This is speculated to be the cause of the Parent Company Type Moon having "GACHA MONEY" via FGO to support the game without extra payment to do free updates. And how Type Moon being well Type Moon, aka weirdly chill and indie in places. And weirdly Yoshinori Ono, who is producer for the game, who pushed for Free Content Update back during his Capcom Days until Capcom
@@chidori7234 sort of. Lasengle, the Developer of FGO is. And Lasengle's President is Yoshinori Ono. He even said he worked heavily on Melty on a recent interview.
@@dekaidoku hopefully they keep up the good work and seeing my new passion for MBTL this past few month i really like what they are doing in the game. also Lasagna are also doing good addition in fgo too. i really like what type moon are doing recently.
Another thing about the free content the game is the color editor. Basically instead charging you for extra color sets you get to make your own character colors, as you like. FIghting games often lack customization and this a really cool way to add that in. Also essentially gives you more colors than you'd ever need for free. Sadly the game might not be for me gameplay wise but i appreciate the devs for going great stuff.
I really love the way they gave back to the fans. Like free dlc is really crazy for this day and age. The only thing that I can think of that comes close is sf5 which gives you fight money you can use to get some of your favorite characters by just grinding in game stuff.
The dlc being free saved my wallet since i tripled dipped in steam, swtched, and ps4. I also struggle to find character to played. The one I wanted to main where PCiel, Ushi, Mash, and i some how landed on mario. how aggravating would it had been for me to purchase each one seperatly only to find their not my cup of tea?
it's very appreciated, but personally I especially appreciate it when I play the game on my switch and all the characters are there without me paying twice. edit - oh wow apparently there are new levels I hadn't noticed yet!
Project L will be following in the same footsteps with the addition of the game being F2P from the get go. Just like French Bread Riot will have League skins money to mess with so they don't need to worry about making sure their fighting game is financially successful (though it probably will have skins)
just remember that fgo prints so much money they (while not as much as genshin) they can just make anime just for the hell of it. the whales are gods and i kiss their asses with my peasant lips cause holy shit i love dantes. though type moon, where is the tsuki-hime anime that covers all ending and a movie and another kara no kyokai movie?
I guess since it was mentioned, I kind of want to go on a rant about it. I am so sick of the bathroom jokes regarding "Melty Blood" anything. Like, I get it. It's been a joke with the series for a long time. But the meaning it held back then and the meaning it has now has radically changed. Originally, it was a joke of how easy it was to set up and a sign of the player base dedication. As in a "we are so dedicated to this game, we can and will play it anywhere" sort of deal. But at some point, people either outside or new to the community started taking that joke at face value and turned it into a dismissive "haha, this game belongs to be in the bathroom" phrase. Only the FGC can manage to change something inspirationally good into something demeaningly bad. Anyways, with that out of the way, "Type Lumina". I really gotta get more into this fighter. I tried it briefly when it first released but I didn't stick long with it due to various issues. With all the improvements, I've been meaning to get back to it for a while now. It's doing a lot of things I like but it's also wrapped in a lot of stuff I'm not exactly a fan of. The "Tsukihime Remake" character re-designs, the baffling lore reasoning for what can or cannot be included, and of course..."Grand Order" getting so forcibly shoved in, etc. Every time I start thinking of jumping back in, something happens that puts me off just enough to cause me to pass it by. I'll get over it at some point...hopefully. If nothing else, I just want to support French Bread for all the care they are seemingly have for the game.
Okay, you didn't read/search what devs says about free dlc to MB TL (interview was everywhere but okay, not everone cares enough to read firsthand instead of guessing wrong but tell others, happens); you didn’t even do the simplest fact-checking on a bunch of topics this time, to the point that mislead turn into straight lie (search info about arcade release of MB and problems with that and if possible taking into account the specifics of time when GG sell 15k to 50k copies so pc release dosen't guarantees at least the absence of losses; from a video you may think that MB re releases all about profiting from new patches - it is true for some games ofc, not MB case; and CL-R is the dumbest example bc patch to it is free, also can buy character only, and the full new copy gives only a bunch of dlc like colors - you can't check even that or just don't care, huh) Yeah, okay, bye forever
The dlc being free has definitely given me reason to come back to the game from time to time, though I have yet to find a reason to really stick with the game.
Here's some good reasons coming from someone who's stuck with the game: Very freeform, non-restrictive movement. The easier combos are decently serviceable, while the difficult combos are both very rewarding and satisfying. The system mechanics add a lot of layers to both offense and defense that allows you to think more critically about your choices.
@@ThatGuy-en2nn I main Ryougi in Actress Again so it was pretty disappointing to not see her in Type Lumina even though she isn't part of the characters that will be released when the Tsukihime visual novel is complete. Currently I am maining Saber until we get Ryougi again.
This doesn't even cover all of the free music, the god tier update that added almost everything the community wanted, and the free singleplayer updates as well. These devs are amazing. Type Lumina is the best big fighting game right now.
What's even more neat about these free MB:TL DLC characters is that they automatically get updated alongside the game's overall updates. Cause, usually, on the rare occasions other FGs give out "free content" to keep, you still have to visit the game's store page to add it to your "owned" item list. But with MB:TL, their characters aren't even an option to select from the online store page. Instead, you're basically GUARANTEED to get these characters added to your copy of the game when they drop alongside any major update for MB:TL
French Bread don't make Fate!! Tsukihime and Fate are owned and created by Type Moon. TM contracts French Bread to make the Melty Games, not unlike Dragon Ball FighterZ being made by Arc Sys. They might be getting additional funding from Type Moon, but I think the overwhelming community response after Neco arc dropped is a contributor as well.
I can't even blame them TBH. They added 1 of the most random Fate characters to the roster over the literal main character of Melty Blood. Dantes at least has SOME history with Rao. But Ushiwakamaru? What's was the logic there? And I'm saying this as someone who preffers Fate over Tuskihime. I mean sure free content. But it could have also been better free content.
Is it "specifically wanted." If they're never going to play that "free content" free is great sure but time is vital, we have to wait for GOD how many month for them to finally add more og character to the game?
@@Magnet_Chaos I know I'm 2 months late, but Ushi literally won the popularity contest for who do you want added at n°1, so yeah, that's the reason... Don't forget that Melty Blood is niche, FGO fans is the actual public that makes the most noise
Crazy thing is that before this video basically all the discourse around MB:TL DLC was people being pissed at them releasing FGO characters instead of tsukihime/MB characters. Now i thought that shit was kind of dumb when I first saw it, but now I find out they were complaining about free characters?! some people are just beyond help. I dropped the game during launch cause of the netcode issues but you've definitely convinced me to give the game a proper shot
In their defense, Ushi & Dantes were the 2nd & 3rd FGO characters released in a row after Mash, and Saber is already part of the game at launch. That makes a total of *4* Fate servants in a game that's supposed to be about Tsukihime. So the salt is a bit justified if you're invested as a Type-Moon fan. Doesn't help that there's no legacy character to help draw hype like in the previous batches (Aoko, P.Ciel & obviously, Neco)
They really wanted the Legacy Characters since Aoko and Neco Arc are the two big factors that revived Type Lumina for awhile. Especially Neco Arc, people just bought the game for Neco Arc along and they even had a tournament JUST FOR NECO ARC alone. Only Neco Arc had her own tournament in Type Lumina as of right now.
Just gonna say this out right now, but remember: Type Lumina is a companion game for a visual novel remake with only 1/3 of its routes out at the moment, with several legacy characters held back as to avoid prematurely spoiling said routes and not to mention characters tied to the Tatari plotline (Sion, the main heroine of that was outright deconfirmed when TL was first revealed), which does carries some hopeful implications in the long run. As far as expanded media is concerned, only Kagetsu Tohya is free game (if Kouma is of any indication). ...and begging for Ryougi is just a meme at this point.
It would be amazing if more companies took the "we have a product that generates so much passive income that it doesn't even matter if anything else we make is profitable so we don't need to take every monetization opportunity in our other products" approach. I don't think literally any other company has done that.
Meltyblood is just advertisement for the Tsukihime Remakes and is clearly Typemoon trying to build Tsukihime to be a massive media brand like Fate. Therefore not making money on the dlc is no problem.
yeah they are all about the multimedia. Type lumina was announced a few months after the remake reveal and was released a month after tsukire and inmediatly announced a spin off anthology manga, a fuck ton of merchandingsing, with the addition of Mash in melty they added Arcueid in FGO to promote the series more, the aoko reveal was tied with the announcement of witch on the holy night port that ended up having global release and we have a movie for it at the end of 2023.
What I'd like would to at least have the DLC characters free to mess around on training mode. I think that would be nice for 2 reasons, 1) You could figure out their move set, see if you enjoy their gameplay and help you do a more informed decission on buying it or not and 2) would give people that didn't pay for the character a way to lab stuff against then without the need to burning money just to have access to them for that reason.... as someone who's broke I'd appreciate that.
My big problem with DLC characters in fighting games is just how expensive they are. When you pay $60 for Kof XV, you get a whopping 39 characters. Pay another $60 and you only get 12 more. Omega rugal and a couple other things being free was really cool of them, but Imma wait for a 75% off sale on the DLC myself. Also, way more games need to let you use DLC characters for free in training mode. It helps out the publishers since it means more people get interested in the characters enough to buy them.
"Free DLC? How are they making a profit?" FGO (The most successful and profitable gacha game ever to be made literally twice because of NA/JP releases being separate): Greetings mortal
"The season pass is what fighting games at large have decided on" Uh, excuse you, Multiversus is actually using a free-to-play battle pass system where each individual character *at launch* is like $5, where you have to grind for not only FOMO skins, but voice packs, profile icons, taunts, and a bunch of other shit that no one cares about in the first place, let alone things that should cost money, all so you can brag about spending more time and money on the game where Garnet is white and the Iron Giant is punching a Rickenmorty in the face! ...oh you said "fighting game," not "ugly piece of shit gambling game" my bad
@@gregvs.theworld451 this is the least reported on issue with the game. Garnet on the red team or whatever, the default costume when assigned red colors by the game, is whitewashed. Video Games Chronicle showed it once, but ive seen virtually no buzz about this trash heap making one of the most well known black cartoon characters ever white for no reason legit think VGC is the only website that shows this, cannot find a single other image of it outside of live footage. maybe they patched it out but i doubt it lmao, ive seen virtually no one even notice. Cannot stress enough for those who havent seen tho, they make her Caucasian. This is not a slightly paler palette, they color picked an egg for this poor girl
there is some misinfo here. They never said they were limited time. It was misinterpretation from "Free dlc decision" that was just bad translaation of "We decided to make the characters free".
Heads up about the UNICLR update, they actually released it for free, automatically updating all copies of UNIST (the previous version of the game) and all future versions. It was only londrekia (the new character) that you had to buy. IIRC, even on PS4, instead of saying UNICLR on the home icon it still says UNIST, at least last time I checked on my PS4.
I also don't get the segment about previous MB games being re-releases like SF. Some of them are, but the original and Re-Act have the branching story mode, while Act Cadenza has tag team and 2v2 modes absent from other versions.
0:11 for those questioning this, click the read more button but I will say TRIGGER WARNING FOR RAPE AND CHILD ABUSE. So Kohaku and Hisui initially had each others personalities with Kohaku being the silent one and Hisui being the energetic one. This is because their family had this ability to give each other energy and Makihasa Tohno (Shiki and Akiha’s dad) needed to keep control of his body because reasons I won’t go into and abused this by raping Kohaku as a child since apparently sex was the strongest method of energy transfer. Eventually, she got more freedom and stopped getting raped, but had to take care of SHIKI (spelled with Kanji in JP, spelled with all caps in English, different from the Shiki we normally know) who was imprisoned for reasons I won’t get into. However SHIKI needed to keep his body under composure for the same reasons as his dad, so he also ended up raping Kohaku. Kohaku after having enough ended up drugging and brainwashing SHIKI so she wouldn’t get raped anymore. Akiha and Hisui later learn of what happened to Kohaku and she gets turned into a regular maid instead of basically a sex slave by Akiha and Hisui says that she will “take on her role” of being the silent one so Kohaku can at least try to be happy So TL:DR, Kohaku got raped by 2 different people as a child and Hisui said “hey I’ll be the sad one so you can try to be happy for once”
DA Noelle is in the game because Melty blood is advertisment for the Tsukihime Remake. She looks like that because when Noelle became a vampire she reverted to a physical age when she was last truly happy which if you know Noelle's back story she hasn't been happy in a long time. Note apparently her design was instructed to look like she is in the wrong place at the wrong time which is why her design stands out (for better or for worse) among the rest of the characters. So yeah if her design feels weird or cringe, mission accomplished.
Also. Trap setting is fun, her combos have fun tempo shifts, and I very rarely have to worry about my magic gaudge because most of the time the optimal use is ending a combo with 214C and committing Okizeme war crimes.
I still have hope that the remake will get that english translation and release here in the west. Otherwise the original with the english fan translation is really damn good. Honestly all of Tsukihime is just really damn good. Visual Novels don't really get me but I could spend days purely reading this though.
Skullgirls actually had a similar "dlc" cycle back in the day where the new character would be free for a month, and then you'd have to pay for them after that initial month
i see that the game is on 50% sale rn and im interested to buy it but im afraid as a steam EU player i won't be able to really find matches outside of discord. are there any non-god rank players left? game looks super cool tho especially the dracula guy
wake up babe Gekko dropped a Melty video ah don't you just love seeing someone react to Nasuverse lore? It's truly beautiful without how much this drives someone insane. Gotta also remember besides the F/GO money, the game sold a lot more than expected at launch, and French Bread has like, 20 employees so they don't really have that many people to give salaries to.
The thing is, this is probably the better long-term business move, too. Fighting games have a lot of room grow, and even if there's a limit on how much they reasonably could, lowering the barrier to entry and the roadblocks to sticking with it can help maintain an active community which drives more sales, and fosters customer loyalty in the long run. And like, not even by using the really scummy tactics corporations love to use nowadays; just by being like... genuinely cool. Like, I have plenty of criticisms of how money-hungry corporations are, but the thing that kills me is, there *are* ways to be just as, if not *more* profitable long-term that involve like... doing right by your customers... and they almost *never, fucking, do it.* Opting instead to throw consumers into the woodchipper for fast cash. And then wonder gormlessly why anyone would think they should all be fucking hanged.
It probably is, but unfortunately with the bigger companies a lot of the incentive is to keep stock valuations high, and apparently the pattern is (or at least was, finance seems to move real fast) to drop a company's stock as soon as its rise stops accelerating. That is, not when it starts to go down, but when it stops going up as quickly as it had been, which means every publicly traded company is very incentivized to think short term because otherwise their investors will sell, removing the company's ability to raise funds through stock sales (due to the lower price for it, on account of the selling) and making it vulnerable to another company buying it outright because its stock is now pennies on the dollar, meaning they have much less of a long term to even consider.
I think the idea that a money grabber being used to fund another game was the entire reason gacha was even defended in the first place. Its become sadly common for games(or any media for that matter) to be vehicles to fund themselves and grow the company alone rather than diverse experiences able to support each other and still make a profit. Seeing melty blood as an actual example of this gives me hope that Project Moon does the same thing and doesn't get swallowed into the abyss after experiencing the temptation.
The thing is that this should be a standard thing with all full priced games, its quite sad that we have all grown normalized to full priced games charging us more money to buy a character.
@@SaltySynapse so you're saying is you don't want fighting games to come up with additional characters and you also think that updates take additional development time
Actually... no offence, @GekkoSquirrel... but this video is a lie. Let me explain.... First, let's be real about what this game IS. It's a pretty sweaty fan service game. Not in the "sex sells" department, not much anyway.... but in the "'Everyone' in here, let brawl" department. Melty Blood has always had this self-referential spirit to it and BOY is that polished here. I mean Ushi is in a body suit, Nero Chaos is GONE? Mashu in in the game, Saber is here, Red Arc is in the "Duster", FGO looms in the background of the character select screen, Every single character has a reference to it's NasuVerse source material to some degree (at times down to the fame). Yeah.... it's alot of service for the person that consumes all things Nasuverse, especially Tsukihime but clearly not limited to that. It's one of several reasons that it rather niche. Second... Look, this game has to make dosh at some point and the cold reality is that a $60-70 game that tends to be put to firesale A LOT (outside of the seasonal sales, FB tend to put the game to sale in and around a IRL Major tournaments), that is just not enough. Last that I was told, about 3-4 years ago, FB was a 70-person outfit.... that is 70 people whom are on that payroll, whom have lives outside of coding the next game. A number that is likely higher in 2023. Yeah, that isn't enough but to add to that tension is us. The Melty community is simply not going to stand for a game that charges players for the characters that they might like. Outside of Melty this tends to be frown upon (yet we put up with it), but Melty? The community cracked the game.... when they didn't have access to it, when it was not up to our standards.... I think that FB was well aware of what would happen if they tried to do that. Third, and let me be extremely clear here..... French Bread doesn't *MAKE* Fate/Grand Order. They have never been involved with that project, the only thing that Melty Blood Type Lumina and FGO share is a publisher: Lasengle (formally DelightWorks) and that is likely for the rights to the NasuVerse characters which Lasengle has from TypeMoon. That said, don't assume that FB has access to the money that FGO makes because again, they were NEVER involved. So the money that Type Lumina makes has to be it's own. So, if they are not charging for the characters, they have to make some dosh to keep the lights on, their are no real bail outs, with a fanbase that WILL consume fan service: How does Type Lumina make it's money? By charging you real money for EVERYTHING ELSE. Want to change the announcers to your favourite character? Take out that Credit Card. Want a photo gallery of the game? Got paypal? Now to be fair to FB, they are not charging you for absolutely everything... They easily could have locked it's unlockables behind a paywall, but didn't. And I can make a guess to why.... the community would not stand for it if they did and I have seen others try, it doesn't go over well (Modern GundamVS game ports are REALLY bad for this and without that franchise behind it, I doubt they would get away with it or StreetFighter X Tekken.... remember that one?). That said, note that the things they are selling.... fan service. They are not the only ones to do it, BlazBlue is the first that I have seen with this tend (which happens to a lot of ASW/Team Red games as of late) and far from the last. If I am to make a guess, anything outside of a story mode that is just fluff that makes the heart grow fonder with the characters or the game itself? I bet you they will charge for it. Is Type Lumina a good deal, yeah... it is. Because if you don't really care for the above (and most Fighting game players don't), then you get all the things that you care about for $70, maximum but the truth is that I can't say that this is the best thing since sliced bread. Type Lumina has to make it's money and if I am to be honest here, it a little sad that being the causual fan is more demanding that one become the whaled super-fan. Type Lumina isn't changing any of that, personally it's ok... I don't need the photo galery, and voices would be nice but I KNOW alot of work is put into that and $3 for what I want isn't much but as this game grows, this is going to get worse. The thing that Melty Players are going to have to confide about is that if we want to stop the bathroom jokes, it can't just be us.... the things that I am bugging about aren't for a player like me, it's fan service for the casual player and we could always use more players.
"omg they give new characters for free" when it's a full priced competitive game just shows how HORRIBLE the monetization is. The fighting game monetization is absolutely DOGSHIT compared to any other competitive game genre. Can't wait for riot to come out with a F2P huge game and be more profitable than the top 5 fighting games combined.
yeah characters shouldnt be a paywall it makes competitive play better , its like soulcalbur banned characters that were only playable by certain machines, it feels the same with dlc characters and just unfair.
I might be misremembering but I kinda remember Kamone just saying that the game blew past all expectations so far that they could finance the DLC and give it for free. It was on the Steam front page when it came out.
Technically SFV let you unlock characters using in game currency. At first getting the currency was so easy and fast the first 6 characters might as well have bean free. Or if you actually bought the first character pass the second one would be free. (I managed to get the first 2 character passes for free and latter also unlocked Kage and Seth for free). Eventually capcom nerfed how much in game currency you could get but at the same time made the game quite cheap to get over time.
The cheerful one, Kohaku, was subject to the r word repeatedly by the former head of the Tohno family when she was really young. When Hisui found out they essentially switched swapped personalities out of depression.
In addition, I think they went on record to say the game performed well beyond expectations sales-wise and the free content is sort of a "thank you" to the community
So basically when the maid were children a wealthy man known as makihisa tohno adopted them because the tohnos are actually demons that invert and go crazy and the maid have this ability where when they have sex with someone they heal them so one of the maids was force to use this power when she was five which cause her to become sad but her sister never had to use her power and swapped personalities because the protagonist left because he got killed by his brother
ARMS is another game that added five characters and stages completely for free. Apparently the game had a patch as recently as November of 2022, which seemed to be only fixing stability issues and had no balance changes or content added, but it proves that someone at Nintendo is still paying attention to the game. As a reminder, this game was released three months after the Switch came out. More on-topic, I've actually seen many negative comments in light of the recent two characters being Fate ones rather than being from Tsukihime. I bought the game because Mash was added, so you can probably guess where I fall on that divide.
Dota 2 releases new characters for free. Overwatch did it... until Overwatch 2... kinda not sure how that one works. Apex Legends kinda does but it depends on if you count "around 40h worth of in game currency (or use money)" as free or not. Warframe it's similar where it's usually behind "farm the new content that we also just added (or pay to skip)". Bloons Tower Defense 6 lets you get new (and old) heroes with in game currency that's very easy to get. I could also technically count Genshin Impact cause you can get enough f2p premium currency to get new characters, but unlike those other f2p title where it's "money or grind" the characters release much faster than you can f2p grind them for. Ok I don't have a point I just wanted to see how many "games that give new characters for free" I could find. But even then, if you don't count "requires grinding some currency" as "free" (since that's a time cost), then I just have Dota 2. Those are 100% free, and similarly Valve is surfing on big Steam money (and all the cosmetic lootboxes they sell).
0:10 Idk about the remake, but from what I know, Tuskihimie wasn't all that big in Japan back in the day. If anything, Melty Blood was the more popular game back in the early 00's.
The only other game I have seen do this is UNIST when it upgraded to UNICLR. Free moves and a balance update, the new character did cost money tho. FrenchBread also made that game too haha.
you forgot one thing about the fate money. And that is the fact that the Player counts after the last 3 characters did rise quite a bit. yeah it dropped down again.... But I strongly believe that if they add MORE FGO waifus that they sell games the moment a favorite waifu get's added. No... I would not buy type lumina if they add Nobunaga... NO... (pls Nobunaga next)
Free characters post-release is certainly rare. I think I can only come up with two other examples when it comes to big series, with KoF XV adding Rugal (and soon Gönitz), then there was SSBU that put Piranha Plant in there. But yeah, pretty rare. Maybe Multiversus sort of counts, but that game is F2P to begin with. I don't remember what the new characters cost in that recent Nickelodeon platform fighter, possibly nothing as well.
I think this video is a bit misleading as it isn't French Bread who made the DLC free, but Type Moon. If you look at the info that comes from the devs, the roster, and the story, it becomes very clear that the DLC decisions are up to Type Moon but the game play aspects of said characters are French Bread's work.
After finally reading the fan translation patch to Tsukihime, I now now why DA (Dead Apostle) Noel is a child. She was changed into a vampire and chose the form when she was last happy, as a child before her entire town was fed upon.
I LOVE this game, though the recent dlc update has done something to make loadtimes before matches 100x longer, and I just went back to mbaacc. I hope that this problem is fixed soon.
@@nouvelle147 Man there's a difference between 'media with dark elements' and the level that Tsukihime goes to. Dark elements is like Tanya and Re:Zero, this is a bit beyond that.
@@emeraldmann1329 Geniunely not. There are TONS of media that explore even darker themes, Tsukihime is pretty optimistic when it comes to it's darker elements, always having that hopeful "Light at the end of the tunnel" feel. Just hearing about the backstory might be shocking for people, but I wouldn't say it's over the top or anything
shout out to snk for making the first samsho season pass free for a little while and then making rugal free in kof15 but anti-shout out to their two 30 dollar kof season passes. nobody wanted Billy
I know that Skullgirls has done the limited time free charatcers thing in the past. But they've also allowed players to test charatcers while still in development! As in, some of the charatcer's animations were still just sketches kind of unfinished. But it's super cool to see how these charatcers develop over time and take player feedback as well!
