto won during the LeBron era.
Us Jordan fans don't believe LeBron is trash. We just don't believe that he should be compared to Jordan. He's a great player but he's just not better than Jordan that's all. It's ok. Personally I would but him at number 4 of all time. Behind MJ, Kobe, and Larry Bird.
A person CAN think Jordan is the better player without thinking James is “trash” or some other nonsense. Dude is certainly a top 10 (at least) player all-time. On the shooting portion, I don’t think DP was dissing LeBron for him driving the lane for the majority of his shots. He’s just pointing out the “why” in regards to James having a better shooting percentage than MJ. Shaq’s shooting percentage is about 9 points higher (58% to 49%) than Steph Curry, but I think it’d be foolish to say Shaq is the better shooter. Great reaction.
He is not saying that he is trash, it may seem that Lebron is trash if you compare him to MJ, BUT, if you compare him to other basketball players, he is one of the best, and that's the point, a lot of times fans of Lebron don't understand that this video is not saying that Lebron is a bad player, is saying that in comparison to MJ, Lebron has a lot of weaknesses, and that's why a lot of people gets angry at the people that claims that Lebron is the GOAT. Now, personally I like to hear the arguments of both supporters, and the discussion is fun for me, but I think that there is not a GOAT, there are GOATs relatives to different eras. But that is my opinion.
@@watchmyshoeskustoms958 man, if you need explanation to the point, it's not worth it... this is when a person explains something about a topic and you drive the attention to the color of the snickers of that person and for that reason it doesn't gives you confidence.
I started to watch basketball because of Jordan. I admired him but I never loved him. My favorite players back in the day were Scottie Pippen and Penny Hardaway. Jordan was different. It was difficult to relate to him. It seemed as if he didn't want to allow any other player in the NBA to win or to shine. If they gave the MVP to somebody else or if there was talk about somebody being good Jordan tried to destroy them at the next opportunity. Guys like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton and Malone should have won a championship and now youngsters think that they weren't all that because they never won. They were great players but they were unlucky to play in Jordan's era. When Jordan retired after the first three-peat all the other teams thought that this was their moment. Then he came back after a couple of years of playing baseball and won three more. Again, you can admire such a person but it's difficult to relate to him. Jordan played against many other great players like Kareem, Bird, Magic Johnson or Kobe but there was never any GOAT debate. The GOAT should be like porn. You know it when you see it. And if you are not Muhammad Ali you can't go around telling everybody that you are the greatest of all time.The GOAT thing should be self explanatory and when you saw Jordan play it was obvious even to non basketball fans that he was very different from anybody else. And as was said in the video there was no such thing as load management especially with Jordan. He played hard on offense and defense every night, every quarter. But in a way he had to. Jordan was an icon and part of contemporary pop culture. People from all around the world watched the NBA and were wearing the Air Jordans because of him. He had created this myth and set a standard that was so high that it didn't allow for going easy or failing altogether. Having a "good game" was already sort of a disappointment. It's surprising that the never mentally cracked under the pressure to deliver. May be he would have if he hadn't been out of the sport in the middle of his career. Many people say that the Bulls would have won 8 straight, but I highly doubt that could have happened. In the 93 season you could see that as a team the Bulls were slipping. In the playoffs the Bulls should have lost against the Knicks and I also think that the Suns had a very favorable matchup against them. But again, Jordan simply refused to lose even when the Bulls were not so hot.
"CONTEXT??" ... 2 3peats (3 wins in a row TWICE)... Most dudes CAN'T win 2 in a row 1 time.... JORDAN 3 "in a row" BACK to BACK. What are we talking about?!?!
Do you know that MJ won the scoring title and made the All NBA Defensive Team in the same season 9 times? Nope. Or that he won the scoring title, MVP and DPOY in the same year? Nope. It's more than just the 6 rings sh*t, dude.
Larry Bird fans only have an issue if you say that Jordan is the most clutch player in history. Larry Bird knew that Jordan was better than him. That 1986 game where Jordan was playing for a team comparable to the cavaliers in Bron's first couple of years against one of, if not the most stacked teams in NBA history with 5 prime Hall of famers and one or of prime Hall of famer and took them to triple overtime. Bird knew that Jordan was the best player in the court. He also knew that the next 6 or 7 best players were all Celtics. Bird is arguably a better shooter and definitely a better three point shooter and is more clutch. But bird and magic both say Jordan is the goat.
His defense starting going declining his second stint in Cleveland. Well before the Lakers. Remember he gasn't made a defensive team since Miami. LeBron is just now at the point were his age can be a part if the excuse. But it doesn't excuse most of it. And remember that a lot of his defensive problems stemmed from his lack of effort on defense some years. Barring major injury it's usually the main reason soneone who's shown how great they can play suffers that kind of dropoff. Trying and failing is different than failing because you didn't try.
they're hating on Bron cause he didn't meet everyones expectation he's one of those they call over hyped player, while MJ on the other hand is the opposite he did more work than talking and he just stayed humble, he never put the title GOAT on him...
Bro, nobody hates Lebron. I'm 53yrs. And i have been blessed to witness Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Charles Barkley, Dr j, ect. the list goes on and on. And out of all of these player and ERAS....simply put Micheal Jordan is the one player I have ever seen play at the level that he played night after night, year after year. And did it with consistency. I can't remember a time that Jordan didn't show up for a game. But I have witnessed LeBron do just that. Im not downing or taking anything away from labron. Infact he is a great player and This goat debate is very much real. But so are the facts. Which means there really isn't any goat debate all.
Hate are truth, you decided what you thought it was already. Me I can just look at all the help he has had, and never performed the way Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, Hakeem, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Shaquille, Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain, and and more.
the only reason lebron has longevity over MJ is because he barely plays the game. MJ played 80+ games a year hurt and sick and the pistons were able to physically beat the crap out of him and he still scored 60. todays game is a joke 3pt competition where nobody can play defense. I can't imagine unguarded MJ in his prime today, people stop playing today for no reason.
Question for you: do you rather make it to the finals and lose more than you win, or do you want to win every time? I don't hate Lebron, but #'s don't lie plan and simple. I'm old enough to have seen both of them play. I'm a Pacers fan so Reggie, Schrempf, Rose were my favorites, but I also watched every Bulls game that came on TV. MJ was just special, and Lebron is just really good. In terms of scoring, take this inconsideration. Wilt Chamberlain is in the record books for scoring a 100 points in a game, and he is still not considered the GOAT. Also, if I go back to watch a Bulls game, I've never seen not MJ play all or 3/4's of a game but I've seen Lebron do that regularly. MJ, 1 year injury and all, played more games in 12 years than Lebron has over the course of 20 years.
Me personally, I'd rather lose before I get to the finals because everybody gone talk about your finals losses no matter if you team is inferior, they don't keep the same energy if you lose before that!
@@itsshadbihbecause it’s progression once MJ got to the top of the mountain he never looked back lebron has made it to the top of the mountain an slide back down and is trying to climb over to catch the old man that stopped mountain climbing 20 + yrs ago that he still thinks he’s in competition against 😂the guy is long gone in another dimension and he still think if he can just get over the mountain again and the old man will be standing right there for him to catch 🤣🤣🤣 but In Reality he will never even see the old man ever again
Respect to you my man for looking at the facts and seeing the truth! Saw MJ and Lebron when they came to the league and as you saw you concluded in the end. LeBron is a baller, yet he is not MJ the best ever!
James had multiple all stars in every run. He was never alone. That is a lie. You have to go to college because he played in a time where the best players played in college. There was no G-League or one and dones like that. The best of the best playing against each other.
The facts are that Jordan was both a better individual player than LeBron (season averages, accolades, eye test, skill set, offense and defense) and was a better winner - his team more won championships than LeBron's teams (6-0 in the finals) with a higher win percentage in fewer total seasons played. LeBron is a great basketball player and he is historically great, but he simply isn't as good as Jordan was.
My reason was he took a jacket from a college B4 his HS championship and he got suspended so espn took back their $100,000 to televise it so they said oh we won’t suspend him so they could keep their $100,000
@@itsshadbih No because that is a legit comparison Steph the game's greatest shooter vs Magic the game's greatest passer take yr pick but MJ was the game's Greatest player
@@itsshadbih He's 38! And still will be 38 when the season starts...the real goat never made an excuse... Now that's another reason Jordan is the GOAT😂😂
