sad thing is that as of March 2021, the Oilers lost good NHL players Hall, Barzal, Petry, Schultz, Eberle, Strome and Caggula and all they have to show on the NHL roster in return is Larsson, Kassian and Caleb Jones! 7 out, 3 in. that's the reason why the Oilers aren't as yet serious cup contenders!
And procession of dimwits that preceded him get a free pass? Chiarelli wasn’t perfect but he was still far better than McTavish, Tambellini and Lowe (the true architects of the suck). He at least got us moving in the right direction finally.
@@rjay-d2335 yes, Chia absolutely got the ball rolling in the right direction despite his mostly awful trades, and to his 100% credit he was partly responsible for the great drafts from ‘15 to ‘19 that had restocked the system! And I give no credit at all for anything but failure to the likes of MacT and Tambo !! 👎🏻
@@thatguy108 ryan strome is nothing without panarin. imagine being such a shit GM that you get repeatedly fleeced by garth snow. even so, milbury has to be worse. i'm not sure which deal is worse, ottawa or florida.
Don't forget after acquiring Lucic they traded him to Calgary for James Neal and wound up retaining 15% of the contract of Lucic. Which they ended up buying out james neal.
@@martytruelove5026 True, and I'm an Oiler fan but I'd have to say that Milbury's trades were worse!! And the amount of money thrown around by I assume GM Garth Snow? was astounding!!
To be fair, they traded Lucic _because_ they could buy out James Neal if things went badly. Lucic's contract, on the other hand, was buyout proof. That was their logic to that trade. And to be fair to both teams, both players did improve for a little while after the trade.
it's nice being a sabres fan, and coming to watch a video about painful hockey franchises, and not seeing yours mentioned for once. This is the kinda positivity I need (coupled with the Sabres not playing for the rest of the season).
Peter Chiarelli was GM of Boston when they won the cup and yet everyone obstinately refuse to believe it was completely fixed from the start of that season...
@@jackb9830 Not sure that 14th pick is going to be as good as what they could have got... Barzel, Connor, Chabot, Aho, Koknecky? Hell Zboril may turn out to be a better player than Debrusk long term..
Have replayed that draft in my head for years. Every now and then firing a bruins franchise with 3 different picks in those spots or just completely redrafting 2015... Historic misses where made as with any other 3 players taken in those spots we are looking at a potential dynasty. Chabot, Connor and Barzal on the B's come on...
Craig MacTavish traded Petry away. He also refused to sign Petry a long term deal when Petry wanted one instead giving him a one year prove yourself deal where it took him to UFA right away. Petry would also be healthy scratched in his third game that season unreservedly to send Petry a message. It basically ensured Petry would be on his way out.
The way I see it, Edmonton was so inept the last decade, I can only rationalize it by thinking they intentionally ruined themselves hunting for 1st overall drafts picks and then completely forgot how to win and build a team.
So in 2019 I was a DJ in a stripclub in Edmonton near Rogers Place - now if the games went well then drinks would flow and customers would party - a lot of money to be made. 2019 was such a slow quiet disaster because of Chiarelli that one of the loudest greatest pops I ever got from the crowd - after an awful loss (i think to Detroit?) - at 12:05am I announced that Chiarelli had been fired. The room roared and we went from what felt like a funeral to what turned out to be a decent money night for a weekday.
The worst trade EVER happened in May of 1967. The Chicago Blackhawks traded Phil Esposito, Ken Hodge and Fred Stanfield to the Boston Bruins for Pit Marin, Giles Marotte and a minor league goalie. Esposito became an all time great with Boston. Hodge scored over 400 career goals-- most of them with the Bruin and Stanfield was a good two way center. Pit Marin was a decent player for Hawks--but no better than Stanfield. Marotte and the minor league goalie were both busts.. Great as Bobby Orr was if this trade had NEVER been made Boston would not have won Stanley Cups in 1970 and 1972. Chicago would have won those championships and probably others. That trade added to Bobby Orr's greatness and took away from Bobby Hull''s greatness.
Back in the day Gretzky and many other stars had stakes in the team. Even though their contract was lower, they had far more potential to earn more than players today. Which is also why the NHL introduced the salary cap
WOULD YOU RATHER: a) New York Islanders team with J.P. Dumont, Chris Osgood, Dustin Brown/Ryan Kesler/Zach Parise/Corey Perry, Dany Heatley/Marian Gaborik, Bryan Berard, Bryan McCabe, Todd Bertuzzi, Zdeno Chara, Jason Spezza, Zigmund Palffy, Bryan Smolinski, and Roberto Luongo? b) The Edmonton Oilers consisting of a healthy Andrej Sekera, Drake Caggiula, Justin Schultz, Jordan Eberle, Mathew Barzal, Taylor Hall, Connor McDavid, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins, Leon Draisaitl, Oscar Klefbom, and Darnell Nurse c) The Toronto Maple Leafs consisting of Tuukka Rask, Rick Nash/James van Riemsdyk, Tyler Seguin, Dougie Hamilton, Morgan Rielly, Nazem Kadri, and Luke Schenn
One caveat about the Milbury tenure with the NYI: the ownership of the team during that time might be the worst in NHL history. More than a few folks have suggested that DiPietro's massive contract was due to the owner at the time pushing Milbury to offer that deal.
This is definitely a forgotten piece of history. There was so much wrong with the Milburry era. Slightly off-topic but I love the fisherman jerseys from that time but the ownership thinking they needed a rebrand because they lost to the rangers via sweep in 94 was absolutely ridiculous. Just another fact about that time and if they overreacted about branding that just goes to show how they couldn’t handle a hockey team.
I think it’s an easy decision between the two. Chiarelli may have had a terrible stint in Edmonton but he did win a Cup in Boston. If you’re going to measure the entire work of a GM, you have to talk about his Boston years. Millbury was the epitome of suckage. His decisions still impact the Islanders. He traded Chara, Luongo, Jokinen, Pallfy, and Spezza for little return. He spent fortunes on Yashin in decline. He did the same for an unproven DiPietro. Milbury left the Islanders in shambles. Chiarelli left Edmonton at the bottom disappointing expectations but with a core that has the ability to win a Cup in the next few years if things go right.
Peter Chiarelli Is Italian He has a Master Plan for his organization When he needs attention, he messes up a trade Mattia Binotto is Italian He has Master Plan for his organization When he needs attention, he messes up his driver's race. COINCIDENCE, I THINK NOT S🅱️INALLA
0:40 We Lightning fans still wish to thank Bergevin for giving us Sergachev for Drouin. Haven't watched this whole video yet, but if you don't have a section titled "F*ck You, Brian Lawton (And the ENTIRE OK Hockey Group)" for the Lightning, the video will have missed out.
For Leaf fans worst trade is almost impossible to determine. Trading away top draft picks, trading away Sittler, MacDonald, trading away top prospects, trading has often been as bad as the time they refused to draft Joe Sakic.
Oilers fan here, the wounds are still fresh 😖 the drake deal was salt in the wound. Drake was an great player for us and got shipped out for a public enemy🥴
Paul Fenton needs to be on here. besides bringing in Kevin Fiala, he had one of the worst 14 Month Track Records Ever. from Trading Niederitter for Victor Rask, to trading Charlie Coyle for Ryan Donato, to Signing Zucc to a 5 Year contract worth 6Mill per as a 32 Year old, to Absuing and harassing Minnesota Wild staff behind the scenes... it was an Absolute Shitshow.
Looks like Larsson is doing all the scoring that Hall is this year. Everyone has to move on from this trade, Edmonton actually did well. How could they even sign Hall and his 2 goals this year without a huge cap raise.
In defense, well, not really, of Chiarelli, there is no way the Oilers could have afforded to keep all those guys. You can't have two players that make like $12-13M per season each and still keep your Taylor Halls and whatnot. There is this thing called a salary cap that's a royal pain in the ass. To have McDavid, Dreiseitl, Hall, Barzal, Petry etc etc etc on your team at the same time would cost $140M a year especially when you factor in that 7 year $42M Lucic contract (who was hired to protect McDavid, and that contract only costs about $5.5M per season more than it's really worth.) Yeah, it sounds like a dream team, sort of, and you're dreaming if you think the Oilers could manage to pay all those guys what they want. Not a snowballs chance in hell.
That’s the laughable part about everyone whining how we could have had all these high end players on the team if not for Chiarelli when in reality the salary cap would make that impossible. I agree he made some garbage trades near the end of his tenure ( Hall for Larsson not among them imo) but the mind numbingly inept brain trust we had running the show all the years prior to him and the abysmal drafting record of it are the real culprits to any of the current deficiencies of the Oilers.
Just imagine having Barzal and McDavid on the same line it would be epic, the Hall trade was a disaster they should have gotten a 1st or 2nd round pick added to that trade at the very least.
The fact that Pete Chiarelli has had a job as GM (for MULTIPLE years, on MULTIPLE organizations)… is honestly an insult to any person who is only just DECENT at Franchise/GM Mode on EA Sports NHL video games
As an Isles fan the Milburry era PAINS me and I wasn’t even alive yet. I think Chiarelli did a worse job because I think a lot of the team was already in place and all he had to do was not fuck it up. They both traded away good pieces for poor return but the Islanders were already rebuilding. Trading away prospects for NHL ready pieces/stars happens every year. The one that baffles me is the Luongo/DiPietro situation. You just didn’t need to do it and you could’ve had Dany Heatley in 2000. Terrible decision making.
Peter Chiarelli was absolutely terrible in Boston too. Joe Thornton, Phil Kessel, Blake Wheeler and Tyler Seguin for Matt Bartkowski, Loui Eriksson, Alexander Fallstrom, Matt Fraser, Dougie Hamilton, Alexander Khokhlachev, Jared Knight, Joe Morrow, Dennis Seidenberg and Reilly Smith. Hamilton isn't even on the team either. Another bad trade. 🤦🏻♂️
Stan Bowman has... Traded his top defensemen for pretty much NOTHING Traded a top goalie (Robin Lehner) for an AHL "potential" starter DIDN'T re-sign a hall of fame bound goalie Traded a top forward for a defensive defenseman (They desperately need more offense)
The fact Chirelli is in the conversation for worst game with Mad Mike Milbury explains so much why oilers are only last two seasons recovering from his messes..... At least the Griffyn trade made a little sense... got a 4th overall pick they’d ranked 2nd that year that they thought would step in sooner then waiting 4 years for whomever they drafted and for that 15th overall wasn’t that bad a price had he not been completely wrong!
You had me laughing the whole way through! Both were brutal, tough to decide who is more brutal! Millbury must have been getting paid from an outside source. Come on, how bad can you possibly be?
The post-Niall Yakupov era! I remember Lucic at that presser who was told by his ex-Bruin teammate Johnny Boychuk about growing up in Edmonton. He was sold on that rather than Chiarelli.
Let’s not be too critical of the Oilers trading away Taylor Hall. He had one good MVP season with the Devils. He has been gone 8 years; played on 5 different teams; been very unremarkable.
With Chiarelli, I don't know if he made that pick, but Yakupov was 1st and 2nd was Nikita Kucherov btw. And they even had Dubnyk as a goalie once, eventhough he isn't good now, he used to be.......
Milbury was the worst by far, Chiarelli was second, and Garth Snow was third. Amazing that the Islanders had 2 of the 3 worst GM's in recent history and only now finding their way back towards some relevance.
Keith will play 1 year retire and then Chicago will get hit for 8million. Young defence can learn a lot from him, hopefully he's paired with Bouchard. Jones was gone anyways.
How about the Harold Ballard-Imlach Leaf era? Traded away Lanny, Sittler, and let Salming walk. Traded for every old vet out there like Secord for Vaive, Steve Thomas. Then Devils traded Kurvers to Leafs in '89 for Leafs first (a bid to get Lindros) in '91 draft that turned into Scott Neidermeyer. Or Serge Savard-Houle 90's Hab era trading away Chelios for D. Savard in '90. Leclair and Desjardins to Flyers for Recci. Patrick Roy to Av's in '95 for 3 scrubs. And countless bad draft picks in the 90's.
Not a Oiler fan at all but sometimes you have to trade guys like Eberle cuz you've maxed out what they'll give you. Then the traded player often picks up his play elsewhere and makes you look bad. What you get in return for them is another story. probably poor decisions there. One of the big problems in Edmonton is patience is near nil. The media and fans are all over the team/GM/coach if things aren't great. I think that has an impact and why the oilers seem to always be in 5 game win streaks or 5 game losing streaks.
This would be more realistic if it were just about a team making horrible choices for 56 years is the Leafs. I can not even remember a fraction of the horrible trades but they gave up a 1st to get rid of Marleau who I never understood giving him a 6.5 m contract! They gave up a 1st and 3rd to get 2 players who played 30 games then left, O-Rielly and Acciari. Before that there was the Foligno trade where we lost a 1st and more for a guy who played less then 30 games then left. Also recently traded Sandin for a 1st we used on Easton Cowan? A undersized center who no analyst even had on his draft list at any position? Oh ya TO also got a half decent defense in that trade Gustaffson that they never used and just let walk as UFA. Then they re-sign Keefe , just plain to say he is not a NHL coach. Most pathetic team in the NHL as far as management goes is TO hands down.
Important also is that when Edmonton drafted Nail Yakupov, Nikita Kucherov way second overal...... Also they had Devan Dubnyk, but traded him away for 6th round if I remember well.
Before I watch...Bobby Clarke and Paul Homer Holmgren teamed up for like 20 years of garbage. The 1 day outlier were the Carter and Richard's trades but Homer used the cap space to sign Bryz so it's not much more than a wash. His moves as team President were just as bad...
Chia should get the title, but let's face it, Milbury will have that title til the end of days. Chia was a contender though, make no mistake about it. He came this close to grabbing that title for himself. Honestly though, the Reinhart deal still hurts. I winced so hard when they announced it that I thought for sure I broke my face. Man I knew that was gonna make for a bad deal.
I gotta go with Milbury, he destroyed that team when the glory years were still pretty fresh in the minds of Islander fans and erased the winning culture the team had built in the 80s. Chiarelli inherited a dumpster fire of an organization whose glory days were 25yrs gone and that hadn’t done anything in over a decade, but he definitely played his part! Zero points for drafting McDavid that was a no-brainer, the better measure was the team he “built” around him and he failed miserably, except for Draisaitl.
I would say the Flames worst trade, was the 10-player deal in 1990(1991? I forget) that sent Gilmour to Toronto. The Iginla trade to Pitts was also very bad though. Kidd for Brodeur (sorta.. technically draft pick swaps).
Chara and Spezza for Yashin WAS a terrible deal for the Isles (as a Sens fan). Put aside Yashin's drama...Yashin for ONE of those players would have been a stretch.
1. Petry wasnt performing well for our team and neither was Schultz. 2. You cannot, I repeat not factor in Barzal into this. It's not a guarantee Edmonton would have picked him. 3. Yakapov was underperforming and not putting in effort which is why he was traded. 4. Hall was proven to be locker room cancer and was traded due to us trying to keep McDavid happy. 4. Eberle wasnt playing corners and waited for the play to come to him rather than back check. The strome for spooner was a bad move as was the Koskinen signing, or the Caggulia for Manning. But sorry Rob, my points above are my disappointments. Me living in the area you hear alot more and see it first hand.
Yes Petry and Schultz weren't performing. But there has been a very common trend where players leave and become stars haha. Schultz would go onto being a top 10 defensemen in Pit. Petry would develop into a star with the Habs. I have no issue in them trading Hall, but the return never made sense no matter how you slice it. Larrsson was analytically a pylon the season before he was traded. And as for Barzal, I would agree if they didn't know their selection, but they knew it was pick #16 in one of the deepest drafts in NHL history. At the time is was still regarded to be that. Funny enough I only became a fan because I moved around Edmonton from Vancouver haha
@@RobTalksHockey the trend of them becoming stars after saddens me. Sometimes I feel its rushed development other times I feel its they just dont want to play here.
Islanders did a worse job. I didn’t know any of the players the islanders got ( that might be because I wasn’t born yet ) and I know a lot of the nhl even from older times
Its hard to say which is worse between the two. On one hand, Chiarelli knew the talent he was giving away for pucks. Eberle, and Hall were already established as good players. On the other hand, its more a hindsight is 2020 scenario giving away Chara, Luongo, and Bertuzzi. They weren't established and already good, they developed into good players. Also with contracts, Lucic and Koskinen is bad but NOWHERE close to the Yashin and Dipietro contracts. For me Millbusty is the worst of all time.
I've come here for a list of Mike milbury trades, let's see how this works out Edit - I was not disappointed. The man was the worst GM in the history of the game. Thats a lot of hall of famers/all stars to trade and get nothing back. The bafoon
You have professional GM doing such an horrible job and yet you still have those "expert" blasting fans about how their idea are not good cause they are couch GM.
Arizona's GM's have to take the cake for perpetual ineptitude. Even though they have a budget and they never come close to signing the maximum 50 contracts allowed at any given time, how long does it take to see at least playoff contention?
To be fair, I think the Larsson for Hall has worked out for the Oil; but he could’ve got a prospect thrown in as well. I still weep thinking of how good Barzel would look in the top 6. The picks for Talbot paid off for a two seasons until Talbot had kids and started a worrying trend of stinking at home (twin babies, no sleep) and letting in the first shot he faced for at least 10 games of one season.
Did he also say Norris discussion? I hope I just misheard because Petry never even made an allstar game appearance much less garner any norris attention.
@@RobTalksHockey This season? We've played 12 games, 7 of them against the sens and canucks. Ott is 2-10-1, Van is 3-10 against teams not called the Sens. That's your analytics sample, correct?
The end of Lou Lamareillo tenure in New Jersey was frustrating to watch. We did draft some promising looking forwards but he never gave them a chance to get in the team. Instead of allowing the rebuild to happen he signed old veterans on 1 year deals. We would have been better off playing the prospects to let them get some experience. He postponed the eventual rebuild yes, but instead of being a bottom team for a couple of years and having bounced back by now, we became a bottom team for several consecutive years, slowly regaining the glory.
Under Lamoriello's management, the Devils, who had been barely competitive for their first five years in New Jersey, became one of the most successful teams in the NHL. The Devils made the Stanley Cup playoffs all but three times between 1988 and 2012, qualified for five Stanley Cup Finals (in 1995, 2000, 2001, 2003, and 2012) and won the Stanley Cup three times (in 1995, 2000, and 2003) He also helped turn around The Isles. how can you even mention that name when talking about worst GM in NHL history?
Hall didn't deserve the Hart. Also the Lucic deal was praised at the time. And McDavid,Draisaitl and Nurse wanted Hall gone. Hall got to play with McDavid for a year and didn't do shit. Chiarelli did suck as a GM. Eberle was invisible as was benched during the playoffs.
There's no doubt Chiarelli was a goof, but his blunders aren't even on the same continent as Milbury. Yeah, Taylor Hall, Eberle, and Barzal are all good, but when you're talking Jokinen, Chara, Luongo, Bertuzzi, Dumont, and Spezza that's just on another level. Milbury ensured the Islanders were a desolate, embarrassing franchise for almost a full decade after he left. If the Oilers are still garbage in 2028, then come talk to me.
The Hall-Larsson trade isn't as bad as people think. Since the traded to New Jersey, Hall has been with New Jersey, Arizona, Buffalo and now Boston while Lasson is still with the Oilers and may even sign an extension to stay an Oiler. He loves it with the Oilers.
