The refs cost the Lions the game last night. This doesn’t happen as often as people want to believe, but the refs absolutely had a negative influence on this game.
Been watching football for 30 years, this is my first time seeing calls this bad I am a Lions fan but I would be upset even if the refs did this to the Packers. It is just some bulls*it
I am an NFL junkie, but this year have been skewing towards college ball. Brady was right; the games are becoming unwatchable. Some of these refs are in over their heads and replay appears to be nothing more than a kangaroo court. Total joke. I’d rather get rid of replay altogether than this.
@@kenmcneillmusic1699 the lions didn't lose the game because they didnt score touch downs they lost the game because two packers drives were extended by phantom calls and the offensive drive between had a miss PI. To simply say you cant kick field goals against Aaron Rodgers because he is too good is bogus, the lions showed up when they needed to, in critical third down moments and the refs took it away.
If literally anyone with a television screen can see a wrong call, why not have just as many clowns in the booth looking at the same screen, call down to the ground and say "Hey you guys got it wrong"? Takes literally 1 minute with just one person. Why is this so difficult?
The refs need to be able to pick up a flag when they make a mistake. They obviously could have done it twice last night. They clearly wanted the packers to win
They are 100% allowed to do that, in the Cowboys Lions playoff game from however many years ago they made a PI call (that was obviously a correct call) and then reversed it with absolutely zero explanation and arguably cost them the game
💯 percent agree BUT you can't rip Baker for calling out the refs. Media patted Brady on the back for bitching about legitimate holding calls but destroys coaches and other players for the same thing
Replay is the problem - not the solution. We (fans) need to stop whining over missed calls and live with human error. That's the way it was until the mid-80s and we still LOVED our sports. Just because we have this great technology doesn't mean it's the answer to this perceived problem. If replay was the answer, we wouldn't be complaining like this today, because the NFL has had replay since 1986. More replay has led to worse on-field officiating, strange/esoteric rules, and little to no improvement when it comes to missed calls.
Is the NFL game speed drastically different than college football because I watch every Saturday and college doesn't have this issue but the NFL has had the same problem since ref went on strike almost 4-5 years ago
@@biglicker4473 it's hard for me to believe the NFL is so fast that a ref can't call a clear PI or see that the DE doesn't have his hands on the OL facemask
SOLUTION: When the refs throw a flag, why can't the officiating crew "upstairs" respond in real time? After all, the game stops when the flag is thrown. There are usually a few minutes between the end of the flagged play and the start of the next play. At that point, they can decide whether to pick it up (if it is clear), let it stand or if "further review is necessary." While this won't stop the "selective penalty" decisions (i.e., intermittent flags thrown for things -- like holding -- that happen throughout the game), it would address some of the most obvious blunders (such as the two Trey Flowers flags). MOST IMPORTANTLY, the NFL needs to remind the refs to NOT THROW A FLAG if the ref is not 100% certain (in real time) that a penalty actually occurred. In other words, use the proper courtroom approach. If there is ANY doubt, don't convict. If there is ANY doubt, don't throw a flag.
You can call that hands to the face on almost every play and its impossible for the defense to do anything about it as it's automatic 1st down. What a fricking mess.
I'm not a Lions fan. However, those calls -- without question -- cost the Lions that game. If the Lions miss the playoffs because of a single loss that came about by bad calls, then how does the NFL respond? "We're so sorry, let's move on?" That is their typical answer. It isn't enough for fans that spent money on tickets, apparel or, gasp, betting.
Do u remember Fail Mary ( Packers missed playoffs by one game), 95 championship( Michael Irvine push off game), 2014 Coboys- beating the Lions( refs blow it), Saints-Rams..... around 20 penalties called on Packers during a 2010 Regular season game.... all teams have their sad ref stories
Here's the part I think that bothers NFL fans the most......... Take any average NFL fan that didn't watch that game last night and when they woke up this morning and heard wow one team get completely hosed numerous times in that game guess who it was? Being that this should be close to a 50-50 answer, I can promise you 90%+ NFL fans would have guessed that the Packers were the ones that who got the calls their way and the Lions were the ones who were hosed. Now how and why could this be the case? likely due to A) being at home and B) what many perceive to be the NFL's push to support Rodgers and one of the so called popular teams in the league not to mention C) the Lions seem to be on the bad end of things way more times than not. Sad that we all know this BEFORE hand!! That's a big issue to lots of folks as it's almost so obvious that it's slap in the face to those who follow and support this league.
The problem is instant replay. Ask yourself these questions: 1) Did on the field officiating get worse after they added replay? 2) Has it gotten worse each time they added or expanded replay? 3) Have the rules gotten more esoteric and difficult to understand since replay? 4) Do we still miss calls - even after the play has been reviewed? Spoiler alert! The answer to all of those questions is "Yes." The only argument FOR replay is "We have the technology, we should use it to get the calls right." That's a nice thought, but it's not based in anything statistical or evidence based. The truth is that we'll always have missed calls, and no amount of replay will fix that. Replay has eroded the confidence of the on-field officials, and it's made a mockery of the rules (see the rule about how to complete the "process of the catch"). Replay gives the players, coaches, and fans a false sense of security that they won't be screwed over by a bad call - but they still get screwed over by bad calls. Replay is not the answer, and in fact is part of the problem. Human error has always been an important part of our sporting world. Mistakes by players and referees get discussed around the water cooler (and now on social media) the next day. Mistakes are in fact one of the reasons why we love our sports so much. Without human error, the games would be played "on paper" and there would be no upsets. All replay is bad. All of it. Every sport. I'm not against technology being used to improve the officiating of the games in real time - but the same way a QB can't go back and have a second chance to make that tough throw, the refs shouldn't get a second chance to make a tough call. Fans have become babies complaining about bad calls, and the league has listened to them. It's a mistake.
That being said, I'm not against some kind of replay-like system that happens quickly - essentially "in real time." There's no reason you couldn't have a panel of 3 refs in a booth watching each game, quickly reviewing certain elements of each play. They would have a few seconds after each play is over to "make a call" from the booth. Having a view provided by a camera angle not available to the refs eyes is fine, but once a call is made let's live with it. We're getting our panties in a bunch more over a mistake made by the guy reffing the game than we are by the guy we're paying millions to throw to our receivers.
Reviewing interference was a PR move from the beginning, that's all. It won't actually have any meaningful effect and they won't renew it after this season.
Why does this happen to the Lions so frequently? I can recall at least 10 ridiculously bad calls going against them dating back to the Calvin Johnson "complete the process" call. Weird.
The games are rapidly becoming unwatchable. The only solution I can see is to vastly diminish the amount of ultra high resolution, frame-by-frame replays that are allowed. Essentially unwind the camera coverage of the game to something more akin to the 80s than today. Couldn't watch this specific game, but was able to watch last week's Packers/Cowboys game, and I swear the last 2 minutes were clogged with more flags than an entire quarter of a typical game 20 years ago.
Im so sick of every single large Corporation in America. Their greed ruins everything they touch. From Google, to Apple, to Disney, the NBA and the NFL. I dont like this current world and want off it.
Firstly, its sad to see it took THIS LONG for you fools to cover this but PAT has been screaming about this for TIME. These major networks def have their big shots close their mouth but all it takes is one dude to start it and it started with Pat Mcafee and to see you bring it up now just shows how scared you were to talk about this head-on and waited to see another person in the media discuss it and possibly take the fall. Yall think yall are slick but some people in the world see the cowardness yall have obtained over the years. just sayin
Every now and then as I'm watching a game I notice that whenever one team gets a nice gain, they suspiciously get a holding penalty to negate it. And on defense, the refs can call defensive pass interference whenever they want and there's nothing stopping them. Notice how many penalties there are on 3rd down to give an automatic 1st down or negate a 1st down. I don't think they're going to overturn it because they want the games to go a certain way or at least maintain a certain closeness.
Hey Rich, where in the rule book does it say the Detroit Lions have to play perfect football in order to be upset about egregious calls? This is the NFL, the games are mostly going to be close. You can't write it off as bad officiating if the bad calls go against the same set of teams all the time. More to the point, when they happen at crucial moments that decide the game. This isn't the first time Aaron Rogers has been granted extra shots at the Lions (Hello fake facemask penalty to give them a Hail Mary). How about in the playoffs against the Cowboys? That blatant pass interference is going to give the Lions a real shot at winning the game? Better pick it up, can't have the Cowboys out this early. How about reinterpreting the catch rules to take away a Calvin Johnson winning TD away? How about penalizing the Lions 10 seconds to end the game for a review the refs initiated?
The jets got 3 PI flags on the final drive called against them and none of them would be overturned because they weren’t egregious bad calls with enough evidence to overturn. They were bad calls and at least one of them was definitely not a flag but they won’t overturn it.
With all of the mistakes, you may as well go back to the 80s and have no replay at all, the call on the field is the call. Sounds crazy but think about it, they're getting a ton of stuff wrong even with 2019 technology and replay and challenges at practically max level. Also, is it possible that refs are relying on the replay too much, and are getting a bit slack with the real time reffing which is essentially their number one job? It makes sense psychologically, it's human nature almost. With no replay available would they maybe bear down a bit and get more stuff right on the field?
It's not crazy. It's exactly right. Replay is part of the problem and definitely not the solution. Literally the only argument FOR replay is "we have the technology, we SHOULD be getting these calls right." That's a great thought, but ARE WE? No, we're still missing calls - and we always will. Human error is part of the game. It's why we love it. The league gave in to whiny fans complaining about bad calls, and added replay. It's done nothing but make on-field officiating worse, and led to strange rule changes. One of the most talked about games in sports history is still talked about because of human error - Buckner letting the ball go between his legs. Why aren't we whining for a way to get our player to be mistake free? When your QB misses a throw he always makes, why don't we give him a second chance? Because human error is part of the game, and the referees are part of the game. Their mistakes have always affected the game. Fans need to stop whining.
Zebras and new york officials royally screwed a great game up and then put the icing on the cheesecake with that very suspect call that the NFL said shouldn't have been called!!!
Its not that tough to officiate, make everything reviewable via a sky judge, the game is a joke at the moment & Roger Goodell get paid how much & this level of referee is happening. Destroying the game & it is directly effecting outcomes. This is another reason why the NFL are so to uptake on sports gambling. get your shot together NFL
More replay isn't the answer. If it was, the game would be much more watchable now than it was 30 years ago. It's not, because more replay has caused worse on-field officials, it's caused strange rule changes (the current "process of the catch" rule is a direct result of replay), and it hasn't ended our complaints over bad calls. Insanity is doing more of the same thing expecting different results. Replay hasn't fixed what they thought it would fix. The answer is certainly not more of it.
The Lion's have been getting hosed by the ref's for years. See Dallas. See this moronic game. See ya watchin' college ever more. And if every call is going to be reviewed, the games will take 5 hours.
I hate that argument of score more so the refs dont affect the games. This isnt college football, unless the team is god awful (dolphins) you usually only win NFL games by less than 7 points. Thats why they are fun to watch! When you hand a team free possessions you loose, when the refs give them away its almost impossible.
Bullshit.........the Lions had basically 3 calls that were equal to turnovers go against them in the last 10 minutes and worst part is this was ZERO FAULT OF THE LIONS as they did nothing wrong. No team/QB could overcome 3 turnover possessions last 10 mins of game in Lambeau. The first hands to face would have made it 4th and 21 which essentially ends a drive and gets them the ball back up 9 points with 10 minutes left instead a TD Green Bay for basically getting whole new set of downs. This would be same as fumbling a punt and GB recovering for TD. Next drive the PI non-call was a perfectly thrown ball hitting guy is chest means automatic 3 or possibly 7 points up 9 again which is 2 possession lead with 5 minutes left. Lastly the last hands to face again on 3rd down makes for not only a harder FG attempt but also takes away chance job for the QB with 2nd most comeback wins last 5 years in NFL (Stafford).
The PI challenge flag was created for the type of play that cost the Saints a Super Bowl appearance, not for run of the mill PI calls or no-calls. The coaches will realize when to throw the flags as time goes on.
J C but where’s the line when there are so few games that every game could mean the difference between making the playoffs and not? If they only wanted them reserved for big games, they should’ve only made the rule for the playoffs.
Most of these sports shows that I've watched today keep making excuses for the refs saying that the lions had to overcome the bad calls . They are afraid to tell it like it is. Thanks for being honest here. And yes the new PI review is a complete joke and an insult to the fans.
First of all, the first one was a hands to the face.... they showed it... there are pics of it.... then they skipped it on all the additional replays.... The NFL wants you talking about this.... controversy=$$$...... 2. Nobody could tell it wasn't a normal helmet to helmet hit at full speed. The guy is going to miss two games( including the one he was playing)..... give me a break 3. Missed pass interference!!!? Seen 20 or more of those this year and I've only watched 10 games..... and he touc4hed his chest for second 4. Ok...bad call on 2nd hands to the face, but everyone thought it was hands at full speed..... There have been shitty calls for at least the last40 years Ask yourself how much better the Packers would have played with Jeronimo in the game or why the second string running back was out two games when the guy who flagrantly helmet to helmet hit him only got a 15 yard penalty. Convenient for the Eagles in that game and not the Packers who took that L.....your really boo hoping the wrong things now aren't you!!!!
Just like Dee Ford’s offsides penalty last year, another pass rusher (who knew refs were watching him) put his team in a bad position when he wasn’t getting to the QB on that play anyway. Yes it was a bad call but if Flowers really used his head & trusted his secondary then Lions win.
41% challenge success rate. His team was punished for filming that broke no rule only a memo of what became a rule the next year. His team was punished for natural cold deflation of balls after the Colts illegally gauged a ball and had illegally deflated balls. Garrett, Rivera, Reid, Marrone, Carroll, Shanahan, O'Brein, Quinn, Peterson, Shurmur get more calls.