This was so much fun! I'm very happy we got to celebrate you and The Way of Edan in this fantastic discussion. Congratulations again on an excellent debut!
@@PhilipChaseTheBestofFantasy As I noted in the Prequel Video with Doc AP, the Prequel reminded me quite of Biblical Stories: Jesus at the Temple Market & the Martyrdom of Stephanus Nightgangers/Pucas: Could not help but think “Clever Girl!” (The Raptors from Jurassic Park) 😆 Poor, poor Oswy and his dog! 🥲 (Gollum’s voice) “You tricksy Professor, making me feel the feels for the relationship between Oswy and the dog and then cut them! Nasty Professor!” 😆🥲 Gruddug: Mongolian Death Worm/Sand-worms from “Dune” Dayraven: Taran/Rand (stabbed and resurrected(?): Frodo/Jon Snow) Asdralad: «Earthsea» by Ursula Le Guin meets the Aes Sedai from Robert Jordan The Way: Whitecoaks/Aes Sedai (Jordan) + The Inquisition of The Union/The Magi (Abercrombie) + Istar (Tolkien) + Wizards (Le Guin) Edan: Dalei Lama/Jesus/Jewish Messias/Mahdi/Dragon Reborn Aldmund the Profet: Da Vinci Code-Jesus/Satanic Verses/ Joseph Smith As a Protestant, I am tempted to make a Catholic Transubstantiation joke, but in the name of Ecumenism, I’ll let it slide for now. THE DOOM RING! 1) Doom- Norwegian “dom”-“judgement”, The “Doomsday Book” of William the Conqueror coming from a similar origin. 2) “dum” -“delving” in dwarvish (hm…🤔) Dayraven seeking aid from Galdor in Ellond= Galdor, member of ElRond’s Council as representative of the Grey Havens: I see what you did there Professor 😉! Orvandil in King Earconwald’s hall “Sigseld” = Beowulf in King Hrothgar’s Hall “Heorot”. Professor Chase mentioning “Beowulf”: “I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!» 😂 A failed redheaded Kingkiller? A subtle nod to Rothfuss, Hobb and Sanderson? 🤔 The Red Death: The Historical Black Death/The Great Plague (from Tolkien’s Legendarium)/ “The Mask of the Red Death” by Edgar Allen Poe/The Red Death from the Greyhawk setting of D&D Dweorg Ghettos: The Witcher Dweorg tombs facing North: I just read the Warlord Chronicle by Bernard Cornwall, where the Saxons are buried similarly facing north. Is this based on history, as I did not find anything on that? A small rant: Why did Dayraven and Imharr not get the Brynies of the Dead Soldiers? They got their equipment way cheap: In a famous Frankish source, a sword costs 3 Solidi gold coins (approx 75 denarii/silver coins, approximately 75 full day wages) and in the Sagas 16 milk cows or 32 oz of silver. A Brynie: 12 solidi (approx 300 denari). The Mercenary Company: A clear Erikson/Esslemont influence there! (Sidenote: While a mercenary company seems as a weird unit within a Holy War, I was reminded of a course I took on the increasingly Commercialization of Security: In the US, Private Military Companies are a quite naturalized part of the operation of the US Military and as such (weirdly from a European perspective) service in a PMC is often seen as a similar patriotic service as serving in the Armed Forces) Aglaks: Grendel (Beowulf:Poor Ingbald & Sebbi=Poor Hondscio)+ Troll+ Nøkk+ Dead Marshes (LOTR) Troll B*lls! ⚽️ 🏀 (You and John Gwynne, Professor: Why?! Why?! 🤣) Hasumere: «Beowulf» meets Vietnam War! (CCR’s «Run Through The Jungle» playing: «The Fens Speak Aglak!» & «I love the smell of burning Aglaks in the morning!») Wilfar & Aelfscyn: Kullervo/Beowulf/Ring Cycle/Tolkien (Children of Hurin/Finn & Hengist) + the widow burning from the Ramayana and the Mahabharata/The Rus Viking burial told by Ibn Fadlan The Caergilion killed by Dayraven😭 (prehaps my favourite part of the book, so sad, so tragic!) Word of the Day: chiaroscuro! Troll: «I’m out of this War!» 😆 Orvandil & Gnorn: Big Darn Heroes!😎🤩 (Major Legolas-Gimli vibes! And Orvandil might be my MVP of your story, as I am very intrigued to find out his backstory!) Imharr and Duke Anarad: 😭🤩 Imharr, not the right time to hit on ladies! 😆 (I quite enjoyed Dayraven and Imharr’s relationship, could not help but see my pal Alex Saloen (“Aladria” on YT) a lot in Imharr. He also like dwarfs, Tolkien and Malazan, so I think you would enjoy his “A Tide of Sacred Ice”-series!) I am also certain you will enjoy reading “A Song for Arbonne” by Guy Gavriel Kay after reading this book! 😉 I do have some names/terms that I would love to hear the entomology behind, Professor: Rudumanu? Stanflet? Hraedflyht? Sweothol? Dwola? Sigseld? (“Fire of Victory”?) Widuru? Andumaic? Thjoth? Sibwaru? Riodara? Thulhan? (Thule?) Minulhan? Derahan?
@@MacScarfield Most of these are Old English or made up. Additionally, Galdor is from OE (magic). I recalled only later Tolkien used the name for a minor character. Rudumanu: OE Red mane. Stanflet: OE Stone floor. Hraedflyht: OE Swift flight. Sweothol: OE Flame. Dwola: OE Ghost. Sigseld: OE Victory hall. Widuru: OE Wide door. Thjoth is a variant of the OE theod, meaning the people or the folk. You see variants in Dutch and Deutsch. The Andumaic words, including Andumaic, I pretty much made up. Cheers!
Merphy, it was my pleasure! I'm so happy you joined us! I had a blast chatting with you and the others. Looking forward to the future ones on books 2 and 3!
This was such a hoot! I laughed more during this than any other panel on BookTube I recall. I find myself wishing that Philip and I had our discussion about The Severing Son after I'd read The Way of Edan. The two are quite different, and yet there's quite a bit that's similar. For one, we both feature female MCs that readers routinely call their favorite character; and it's true when we appraise each other, as well--Sequara is my favorite and Philip called Elan his favorite. And we both have young male protagonists who are often indecisive and/or inconsistent. But Philip, if you read this I'm sure you'll agree, there is a major difference in that regard (one that I don't think is too spoilery): one of you (Merphy, I think) said something about Dayraven's inconsistency being due to his always wanting to do the right thing. My young male equivalent (Vahldan) does NOT have this going for him. 😂 Thanks to all of you for the laughs and insights, and extra thanks to Johanna for hosting. Also, if I was ever a little envious of Philip for having all of you cool BookTubers as friends to read and discuss his debut, y'all have disabused me of that inclination, lol.
That's fascinating about the similarities! I thought there was something special about the connection between you two when watching the Severing Son discussion on Philip's channel. That's neat that it translated into the two fantasy stories. We might've been a little hard on Philip due to familiarity from so many previous discussions with him, but we were all impressed with his book! I'm thrilled you enjoyed this discussion, and thank you so much for your kind words! 😊
I'm busy over the next couple of days but hopefully get to this discussion over the weekend. I finished The Way of Edan on the day after it released. It was a page turner. Philip Chase's storytelling reminded me most of Tad Williams and Robert Jordan. Urd was my favorite character. I wish we got more of her and Sequara in the story. The political intrigue among the priests and the politicians was my favorite storyline to follow. Looking forward to hearing the discussion on this book. Thanks for uploading it!
I'm thrilled you loved Urd! She was fantastic. That's so neat that you found the writing reminiscent of Tad Williams and Robert Jordan. I hope you enjoy watching the discussion this weekend and thanks for commenting early!
This is the funniest, most entertaining book discussion I've seen in a long time. Great book, great chat. I want to see y'all get together more often. Merphy and Allen's dynamic was too damn funny! (Also, I love Allen's take on Morty-- I mean Dayraven.)
That Dayraven voice was hilarious!!! I believe we are planning to get everyone back together for books 2 and 3. I'm happy you enjoyed the book! Thanks for watching!
Bah, my local book store is so slow getting WOE shipped in, I gotta spoiler off - but it's wonderful watching you five bounce off each other for 30 minutes. I'll bookmark this chat for later - I've a good feeling about this new author! :P
I'm sorry it's been slow getting to you! I appreciate you watching the non-spoiler section. The spoiler section is fun as well! I hope you enjoy the book!
Ducking out before the spoilers but great chat so far! I'm halfway in and really enjoying it so far. I like the feeling of depth to the world, all the different influences and the politics between the different factions.
Great discussion. I picked up the song of origin being passed, but I thought it was Joruman doing it to make the war last longer so he could do his research.
I have only watched the non spoiler part but this is a great panel discussion crew, reminds me of the Wrath panel with John Gywnn, my favorite book tube video! Hope you can come together for each book of the trilogy & the sequel.
1:29:00 about that. I think Day sensed the gift in Ilm and I wondered if she unconsciously projected her feelings outwards and that's why Day was so moved and swore oath cuz he also has the gift and was receptive of it
This was a brilliant chat! I swear Philip made a great choice in picking Allen to narrate thanks to Jimmy's recommendation. I'm excited to re-read this with the audiobook when it's ready. I finished it a couple of days ago and love it. Congratulations to Philip.
This discussion was both super insightful and just tons of fun, you guys are the best!! I love that everyone had such a good experience with the book, though I honestly wasn't expecting anything else, haha. I am totally with you and Allen that you could feel Philip's voice in the book, but not in a negative or overly obvious way. As Merphy said, it's just that I have heard him talk about the themes he enjoys in stories so often that I could notice the way he had incorporated them into his own story. Anyway, Sequara was also absolutely my favourite character, I would honestly have loved even more chapters with her! And Joruman was a close second, but more so because I thought he was the most interesting and volatile character. And I can't wait for Allen's narration, I am for sure going to re-read the book by listening to the audio!! I think there's lots of re-read value in this series and I love that. Thanks for sharing this discussion, I loved it!! 🤩
Sounds like you and I had a very similar experience! I thought of Philip the whole time with every theme and even with how harmonious the character relationships were 😄. Sequara followed by Joruman-yes! I would put the elf slightly above those two, but I lived for their chapters! I will be destroyed if he kills Sequara in book 2. I'm so excited to read your review, Esmay!
@@Johanna_reads Figured you'd be partial to the Elf, hahah. And when Philip hinted at killing off dear characters in the sequels, I got a mini hart attack, lol. Sequara needs to be protected at all costs!! 🤍
Hi 👋 sorry that I’ve been MIA my husband passed away last week going through a lot.. trying to get back normal watching RU-vid again… I will definitely check out this series!! Happy reading to you!! 📚📖
Oswy: Oswiu king of Bernicia/Northumbria Dayraven: Beowulf: Frankish Standard Bearer killed by Beowulf in a “bear-hug” during Hygelac’s Frisian Raid. Taran Edgil: Anglo-Saxon Family Name Imharr: Irish male name, name of Ivar Boneless in Irish Chronicles Urd: Norse Norn («past»/ «origin») Guthere: Nibelunglied, king of Burgundy Bagsac: Bagsecg, joint commander of the Great Heathen Army with Healfdane Lothen: Lothar, King of Lotharingia Ednoth: Anglosaxon 1) Martyr, 2) Lord Edgitha: English Queen of Otto 1 (first Holy Roman Emperor)/daughter of King Edward Stigand: Bishop of Canterbury from Knut/Canute the Great to William the Conqueror Karad: City in Western India Faldira: Indonesian female name Kiriath (Kiryat): Old Testament City, hometown of the Prophet Uriah and temporarily home of the Ark of Covenant Elur: City in South India Shara: Female name, 1) nation in the Wheel of Time, 2) city in Kashmir, 3) Sumerian God Ganbu: Chinese/Korean “Cadre/Officer” Aran: Irish Islands/male name/“bread” Nila: Indian girl name Galdor: Middleearth Elves: 1) A Noldorian Lord at “Fall of Gandolin”, 2) The Representative of Ciridan of the Grey Havens at Elrond’s Council in Rivendell Freawina: 1) (feminine version of) Freawine, ancestor of the kings of Wessex, Governor of Schleswig. 2) Freawaru: Daughter of King Hrothgar and wife of Ingeld, King of the Headobards (Beowulf) Eanmund: (Beowulf) Scylfing Prince, son of Ohthere and brother of Eadgils/Adils (Hrolf Kraki’s Saga), slayed by Wiglaf’s father, Wiglaf later used his sword when fighting the Dragon alongside Old Beowulf Brynea: Bryn: Welsh “hill” Sigitha: Saxon: Scythe Ethelburga: Saint Æthelburh, queen of Northumbria originally from Kent, missionary Alwyn: Alvin, “Noble/Elf-friend” Halga: (Beowulf/Hrolf Kraki’s Saga) Scylding, son of Healfdane, brother of Hrothgar and father of Yrsa and, by incest with Yrsa, Hrolf Kraki Baldred: A Kentish King (+ Baldrick from Blackadder?) Ebba: Princess (and later Abbess and Saint) Æbba, daughter of Æthelfrith, King of Bernicia, and sister of Oswald & Osiwu, both later Kings of Northumbria. Swithulf: Swithwulf, two 9th Century Bishops of 1) London and 2) Rochester Beornmod: 9th Century Bishop of Rochester Ermenred: Eormenred, 7th Century Kentish Nobleman and possible King Baldulf: Beadwulf, 8-9th Century Northumbrian Bishop of Candida Casa/Galloway Earconwald: (Erkenwald) 7th Century Bishop of London Diangal: Donegal? Dian («swift») Cecht: Irish Celtic God of Healing/ngall («foreigner») Malruan: Maelruan/Mael Ruain, Irish 8th Century Abbot/Saint Bledla: Bleda, brother of Attila the Hun Aldmund: Anglo-Saxon male name, Abbot of Evesham 8-9th Century Ea: River, Sumerian Water/River God Heremod: 1) Legendary Danish and Anglian King, father of Scyld, ancestor of the Scyldings found in “Beowulf”. 2) Hermod: Son and Messenger of Odin, brother of Balder Morcar: 11th Century Earl of Northumbria, faught Harald Hardråde and deposed by William the Conqueror after Hastings 1066 Colburga: Frankish female name Ithamar: Son of Aaron, brother of the Prophet Moses Folcwalda: Folcwald, father of Finn from «Finn and Hengest»: Beowulf/Widseth. «fólcvaldi goða»- «he who rules the host of the Gods» : Epithet of Frøy/Freyr Theodamar: Theodemer, Frankish 5th Century King. Theodemir: 1) Ostrogothic 5th Century King, 2) Suebian 6th Century King, 3) Famous Visigothic 8th Century Nobleman, one of the last to be defeated by the Muslim, before being accepted by them as a vassal and naming his region as Tudmir to his honor. Fullan: (Eddas) Male version of Fulla, Handmaiden of Frigg Heardred: Son of Geatish King Hygelac in Beowulf. King of the Geats after his father is killed in Frisia and later succeeded by Beowulf after his quest in Heorot Hildeflaed: Hildegard of Bingen? Eosa: Kinsman and Warchief of King Octa of Kent in Historia Brittonum Osburga: Queen of Wessex, wife of Æthelwulf and Mother of Alfred the Great Guthfrid: Gudrød/Guthfred/Guthred/Gofraid: Multiple Norwegian Petty Kings and Norse Kings of Dublin, Northumbria and the Isle of Man Æthelwaru: Æthelweard (Ealdorman from Wessex, relative of King Alfred the Great) and his sibling Ælfwaru. Acha: Acha of Deira, 6-7th Century Queen, daughter of King Ælla of Deira, wife of King Æthelfrith of Bernicia and mother of King Eanfrith of Bernica, the Kings of Northumbria (United Bernicia and Deira) Oswald and Oswiu and Abbess Æbba. Wulfgar: Herald of King Hrothgar in “Beowulf” and several 9th to 12th Century English and German Bishops/Abbots Ethelwulf: Æthelwulf, King of Wessex and Father of Alfred the Great. (Actions similar to Casimir III (“the Great”) of Poland, “The Polish Justinian”, who allowed Jews to settle in Poland and gave them privileges and protection.) Osfrid: Danish Champion of Danish King Hemming, contemporary of Charlemagne Tuda: 7th Century Bishop of Lindisfarne Leofgar: Two 11th Century English Bishops Ludecan: Ludeca, 9th Century King of Mercia Adda: 6th Century King of Bernicia Eafa: King of Wessex, Great-great-grandfather of King Alfred the Great Eorp: Anglosaxon for «dark/dusky/brown/swarthy»/ Eorpwald, 7th Century King of East Anglia, son of King Raedwald, the possible King buried at Sutton Hoo (though Eorpwald is also a possible candidate), First Anglo-Saxon Martyred King-Saint, assassinated by pagan noble Dragvandil: The name of the Viking and Skald Egil Skallagrimson’s sword (and both a Grimes-tune and a “Final Fantasy” weapon!) “Dragon-rod”? Froda: Frodi/Frode, eponym of the God Frøy/Freyr and Name of several Danish Viking Kings. Nothelm: 1) Nothhelm (Nunna) 7-8th Century King of Sussex, 2) Nothhelm, 8th Century Archbishop of Canterbury Orvandil: Aurvandil 1) Father of Thor’s stepson Ull, gets a frozen toe, which Thor turn into a star, possibly Venus (“the morning star”), Sirius, Rigel or Alcor 2) Jutish King and father of Amleth (Hamlet) in the Danish Chronicle “Gesta Danorum” by Saxo 3) Origin of Tolkien’s Earendel, father of Elrond and Elros (first king of Numenor) Ethelred: Æthelred, «nobel adviser» multiple Anglo-Saxon Kings, among them the First Christian King of Mercia and several persons in Alfred the Great’s Life: His Father-In-Law, his Son-In-Law and his Archbishop of Canterbury. Æthered «the Unready» (a play on his name) lost the Kingdom of England to the Danish Viking King Svein Tjugeskjegg/Forkbeard, the Father of Knut/Canute the Great. Heahmund: 9th Century Bishop of Sherborne, martyr-saint after killed by Vikings at the Battle of Marton in 871 Wonred: «Beowulf»: Father of Eofor, who was a champion of Geatish King Hygelac (and who became his son-in-law after slaying the Swedish Scylfing King Ongentheow/Egil) Sebbi: Sæbbi/Sebbi/Sebba, 7th Century King of Essex, presumably founder of Westminister Abbey and later sainted. Jaruman: 7th Century Bishop of Mercia (Saruman?) Enge Island: “Narrow” Island, Angeln/Anglia in Denmark, origin of the Angles Adoager: Odoacer, Germanic Warlord who overthrew the last Western Roman Emperor in 476 and declared himself king of Italy/Ado of Vienne, 9th Century Frankish Archbishop and Chronicler/ King Vertigern, British Tyrant who invited the Anglo-Saxons to Britain to fight the Picts Hingwar: Ingvar, 1) birth name of Ivar Boneless, 2) A Swedish King in Legend, 4) Ingvar the Far-Travelled, Swedish Viking who travelled to both the Caspian Sea and the Black Sea, and fought in Georgia on behalf of the King of Georgia during a Byzantine supported rebellion & 4) 13th Century Grand Prince of Kiev Wigstan: 9th Century Mercian Saint, grandson of King Wiglaf. Declined the throne to join a Monastery, but murdered by supporters of a relative, for refusing the relative to marry his widowed mother. Tirgalan: The Tigalari script of South India Gobban:St.Gobhan, 7th Century Irish Saint Bertric: Beorhtric, 8th Century King of Wessex, puppet of his father-in-law King Offa of Mercia. First Viking attack in England on the Dorset shore during his time, killing the shire reeve Beaduheard near the Isle of Portland. Wilfar: Wilfar’s Hill, where King Oswine of Northumbria was assassinated Aelfscyn: “elf-shine/phantom” Risi: Scandinavian Rise: Giant/Jotun Bernred: Irish Chronicles: Beornred/Beornræd, shortruled 8th Century King of Mercia, who was defeated by and lost his throne to Offa. Mull: “Grind”, Middle English: “rubbish” Bothelm: A monk mentioned by Bede, tied to a miracle of healing by a piece of the Holy Cross Ingbald: Norwegian Ingvald («Ruler by Inge(Yngve/Freyr)»), bald (Old English/Saxon: «Brave») Eormenland: Ermanaric, King of the Goths, «Eormenric» in «Beowulf» Utred: Uthred, King Arthur’s Father Irling: Erling, Norwegian Male Name Garmund: (Wermund) King of Danish Angeln/Anglia and ancestor of the Anglian Kings of Mercia. Bosa: 7th Century Bishop of York Adda: 6th Century King of Bernicia Bisi: Bisi/Bifus, 7th Century Bishop of the East Angles Hoc: Father of King Hnæf, Danish ruler of the Jutes («Finn & Hengist» by Tolkien)
Mythology of Edan Notes: Bolthar: Wrestling a Bull, similar to Gilgamesh/Thesevs-Minotaur/Jason-Colchis Bulls/Mithras. (Thor? Auðumbla? Esus-Tarvos?) Sithfar: Anglo-Saxon “Far-traveller”, God of travelers, wolf, cloak & staff (Hermes/Odin, Tyr?) Syn/Logan: Ice/Fire Halmar: Whale. (Jonah? Poseidon/Manannan? Natsilane? Paikea? Beowulf and the Sea Monsters?) Dyna: Grain. Demeter Glora: Gloria(Glory)/Flora, Flower & swan Regnor/Hruga: Odin(Rognir: «Ruler»)/Frigg Orm/Orumo: God of the Dead: Oromë: Valar in «The Silmarilion», Huntsman & Lord of Forests, who First discovered the Elves Angra/Anghara: Norwegian «Angre»- «regret». Angharad: Welsh Female Name, multiple Welsh Queens and women in fiction 1) The lover of Peredur( Pervival of Arthurian Tales) in the Mabinogion, 2) The Mother of Princess Eilonwy in Lloyd Alexander's «Chronicles of Prydain», 3) A goddess in the elven pantheon of Seldarine in «Dungeons and Dragons», 4) A character in the book «Piranesi», 5) A character in «Mad Max: Fury Road»
I'm mind-blown! 🤯🤯🤯 Did you share this with Philip? I don't know what else to say except that this is amazing, and I feel like I did a disservice not acknowledging how many influences were woven into this story! It must've taken extraordinary skill to utilize these terms in a seamless, organic way. My guess is that these influences enhanced the story in subtle ways overlooked by less knowledgeable readers (such as me).
@@Johanna_reads Yes and he said that he was impressed! My only defense is that I have lately read/watched several of these sources within the last years: Tolkien’s “Finn & Hengist”, Matthew Harffy’s “Bernicia Chronicles” (if you enjoyed Bernard Cornwell and “The Warlord Chronicle”, I would recommend checking it out!), Fritz Lang’s “Nibelungen” (amazing silent movie-duology, essentially the first big epic fantasy films!) and the “Northman” movie last year, so this was essentially me going as the Leo DiCaprio meme “I know that from somewhere”. Obviously I did not now everyone, but it put me in the right places to look for the rest!
That's awesome haha! I just finished it a minute ago and loved it. been reading all day after work. Can confirm I didn't read the word bosom 1 time...I could be wrong but I still say.. Allen lies, again! ❤
