The WITCH Is Finally CHANGING in Pathfinder 2e! 

Thats true. They make their own altar, knife, 2 wands, a chalice, and a pentacle for rituals. I've tried to use this as an idea for my own wiccan class a few times with various different uses of the items but haven't landed on something thats super compelling yet. I've also tried combining it with various related things like tarot, runes, and hypnotism while trying to stay away from the too common familiar-using witch that everyone makes.

A Sorcerous I made for a 5e campaign broke her crystal in half and put the two on her two daggers for just this reason. She could use either dagger as her focus for spells.

Omg that's amazing

AHHHHHHH! THAT'S FUCKING AWESOME!!!

***AND THEY STILL HAVE CACKLE, LOOKS LIKE SUSTAIN SPELLS ARE BACK ON THE GOD DAMN MENU!!!***

wizards go to college to get more knowledge, witches go to uh... uhhh

The shadow realm

@@emmettbrown3463 ... to Texas to get more hexes?

@@emerynoel567 that's a good one

Imagine if wizards started with school loans and witches could just ask their ismartpet.

Is the snail a good boy/girl? Or both (I'm pretty sure snails are both)

King Squidge Moco XIV is both! Now I know what your'e thinking, but King is their name, not their title.

@@jtrail6782 Go King Squidge Moco the 14th!

That's dark but funny

@@itsmefirefox Oh yeah, especially since my familiar is a floating Zombie head who didn't agree to be used as a conduit between my Witch and Dagon, lord of the depths. My DM recently said "I can't end the session before Maurice has been blown up."

I see no way this gets misused. Not a single way.

@@Decati132 😁

electric flying squirrel? Never knew Emolga was possible in PF2. The more you know.

Unless your familiar bursts into sphere of energy and blasts your enemies from afar. :D (the new Spirit Familiar/Stitched Familiar feats).

That's my problem with pretty much every caster, 1st level feats feel like they are only there so we can grumble about missing what should be baseline features when we aren't playing a human. Though a lot of classes have baseline features hidden in their feats, poor champ auras and advanced cleric domains.

fr though, I want to build a Psychic with the Witch archetype so bad but I'm so deadset on waiting for the remaster.

Well, the biggest flaw with the Witch hexes was the 1 hour immunity making you unable to use your main class function. Removing that hex immunity is a BIG boost in power. And even though it’s a familiar ability, the patron familiar ability NEEDS you to cast or sustain a hex. Essentially, you have permanent metamagic on your hexes. If you can’t tell, your HEXES are STILL your most important of your combat capabilities. **Depending on your patron** will determine how you’ll ALSO be using your familiar. Also, they said they’re boosting hex power. Wilding Word, for example, actually has a really strong effect, that just rarely was usable. Now? It’s actually pretty fricking awesome to use. I was able to ignore my familiar (Wilding Steward doesn’t have a strong familiar ability) and it felt very Witchy in terms of using hexes and spells to destroy an enemy.

Yes! I plan to cover all of the starfinder 2e classes!

I’ve tested some of the abilities since Paizo dropped Witch spoilers like candy: the Witch feels fun as fuck now. Just using the new familiar abilities, you feel you like you’re really doing something on the field. And all the patrons REALLY feel like distinct subclasses from each other. And you can just have fun with your builds. Faith’s Flamekeeper (Fervor) Witch I was able to build it as a blaster, as a gish, as a healer, and as a pet master. That tempHP every time you cast/sustain a hex is amazing presence. And Wilding Steward has a niche familiar ability and niche hex still, but if you want to a melee Witch, it’s pretty awesome at it especially because of those gishy Rage of Element spells. Like, I really think people are sleeping on these changes even though Paizo literally leaked out the pages for us to see.

I mean, the witch in the rulebook kind of has a Vulpix,if you think about it.

As far as I know, there will be the option of see the original but the remaster will appear first and you have to change it. Edit: You can see it when you open the Archives and scroll down.

Gandalf is 100% a Sorcerer, he's basically a celestial.

Oh, it’s absolutely still focused on debuffing. It’s just more versatile now. Curse (The Resentment) makes it easier to maintain other debuffs (such as Enfeebled, Stupefied, etc..) paired with a Bell Thaumaturge or a Redeemer Champion, enemies that get weak stay weak. Night (Starless Shadow) can easily keep a single enemy frightened (I’m sure Shroud of Night is getting buffed like they did to Wilding Word, which means it’s likely gonna be OP). Wild (Wilding Steward) constantly punishes the enemy that attacks you and if you make it difficult for them to target others, they’re just Sickened the entire time. Fate (Spinner of Threads) can swing an ally (or your own) attacks +2. The hexes ARE your most important tool, but you get more if you keep your familiar in play (except Wilding Steward, you can keep your familiar in the air on lookout). Edit: Don’t listen to any folks that tell you the class isn’t about hexing or debuffing and it’s just the familiar. Paizo improved BOTH familiars AND hexes. Get to witching!

I don't think Paizo is less concerned with sensitivity than WoTC?

Paizo worries about that kind of thing but not to the level of stupidity WOTC does. Not yet at least we'll see. @@onlynormalperson

​@@lindarkknight4044Yes. This.

@@lindarkknight4044if they go full WotC in that regard I’m sure it’ll hurt their bottom line. They know this and aren’t stupid. Hopefully.

Has witch ever been a thing in D&D?

It's a different flavor. Do you have a problem with the witch? It hasn't been the greatest, but it's clearly getting revamped. If it's just not your thing, that's fine, but no need to suggest that no one should take witch.

@amayasasaki2848 No, I have no problem with the witch class. It was just a thought that popped into my head as I listened to the video.

Shared HP probably, least thats how it was with an eidolon summoner someone uses in a game Im playing, effectively has two targets for 1 pool of hit die that arnt exactly tank numbers like you can get on an inventor construct or a familiar master minion

Witch is a full caster. Familiar is more about utility and support than damage. Just a class that offers more of a utility/support role than a melee damage roll. Plus quirky witch themes being built in are nice imo :3

@@RNJesusVtuber It’s thought, but it’s not a deep thought. Summoner is for a bounded caster with an alternate martial tank character. Witch is for a full caster with a utility pet. The familiar will NEVER be a combatant like an Animal Companion or an Eidolon. And I’ve tried with the Spirit Guide specific familiar. Way too time consuming action-wise and spell slot-wise that it’s pointless.

Nov 15th

Nope he has a video on his channel for it already 😁

It depends on how you view it. The original version of PF2 that you've purchased is still 100% playable. The new remaster will only be changing maybe 10-20% of the game to the point where the new books read exactly like the old ones. Also, all of the updated rules will be released to Archives of Nethys completely for free, meaning you will not have to purchase them to learn them. (2e.aonprd.com/)

The remaster was announced back in April, so there has been time to learn about it. And as NoNat pointed out, the actual rules are available for free, and any lore or other text that is not specifically changed in the remaster will still be valid.

Many self-sustaining entities use manifestations of their OWN magic…which are called familiars…

@@toodleselnoodos6738 Yes, and I feel that's what the current Pf2e rules around witches are like. As a Witch, I just don't want a familiar or at the very least for it to not be so central to the character. For quicker reference, I'm a fan of the Terry Pratchett style of witches which have very little focus on familiars and more of a focus with their interactions with others in the community nearby.

@@mrpiratedancer4rrr(Edit: Lol, I love familiars, but you’ve inspired me to make a bunch of non-familiar Remaster witch builds. Thanks!) I can understand that. My Witches are rarely built full caster, but more frontline-oriented. (I love the flavor and benefits of the familiars/patron which isn’t achievable just grabbing the archetype). Thankfully, there’s a lot ways to make melee witches achievable. If I can allay your fears: there’s a lot of fear-mongering I’ve seen on other platforms that Paizo is trying to stick it non-Familiar+Witch lovers. From the spoiled feats: the Witch retains ALL of the things they did before when Premaster familiars were mostly useless. And of the class feats: 5 of the feats are familiar related (Familiar’s Language, Enhanced Familiar, Spirit/Stitched Familiar, Patron’s Presence, and Patron’s Claim). That’s still not a lot. Want a non-familiar Witch? We still have Lessons. We have Ceremonial Knife. We have Cauldron/Double-Double. Witch’s Broom. Cackle. Coven Spell. Hex Focus. Metamagics. And even the patron familiar abilities? A lot of them are strong, but they’re also not game-breaking to use. Take the Primal Witches. Difficult terrain from Silence in Snow and imprecise scent/Point Out from Wilding Steward are going to be extremely useless effects in a lot of situation. Divine and Occult Witches have powerful buff/debuffs spell lists and solid hexes (that are now much MUCH better by simply removing the hex immunity). But their familiar abilities are just another good option on top of what you will be able to do. Paizo’s marketing is for familiars because a majority of us DO want the familiars to matter, because they didn’t before. But overall, they’ve improved the power of the Witch in all aspects (no more refocus limits, no more spell tradition proficiency limits, improving hexes, removing the immunity, those class feats, etc..) I think there’s a lot to be optimistic. (And I went and playtested the Wilding Steward Witch focusing on a familiar/no hexing and one hexing without a familiar in an Extreme fight. Both were amazingly good and fun.)

@@toodleselnoodos6738 Cool. Inspiring new characters is great. Great to hear it. I'm not saying they're trying to stick it to non-Familiar+Witch lovers. I just want some more love, at some point, the way the familiars did. I have just been trying to make witch characters for awhile now and keep struggling with the options available to get something I'm happy with and keep coming back to a wizard-alchemist feel when I'm wanting something with a little more "friendly intimidation" in the build instead of scientific researcher with no charisma build. Pushy granny offering enchanted muffins, pastries, and apples kind of thing. It feels like it's in there but it just never feels right. Then again, maybe I just need a few sessions and find it off the page in roleplay instead of in the mechanics. Pf2e generally is good at having the mechanics support that roleplay, so I'm just wondering if I've overlooked the feat and stats I'm looking for. I'm generally excited about any kind of witch revamp though. A lot of it feels like it's in the shadow of multiple other classes and I think anything to make them more distinct is good.

@@mrpiratedancer4rrr Ya, I hear you. Can I ask what are some non-familiar Witch concepts you’ve tried? I absolutely see how the Wizard/Alchemist feel comes up (Rune/Occult + Cauldron). I’ve made a Gladiator in which their story is that they’re a lousy combatant (weapon wise), but they always had mystical premonitions (Nudge Fate) where things fall in their favor. I got rid of the Familiar by giving it Tattoo Transformation, Cantrip Connection, Threat Display (tattoo helps the gladiator be more threatening). The patron overall was flavored out. Later abilities would be Touch Telepathy and some of the imprecise senses to represent the gladiator’s heightened senses. As they went adventuring, they dug deeper into that power. Wizard, Psychic, and Battle Oracle might’ve been better, but I prefer the Witch for some reason. Edit: I wonder if I’m the weird one because I never want to build a Witch as a grandmotherly hag, beautiful seductress, or eccentric old man hermit. I’ve made an outcast Druid who is a defender of nature, a religious follower who’s passion overflows into others doesn’t fit the Champion/Clerics in their order, and this gladiator character. Just for some reason, I just don’t want to make a Hag Witch, or the Scottish Dwarven Barbarian, or the elegant Elf Ranger, the secretly evil pauper Rogue, the Vanara Monk (Wu Kong). But a lot of folks around me do that. On a funny thing, apparently there’s a brand new Specific Familiar called the “Sweetened Beast” which creates a magic candy for for item bonus to deception/diplomacy/performance which really fits the candy witch from Hansel and Gretel.