It is his worst flick yet I don't think he was the major problem with the movie I actually consider Arnold and who ever wrote the line about the bat credit card
@@Elvirabg Eh in that movie it's kinda the point, he doesn't know how to be Bruce Wayne yet and the movie is about learning that there's more ways to make Gotham a better place than just being vengeance, so I'd expect to see him be Bruce Wayne in sequels
Funny thing is that if you take the basis of the script, it's not that bad of a Batman story. The direction, casting and acting took everything to the next level of corkiness, but as you said, there's something good trying to emerge from all that garbage. The Alfred's sickness story arc and the redemption of Freeze at the end are good plot points. Even linking Poison Ivy and Bane through Jason Woodrue isn't a bad idea at all. But the way they handled it was terrible. It's all the studio's fault. They didn't give the movie enough time to be well made, rushing everything after Forever's success just to sell more toys.
I actually think Christian Bale had the most potential. Unlike Michael Keaton, who looked like a nerd but could be surprisingly butch, Bale was capable of being impossibly, handsomely manly AND could be the psychotic, inhuman thug Batman wants criminals to think he is. Unfortunately, Bale then went and leaned FAR too hard into the "psychotic" element. Ultimately, Keaton did it much better. Actually, one of the biggest missed casting opportunities in this film was a role most people would not consider because it was so minor: Julie Madison. Not unlike Clooney, Elle Macpherson is pretty much playing herself in BATMAN & ROBIN, and that's not the way it really should have gone. Anyone who's a diehard fan of Batman's entire history can tell you that Julie Madison is not, and never has been, a supermodel. She was, metaphorically, the original Vicki Vale, having preceded that character in the comics by several years. She was Bruce Wayne's very first love interest, before Selina Kyle and Talia al-Ghul and all the rest. She still occasionally appears in the comics to this day, and is depicted more or less as Bruce's ideal life partner if he could just stop being Batman. Julie deserves better than being depicted as just as another munchie in George Clooney's trick-or-treat pail of arm candy.
He was/is the perfect Bruce Wayne but unfortunately his Batman character fell short for a lot of people. Then again, that entire movie was dog sh💩t. Although I love watching it today. It’s corny in all the right ways lol.
I still feel that with a different director, different scripts, we could have had one of the best ever actors in the part. If I was a casting director at the time, I would also choose George Clooney!
Imagine if they had just kept this movie simple. Cut most of the cartoonish stuff out and kept it barebones. Alfred is sick and Nora is sick and we see how both Bruce and Victor go to desperate lengths to save those they love, the contrast and similarities between the two
Clooney's problem as Batman is two things. One is he was a big name the studio wanted to market. And because he didn't honestly want to be Batman so he didn't get what Bale got so right, Bruce Wayne is the mask Batman wears. He is the hero and is Bruce to throw people off.
While it’s more of a (brief) script praise, than his performance, Batman and Robin has one of the best lines in any Batman film. “Vengeance isn’t power, Anyone can take a life, but to give life. That’s true power, a power you once had. So Help me, Doctor, help me save a life.” In these four films, Batman himself has killed people, But this moment shows that he doesn’t simply want to defeat the enemy to show he’s better, But rather acknowledge, that he himself isn’t perfect, and his villains have the potential to be better than him.
“No one will feel sorry for a rich adult man who dates beautiful women.” I feel like George was bringing up some insecurities about his real life there.
It's too late now, but when you said that George Clooney was cast because he had a good chin, it made me think how fun it would have been to see Bruce Campbell as Batman. While he would obviously lean closer to West, I honestly think it could have been fascinating, like a live action version of Return of the Caped Crusaders with a little Three Stooges thrown in, and while he's not known for his dramatic acting, he can pull off moments of levity quite well when necessary.
yes sir. I was at a Toys-R-Us and saw this movie for sell and begged my mom to buy it instead of whatever toy i originally wanted. I went home and watched this movie back to back to back. Plus Batgirl
I remember hearing about Clooney's casting, after he had done 'From Dusk 'til Dawn'. I was so hyped.... until I heard the reviews. To this day, I have never watched this from beginning to end. I've only seen clips, and those are enough.
Clooney is a good “Bruce Wayne” as a persona. But I kinda want at least a short where Batman and Bruce Wayne are played by different actors. There are a couple of sequences featuring suit up or suit down, but it uses hidden cuts to hide the switch. At some point, Batman And Bruce Wayne need to be in the same room, so there is a third actor. There are a couple of this featuring a mirror where Bruce is getting ready tying a bowtie and the reflection is Batman attaching a cowl (or miming the bowtie hands). But anytime Batman passes or looks in a mirror, it’s just a reflection of Batman.
I don’t even remember the name of the woman he dates in this movie. I know Vicki Vale was in the first Burton movie. Selina Kyle was Batman Returns. Chase Maderian was Batman Forever. Who was the woman’s name in Batman and Robin?
Batman & Robin would have been a perfect chance to cast two seperate actors to play Bruce Wayne and Batman. George was a good Bruce Wayne, had the swagger of a multi-millionaire, if Val was up to it, he could have played Batman, he had the presence and attitude needed to be Batman in the mid 90's
I haven’t heard anyone mention that Uma Thurman’s Portrayal of Poison Ivy was so bad, it takes you completely out of the film, with her exaggerated May West impression… gawd awful stuff.
I seem to remember hearing on Entertainment Tonight (or something like that) that Joel Schumacher & the studio viewed the Batman franchise in the same way they did the James Bond franchise; wanting to change actors every few films & make a big Hollywood event out of announcing the next actor to portray Batman.
The problem was not the casting. The problem was the weak and campy scenario and the cartoonish vibe of the film. Worst batman film, although entertaining.
I will dispute Clooney being the worst Batman. The worst? Lewis Wilson from the 1943 serial. He made Clooney look like Kilmer. Robert Lowery from the 1949 Batman and Robin? Eh, I'd still place Clooney above him simply because of the production values.
12:24 he did not kill the penguin in batman returns, penguin launches a missile attack against himself after stealing the trigger. batman even warns him of the consequences with the glance while holding the trigger. that is straight darwinistic suicide
in all fairness, like you said, the writing was godawful & he did pretty well as bruce wayne (not to mention it's pretty hard to follow kilmer & most notably the keatman)
When this movie was released, Roger Ebert wrote in the Chicago Sun-Times that Batman, at least as a live-action movie character, is basically no different from Buzz Lightyear - just an action figure. I've even heard a joke about how the only "real" part of Batman you can ever see is his chin, so you can put ANY actor in the role and the costume will do all the work. The general consensus used to be that people went to these movies not to see Batman himself, but to see the villains. I never quite agreed with that belief. From the beginning, I always took it for granted that, even though the villains are the ones we wanted to see, Batman was the character we wanted to BE. How Batman is depicted is very important. I remember not enjoying THE LEGO BATMAN MOVIE much because I felt the story didn't show much respect to Batman, turning him into an insensitive jerk. Of course I understand that the movie was supposed to be for kids and was played for humor, but the creators also tried to have it both ways by introducing drama and pathos, so in the end they really had no excuse. That movie came dangerously close to making the Joker as sympathetic as Batman - and that, of course, is simply beyond the pale. In that light, do I think of George Clooney as the worst Batman? No, not necessarily. The potential for him to be great was always there. In his scenes with Michael Gough's Alfred, for example, Clooney came off more sympathetic than Michael Keaton or Val Kilmer ever did, and even rivaled Christian Bale in that department. This is a remarkable feat for an actor who was also a thoroughly unlikable scumbag criminal in FROM DUSK TILL DAWN. The real problem was with Akiva Goldsman's scerenplay, which was scattershot and misguided. I hate to say that, because, in the foreword Goldsman wrote to the collection of the official comic adaptations of all four original movies, he mentioned that he had loved Batman ever since he was a boy, and felt tremendously honored to be given the privilege to write for that hero. In an ideal world, Sam Hamm would have remained Batman's screenwriter throughout, and Tim Burton would have stayed on in at least a producer role. Warner Brothers achieved near-perfection in 1989, and they shouldn't have monkeyed with the formula.
Technically they said that two face actually didn't die at the end of forever,that's why in Batman and Robin you see two face's jacket at Arkham asylum
Interesting...George Clooney *did* bring out the _billionaire playboy'_ aspect of Bruce alone *in* his Bruce Wayne-only scenes here. So with that said, I for one _can_ *strangely* see him as Bruce Wayne ONLY...just not his Dark Knight alter ego.
That whole movie was horrible. It came out right at a perfect time for me. I was excited for new Batman but also could notice the glaring differences between Burton's work and the later two films. I mean BR had Alicia Silverstone. And her with, Clooney, and Chris O'Donnell made up some of the worst acting choices ever.
At the time, I thought I was just getting older and outgrowing superheroes. Batman forever was amazing in my mind. Then the next movie seemed so childish and dumb. Turns out it really was.
The scenes with Bruce and Alfred in this film are under-appreciated. Clooney would’ve been interesting in a darker and more serious take on Batman. This film is terrible but genuinely entertaining. Frankly I’d rather watch it than The Batman.
I remember him telling a story about how he held a dinner for Hillary Clinton some guy called him "you're nothing but corporate sell shrill" Cloony said "oh come on thats not fair" the guy replied "you sucked as Batman" clooneys response....."yea, ill give you that one" Hi, Im Clooney the worst Batman
I finally saw The Batman last night. Whilst it has its good parts, I had more fun watching Batman and Robin. For an objectively terrible film it sure is entertaining.
He is a pretty good Bruce don’t think he got any real direction from Batman & Robin though kinda feel bad for him. He probably didn’t even care about the role he was doing and did a quick job.
i completely agree with everything said on this video, except for one thing . . . harley quinn made bats laugh his ass off in tas in mad love. and it creeped me out as a kid. one thing is reading it . .. another one is hearing batman (rip k. conroy) doing it.
Nah, Clooney's not the worst, he's the only Batman to never kill anyone (West - Accidentaly killed a Penguin goon, Kilmer killed Two-Face, Bale killed Ra's, Pattinson hasn't killed yet but he totally tried to murder the Penguin in the Batmobile Chase). Plus i think the elimination of the 'Brooding' aspect works as it's like he's accepted his parents death and moved on because now he has a family of his own. Plus Clooney's Batman is no where near the worst character potrayal in Batman and Robin - see dumb angry grunt Bane and paper thin depth Poison Ivy, they near permanently damaged those character's public perception. Also the film is really funny if you watch it thinking that Batman hired George Clooney to play him whilst he was on a space mission with Reeves Superman or something, so it's just Clooney running about in Batman cosplay with no one acknowledging it. Also small note: Batman doesn't actually kill Penguin in Returns, Penguin dies due to being in a pool of toxic waste, which he himself had put there to kill Shreck.
This was the first movie I ever saw in theatre. I was 4 years old and already obsessed with Batman. My dad and I spent the weeks leading up to it collecting all the newspaper and magazine articles we could find on it, we bought the cereal boxes (okay, HE bought the cereal boxes, but I ate the cereal so that's gotta count for something!) with the cool 3d inserts. We made a pretty awesome scrapbook out of it all. I still have it to this day. So sure the movie might not be great but I don't care. The real movie was the scrapbooks we made along the way... or something. I still love it is what I'm trying to say.
George Clooney feels like he's phoning it in in this movie. It makes sense, as this whole script is a joke and all of the dialogue is terrible, but he feels super stiff and bored. He's still one of the best actors in the movie, but calling him better than Arnold Schwarzenegger and Chris O'Donnell isn't saying much of anything. The public persona Bruce Wayne is pretty good, but that's really just George Clooney being himself. The interpretation of Batman is one of the many, many things that's bad about this movie.
Batman & Robin was such an awful film that it literally KILLED the Batman Live-Action Movie Franchise for nearly a decade before it got revived by Nolan. It is kind of impressive.
I am not a George Clooney fan in general, but I give him a pass for his performance in Batman & Robin. It's clear that there were massive systemic problems at the studio level with the Schumacher Batman films. Professional actors have a sense of the script and a sense of the environment of the film they are making. Clooney probably knew this movie was a dud while he was filming it. Maybe he should have tried harder, but even an Oscar caliber performance from him could not have redeemed the rest of the movie. The problems with the Schumacher films fall squarely on the studio. The actors were just caught up in the vortex.
My son loves the film, and I hated it at the time, having seen it in the theater when it came out. Idk, time gives us perspective, the film wasn't made for me and in glad they went in a different direction, but I wish they had given George the chance to redeem himself to those of us who wanted him to be a little more like he was in From Dusk to Dawn, cause that would have been epic. Lol But, meh, my son enjoys it. Enough that I had to watch it 19 times in a row. In. A. Row. Vee.... do you kno what that does to a person? Lol
You know how people like making a meme with each Joker actor with different Joker titles they embody best. Ceaser Romero = Clown Prince. Nicholson = Gangster, etc..... I always thought Clooney can definitely claim to be best at Playboy Billionaire. The problem is he never stops being a Playboy Billionaire, but honestly it's really fun seeing Batman win an auction with the Bat Credit Card. And your right, that last scene of compassion with Mr Freeze was a great standout moment of the film where Schumachers artistic vision got to shine, and Clooney played it well in that moment.
I thought the idea for Batman in this movie is that he’s already battled his inner demons and built a new family so he doesn’t half to live life sad and depressed anymore. He still has the drive to be Batman but can also still try and live a normal and happier life now. Makes it even sadder since Batman Triumphant did happen cause that film sounds like it would of thrown a wrench into things. Hoping someday they’ll adapt that story either as a comic or animated film. They did it with the 60s show they can do it here.
Here's the weird thing about batman and Robin is everyone in the movie is awesome the director and the cast of hey r super stars so to make a bad Batman movie is crazy
Not ashamed to admit it: I liked this movie. Is it fantastic? No. Is it funny? No. Is it good..? Well, no… but I saw it as a kid and thought it was pretty neat, and have seen it since and liked it
I dont care what anyone says. Despite how much I love darker Batman, this movie is a blast and I enjoy it everytime I watch it, no matter how stupid and nonsensical it is. Clooney didn't understand the character but I still liked him
i worked in a cinema when this came out, it was small. a little two-screener, and i had to stay in the back and keep an eye on the audience. i saw this film over 100 times over a very hot summer. i can still quote it...1997 was the year i developed a love of vodka. coincidence...i think not!
He also came back to Cameo as Bruce Wayne in the new Flash movie... and I just question, WHY!? Literally no one liked him, why would they bring him back? And he hasn't learned from his previous mistakes either he still comes across as he's just being George Clooney not Bruce Wayne. The dude has a beard now which is not in character for Bruce Wayne. Granted Micheal Keaton also appears as Bruce Wayne with a beard in the very same movie but there was an in universe reason for that and he shaves the beard in the movie before putting on the costume. George Clooney comes across like he just doesn't care about being in character for the role he's playing that he won't even bother shaving for the role. And this is coming from someone who prefers to have a beard because I don't feel like myself when I shave but I've still shaved off my beard for roles when it made sense for the character. I won't even refute the idea that he is indeed the worst Batman. I don't actually agree that Batman and Robin is actually a bad movie on it's own. Like if you think it wouldn't be improved with different casting, I don't agree with that. Even a horrible script can be saved with a good performance. Using the script was bad as an excuse for bad acting is just inherently wrong. Batman Forever has a lot of the same issues as Batman and Robin in terms of the writing but all the actors are actually acting. Batman Forever is still a good movie despite the shift in tone from the Tim Burton movies. Batman and Robin really is just brought down by the fact that it's main star always looks like he's there for a pay check and not actually playing the role. I could also point out that the Micheal Keaton scenes in the Flash, terrible movie by the way... The story doesn't make any sense what so ever, Micheal Keaton's Batman is clearly only there for nostalgia bait because there is no in universe reason why there should be 3 different actors playing the same character. That only makes sense when you break the 4th wall and acknowledge the fact that Bruce Wayne is actually 3 different people rather than different versions of the same person. Despite the fact that the writing is the worst thing I have ever seen in any super hero movie ever he's still enjoyable to watch because he's playing the character! I wish he was brought back for a better movie but this also proves how a bad script can be saved by good acting. Notice how no one is questioning the spaghetti scene in that movie despite the fact it's complete nonsense. It's because Micheal Keaton delivers the lines with such confidence that most people won't even register the fact that nothing he said makes any sense at all. It's complete gibberish, a nonsensical word salad meant to explain a very important plot point but actually explains nothing. It takes a really good actor to deliver complete garbage in such a way that it sounds meaningful without actually meaning anything. Give George Clooney the exact same dialog and I'm sure everyone would suddenly start questioning what was actually said even though the writing hasn't changed just the performance has.
This Batman was weird, pure and simple. Batman would not have a bat credit card or escape from a spaceship. This movie buried the Batman franchise for years and Nolan saved it.
George Clooney is a good actor and i can agree with @veeinfuso on 95%, but Geroge himself told that is Batman was bad but i think that there is a wrost batman than George's Batman. For me Van Kilmer IS THE WORST BATMAN of all time! Yes even worst than George Clooney's Batman! Because George is a better actor than Van Kilmer and if the script and movie direction was better and the movie would have been more serious, George would have been a great Batman but it did not happend not because George is not good enough to play Batman, it's because the movie was a comedy take on Batman just like the old Batman version from 1966 with Adam West. Van Kilmer's Batman is bad and overreated and Batman Forever is bad and the most overreated Batman movie!
