If 4-5 sips of coffee gives ya the $#!¥s its not the coffee, either your on your way to incontinence or there’s something far worse going on in your bowels. Or the coffee your drinking is making you ill!
Symbiote powers are goofy as hell, and I love that the movie kept that power. I wish they went further and showed him hunting someone down through the internet, literally.
Technically it wouldn't work as well in the current day though bc most devices have wireless internet now, and the way the symbiote traveled through the internet was actually physically going through the wires
@@PhoebeTheFairy56 that could make for a really funny gag. he keeps trying to use his symbiote powers to kill people but they keep using wireless internet so he can't, and then at the end of the movie he finds ONE GUY who still uses dial-up and kills them
@@95rossc fellas is it familial to stick your tongue down each others throats? is it a sibling thing to get married, call each other love and get freaky? [marvel comics presents (2019) #5 youre welcome]
I mean in the movie wasn't that an analogy? idk, I just feel like even if that was the intent, it doesn't need to be, but yeah if they lean in and don't just queerbait it then sure sounds cool@@Tavi78
@@mammoneymelonWELL AKSHUALLY The original concept for Venom was an alien symbiote bonding to a woman who was mourning the death of her husband and miscarriage of her child due to an unintended side effect of Spider-Man's actions. However, Marvel felt the story was too dark, so the woman was changed into a dude and they toned the elements down. In both versions, the symbiote is basically a parasite that exploits the host's emotions to become a villain. While there may be gay subtext SOMEWHERE, it definitely wasn't from the character as originally created.
The venom movies are great because Tom Hardy is someone who is conventionally attractive yet he's a character actor. He's like Mike Rowe doing dirty jobs. Just a guy who loves his gross job and not afraid to be disgusting
I love seeing Tom Hardy respond to dumb tabloid questions. He shuts down those reporters with tact and lays to bare the stupidity of the whole celebrity gossip columnist industry.
it just feels like Morbius was Jared Leto's last desperate attempt at getting in on the super hero hype but.. he's not that guy... plus he's just a huge fuqin creep
legitimately the hate that venom got was uncalled for. like is it a masterpiece? no. is it entertaining? yes. is it memorable? more than some other superhero movies that’s for damn sure.
glad to see the multiple people in the comments being like “pinely….they’re gay….” about venom and eddie this is very important bc i stopped in my tracks when i heard him say that like …????
@@KetsubanSolo well... I wouldn't call it straight either. Of course, those aren't the only two options, but they're the only ones humans know and use
For some reason when you said Eddie and Venom were siblings which is weird because they kissed, my reaction was to defend it by saying “but Luke and Leia kissed” and I don’t know what to do now
I have to tell you that I was watching this video on my TV; when I read your comment, I got up, got another device, logged in and found the video just to reply to you: I laughed so hard at this. Thanks much, internet stranger!! 😂😂
Welcome to time dialation. Every year will, as a percentage of your life, always be shorter than the last. And your brain is getting a LOT better at filtering out more of the year from your memory as it needs to make space in those biological hard drives...
@@SilverRagaire Because the original commenter is named "god_7594" and has a picture of the biblical god as his profile picture? Seems like the joke writes itself there.
Tom Hardy not only did the eating the lobster.. but I also remember hearing he in fact was the one who decided he wanted to do that. Went on set saw lobster tank and went I want to go into this. The lobster iirc was made out of marshmallow with chocolate syrup blood I think!
Fun fact about this scene. Tom Hardy is deathly allergic to the sea creatures in the tank, and he actually ate the lobster because he wanted the scene to feel authentic. That's right, Tom Hardy almost died so he could commit to the bit.
I genuinely thought that being surprised by these comments would make someone be like, "haha trolled!" But I look it up and - !?!??!?!! They really get pregnant together???
23 is basically 25 and if you think about it that’s basically one third which is just 33% which rounds to 50% and 50% is an F but 59% is also an F which basically means 60%, and if we’re being honest we should give people the benefit of the doubt and give them 10% leeway, so 70%, which is visually indistinct from 75%. So, to be fair, the morbius writers basically have a 75% average
As an lgbt person venom was so popular with us not only because it’s a shitty cheesy -romance- like straight ppl have had for centuries but it’s also an action movie with debatable queer characters and themes. It’s honestly so good and I love the series
Yeah like Eddie throws his life away for the most rejected members of society, almost dies, gets possessed with an alien and keeps going because he cannot live with himself if he lets the suffering go on? The movies are simultaneously a romcom? They’re the best?
8:45 "In my planet I'm a loser, kind of like you" is a good line, but I wish the villain of the first movie had confirmed that the other symbiontes in fact think Venom is a loser, even if it was in just a quick line. Something like the bad guy saying "of course you befriended a human, Venom. Its so typical of pathetic losers like you!" at the beginning of the final fight
The line is not only bad, your fix on it is even woirse!\ it DESTROYS the entirew character lol. Venom isn't supposed to be the freekin Booster Gold of the spiderverse. Hes NOT a loser on his planet, hes not a loser anywhere. that's the point. but modern cinema sympathizes with villains bc brainrot is more importnat, so we have fancam edits and love letter movies to serial killers such as Dhamer, glorified criminal murder plot revengres ( joker ) and ppl literally empathizing with the sepetmeber 11th attacks lol. this is what thigns have become. we cant just have a villain, hes gotta have HJEART! OMG hes a LOSERRR :*( just like Thanos. cant make him ultra evil, lets make him a big bag of weiners too.
i agree that they could’ve add more but riot did say to venom something along the lines of "get your ass in the ship right now" and got shocked and mad when venom refused, so this at least implies that venom is someone who’s supposed to be easy to push around. although riot seems to be the leader of their lil team of alien goo so maybe his anger confirms only the fact that venom is his subordinate. and being a subordinate is not necessary a loser thing to do… or maybe it is, in the alien goo society? anyways yeah i wish riot confirmed venom’s loser-ness more explicitly. but oh well now riot’s dead so we’ll never know!
I love watching the movies through the lens of venom being so utterly in love with Eddie and Eddie just not at. All. Like he’s there just nervously smiling at the alien with multiverses of hive mind knowledge who saw him and went ‘that’s my husband’
one thing that baffles me about that "we're the same" line from cletus to eddie/venom in the movie is like. in the comics, he's referencing the fact they're both this fucked up largely from having very abusive fathers that kind of deeply affected their ability to treat people normal. it's literally a whole cycle of abuse/"we both have daddy issues/a really hard upbringing" thing. also originaly the whole drake labs incident involved capturing eddie/venom and making more symbiotes, riot being one of them, but their actual leader was this awesome lady symbiote called Scream that has pizza colors. she was a whole girlboss gaslight gatekeep and they didnt even give her a chance... (i think you see a flash of a yellow symbiote eating a rabbit in the lab, iirc, that's probably supposed to be her)
consider you have to take decades of comic lore ( of which a ton is largely contestable) and truncate it into a 90 minute + flick. imagine the fact you have to dumb things down... considerably. Like the red carnage line - is directly from the old 90's marketing for " MAXIMUM CARNAGE ": on the RaDiCaL red Cartrdige ! Woha!
Name one historian who has ever actually said that. If you were half as smart as you think you are, you would know that most historians love talking about the lurid sex lices of historical figures.
@@Abcdefg-tf7cuThe thing is, most history books mention either A. Nothing about the relationships B. being "besties" Like, you are writing a biography about this person, why aren't you mentioning it? Anyway, the being "besties" part is what started the whole roommates thing lol
@@Averyspacesmileyface You're right. Most history textbooks don't talk about the sex lives of most historical figures. And no history textbook has the word "bestie" in it. Like I said, you don't actually know more about these historical figures than the historians who study them for a living. Here in reality, there are basically zero historians who have any issue with saying that a historical figure was gay. They just say that historical figures were platic friends because, get this, some people actually are just "besties" with other people. Normal people can be friends with others without needing to get sex or other physical pleasure from them.
@@Averyspacesmileyface "Like, why are you writing a biography about this person, why aren't you mentioning it?" Because most of these historical figures you are talking about genuinely were just plotinic friends with their "besties." Like I keep repeating to you, historians have ZERO issue with saying that a historical figure had a gay relationship IF THEY ACTUALLY HAD THE RELATIONSHIP. I can't even begin to understand what must be wrong with your perverted, sick mind if you think "hardcore anal BDSM" every time you see the word "friend."
@@Averyspacesmileyface You are the type of person who thinks history textbooks should get rid of the parts about slavery to make more room for homoerotic speculation about Hitler and Mussolini.
I watched morbius but it was so bad I immediately forgot what happened so when you said the 2 main characters started making out I really thought I just missed that or forgot 💀 Also everyone convincing them to release it in theaters a second time is peak comedy
I have argued for years that Venom was better than anyone gave it credit for. It’s obviously got issues but Eddy and Venom dialogue has me laughing every time I watch the movie because they are just so funny! I know comedy is not objective but it really hits my sense of humor perfectly. The same goes for the second movie too, I just love these big lovable doofus’s
it's a romcom! with monsters! it's a gay monsterfcker romcom, of course it's good, and everyone who disagrees just doesn't get it (or probably not into monsterfcking). there are people out there who think the shape of water is mid, although it's one of the best monsterfcking romance fairytales ever made
@@pasharighton An interesting way to put it. I haven't seen Let there Be Carnage but you putting it that way makes it sound more interesting lol. Still need to watch Shape of Water, crazy I haven't yet given my interests, but I was pretty sure it got widespread acclaim?
@@luvhair255 I've seen people saying it didn't deserve best picture. it's a bit basic in its message, and characters are either really good kind people or horrible assholes, but so is the case with fury road and that movie is a masterpiece too
Is a generic shit of a movie that only some gay people like for some reason. There are many cool gay movies out there that were even made against government persecution and they just prefer to Stan this souless cash grab.
One small note about the Morbius returning to theaters thing: Sony doesn't pay (much) for rereleases, it's the theaters that rent the movie showing rights / files so it would be the theaters that would lose money when they had the second run. How the theaters pay changes, sometimes it's just a cut of the ticket sales and sometimes there's also a flat fee / "guaranteed ticket sale" involved but it's likely that Sony successfully made money on that second run. The only thing that Sony would likely have to pay for is creating new keys (called KDMs, Key Delivery Messages) for the video file (called DCPs, Digital Cinema Packages) so that it can be played again, which they likely would be covered immediately from any flat fee. The movie still lost Sony loads of money but the rerelease thing wasn't some huge mistake by them.
Truly the only joy in Morbius is that lil dance Matt Smith does Every time I think about how bad Morbius was I think "but what about that lil dance." Madame Web was better than Morbius but not good. Fun, though. Just not good
I will forever be a venom defender. Its objectively not a great movie and im so incredibly obsessed with it. you summarized very well why its so appealing
Ngl, they could've made so much cash if this was actually just the Venomverse I'd watch each second of these stupid fucking movies as long as I get Venom
I like bad movies. I Really really like bad movies. I used to make a discord call with my friends every Saturday to watch a bad movie. The room, birdemic, samurai cop, chun li, alone in the dark, dead or alive etc. and we always laugh a lot. Terrible movies can be a lot of fun and we always endure it happily. That being said: we turned off Morbius before the half if the movie due to boredom, and went to watch the entirety of the resident evil movies. I can enjoy great movies and the most terrible ones. Morbius is just a void with no merit, a thing you forget 10 seconds after you seen it. I can’t remember a single scene, only how numb it made me feel
the resident evil movies are an excellent bad movie choice. they're awful but somehow manage to be interestingly bad/weird and have fun action movie stuff, and some of the visuals are genuinely pretty cool. the first one and apocalypse are definitely the most memorable for me. shout-out to the zombie crows in apocalypse
41:10 Sony fucked up even with their "early 00s" product placement. There's a guy in the subway playing with his PlayStation Portable but that thing came out a year later in 2004.
Maybe Madame Web used her split people powers to steal one from Sony headquarters in the future and bring it back to the present (I still have no idea what she's able to do)
Yeah pinely is kinda weird for not calling it a 10/10. No marvel movie at all in my mind can live up to it. I literally despise superpower-action-movie-craps but venom is actually a masterpiece with a lot of subtext that is so interesting to look into
What got me about Madam Web is that they specifically set it in 2003, yet put references in that weren't even from 2003. Like one of the showrunners said they set it in that year as an excuse to use the song Toxic, yet that song came out in 2004. Also, the guy in the subway they have playing a psp? Something they thought so good they put it in the trailer? That console wasn't on store shelves until 2005.
Love the idea that Sony got the release date of their own products wrong. But, to be fair, the actual dates don't matter. It just needs to be a year that the general audience will believe if they are not familiar with the specific date.
@@MooseMedley Venom kisses Eddie in the first movie and at the end of it they say "I love you" to each other. In the second movie when they "break up", Venom goes to a gay rave and realizes that people can accept him for who he is. They have a child in the comics.
@@cynister7384I mean I wouldn't call that a child that a couple in love would want... if anything it's more like the result of an, uhhh, "unwanted cuddling"
@@flzrian3623oh those types drive me nuts. They keep rattling on about "THE MESSAGE" when it's more like "clueless execs see that there are less women going to their male-focused movies, so they try so hard to pander to women that it backfires and alienates the original audience while STILL not attracting the new audience they want."
Love Venom 2 just straight up having Eddie and Venom break up, lmao. Venom 2 didn't even try to pretend it wasn't doing the romantic comedy. It just went "Yup Venom is literally doing the stereotypical girlfriend thing and throwing Eddie's stuff out the window"
what's wild about the morbius parts of this video, from someone who's never seen the film, is that i just heard matt smith say one line, and it had more life and energy to it than any of jared leto's line deliveries so far.
speaking of continuing to hire people they shouldn't, jared leto has been cast in the new Tron reboot this man needs to be blacklisted from hollywood honestly
I remember hearing someone theorize that the reason the two writers from morbius got hired was because they're easy for studios to work with and will comply for any changes that the studios demand. I don't know if thats true but it would make a lot of sense as to why the movies are... of doubious quality
As a fan, I would like to point out that the 2017 Power Rangers movie went through quite a few writers and those guys only really have credits on that script because of union rules. From what I know John Gatins' version of the script reflects most of what appears in the final cut of the movie. Also that movie is super underrated and people should watch it.
I remember Tom Hardy describing a scene from Venom which was his "favourite scene" and what he described turned out to be completely cut out of the film. It was the moment where Eddie apologises on the top of a building to Venom, and Venom gives us a glimps into what it is actually like to be a foreign being whose purpose is to consume and control, only to feel empathy after connecting to Brock's mind or some shit. So much of the film just seemed chopped up in post.
I think the first Venom movie is looked back on more fondly in hindsight because of the abysmal offerings that came after it. At the time, it was criticised against the juggernaut Marvel movies that came before it. Now it is judged by the colossal failures that have come after it. I don't think it was ever a bad movie, but from people who view it from either side, the most consistent complaint is that it was squandered potential.
There’s a movie critic here in Brazil, Isabella Boscov, and she reviewed Matt Smith’s participation in Morbius perfectly: “is a gambling debt. Only with someone threatening to break your legs you accept to join a project like this.”
I think the main problem with superhero movies in the big cinema universes now is that they take themselves a bit too seriously, already the costumes (which people have made memes of for a while now) just feel like an "edgy" version of a superhero costume. It's like they're embarassed of admitting that that's quite literally what they are: superhero movies??? When I was younger I'd be really into those movies for like 2-3 years but then became so bored of it all being so soulless and just overpolished. Then, years later I got into Tokusatsu and my love for superhero shows/movies came back again because it's so full of love and soul and character and I just love practical effects and goofy bad CGI and stories that are so intense and dramatic and the next moment someone pulls out a bop-it sword (that is a marketable toy)... It's just so much fun and oddly enough has made me more sad at times than any dramatic scene in a Marvel movie (for example) ever could, just because it FEELS so much more like a proper story and interesting characters
superhero movies take themselves to seriously? have you seen most of the superhero films that have come out? Shazam 1 and 2,The Suicide Squad, Aquaman 1 and 2,blue beetle, WW 1984, most of the MCU movies for the past 7 haven't been "edgy" or taken themselves seriously. the closest we've gotten to anything "edgy" was the batman, Joker, Echo,The boys, Invincible, and ZS justice League. people have criticized the MCU for no longer taking risks or any variety in their films.
modern superhero movies are deathly afraid of committing to the bit, and are seemingly embarrassed to be comic book adaptations in the first place, so they feel the need to act like they’re above it by adding quips every other line.
my dad loves Tom Hardy, and he really liked the Venom movie, but in particular, he liked the "Jump?....Pussy" line so much, that everytime he sugests somethign bald, or someone sugests something bald, he quotes it. Dad: So, son, you wanna go on a rollercoaster? JUMP? Me: I don't really want to, I'm just not a fan- Dad: PUSSY
Imagine how annoying it would be if your arch nemesis could see into the future and would just keep hunting you down to hit you with a car. You literally wouldnt be able to escape and they would be able to find you anywhere and set up to be able to hit you with a car. This is what truly makes Madame Webb so terrifying.
Have they considered just hiring a renown comic book writer to create a fully new original iconic hero character and put them in the same settings and they're now the equivalent of spider man and defeats the same villains. Except it's not spiderman and they have their own completely new story, flaw, power, backstory and personality. They first try releasing a couple comic books, and eventually movies. I mean they clearly have money to throw at stuff. Like there's a lot of spidermen in the spiderverse some more recent than others. It feels like people don't mind showing up for different new spidermen as long as they've got something to bring to the table. Why not a new not-spiderman but still in this universe ? I mean obviously that implies doing something original. But legally I think they are allowed to right ? As long as the guy isn't a spiderman.
Because Spiderman is a very popular character, I'm also convinced they are riding the nostalgia train just like Disney making shitty remakes of their old movies while having the majority of their new productions suck badly. But unfortunately the original fans of those movies start to lose interest because of that and so in return superhero movies as a whole are flopping more and more
@@KetsubanSolo I mean yeah but the movie writers they hire aren't qualified either. At least the comic book writer should logically know how to write and design a compelling character then they can build on from that.
@@ArturGlass.C the mainstream doesn't care about new superheroes with original identities. if they did Static Shock, Radiant Black, Sideways, and other heroes would be cultural icons instead of cult classics. people would rather stick with a property they're sick of than try something new.
Carnage being Venom’s son is even funnier in the source material. Carnage constantly refers to Venom as “daddy” and the Venom Symbiote specifically hates it because it birthed it. The entirety of their dynamic can be boiled down to Venom not wanting to pay child support. And then Carnage has his own symbiote child and he and Venom set aside their differences for a while because they hate it even more. That’s not even going into Venom’s seven other kids, his clone, Carnage’s two other kids, and the mindless clone of him made when Eddie had cancer. Oh, and it turns out Symbiotes leave behind pieces of themselves whenever they leave people, which happened to Eddie’s girlfriend, and her Venom bits were reincarnated into her son, meaning Eddie’s biological human son is also Venom’s. I love comics.
I feel like its just because they needed to make a movie to keep the rights. Like what WB does when they shelve fully finished movies and tax write it off. Its not about entertainment anymore, corporations are just out to squeeze every penny they can. Even when it doesn't make sense
They got a decently competent crew to do this movie. The cinematography and editing is baffling given who they have. I think you are on to something about tax write-offs though. I'm not sure how much is 'we're tanking this for more tax write-offs' or complete meddling in the entire process by one or two of the producers.
Yeah I totally agree. They know they can make millions off MCU Spider-Man by doing absolutely nothing, so as long as they shart out... SOMETHING, they keep getting free money from Disney. Or at least they did, dunno how much more stinkbombs the MCU can release.
they had the biggest falling out scene which was literally a break-up, in the old Venom comics; Venom literally got depressed cause Eddie didn't want to fuse with him anymore so they split up and Venom just went to literally scream on a cliff until Eddie eventually came back, they made up and the dialogue was actually pretty...romantically heartwarming? 10/10 relatable, love them
The narration for the madam web section is GOLD I'm crying laughing. Like- the depressing ass situation, the anger at the writers, the demostrative reenactment of the scenes, the chaos explaining the future visions... majestic.
you are now mandated to make a video apologizing for misinterpreting the eddie x venom dynamic followed by a declaration of their love through a dramatic reading of at least one novel-length fanfiction
I adore the venom movies they are silly, the people making them clearly had a lot of fun, they aren’t afraid to be political, also it’s literally the first time we got gay people as main characters in a marvel movie and it’s some random dude having an alien fall in love with him
Fun fact riz ahmed (the actor who plays drake) is indeed also a rapper/ musician in real life and had my favorite album of 2020 that had an accompanying short film that won an oscar so imo hes way better than Canadian Drake
I would say that she-venom scene awakened something in me but I knew from the moment I heard this movie was coming out I was gonna watch it for unwholesome reasons
Everything I knew about Venom came from spectating the Eddie/Venom ship popularity on Tumblr. I always assumed the fandom was just extrapolating their relationship, which is common. So NOTHING could have prepared me for Venom and Eddie actually canonically making out.
LMAOO at 21:25 when you said that there was “no joy in morbius” i was like WRONG there is 1 joy: matt smith dancing scene. then you corrected yourself about the 1 joy being the scene. i laughed out loud
The only reason they didn't call it the Venomverse was because they vehemently insisted venom was a bad guy. Despite him being an anti-hero in his own movie.
It was set in the early 2000s so that there’s enough of a time jump between movies for Dakota Johnson’s character to be old enough to be *madame* web in the movies that take place in modern day.
eddie and venom were just gay in the comics, it was hard for them to state it explicitly, but they've stated its a love story explicitly in the comics. i definitely think they were going more for gay couple than siblings in that second movie haha
How to fix this franchies. They keep giving movies to villains and turning them into good guys. Instead they should keep giving normal good guys in the spiderman comics powers. For example they could give Mary Jane powers.
“They’re not losers in like a cool sexy way” as someone who was on tumblr when the venom movies came out, I can say that many people would disagree with that
