What if he comes back to life, stays exactly the same but uses his death as a legal loophole to leave the Night's Watch, becomes king, and has intense boat seggs? That would be really cool and based I think
@@leandrocastello309while I get the sentiment because sometimes I do see lotr fans throw unnecessary shade in these spaces, the post seemed like a harmless joke
The resurrected Jon will vigorously pursue his vendetta against his most hated rival and orchestrate the death of Myrcella Baratheon. After everything, he still hates that kid’s guts. Everything else is secondary.
Do u really think Martin is gonna miss the chance to have a Jon chapter as he is in ghost called the ghost. He could be viewing what is happening around the walls pov. It makes so much sense that Jon's ghost will go into ghost
Arya? She loved her father, her mother, and Jon most of all. Ned? Betrayed. She watched him lose his head. Catelyn? Betrayed. Arya refused to let her mother go, too. Enter Lady Stoneheart. Jon? *Betrayed?* Winter’s coming, sure, and Azor Ahai’s gotta rise, right? But with all these Lord of Light fanatics around the Wall… well, that’s what the show ran with. Me? Still not convinced.
I really think that Catelyn lost her mind BEFORE she died. In her final chapter, she describes crows flying in her face and clawing deep gashes in her cheeks, which we later learn from Merrett Frey's epilogue were made with her own fingernails. It wasn't resurrection that drove her crazy, it was seeing her son murdered in front of her.
That’s a great point and I agree, but I still think death calcified that change in a real way. I imagine Jon would’ve felt the same if he’d realized what was happening for more than his final seconds, and I think he’ll carry that with him once he’s back.
@@theopenmouth9695 I've got a Game Of Thrones shirt the a wee bit older than my oldest niece. It bugs her teenage ass so much when I remind her that she's not so grown up - I'm wearing a t shirt older than she is!
He could remain a pov, because his soul would remain safe in Ghost until his resurrection. He would still change, probably will be more wolf like, but I expect he will be more "whole" compared to other undead.
Can you make a video about Jon's popularity outside of the wall in the books wiki he's mentioned in the vale and bravos how likely is it that people will believe that he's actually resurrected and not believe that he just left with the support of the more numerous wildlings and he just made up the whole getting killed and resurrected thing
Now that the Stark Kids are all covered, I think Jon would work as a great transition from the Starks to the Targaryens, which makes Daenerys my personal suggestion for the next video. Well, either her or Young Griff but I don't know if you plan on wrapping up all the POV characters first.
A bastard of House Targaryen whose mother comes from a house that worships the old gods and who becomes the Lord Commander of the Night's Watch? Welcome back, Lord Bloodraven. Resurrected Jon will erase all the "Arryn morals" that guided his journey so far. Sadly, Ghost's sacrifice represents this moment.
Ghost doesn't have much use beyond resurrecting Jon and I think it's fitting for them to merge essentially, it's better than dying to wights or something else.
I've my own theory about the tareryans. Jon and Aegon are both legit targaryens. Dany will know this and pull an Aegon the Conquerer, marrying both. Dany would have 2 brother-husbands -sponsored by shade of the evening
there will some events between rickon and jon and there supporters .. and i think that rickon direwwolf will fight ramsay's dogs not ghost .. or maybe both of them
I do wonder how Varys will die in the book will he be burned by danys dragon if she does burn Aegon and kings landing in a war or killed by Jon C cause Varys discovers his secret I don't see him surviving winds
I disagree with the "My watch has ended" part. I'm inclined to believe that the watch is made to serve even after death, and the text shows that a lot. Plus if he gets into the "politics" of the Kingdom/North, there is the chance that he doesn't focus on the Other's threat as he should, focused on his thoughts on duty even stronger now, considering that he probably will come back as a "fire" undead like Beric & Cat.
I'm hoping that there is no romance between Jon and Dany, the possibility of them marrying undermines the political ramifications of his reveal as a Targ and heir to the throne. I'd much prefer him stealing Val, potentially uniting the Wildlings with the North.
Ghost will die and Jon won't be a pov point anymore. Those two sound too good not to be true. I can imagine him having Ghost chapters in the middle of the book and being only raised from the dead well into the middle of the book. Also that would be preferable to the treatment the show did to the dogs. Also Nymeria and ghost meeting up would be nice
The only other warg that we have had as a POV that dead was in the prologue of ADWD and we saw a little bit of his second life. We could get a chapter of John in Ghost
Am I the only one who has always been irritated by the fact that Jon Snow did little to nothing to convince the members of the Night’s Watch that every soul passing through the wall is a soldier less for the WW? He always thinks about it but hardly says it to someone. For me, that has always been the biggest flaw in all of the five books. Therefore I wouldn‘t go so far as to say Jon Snow isn‘t a talented politician but an average one. Opinions?
I mean he did say that in the show I don't know about the books but I don't think saying this would convince the nights watch the situation pretty much is really complicated but he does have a problem of miscommunication
@@shantanutoraskar428 Well, thinking about it is even worse than not even trying. Somehow GRRM needed the mutiny and therefore Jon acted very unwise which did feel out of place, at least for me. Like in all the latest chapters I always thought "Jesus Christ - just tell them please. Just explain to them why the wildlings need to pass in a way that they understand. Not out of love but out of duty." He utterly failed at that and it felt fabricated. Still awesome to read tough.
The fandom seems really certain Stannis will win in the north. Stannis would never allow another king in the realm. For Jon to be Robb’s heir and king in the north, Stannis has to die. Stannis will never reach winterfell, he may defeat part of the boltons army but he will die in the battle.
Stannis wont solve the northern storyline imo. Especially since it’s confirmed he burns Shireen. I think he wins the battle of ice but it might be a Pyrrhic victory or it doesn’t go completely to plan. Or the Northern lords are just using Stannis to get rid of the Bolton’s and once brother of them are disposed of they’ll initiate a Stark restoration.
@@Deadj90 I find it unlikely that Stannis will take out both Roose and Ramsay and then be taken down by colluding northern lords when he essentially delivered them from their enemies. I’m not certain he will give a direct order to burn shireen in person, (If this order does occur), especially when they are so far away currently. Anything that isn’t in a published book isn’t canon. Perhaps he burns shireen after the first round of fighting, I just don’t see him defeating the boltons at the moment.
I would love Jon’s first TWOW pov to be “The White Wolf” or something where we get an entire chapter written in the style of the other direwolf pov sections”
Characters that can be easily linked to Jon: Melisandre: Also at the wall, and from her you could do Davos and then the rest of the POVs relating to the Five Kings, i.e Brienne or the Greyjoys Theon: Familial connection. After him you could do Asha and Aeron, then finish the greyjoys with Victarion so you can move into the essos plotline: Dany, Barristan, then JonCon. After JonCon you can connect to Arianne because her plot is also focused on the battle of steel right now. After her we move down to Dorne with Areo Hotah. Samwell: Close friend of Jon. After him you could do Aeron and the Greyjoys, finishing with Victarion and doing the order listed above. Daenerys: Familial connection. After her you could do Essos then battle of steel and Dorne.
I think Jon is Comatose, it would be a lot more fitting for him after his Fall from Grace at the Foot of a Tower to mirror Bran. And So far I think Jon will never meet the Dragons, mostly because we have a small Chance of getting TWOW, but ADOS ... Martin is 76, Let's be realistic the possibility gets smaller every Year.
Jon is going to be Lord Commander of the Night's Watch again. He's the 998th Lord Commander. There's no way that GRRM is not going to have Jon kill the mutineers' new LC and become the 1000th and final LC of the Night's Watch. That set up is very clearly being telegraphed.
Your bringing up of Robb's will made me think about how it places Jon ahead of the trueborn Sansa in the Stark succession, and now I'm wondering if we'll see a sort of icy version of Dance of the Dragons to reflect the fiery one we're likely to see between Dany and Aegon. Looking at the succession crises in Fire and Blood, GRRM definitely peppers in nuance on both sides but it does seem like he'd want to address how succession being mostly but not definitively tied to gender keeps leading to these big intra-familial wars, so you'd think he'd want to settle the issue by levelling the playing field for both genders, but it'd be complicated to make that happen when our main character Jon stands in the way of not one but two lawful female heirs in Daenerys and Sansa.
theory: jon will warg into ghost, then ghost-jon will high tail it to winterfell to attack ramsey snow. perhaps right as ghost-jon is fighting ramsey's hounds, jon's soul will be ripped from the wolf and deposited back in his recently thawed corpse...
Beric and Cats ressurection is different. Their soul did not warg into any animal and that is an indication that it went to the afterlife or into nothing (whetever they got in Westeros). Jons soul most likely went into Ghost, therefore he does not necessarliy have to be so messed up like Stonehearth.
I'm not sure we'll see Jon's resurrection directly. I think the coolest option is this: Either a good chunk of the way through the book, or as a prologue or epilogue, we get the POV of someone who knows Ramsay escaped from Winterfell with the remaining Bolton army but has not yet arrived at the Dreadfort, and everyone wonders what happened. Then that same POV chapter sees a surprise attack launched by an unknown party. This character witnesses northmen disguised as trees and shrieking wildlings and a deathly white figure with white hair and the scars of mortal wounds and red eyes. Then later we get either a Jon POV or one close to him, where the character reflects back on the resurrection. George loves revealing big plot points in this hindsight sort of way, and it would create a really interesting tension for readers to be surprised with this sudden appearance of Jon as almost a vengeful ghost.
While not directly related, I think the whole "King's Blood" thing is mostly crap. It's more about the caster's belief that it makes a difference. After all, did Aegon's or Robert's blood change when they conquered the nation? Did declaring himself king change Robb's blood? Did the Starks, Lannisters, etc stop having King's Blood on the day the bent the knee?
What if we get a Ghost POV chapter, as Melissandre and others are discussing sacrificing him to resurrect Jon, and there's an internal struggle between the Jon conscience refusing, and the Ghost conscience being willing.
Something that I think everybody misses about all of the raised dead in the series is the religious roles they serve. Beric effectively becomes an avatar of R'hllor, Lady Stoneheart dresses like one of the silent sisters and becomes an agent of the Stranger, the wights are the slaves of the Others aka the cold gods, and Coldhands serves the CotF. Jon will be an agent of the Old Gods, he'll hang the entrails of his enemies all over trees, hold tribunals before the heart trees, and kill those he declares guilty so the trees can drink their blood.
I mean, I really like these videos, but it kinda breaks my heart, that such a nice guy like you still has hope for WoW. You deserve better than George dude. Keep the videos coming tho
I really appreciate that on re-read you realize that Jon is technically (in this world's laws) in the wrong. He's broken several nights watch vows and is leading the "enemy" through the wall. (Keep in mind no one in living memory has ever seen a wight and thinks they're a myth) Then states he's going to abandon the nights watch. We love to defend Jon's POV. But that goes to how great George is and his core reason for writing "the human heart in conflict with itself" and these Jon chapters are George's best writing and examples of that. Along with Jaimie and JonConn
There’s too much things going on for Jon not to be a POV. Consider the conflict and inner turmoil after being betrayed by those he called his brothers and when he learns the truth about himself it’s going to flip his entire world. Knowing that the relationship between his parents incidentally led to the destruction of his family. It would honestly be a disservice to the readers for us not to know what he’s thinking
If George wants to be a mad man and be really bleak he could have Jon just stay dead (or atleast permanently stuck in ghost). This would lead to when it would be revealed that he’s rhaegar and lyannas son have him not be able to act and fulfill the prince that was promised prophecy and possibly dooming everyone to the others. Or if this leads to bran doing some shit with bloodraven leading to a different fallen timeline where shit goes south cuz it wasn’t done correctly.
Jon will probably spend a few chapters trapped in Ghost, and he will almost certainly be a POV character for one or two chapters. I suspect his resurrection will be tied to the Others, though. He will wake as a wight and then repossess himself.
I suspect that there's gonna be another person to be revived by Lord of Light if Jon Snow did ended up like Lady Stoneheart. Since Beric Dondarion died, we need another resurrected character that actually stayed good. Imagine if it's Robb Stark with wolf head.
Quinn, im loving this series so far. I would absolutely love you to do any of the Greyjoys, youre the one who put me onto Victarion being way more well rounded than i initially thought, but i would like one on Sansa as well. Keep up the good work ❤️
I don't want to push this to theory. It's just an open question. What if there is a balance within the themes and narratives? Dany is "of fire", few would argue she's not. What if, there is a character in the story that is an equal balance to that? Everyone can agree there should be a "fire" and that there is one, there should be a "ice/fire" and that there is. Why is it so great a challenge for theorists to see a hero of ice? Jon will end up in or on Ghost escaping north into the Haunted Forest eventually arriving at the Fist. Exactly how and why is debatable, but his journey needs to continue to be a parallel to Dany's. I don't want to bog this down in specific theory. Simply, for a moment consider there should and is a balance in the theme. What if it's Jon and how would that play out, assuming the ice element in the story is as grey as the fire?
I hope Alliser ends up an ally to him somehow. It just makes sense. A Targaryen loyalist who is staunch in supporting the rules of the night’s watch and values his orders over what he thinks is best for the night’s watch, and a secret targ who has been betrayed as the lord commander of the nights watch. If he’s still alive, I can’t see his return to the night’s watch going any other way than being vehemently anti mutineer and defending Jon’s right to defect once he comes back from the dead.
Jon is politically gifted as much as Ned, even less. I guess it right then since he is described as clone of Ned. Ned before battle with Jaime or around that time had vision of Jon and he loked just like him but younger. Aslo other characters say how much he resemble Ned
I am three moths older than AStorm of Swords, my second favourite ASoiaf book. We are really eight years older than book Jon. Jon is the reason I love a Storm and Jaime is the reason I love A feast. And the burns Jon serves 😂😂😂
o-the battle of the bastards in text? When Arya is in the Red Keep and sees the two men {who might be Varys and illyrio}? One of them says that the bastards are gathering. That battle is coming.
I agree that Jon will probably be resurrected, but from the moment he fell into the snow in Dance it occurred to me that leaving him there would be an absolute boss move for Martin to make.
Since Jon wargs into ghost when he dies doesn’t that mean his personality, mind or soul is essentially being preserved? So when he is brought back wouldn’t his personality remain unchanged, of course him being different makes for a more interesting plot point but his change being as drastic as some fans think seems unlikely
