You only say that because you are used to it. People from Dylan's timeline could find our timeline more exciting. And don't even get me started on the timeline where the internet was first invented by the Soviets...
Yeah that syntax looks very nice to me. Maybe it's because I'm used to curly braces programming languages or maybe it's because the link reminds me of markdown.
Also, it's much more succinct. With HTML you have to write each tag twice for no reason.
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While I agree, tilde is so painful to use on so many keyboards, I'd rather not. But honestly the same goes for backspace and other special characters, because they are based on US keyboard layouts.
I like the way that this actually takes a look at real life pivotal historic decisions and actually tries to piece together what would have happened if things had gone differently, rather than just coming up with random nonsense.
He's also an excellent programmer, he just never gets the recognition because Carmack is operating from a different dimension. But Romero is better than me, my colleagues, and anyone I've ever met.
In Dylan's alternative universe, I would have been FORCED to use Lisp by now, and I'd have had to learn to get over my distaste for all those parenthesis-es. I always found "WWW" highly amusing because when I was at college, two of the other students always used "WWW" as their software "brand name" - which was based on a quote from Derek and Clive and stood for "Winkie Wanky Woo".
This might be the single best tech talk I have ever seen. So captivating and exciting especially since these things very well could have happened. And omg, that alternate version of HTML, I'll never be able to look at a closing tag again without puking, and Lisp instead of Js, and Java never taking off...
18:11 almost reminds me of ao3 (non-profit fanfiction site aka archive or our own), where tags on a piece of writing are added by the author and then sorted by volunteers, who make synonymous tags redirect to the preferred one, and create parent tags, allowing users to apply a dizen filters and find exactly what they want to read. Very different vibe to algorithmic search engines
I for one, fell in love with those brand new NEXT PALM handheld PCs, small size, robust body, long battery life and powerful computing abilities with classic GRID browser. What else can I need?
I love this spec-fic universe you've built! I'm a Mac/Linux guy today, but would I have been a BeOS guy? A NEXT guy? Or would I have gotten in with CP/M and MP/M? Would Linux have been a project or would other OSes have taken over before there was such a need for a free UNIX-like OS? I'm sure with the multi-media chops Be would've brought to Apple, they'd've come up with something iPod-like, but I wonder how integrated multi-media would be in the GRID?
If I understand Darvin's theory, there is no best solution promoted. What has the highest number of descendants is a mutation that best suits the niche.
I recall being in the first semesters of College when all this WWW stuff started.- using Mosaic . (and using NeXT cubes btw... fantastic machines) ... and I btw. still have a BeBox, running BeOS (NetPositive is unfortunately not a Grid-browser ... it's a web-browser) I have to say, though ... looking back on BeOS from a technical perspective. As much as it was an fantastic OS, basing the API on 1996-style C++ might not have been a good idea in the long run.
Watching this on this google powered device on software for a Google owned website really puts this million dollar deal that never was into perspective.
This talk reminded me of Alan Kay who said as much about the sad state of the web. From an interview in FastFortune (www.fastcompany.com/40435064/what-alan-kay-thinks-about-the-iphone-and-technology-now) "But then, what you’ve got is a gazillion people exploiting all this technology that was invented in the ARPA/PARC community, and most of them are not even curious. You have Tim Berners-Lee, [the inventor of the World Wide Web] who was a physicist, who knew he would be thrown out of physics if he didn’t know what Newton did. He didn’t check to find out that there was a [Douglas] Engelbart [the engineer who had done pioneering work on hypertext and invented the computer mouse].
Screw it, I'm quitting software development, enroll in physics and work my ass off inventing Sliders technology just to find and move to that dimension!
Interesting side note to this, during the time IBM started selling home pc's they leased ms-dos from microsoft and could sell it with their pcs. The fact that they didn't do a deal to make it ibm exclusive meant that MS could sell the OS to anyone. Now couple this fact with both Compaq and Phoenix legally backwards engineering the proprietary ibm pc bios, and ibm using off the shelf parts to build pcs meant that any company could create pc clones. Compaq did just that selling massive amounts and Phoenix just sold bios chips and got rich too. This combination of missteps by ibm, and others like sticking with 286 when 386 became available, and barking up the dead os/2 tree (also developed by MS for IBM) for too long when windows showed up, meant that ibm was basically crushed in the home pc market. They could have cornered that market and I shudder to think how pc history would have suffered if that happened. Luckily for all of us they screwed up and thought they were untouchable.
What a fascinating talk and it must have taken a ton of time for all the research so the whatifs had some basis in reality. It actually took me some time to get what he was talking about since there were quite a few familiar people and software in there but eventually I got it. :p
@@leap123_that wouldn't be remarkable at all in 1999, as even 2.5" hard disks reached 5 GB already in 1997 or 1998. But on the other hand, 64MB of RAM also wasn't really remarkable in 1999.
Never liked html and xml in general due to the end tag nonsense. In some way I think the original proposal would have been easier to work with. Back in the early 2000's I was working on a project at NERA TMN (later part of Protek) where we needed some configuration data and everywhere I looked they suggested using xml. So instead of using anything off the shelf I just made my own and named it GenData (Generic Data), a simple system using curly braces for scope, properties colon value, and angle brackets for arrays to look like any other programming language. It was used everywhere in the project but never published online in any form. Now years later when I am working in a different company, we also needed the same thing and I searched online a bit and there is JSON, the spec is practically identical to my old GenData. Obviously its so simple that anyone could have made it and indeed that is why its so brilliant (enhanced by the JSON5 spec/library with what should have been part of it since the beginning).
I would like to know which parts are really true, which, in itself would be a great story! (Nevermind... at the end Beattie tells us which part were true, and how they came to be)
might have been interesting if you actually got the names of the companies right somewhere found in some text files discovered during the archeology project called FreeDOS, this actually happened ... except ... the company was novel ... the year was 1994 ... and the desktop was called desqview ... and microsoft was still dead last oh ... and is lisp ever popular these days ... "we can't make a decent ADT in something that has the class keyword, but oh boy, functional is going to solve so many issues."
I am as smart as brick when it comes to understanding the implicit, even the obvious stuff. "The web that never was". And it took me 40 minutes to think "hold on that's not what happened". Everything before that was "oh they actually explored it and tried something else but they came back to the first thing and we're going to know why later".
In a lot of ways, JavaScript has the same traits of HyperLisp as described here, tragic quirks aside. You can send code as data and data as code. Take some JS source in string format and `eval` it and hey presto, you've restarted the passed continuation. Of course, the JSON format exists precisely because that would be a terribly insecure thing to do. JSON is a very limited subset of JavaScript to allow only data and not code to be passed when only data is expected. There would probably be an equivalent HLON (pronounced Halon? Network nerds would love it) as a restricted class of S-expressions in HyperLisp. Also, Scheme probably would have been the ideal dialect to base HyperLisp on. As simple, pared down, and easy to implement in a Grid browser as possible
In a Scheme world, HLON would probably just be nornal sexps but quoted (i.e. unevaluated). A few corporate additions later should land us in Clojure literal syntax.
did I hear you correctly and you suggested that LSD was invented at UC Berkley? It was not: "LSD, which stands for lysergic acid diethylamide, was first synthesized in 1938 by Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann."
I remeber 1976 a guy from my hometown had a problem : His daughter was stalked via phonecalls and i builded a device that can "read" incoming calls .... The cops catched the stalker. If you watch your phone now and could read the number of the incoming call ..... that was me. Greets from Germany. I forgot to mention that he was the boss of IBM Germany .... lol
41:06 this behavior is present on the current web it’s called html clobbering or something and it’s a terrible idea that leads to security vulnerabilities so no
@JustSomeRandomness I'm glad someone else noticed it too. I've been seeing a lot of reposts from older comments here lately and was starting to wonder whether it was a bug on... Perhaps RU-vid side? Or if bots were just reposting popular comments for some reason edit: Yup, upon further inspection I realized this dude probably is a bot. But why tho?
