The World is ENDING... Why Not Have KIDS!? 

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She is just upset that more and more people realize that the ability to give birth doesn't make anyone special

People are obsessed with our Ancestors! Like if we stop reproducing, it’s an insult to them! What?!

People like this just don't appreciate the seriousness and sheer extent of suffering. It's the opitime of selfishness to bring someone new here when there's already an unfathomable number of beings already in need of help. It seems so clear to me that having biological children is one big ego trip. If you MUST experience the role of a parent, adopt!

everyone that came before us was reckless so we should be reckless too? sorry my good woman thats not at all convincing

Making this about the environment is so myopic. It's like focusing on flat tyre while your engine is on fire.

“Honoring my ancestors” for me means not having children. My grandmothers never wanted children! They were domestic hostages.

also, she "thinks" weve easily got another generation to figure it out, based on what exactly?

She describes climate collapse as something to be “witnessed”, as if it’s some sort of backdrop set behind the play of humanity. As if climate chaos doesn’t mean starvation and massacres.

If you think her take on antinatalism is bad, just wait til you hear her takes on veganism... ;[

"Having kids is not just a personal decision, it can be judged morally" Yes "We are creating people for a future that can't be predicted" Yes "So that's why we should have children" WHAT?

The whole ancestor stuff just demonstrates what life is: A continuation of a sunk-cost fallacy.

What does the need for sleep tell us about awareness? That awareness itself is something we must constantly recover from to survive. Our very existence is a daily harm.

Love this debunk. Shes full of the same ole natalist propaganda.

“Closing your eyes and creating a child.” That’s literally what people used to say about the act of conception: “Close your eyes and think of Germany. Or the UK. Or humanity.” Insert your own tribe here.

Great video Lawrence, loved the editing on it btw. Regarding the original video, it's such a case of optimism bias, "oh things might be better in the future with a better system". It just strikes me as naive and irresponsible, ya know just like my parents were lol.

Pro natalists are so childish istg

Maybe I understood her wrongly but to me her points are all over the place. I think she is confused herself and is just repeating what she has read from books...

People in the comment section, I want to inform you that Leena Norms is Childfree by Choice. Just FYI in case it’s worth mentioning. (No, I’m not saying that I agree with some of her talking points. I think her talking points make absolutely no sense. Also, her talking points aren’t necessarily fixed. Maybe she’s just playing devils advocate).

Sounds like a typical parent - selfish and willfully irrational.

i made a comment under her video, i recommended david benatar's book to read, and shared the word antinatalism.

Witness the melting 😅 for what ? Smh

FFS I just watched a video about a mom birthing a kid who had Leukemia and died at the age of 5 after enduring 70+ operations. Guess what, that mom didn't even plan to have a kid, she didn't even think in any kind of detail about it, she just had a kid, "oh this is what having a kid is like? ok"

Love your stuff anton! You really are getting better at this

I talk about the environment a lot when I talk about antinatalism because I think it's so fucked up it doesn't matter to talk about antinatalism on a moral level. Because the situation is so dire with the climate crisis. It's just overthinking at that point, when you get into efilism

Thanks for commentary. I’m glad young ppl aren’t hvn kids like past generations. It isn’t bright just to do things bc it’s tradition. That’s a really lame reason to purposely create ppl who can suffer.

Great video, lawrence. Keep up the great work!

Brilliant video again Lawrence. I find it so depressing that most humans actually dont understand simple things perfectly explained to them, simply because they dont like what is real. Its like their braines just dont want to cope with some facts. People subconsciously pick a pleasant point of view and stick with that no matter what. And the smaller rational segment of the population doesnt procreate, so the future is just set in stone by those procreators. We will procreate until the Sun burns out, but I imagine that videos like this can change a few peoples minds.

I share your concern about focusing on the environmental impact of procreation, and it's a concern I have about too much emphasis on the environmental impact of animal agriculture as well - because it implies that if certain types of animal agriculture were less environmentally damaging than plant farming on average, it would be good. I also think it might encourage people to consume more fishes and chickens thus increasing farmed animal suffering.

Great video as always

Please read the Lierre Keith book and post a video about her book. . There are some RU-vid videos about her research and book. It would be great if you could interview her.

19:20 Amused by the absolute GALL she has to imply that those who choose not to have children are selfish while spinning herself dizzy doing the mental gymnastics to justify procreation.

Shes the type of person that you have to tape so she cannot turn you off in the middle of the act with all her absurd bullshit

10:53 I love your channel and your audience, I'm gonna comment on ALL your videos for years until I reach your level of subscribers.

Leena Norms had a great childfree video a few months ago that I wholeheartedly agreed with. I think she has been misinterpreted here, maybe? Her latest video confused me about what her stance was, at first, then I figured she was just doing a "Devil's Advocate" thinking-aloud video? Because I thought her stance was heavily CF and slightly AN (but she might not be aware of the AN movement?) Maybe this video needs to first be viewed through the lens that she IS actually childfree. I think she is trying to educate herself from both sides, which is really great actually, and more people should do that. The best thing to do would be to reach out and chat, find out where she is actually coming from.... though, I do agree, without context, it is kind of confusing what she is trying to say here.

This woman is a bit frustating to listen to. When she implied that she thinks it's dumb for people who choose not to have kids because the kids may not have a good life like the parents, I rolled my eyes. She's missing the point. No one has Any Idea how their childrens lives will be and they will eventually have to die. Some deaths are slow and painful, some are terrifying. She has no idea if these kids even want to exist in the first place. She's completely guessing if someone wants to be here or not. She thinks all kids who are brought into this world will be "okay" at the very least even if they don't have similar lives to their parents. This person doesn't give two fucks about the Rare People who come into this world with health problems like anxiety, schizophrenia, rare disorders like homocystinuria (the latter is something I likely have since I have a bent sternum and am neurodivergent) and a multitude of other health issues that people can be born with as well as get later on in their lives. Plus there's ptsd from toxic people and bad experiences that can cause our kids harm while living. She's clueless and it's a shame she doesn't take things like this into consideration, or if she did/does in the future, I can't help but think she's going to say... "Well, "X" is rare so it's not worth considering..."

We love you LA

I would say there is a great link between all optimists. Trump: america is great if only… Extinction rebellion: life on earth is great if only…. Palestinian/israeli parents…etc etc. life is great if only… What they ultimately have in common is their willingness and justifications for harming others to maintain their metaphysical illusions.

If you can - of cause, yes. Egoism and ruthlesness are virtues, not vices.

“Have children so that they can make the decision whether to continue your lineage.” In other words: Kick the can down the road.

yeahi guess extinction is better....

Yikes, this reeks of naivety

i think the woman wants to make sense but she keeps on reasoning stuff that goes against her argument... meh

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6:44 Let Lawrence cook!

Poignant way to end the video.

Great video Lawrence.

WHAT is wrong with her?

why are you deleting my comments?

I never forgave my parents for having me, after 40 years of miserable life where every day I'm reminded I'm not loved or needed. Because of them i'll have to live alone until I die, facing every day with the question "What am I waiting for". I think the world would be better place if only worthy parents would have children, so much of our current world's suffering and predicament is caused by people who had a bad childhood.

You know you live in a first world country when the environment is your biggest concern in regards to having a child.

I come to these comment sections to remind and motivate myself to clean up and start a family.

i think the asymmetry isn't logical like no pleasure is not bad to who? but still think some lives aren't worth living and i'm no longer an antinatalist but i'm neither a natalist i think both positions are illogical or irrational like it's pretty stupid to entertain the idea of having kids with cerebral palsy i think it would only be morally acceptable to have lives with no or at least ridiculously tolerable suffering to make life interresting but to be logical or rational and 100% moral we would need to have consent which is impossible so no life to be 100% logical or rational and moral.

1st nice

I support the anti-natalist position but I feel like it's still short-sighted in a way, how do you know you're not going to come back but as a different type of creature on another galaxy? We don't even know what consciousness is. If you were born then what's stopping that from happening again after you die?

Imagine thinking that the world is too harsh to have kids into when famines and diseases have all but been eradicated, and the end of the last major war(80 years ago) ushered in an unprecedented era of international cooperation and trade. Additionally, urban white people not having kids is immediately annuled by the hundreds of millions of Africans having 7-8 kids. If 'overpopulation' needs to be addresed, we should look at India and Africa, not Europe and the US. In fact, people of European descent should be having MORE kids to avoid going extinct.

I took a look at the anti-natalist handbook, and it's quite clear that the climate crisis is a only a minor footnote to these ideas. This is ultimately an ideology of nihilism. I wish you all the best with that 🫡