The Warriors of Light on other Reflections - FFXIV Lore Theory 

The heroes that Elidibus summons at the half way point in the trial are the main cast of Final Fantasy 4. You can even see Palom and Porom twincasting through the rest of the fight.

One thing i found interesting. The first Spectral Hero, the Spectral Swordsman, has the hairstyle AND the armor set that are references/homages to the FF1 Warrior design. Well the sprite design anyway. those gloves and the chest piece are very specific after all. And considering how in ff1 you name your characters it makes it a touch amusing that Thancred asks who he is and gets no answer.

In my opinion, all of them are warriors of lights. And the concept of 'beyond the rift' could represents a distinct type of multiverse, not the 14 shards that emerged after the sundering.

It's a fair callback for the Spectral Heroes in that dungeon. The Spectral Thief would take offense on being called such, he prefers 'Treasure Hunter'. He very closely resembles the Amano artwork for Locke. The Spectral Necromancer is a callback to Lena Charlotte Tycoon in her Necromancer job outfit. In FFV, the four heroes you control are from the World of Light and are actual Warriors of Light. The Spectral Barbarian is the one that people are still the most confused about who that may be. :) But it is fair to say that each of them, in their own way, are likely Warriors of Light from other reflections(titles).

i wish berserker becomes a limited job. and i hope we meet spec-necro later on.

if the spectral necromancer foreshadowing and your theory end up being true, and we end up getting a necromancer caster job for 7.0, i will explode out of excitement although i would also be really happy about getting to talk to some of the other reflection's warriors of light in a less deadly scenario, would be really cool to hear their stories, their problems and how we could potentially help them

Pretty sure some of the warriors were summoned from The Source, because among them were spectral Dragoons which wouldn't exist in worlds without dragons. With that being the case, I wonder why we haven't heard anything about the effects of the summoning on those individuals.

I don't think the Necromancer is a voidsent hero. The powers of the 13th seemed somewhat tame, and mostly "normal." With the way a certain "friend" tells us the nature of the other reflections could surprise us, I have a deep feeling that the Necromancer comes from one of the remaining reflections. I also think that what we know as Warrior of Light isn't the exact same, or may have different connotations. Look at how the WoL title is viewed on the 1st. Imagine a reflection that views it almost religiously, and that they are held up as scions of righteousness and nobility. Then imagine you are a skilled necromancer, and then found to be a WoL. Changed world view galore. Or look at the "Warriors of Light" in the 13th itself. I would like to see the tale of the aftermath of that situation caused by Elidibus to play out over not just 7.0, but also 8.0. Hints and clues in 7.0, but actually addressed by going to a new reflection in 8.0. I just don't see much reflection hopping outside of the 13th and 1st, until 8.0. I think Mericydia and/or the New World will be the base locations for 7.0, to keep the adventurer feel going, with the trial/side story based around Yshtola finding the safe way to traverse the Reflections, and goes to the 1st. It makes sense to do the more grounded, easier to hand over to the intern stories, while doing an update to graphics and other things systemically.

I hadn't thought about the effect it might have on other shards. I wonder if it would be possible that since Elidibus only summoned a part of their souls and sepcifically their devotion to the warriors of light that the effect to those who were summoned was less pronounced. If G'raha was summoning souls in their entierety which left the scions bodies behind still, I think it would be possible then that if only a fraction of the soul was taken then the majority of it plus the body would remain. Perhaps like a minor sundering, and maybe there was just a mass dizzy spell that afflicted those who were summoned. Far less dramatic of a result but I still know little about what exactly constitutes a soul in game. Comparing our WOL to the People of the first we are 6-7 times rejoined and they are assumidly 1/14 of an amouratine and yet we are corporealy similar enough in the eyes of y'shtola to not make specific note of. Also even though he directly confronted us Elidibus was still acting as emissary and attempting to maintain balance. With that in mind, robbing multiple shards of their heros would run counter to that mission as they would likely all start plummeting away from whatever alignment was un mind for their rejoining.

been thinking about it since i've finished up 5.3. personally, i'm still of the opinion "fragments of their soul" mentioned by Elidibus is simply the individuals' wishes, hopes, emotions and ambitions. their will so to speak. their dynamis. in this case, their will to vanquish darkness. it would explain why an unsundered rich in aether like Elidibus could suddenly be able to manipulate dynamis, as he'd taken on, manipulating, the dynamis of others in the other shards. these spectres are apparently Warriors of Light, so if they were in their complete physical forms, they'd be able to push the whole Norvrandt alliance back. but as simply Dynamis, something as aether-rich as any of the "half-men" of the reflections may have a chance of fending the weaker ones off. as for Hildibrand, i'd posit that his dynamis somehow became an anchor to the First the moment he got knocked out, bringing along the rest of his soul from the Rift, giving him physical form in the First. but then again, it's Hildibrand... so we may want to take that with a grain of salt. but maybe i'm being hopeful and wrong. maybe i just rather not think that hundreds of warriors of light among the 13 other shards, through the ages had died, gone mad, or lose their powers after having a chunk of their actual soul plucked away into the First. or maybe once their spectres were "killed" or sent back, it was as if nothing happened, as if they had a short momentary daydream for them or they're mind went blank, dazing at space for a few seconds without any long term detrimental harm done.

I'm worried the summoned heroes were either killed or changed somehow. It could mean evils that they were keeping at bay took control of the Shards they were from or even Elidibus's influence corrupted them and maybe they try to take up the Ascian's cause and we're forced fight them to stop another rejoining from happening. There's so many possibilities for what they could do with a story centered around one or more of the Shards we haven't visited. I'm excited to see what they have in store for us when we eventually find a safe way to travel to them.

I loved the armor on the bosses in that dungeon.

I'm really hoping they just ended up back on their world and we didn't murder swaths of heroes to get to Elidibus. That's too dark, even for me.

I think it may have partly kneecapped those on other shards. I wouldnt be suprised if that is part of the next xpac. Imagine having a world in chaos where heros had suddenly been robbed of their power, described as a sickness.

I had reason to suspect that the spectral Thief was Locke from Final Fantasy 6

I wonder if we're going to be chastised or even bear the brunt of revenge for killing those WoLs from other reflections when we go to them. It's not our fault but it also is, like it would create so much conflict.

If the Spectral Necromancer *was* from the Thirteenth, and with what we know about the souls of the Thirteenth being locked in a deathless cycle... could she have been Zero's *mother*? Fighting for her love. Tainted by Darkness. A Warrior of Light at the same time.

Nice theory video. I doubt the female Necromancer is from the 13th howerver. My guess is that she is from the same reflection as Nybeth Obdilord ( the story endboss from Palace of the Dead, because he is also not from the souce and a powerful Necromancer )

Hey I got an interesting video idea! Although it’s more of just an evolving narrative and maybe some small hints I’d like you to help maybe point out possible areas where it foreshadowed or even hinted at endwalkers main villain and ideas. Such as Dynamis, Metion, Allag etc!!

The necromancer reminds me of Edda from the tam-tara deepcroft hard dungeon

Great topic, and I think back to this "dungeon" often as it is one of my favorite moments of the whole expansion. I like to think that rather than being left totally helpless and fully transported to another dimension, that the warriors who were susceptible to the call entered a form of sleep like a lucid dream state. When their aether was dispersed, their consciousness would be rejoined back to them, much like astral travel might be considered. Not totally safe because that part of their soul or aether may or may not have been restored....just depends on whether "soul" is a restorable resource in this case like aether is. As for the bosses, thats a tough one. Is it possible that they were brought more fully in because they were easier to manipulate for one reason or another? The Berserker and the Necro I can see why they might be, but the "Thief" or Treasure Hunter I'm not so sure.

I want to be more positive and say, when we defeat them and they fade. They wake up back in their world like a nightmare and maybe a headache

I wonder if we're getting a Swordmaster class that plays like Cloud AC and Noctis that can summon different weapons and change stances as a mdps. I imagine this could play like ninja and samurai and a lil bit of GNB. 😅

Spectral Swordsman is a reference to FF1's Fighter sprite. While the Spectral Black Mage looks more akin to FF3's Magus, but that's only because the hat. It's obviously a Black mage. 4:30 - Adventurer's are _NOT_ Warriors of Light, the only one who can be defined as Warrior of Light are the one under the Blessing of Light after they did the retcon. Else, they are Echo-users. This is because FFXIV's lore is a clusterfok and always has been. So in other words, each of these WoL's are from different time periods, each blessed by the Light in turn to do Hydaelyn's bidding. 5:05 - Spectral Thief is based on Locke from FF6. Of course in FF6 the idea of Crystals and WoL was not a thing really but that's beside the part. The spectral Necromancer is probably based on Faris or Lenna from FF5, as that game has the job system and one of the bonus jobs they added were Necromancer. In FF5 as well, there were Crystals that bestowed the job system upon the main cast, thus granting them the title of Warrior of Light. And the Spectral Berserker, ditto. Also FF5 most likely, or FF3. 7:20 - It's just a reference to other FF games. Zero is a reflection of you, Azem. Some day, we will eat her and become even stronger. 8:48 - That's easy. Assuming they died, that can only mean they return to the Aetherial sea and most importantly, being that they *are* Warriors of Light, they will become a part of us and make us stronger. If they are not, then their souls will cause more Echos to happen for others, making other people stronger to perhaps rise up and become fighters in their own rights. Or did the echo stuff only happen if a whole world was ruined... Either way, if they die, they return to the sea to be reborn. If slaying the spirit only sends them back, well, they might wake up with a debuff. Lel. 9:30 - Naah, that'd mean actual competent storytelling. 10:54 - No it's not. As I said, that'd require competent storytelling :3 11:05 - We already have. Zero is us. We are Zero. One will feed the other like Ardbert did.

Could be a pull for the Scion to visit other shards. If their WoLs were all killed or maimed by Elidibus. Equally, thats a bit much to take on.

They aren't from the other still-existing reflections. Elidibus pulled all of these WoL souls from the Ether...from the fallen reflections.

I dont remember these fights at all

Do you really think FF14 will continue to delve on these things in 7.0 I would love it, but I am afraid we may have seen the last of this {in 7.0 I mean} Considering the talk about NEW story.