With the final version of Daggerfall Unity now coming into Release Candidates (Basically the real, non gog version of Daggerfall Unity is almost 1.0), the Lead Developer of Daggerfall Unity himself has gone on record as denouncing the GOG Cut as a SEVERELY outdated, containing countless bugs and issues that have been fixed, and more importantly, containing mods that, even if they were not outdated (which they are) compromise the original vision of Daggerfall, something Daggerfall Unity attempts to minimize with default settings. Thus, the GoG Cut isn't good for first time players, who should know the difference between the vision for the original game versus modified.
Thank you for the video. Last September, I tried contacting the GOG representative, who first contacted me in June about the Cut, to ask him if the GOG Cut was going to eventually going to be updated, for both DFU itself and the mods. I never got an answer. My expectations are very, very low here that GOG will suddenly take time and money to update it, since it doesn't bring people to their store like it did back then it got released. Save yourselves the frustration and get DFU from Interkarma and select your mods from Nexus. They're easier to install and manage than the other Bethesda titles. ;)
@@patriciusvunkempen102 I would just download the mods from the nexus mod page. There's plenty of videos around helping with how to install daggerfall unity mods. If you really don't want to, playing original daggerfall unity is still a good option.
So actually did download if from a non unity site and downloaded all the mods ..can I just copy the files from my pc to my other computer ???? My wifi is trash and it will take forever for me to be able to fund those nexus files
@@ooferrell if you have your pc's synced(with onedrive for example, no clue if there's other software for it), you can put it to the other computer through the onedrive personal file. You still had daggerfall unity right? Because none of those mods work with og daggerfall. If it's really such a hassle I'd recommend playing vanilla daggerfall unity.
It's nice they put it out, but I find Daggerfall is so involved in the first place with features that the original game with certain tweeks Unity already provide in the menu (namely, click attack, repair magic item and the guild quest list) are more than enough to make it nearly perfect for me. Daggerfall Unity is, in my opinion, the greatest, most significant modding project in the history of CRPGs, as it took a broken classic and made it what it was capable of being. No mods are really necessary to sing it's praises. It's base features are already a miracle of restoration.
@morganpike7612 I'm hoping Bethesda use their random generation in the next elder scrolls too and make it's province allot bigger. Would probably be easier than doing a ton of planets like Starfield
From my perspective stuff like the whole click to attack thing is a huge step down. Same with repairing magic items etc It's taking key elements of the game and simplifying them or dumbing them down as an "improvement" It's like how virtually every game now days has some form of passive health regeneration. Lazy gamers have ruined both the past and present lol
I was intimidated by manually modding Daggerfall Unity, so I started with the GOG cut, then tweaked to my own taste. Everything worked out fine for me. I think this was a great idea for GOG to do this as it gave new players a pain-free gateway into the amazing world of Daggerfall.
@@RealPi idk they're all about the same tbh. And oblivion and Skyrim are arguably easier since you can just get installers that put the files exactly where they need to go, which I've never had a problem using and they always tend to install the mods I want exactly the way they need to be installed.
I'm unsure of what you'll be saying about the GOG cut but when I saw them release it, I was quite bothered by the mod list. Having DREAM already be installed on it for example can make the game much harder on systems than the game would be without it and, if they're trying to have an easy way for people to jump into an older game, could turn people off of the game who may not know enough about the game to know what is causing problems or may not know how to turn off or remove mods entirely. If I were to release a better cut I would try to only have mods and settings that remain faithful to the original game and it's spirit/intentions and make sure most anyone can still run the game.
I find it strange how often forum posts both new and years old talk about how they love dream but they have performance issues with it. I have a run of the mill PC but my only problems with dream is that it, along with the other graphic style overhaul mods in the pack, look atrocious compared to standard sprite graphics.
@@southerndurden7618 Bruh. I'm saying someone new to the game and/or platform wouldn't know how to or that they could do that at all. Problems they experience would most likely be from mods or they don't like something about the game and know not that they can change it in the settings or mod settings. GOG's lack of communication hurts the perception of the game and DF Unity's devs.
@@southerndurden7618 Having to answer dozens and dozens of questions from people that downloaded the GOG Cut, they had no idea you could enable or disable mods manually, or even how to access said mod-list, so no it's not that simple with a release that is meant to be "easy" for the general user.
40+ hours into the GOG Cut and not a single crash yet, so your worry about the crashing seems to be unfounded in my case. Also, it was a good way to get introduced to the modding aspect, and I can update or remove the individual mods on the cut as I see fit (I've turned off auto updating for the GOG Cut in case they ever do decide to release an update, as I prefer to be in control.) I've even updated the Unity version just fine with no issues. The main reason why I disagree with the general sentiment here, is because I wasn't even aware there was a Unity engine remake until the GOG Cut, and I'm sure it was the same for many people. The GOG Cut is a good thing by the sole reason that it brought awareness to its existence to people. Yeah, they didn't go about it the right way (they should have gotten permission from the mod authors), but I'm grateful that it's there otherwise I never would have known it existed. Now, if people choose to get the regular unity version after trying the GOG Cut, then all the better.
There's been a solid mixture of your type of "works for me lol" and opposed to that a lot of "This is unplayable" with a middle ground of "It works for 2-3 hours, then freezes" chiming in now and again. It's clear something is wrong, but as you can see it's not uniform across everyone's loadouts, and as mentioned in the video, the specs of the PC do matter.
@@Zhakaron Of course the specs matter when it comes to crashing, and admittedly I do have a high-end PC (I just finally had my first crash while using the travel options mod, 43 hours in), but your video comes off as the GOG Cut being a bad thing, which I would beg to differ as it gives much needed exposure to the Unity engine remake. I assume "Worst" is a series of yours and you slotted this video into that because it's a series you already have, but I think it's a bit harsh to imply the GOG Cut being the "Worst" by any stretch.
@@Zhakaron What you've said is definitely fair to say, that a lot of the issues people are experiencing are due to the GOG Cut and not Daggerfall Unity itself. I personally found it strange that they only uploaded a "GOG Cut" of Daggerfall Unity, and not the base game itself as I was interested in comparing (this also certainly would have cleared up confusion for some, as they would have been making a clear distinction that there is a base DFU game.) Unfortunately, the issue lies with people misunderstanding the words "GOG Cut" at the end of it. I always understood it to be a heavily modded version of Daggerfall Unity, but it seems like a lot of people don't understand this going into it. In that regard, your video is very informative in correcting this (though it could have skipped on the clickbait title, as you yourself admitted it has.) Sadly, it doesn't seem right now that they have any intent of updating the GOG Cut past its base release and resolving those issues you speak of.
Hey Zaric! I owe you a big *thank you* for everything Daggerfall-related. Not only for this great informational video, but also for all the previous ones, as you are the person who made me discover Daggerfall in the first place, years ago, in a time where I was not yet accustomed to commenting on videos, with your "Before Skyrim" series. 💛 Also Merry Christmas! 😉
GoG should have just asked the Dagger Unity devs if they would allow for the port to be available for download from Daggerfall's Library page and have a link/video to Zakh's tutorial on how to manually install mods from Nexus.
Yes that would've been better for already veteran Daggerfall players but the idea was to try and entice others that have never played it to come and give it a go. It didn't work because as I'm a massive Elder Scrolls (RPG) fan. I couldn't get it to it and I was let down by the fact that it wasn't stable even on a pc that could easily play Skyrim SE heavily modded.. How they stuffed it up is because no money was involved I suspect so there was thus no effort
@Noxti! ye, first rule of modding is to start small. Then after that start reading up on more stuff and carefully start adding more and more shit over the years. that's how I did things for skyrim. Modding shouldn't be seen as a "I want it and I want it NOW!" kind of hobby. It's like reading a book but with more effort to it that depends on yourself.
Honestly I'd have never bothered with the game in that case. I waste enough time working on setups for other beth games without having to learn another. Sometimes I just want to play a game without weeks of prep. Modding is tedious and having an option like this is nice. I can't speak for others experience but this pack worked fine for me. Installed the game, checked settings and made sure mods were enabled. That was literally it and I haven't had a crash on my computer or ran into issues in game.
@@southerndurden7618 Yeah only game i have modded to hell and back like that is skyrim. pdx games and rimworld for example are a lot more simpler to setup and usually you actually don't need to do anything either. But yeah what Zhakaron said, atleast pick the stuff that actually works and doesn't clash with how the game is supposed to look like.
i disabled sprinting on horseback, i personally hated the idea that i would have to look out for and dodge randomly spawning NPCs when im dashing across town looking for a specific residence. with a sufficient speed skill the horse is fast enough anyway, the sprint feature on horseback always felt a bit egregious to me anyway.
I literally DL'ed the GOG Cut an hour before you uploaded this video. Every Mod included witht the repackaged cut can just be toggled on or off in the mod menu when booting up the game. Really, everyone DL'ing this should use common sense and check which mods are included. The permission argument is still valid though.
What you call Common Sense is actually being warped by your personal perception and lived expectations which vary from the majority, most people download something and expect it to work out of the box. Using the mod configuration menu scares many of the ones who've seen it, and most don't even know it exists and just click through the play button in the middle of the launcher. Just because someone like you or me could very easily customize this product, doesn't change the common sense expectation which completely varies from ours.
@@Zhakaron I completely agree with you, I actually thought about including that as a side note in my post. Not everyone is an experienced mod user, Ive been playing modded Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim set ups for ages myself so for me it was more instinctual.
@@Zhakaron That is true, I do indeed have the ability to read, which warps my perception of common sense. Like for example, that it is mentioned to be reimagined in the third word of the description. And that it mentioned it is modded in the about page on gog multiple times, including the mod list. I agree, people do not know how to read, but that is a separate issue we should not cater to, since the game itself requires reading comprehension. I also tested to see if I saw gog as the first option when searching daggerfall unity, and I do not. I see dfworkshop first, then the GitHub, videos and discussions, and then finally the gog version followed by the uesp article. I'm not sure how your search engine works, maybe it's biased.
Ignoring your snark, you are (perhaps unintentionally) correct, Google uses an algorithm to serve up results in an inherently biased way towards the individual user. Duck Duck Go does not have this bias, and Bing uses it's own algorithm different to Google's, so give those a try and you won't get personalized results the same way you do with Google. Now, back to the snark. The entire point of the GOG Cut is to pander to those people. Otherwise you'd just link to a vanilla Daggerfall Unity installation and call it a day. If your point is "The Gog Cut shouldn't have existed at all" that's a valid point of view, just not the one I'm going with for the purposes of this discussion.
I always laugh at the playable area of Daggerfall VS all the others that came after combined. I suggested someone take the playable terrain from all the other games and import it as an "island" way out in the bay. Just to give modders a toolset for essentialy importing every elder scrolls game into Daggerfall.
Can we start with fixing Cybiades? It's not where it should be so either the world maps or the landmass needs to be moved, and its one dungeon entrance is underwater.
Man I'd hate to pause the video midway to stand on a soapbox, but the whole "modpacks are bad" line was said and I can't help myself. *Edit* Yes, I know Zaric is strictly not taking a stance here. I am though, so, so focus on that when raising your pitchforks. I love Zaric's content, and he's right to not take a stance. I'm the idiot painting a target on myself *Edit 2* This statement isn't about the GOG Cut. It's about the concept of modpacks and lists being disliked by the mod develoeprs in general. Modpacks/Modlists accelerate the scenes around the game, and incentivize mod creators to create mods that interact well with each other. This is a GOOD thing. Minecraft solved this problem years ago. Skyrim is just now finally understanding this. That being sad, Daggerfall is so old and Unity is so stable anyways that I don't think modpacks/lists are necessary right now. I know next to nothing about modding, yet I got a running mod order with barely any work. Do I want to see a modpack/list utility to appear and transform the Daggerfall scene? Sure, yes please make it happen... but I am not in a rush for it. I'll get off my soapbox.
The problem with a modpack in Daggerfall Unity is that it's still being updated and each new version can require mods to be updated as well. That's not the case of the other Elder Scrolls titles. I've often seen it mentioned by GOG Cut's curator that players can simply get the Cut and install the latest fixes, but that causes the issue that some of the included mods simply won't work anymore and crash the game as the start or later on while playing. When DFU will hit 1.0 and, thus, will stop having changes to its core coding, then I see modpacks as a possibility... as long as they're updated by their curators.
@@fingusa you don't need any modding experience for daggerfall. It's only extracting a mod (you will need 7zip or winwar for this I recommend 7zip) to it's own folder then putting the .dfmod file that's in that into the daggerfall unity mod folder (to get to the mod folder click on unity folder, then daggerfallunity_data, then streaming assets, then mods). Once you do all that start up unity and go to mods on the bottom left and make sure the mods are activated then hit save and close. If a mod needs to be moved to take priority over another it will ask if you want to sort the mods automatically just hit yes then hit save like I said above. EZ PZ. Just carefully read instructions. Daggerfall is literally one of the easiest games to mod. Edit: added more info
Daggerfall is a bit too barren for me. But, there was something about it that kept me coming back to it. But, I could never play it for long. All this large world felt pointless when it was an empty flat world. That's why I am happy that new engine and modding exist. While I could never call myself a daggerfall fan given my feelings toward the original game, I can still tailor the experience for me. :)
I like and prefer mod packs when all the mods in there work well together. Like the all in one mods you sometimes see authors release that contain all of their overhauls instead of getting them individually.
What you said about video game graphics is essentially a much more specific version of mine: a game first has to be playable, only then and after look appealing. A pretty pair of shoes look nice, but you'd never wear them if every two steps you'd hurt your ankle.
I figured I'd reach out to him when he finally decides to stamp 1.0 on it. His intention is to move onto personal projects and I'd like to get a sense for his future plans, give him a chance to advertise his next thing, if he indeed has a next thing.
I don't see the point in modding the older elder scrolls games. Daggerfall is, imo, perfect outside of the bugs and ditto with Morrowind. Oblivion and Skyrim need mods to be enjoyable, but this is me, again. This coming from a guy who started with Oblivion, loved it, and went back to the older games. To force mods on someone and not only that but repackage them as your own is a big fucking nono.
Most of the mods in the GOG Cut were complete shit ruining the art of the original game. Dream butchers the NPCs. Disable everything except the quality of life stuff and it’s great.
"GOG includes mods they were never given permission for." I might be crazy, but I wonder why GOG has a lot of old games that Steam just doesn't. Do the rights holders only want it on GOG? Does GOG just post games?
Steam takes a 30% cut and developers have to go to Steam to publish their games, GOG takes a much smaller cut and courts the rights holders, that is to say GOG spends time seeking them out and making deals with them. GOG isn't an abandonware site or they'd have a LOT more games than they do. Edit: If they were just posting, they'd also be sued out of existence by rights holders like EA, who unlike modders can and will act.
Didn't gamerzakh have a fair amount to to with the GOG release? I don't think he works at GOG, and this led me to believe that there was some community contributions to that release. I could be wrong.
The community had no idea who he was when the GOG Cut released. To us it was "Some random youtuber told GOG what mods to release DFU with." We assume GOG wanted to pull in his subs to their platform, which is why they teamed up with him instead of the actual developers of DFU and its mods.
You wanna hear something else kind of crazy? Saints Row 2 is one of THE worst console to PC ports ever made. It still runs like ass on modern hardware without mods, and they never even added the DLC that came out for it. Guess who was charged with manning the PC port... *Drumroll* CD Projekt Black, a subsidiary of CDPR that only worked on the pc ports of SR2, Dark Sector, and Split Second. When I found out CDPR was somewhat responsible for SR2 PC I couldn't stop laughing... Like it all make sense lol.
Well of course the controversial, stupid, or inflammatory things you say will be archived! However, do not discount the hordes of lost media that no one bothered the archive. When companies out of business majority of the time AT LEAST SOME of their stuff goes away forever, because it's technically illegal to host it! Scores of media were saved by illegal acts like piracy, or worse dumpster diving outside their physical office. It's only through the actions of the individual that these things get saved, it's not like websites that automatically get scraped and archived.
How is this controversial? Only someone who joined the internet yesterday can think that everything online is permanent. Sites and servers do not exist forever, and unless someone put an effort to preserve their content, it's lost forever when they go offline.
GOG has always taken community patches and used them with whatever game they release. Since most of their bread and butter is old games that don't work on modern hardware without said patches. Long story short, they added a bunch of mods that conflict with each other, and cause crashes. Releasing it as just "Daggerfall Unity", not "GOG's Load Order of Daggerfall Unity". Giving Daggerfall Unity a rep for being unstable, when it's just mod conflicts. Not the actual project by itself.
I say that too sometimes. I find it best not to be too consistent with language, if you meet a large cross-section of people you are going to hear a million pronunciations.
@@Zhakaron I hear you I was just curious if I was saying it wrong in general lol. Btw what is with this fast travel strange mod packaged with the gog unity cut ? It makes your character run and hyper speed and doesn’t actually fast travel ? I turned off the travel mod and it stopped but can’t figure out the purpose of it. I prefer regular unity just wanted to check this version out to try some mods (normally I don’t use mods)
It's supposed to be used in tandem with other mods to create experiences out in the world, without those other mods it's pointless. When the mod is active you can still teleport travel by selecting Cautiously as your travel method. But again without world changing mods, roads mods, and wilderness encounter mods, there's no point in using it at all.
@@Zhakaron thanks yeah I just turned it off. All I wanted was the graphical mods it looks nice but not my style think I’m gonna go back to regular unity for now. I don’t like how the mods are turned on it wound be nice to have them there but all checked off to let the user enable what they want.
I wish man, that would make talking to people online way easier if some folks didn't buy the cheapest hardware known to man. You are thinking of Gaming Laptops, I'm talking about people who buy a word processing machine and expect to play DFU because they meet the requirements. I mean it would be cool if the moment they stopped selling a piece of hardware, that people stopped trying to use older hardware, like reality shifts and the problem isn't a problem anymore.
Yeah you guys are smoking crack. I'm playing gog version. And I have over 300 hours so far and haven't ran into a single issue? I tried downloading the one from the github and not only did it look like shit but the gog is just pieced together perfectly for newer fans.
Private Property may inherently be theft, but that statement refers to the people who own massive amounts of it while keeping everyone who doesn't at their whims. Digital "licenses" to use products ultimately owned by some megacorp are, in fact, extractive forms of theft. Remember even Hollywood tried to argue that people with VCRs were thieves: They _had to_ make that argument, because the alternative was that _they_ are thieves for trying to rob people of their personal property, aka recorded tapes they legally purchased. In the end the FCC comprimised of course and we're allowed to make personal copies not for profit or distribution, yet somehow video game emulators are still legal gray areas. Corporations will use bourgeois law to spin _their_ theft into _our_ theft at every opportunity they get, and since they've bought the politicians who "represent" the people, they get their way 9 times out of 10
Physical media in games is dying because disc are limited in the amount of data they can hold and it is far cheaper and easier to beam the data over the internet. If you are that concerned you can download the stuff on a hard drive
@@chompythebeast "Private Property is Theft" was the best piece of Soviet propaganda ever tailored. Sir. If I make a sandwich, is it our sandwich or my sandwich?
@@bobSeigar The notion that private property is theft comes decades before the Soviet Union, it's there in Proudhon and Marx and Engels from the start. And there is a misconception about what that phrase means which you seem to be operating under, which makes yours a good question. If the means of production and their products are held in common, then you have a common claim to things like bread and cheese and condiments, etc. Now, obviously this could be interpreted in the worst possible way by the (willfully) ignorant: that you have to share _one_ sandwich with _everybody._ Instead, the simpler interpretation is more logical: You're entitled to a sandwich at least as much as the next person is entitled to _another_ sandwich, so long as there are sandwiches to go around. So long as we have a system of production that keeps sandwich components in supply, you will be able to eat sandwiches. Likewise, so long as there are vacant homes to occupy, you will have a home. This is, as you know, _extremely_ different from our present capitalist system, wherein in the USA we throw away over 40% of all food brought to market and we have _millions_ of unoccupied homes, yet 1/7 go to bed hungry and hundreds of thousands of people sleep on the streets each night. The fact that this is not only legal but treated as somehow _acceptable_ to such a scale, even within the richest empire in the history of the world, is proof of the violence and thievery that is fundamentally inherent to bourgeois property rights. The wealthy who hoard and squander _astronomical_ wealth in relation to their fellow citizens and human beings, in no ambiguous or uncertain terms, _steal_ from the mouths of the cold and starving. That that will no longer be allowed to happen is the grand difference the working class and the human race will appreciate under socialism
Isn't this the "GamerZakh" edition? He made a couple Daggerfall Unity videos. The first one was like the only hour he played. The second was him bragging about he only played Daggerfall one time and was approched by GOG to help with the mods they were going to release with the GOG version of DFU. It seemed kind of weird GOG chose someone who had almost no playtime of the game to help with the mod pack.
Yes it essentially is, and basically 2-weeks or so after the disaster of a release that the GOG cut was "GamerZakh" disappeared and there have been no further updates or anything to the GOG cut since.
@Noxti! After I made this comment I went to the Daggerfall Unity GOG store page becuase I was curious how they were pitching it and only mentioned "GamerZakh" in the description. Those other influencers must not have been influencetal enough to get a shout out.
@Noxti! GamerZakh was the only contributor that i could find since he made his video about it and mentioned he had barely played the game beyond his initial Daggerfall Unity video.
I'm so glad you made this video Zaric. I was thinking about getting into Daggerfally Unity but had no idea that the GOG version was so F up. Thank you for this high quality informative video.
If you have a decent setup, I'd try it anyway. With a high-end gaming PC, you probably won't have many issues. Also, you are free to add and remove any mods as you see fit. It is the Unity version of the game, after all, and you can tweak it as you see fit. I think it's a nice starting point.
@@Holy_Discourses It's mostly "I don't like this preloaded mod list", yep. Personally it was more work for me to remove what I didn't want from GOG's version, so I'm going with a fresh install, but it ran well enough on my absolute refurbished 2014 potato of an office laptop.
Interresting issue i didnt even know about, i play Daggerfall Unity for while now (thanks to you) and i always go to source and make my own list of submods i like. I agree if GOG is first in the search for Daggerfall Unity, its at least not cool and in worst it can lead to issues you described. I myself did the same at first, i watched your video and didnt even finished watching it, commented how do you have updated textures. Soon i arrived to the point of video you described submods. I felt very dumb, learned about Dream, Tedious Travels (RIP) and so on. Making similar mistake now and commenting while you didnt finished your point.. well, iam still human in the end lol.
While I don't agree with all of GOG's mod inclusions, what the release successfully did was convince me to play the game itself. I've since sunk many hours into it (not as much as TES III-V, mind you), and haven't run into many issues that are GOG specific. The extra mods just feel like creation club tbh lol. What I was captivated by was the enhanced atmosphere, mostly due to DREAM, some 3D replacers, and lighting. So I feel conflicted hearing about how a large portion of the mod authors didn't approve of the release, and this drama in general. It makes me wonder how people feel about creation club if Skyrim AE was their first TES experience.
@@ninjasquidkamer7440 Hey man. While you're here, I actually didn't get Warm Ashes for whatever reason - I think because I was worried about conflicts with resting in dungeons. It turns out Wilderness NPCs was causing it. But now that I've seen how cool it is well into a game, is it possible to add it in mid game?
Use the start quest command to restart them each. Refer to the "WAQ##" files that went into the Quest files within streaming assets. I wouldn't worry about the Wilderness stuff though. Glitchy. Working on a C# version of it atm.
I was always drawn to Daggerfall. It was one of the few games I would daydream about on a regular basis before ever playing it. I couldn't get into it due to having to play it through Dosbox. After DFU was released I finally got into Daggerfall. DFU lived up to my dreams and even surpassed them. Thanks to DFU, Daggerfall has become my favorite Elder Scrolls outing and one of my all-time favorite games. EDIT: Had doubts about the GOG CUT, but still thought about getting it. Glad I watched your video. I'll just stick with standard DFU. And if I want to mod it further, I can always download more mods to add onto it.
I have the GOG cut, and while I appreciate how easy it is just to just install & run, all the mods in there annoyed me. With Dream, yeah the game looks nicer, but now I notice there are occasional performance hiccups (my PC has parts from 2015...so not sure if the hardware is up to snuff for Dream). Sure, I can upgrade, but something doesn't sit right with me about having to upgrade my PC just to play Daggerfall. I don't play any newer games, so I don't have any new reason to upgrade in general, so why would I upgrade it to play Daggerfall? Plus then you have all these other strange mods like the Airship mod. I'm not that familiar with the TES games, but I'm pretty sure airships aren't a part of the Daggerfall experience. Also that crosshair in the GOG cut really annoys me and I must be incredibly dumb since I couldn't find a way to turn it off. Sure, the GOG cut mods can be disabled, but there's so much to go through that it becomes overwhelming especially for someone like myself who just wants to play Daggerfall without crashes, with "modern" controls (standard WASD FPS controls), plus other general fixes. I'm afraid of making the GOG cut worse by disabling too many mods, or even potentially breaking the game. It seems like they could've done a less-is-more approach with the GOG cut instead of dumping dozens of mods into it. The best solution might be to compile my own barebones cut...and beat those skeletons in Privateer's Hold AGAIN!
@@colbyboucher6391 Before GoG DFU I was not even able to properly download it. I think. Kinda hard to tell if I downloaded something wrong, if I did something wrong during installation or if the entire thing is just borked. Its not exactly user friendly.
@@fingusa What? I just did it in five minutes. Downloaded Daggerfall on Steam, downloaded DFU and tossed it in a folder somewhere, started it up, it asked me where I put my Daggerfall files and I pointed it at the Steam install. Done.
GOG didnt put the modlist together, Gamerzakh did. he just wanted to modernize it, make daggerfall appeal to audiences that cant stand looking at old graphics. i think he succeeded in that and its really great for GOG to recognize and employ members of modding communities. Community efforts have always been so special to me, though modpacks ARE subjective. As someone who posts my personal modpacks on nexus and other modding sites, I know this. Mod guide = good, Modpack = bad. Ill never understand lol. Also, not his fault that DFU updated after the GOG CUT release. Great video, explained everything very well. I love DRM rants X D
If you have the opportunity, skim some comment replies on this video until you find Gamerzakh, he's dropped some insight relating to him having far less control than people believe. If you believe him, it actually does a disservice to put his name front and center like this.
Daggerfall vs DF Unity isnt about graphics. Df have them better than Arena. The point is that the game is really hard to play in terms of beating Dungeons, completing quests and progressing overall. For some reason Arena dont have this issues and is easier to beat even if it has much less content than Df. I think Unity is a way to make game more understandable and consistent.
I'm of the opinion that the general attitude that exists in the DFU modding community where everyone feels like they have absolute control over their mods and can prevent others from making improvements or modding/adding to their own work, has done nothing but stifle the development of the community to the point that now, we have at best, a few QOL and graphics mods and 1 or 2 quest mods and basically nothing else. This is only made worse by the fact that it's general policy over there to not include source code with released mods, which with the way DFU modding works only makes it more difficult to actually fix bugs of mods where the author has gone cold, because you can't open mods in Unity without their source code. Making patches so that two mods work together is pretty much non-existent in the community as a result. Since any attempt to go through code and make patches requires you to first get the source from the mod owner, who'll either refuse and tell you to send your code to them so they can incorporate it, or they won't respond because the last time they were on was a year ago, or maybe if you're lucky after a few days you'll get a response. This slows modding to a crawl. I get it, they feel like they have the right to demand control over their mod. But here's the thing, they're already messing with something that doesn't belong to them. Modding is a community effort. DFU's modding scene will never reach the heights it can with the kind of gatekeeping that goes on there.
The few times I've opened up development, they tried to fuck me over. There are a few people in the community you should definitely watch out for. Another big issue is people coming out of nowhere, dropping a really dope mod, and then never returning to update it and making it break later on.
Thankfully, several of the most active modders and mods have their own GitHub pages where people can get the source and import them in Unity. This being said, my GitHub is severely out of date! I'll need to get back to it.
The modding communities overall are pretty spoiled both userbase and people making the mods. Both are entitled to the highest degree. Nobody forces mod creators to make mods, and nobody owes mod users the mods either. If people relaxed instead of being eternally entitled pricks many issues and drama could have been avoided.
Daggerfall is a game that I've seen other people play, but never actually played myself. This video made me give it a try (not GOG's) and maaaaaaaan I really like it! It's a fantasy life sim with a focus on dungeons and player freedom. I can see why some younger dudes might not get it, but it speaks to me on a level that few modern game do. It has a lot of gems and nuances, but *it wants you dead* and doesn't care about you. Compare that to Todd's fantasy of "Become the leader of everything because you are here. Yay well done player!" It's night and day. Anyway thanks Zaric, I don't think I ever would have given it a shot without this video, or some of your old clips.
Copy-right isn't selling-right. You're correct that, I, personally don't see any moral problem with it however there is a legal problem. People in the past have been taken to court over this, for mods, yes.
It's frustrating to see situations like this happen. It's like Halo CE and its shitty PC port by Gearbox; a poor job was done and it became part of the reputation of the game undeservedly.
Sorry Zaric but I seriously think this is on glue-eating RU-vidrs not comprehending the idea of a modded game rather than GoG. They literally include the list of mods they've included on it's GoG page. This all comes across as extremely condescending.
The most bizarre issue I had when placing this on a low end computer that merely disabling Dream didn't fully resolve the frame rate issue, for some godforsaken reason the GOG cut has this hideous motion blur effect that can't easily be disabled without manually tampering with configuration files.
Remember when I said that Daggerfall unity and the modern Community as a whole are like a living thing? The modern version of Daggerfall Unity actually supports changing visual effects in game. I don't remember if this is actually supported by the GOG cut or not, but I can tell you that there is a clear time when it wasn't supported by DFU, and now it is. In other words the GOG cut will likely always be behind the times and that assuming they keep it (semi) up to date at all.
@@Zhakaron It's an odd instance where I felt like the GOG Cut was generally more convenient than just copying my setup from a different PC, but in execution was just a big hassle.
I just started my second playthrough of Witcher 3 after it got a new-gen update and can 100% agree that mods, if added, should all come with it's own checkbox to not only inform the player what exacly is different, but also to just give us an option to play the game the old way, the new way or a mix of two. I am happy that there are people who care for what some would call "a small inconvenience" when in reality it's a drop of water that drills a rock.
I don't personally think Dream as it is too well because of upscaled textures and some overly detailed ones. I see two interesting ways Daggerfall could be improved with the existing models (perhaps with the addition of trees and minutia): - Handpainted textures, similar to the handpainted 3D models which look very nice. This would probably lead to a more cartoony/Zelda look. - Improved pixel art. Some of the pixel art in the base game is good, but I've seen a few mods that not only add missing art (like reused assets), but improve it. This would be more akin to pixelated Minecraft texture packs, which can change the whole mood of the game without sacrificing visual consistency. And like I said before, some simple things like 4-sided plane trees (which there is one mod that implements it) give the game such a big boost in charm that I think one could go about improving it without having to aim for unachievable "photorealistic" graphics. Also seeing how there are a few mods coming out for 3D characters gives me hope we can get nice low poly pixelated 3D characters.
Actually the dream author has recommended mods to download alongside dream on his nexus mod page with links and also has presets for each one already installed in the main files. He does recommend hand painted textures, improved dungeons, etc. It looks much more graphically consistent with all his recommendations.
@@abstr4cted496 yeah, and I still don't like the result. I've played Daggerfall both with Dream + good mods to go along with it as well as without + low poly/pixel art mods. I simply found the latter more charming, trying less hard to look "realistic" and more so with an intentional art style.
In this video you state that Daggerfall has a background political mechanic. What is this mechanic? I can't find anything on it online and haven't noticed it in my game.
Ask any peasant for rumors, the faction relationships are always shifting based on a table of events that will happen independent of player action. Your connection to any of those factions will influence how other factions view you proportiantly based a myriad of factors.
@@Zhakaron Do these background events and dialogue have any effect on a player's game beyond sometimes peasants saying "These people are fighting!"? I supposedly have a mod that has them fight out in the wild, but I haven't seen this.
These are not physical events that happen in the world, they are a measure of what is happening under the hood with the reputation system. If you wonder why someone who was neutral to you now hates you, perhaps you have the wrong friends. If someone suddenly loves you, perhaps you have the right enemies.
You know the GoG version is not set in stone and you can customize the mods to your liking, right? Everyone is free to disable the mods they don't like or add additional content to the game.
When preservation and modernization are both goals, you get this I guess Ask anyone who mods what they consider "Essential mods" Good luck getting a clear answer, leave it up to each person to make that call
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643 Yeah, see, that's where things get spicy. You didn't call it a 4gb mod, you called it a 4gb patch. Likewise, there are community patches out there for games. Normally I wouldn't care about semantics, but if we are going the route that patches = mods, then the developers are just modding their game post-release, too. If I need to contest this, then I'll change my phrase to "only the mods designed to optimize the game and remove bugs, like a developer would/should". Altering the gameplay beyond that is never essential, even if the majority prefers a mod over the original. The second you change the intended gameplay experience is the second you've gone into subjective territory.
@@jesfest it's user created, so i still consider it a mod even if it functions as a patch. if it was dev created, then i'd consider it just a post-release update patch or even DLC, depending on size and content.
I wish GOG had another version of the Ultima games besides DOS. Those were some of my least favourite versions. They look ugly like most DOS games of that time. At least the Apple versions knew the limitations of the graphics and stuck with a simple palate that was mostly just white, and the Avatar didn't look like Ernie from Sesame Street.
I find it surprising that they threw in all these mods like DREAM without informing newer players that these mods need to be configured to work together correctly.
Just for some insight, the mods are already configured to work together with the GOG install according to the DREAM instructions. They aren't just the mods installed and nothing else, presets and options are done.
Same it made my character auto speed run thought my gaming was bugged I didn’t understand it I just wanted to fast travel like normal Daggerfall so I also turned it off that shouldn’t have been included in fact it should start with all mods disabled but pre installed so the user can decide what mods they want active.
What person in their right mind would want to download a game already modded for them? Half the fun of games with mods is picking and choosing which to install, then spending 12 hours trying to figure out why the thing keeps crashing.
You are saying this as if manually modding a game doesn't end up with 12+ hours of trying to figure out what's broken. At least with modpacks, if they are done properly, the mods tend to vibe with each other.
Yeah I was pretty unimpressed with the gog cut, but I still like that it's in my GOG library. I mean I've linked my main DFU to my steam version of Daggerfall, but that doesn't feel as authentic as downloading a working version of DFU on a game launcher like GOG
What do you mean? It'll be a complete product for you to download whenever you want. It's open source software meaning that once the developer is done working on it, other people can take that source code and then build upon it in ways that they want, this is referred to as forking the project. It is possible, as long as they abide by the license agreement to make full products for sale out of Open Source engines, provided of course they remove all of the Bethesda copyrighted content and replace it with their own. There are several commercial games you can buy in stores that are based off of the open source GZDoom engine.. As for us humble Daggerfall players, as long as somebody out there hosts a Daggerfall Unity download link, which GitHub is happily doing for us, we can download and play it. That simple.
I think mod packs can be good but the implementation is often terrible. A lot of the time when I was playing Minecraft with my friends using mod packs, we often had like no idea what we were doing or what anything was. Things were very weirdly put together and there was basically no useful documentation. There's a joke that my friend made about how now that they have finally added copper to vanilla Minecraft mod authors don't have to add 50,000 different homebrew copper ores. Compare this to certain Wabbajack mod packs for Skyrim. FGModlists for instance has well documented and generally quite well explained mod packs for Skyrim and one for Morrowind that makes the game a lot prettier (though it does change styling so not for everyone) as well as coming with the tools to apply community patches. And Wabbajack modlists also download from the actual modding website and can give you an opportunity to actually read what you're putting in, while also giving you the convenience of not having to troubleshoot and configure everything in a 900 mod list lol So yeah they can save you a lot of headache if for instance you're way more tentative about spending a lot of time troubleshooting mods (I spent like 90 times more time modding than playing), but a lot of the time they be horribly implemented.
"I spent like 90 times more time modding than playing" Sounds just like my experience with Skyrim on PC./ Most of my time is spent installing mods and trying to get them to work nicely together then being too tired afterwards to play. Modded Skyrim is the peak experience but my god it's a rough journey getting there.
Dude get to the frickin point. I know what DRM is, I know how it works, and what GOG is. None of that is relevant as to whether or not the GOG cut is good or bad or why people should or should not play it for their first try at the game. It's about 8 minutes before you start to talk specifically about the GOG Cut of the game exclusively. It's fine that you know plenty about these topics, but the video is about a specific thing, so you should get right into it. If this sounds mean, that was not my intention, but I know how bad I can be about getting off topic. Just a tip for the future.
If you download all your games from steam onto external hard drives. You have physical copies. Put steam into offline mode. Hook the drive up and play. The games that wont work like this are the ones that require 3rd party launchers. Basically Ubisoft and others like it. Or games that require a online connection. I would need like 5tbs of external hard drive space to download all my games.
Steam in offline mode is a great thing that I've used on various trips. There are logistical issues with keeping a copy of steam in offline mode forever however that you will eventually run into. The software wasn't made to work this way.
@@Zhakaron As long as your external drives aren't plugged in you can put steam online. I'm just saying if you got a game you dont want to update it's on a drive then put steam offlinem
@@Zhakaron I hate this whole digital PC gaming crap. My PC dosent even have a rom drive. It's why I'm starting to buy games for the switch in physical copies. Because I own that copy. It's also why I'm considering buying old hardware like a xbox 360. Still lots of good games on the 360 I've never played.
Steam offline mode doesn't always work. I've had it requiring me to log in at the worst time when I needed to use if offline before. Also when your OS isn't supported anymore by the launcher, then the offline mode doesn't help, even if you would only need to log in once for it to be useable. People who use unsupported OS-es are always the minority, I know.
That would drive me batty nutso for sure. Im so damn particular about my mod loadouts when it comes to bethesda games. Every little detail really matters. I personally prefer a more vanilla experience *most* of the time. Any mods i get are just additive things, like new clothes, new lore accurate weapons and armor, maybe new locations that are lore accurate and all that. And when i do add things that tread the line, theres a lot of thought put into it. Do i use this, or does it break the feel i want? Its why i hate modpacks personally. Theres so many mods in the lists usually that im just personally fine without. And while it may take me a week to fully assemble a working loadout that im happy with, its well worth it. So taking the GOG cut and doing what they did with it... My god. If i didnt know for some ungodly reason, or if i just wanted to start somewhere recommended, expecting an 'updated vanilla experience' and then later discovered it was far from it? Oof. Just oof. EDIT: Also i did want to point out that its not just daggerfall that benefits from a very good and proper mod loadout. And while i know its insenuated, most people never really think it fully through. If youre playing fallout 4, and youre experiencing frequent crashes. Its very likely because of your mod loadout. The same can be said with New Vegas, and Fallout 3, and likely even the other elder scrolls games. Ive been using the same FO4 modbuild for about 3 years now, and in that time, ive crashed maybe 3 or 4 times. (That said, i did hit the VATS bug, and could never fix that. :/)
man, i finally refound your channel. It was lost to me for about a year, when I had to get a new computer. And BOOM. your channel gives me an answer for a retro game I wanted but had problems...RIGHT OFF the bat. For people who don't know, THIS GUY "Zaric" is great and is a genius. He tells the TRUTH about games that are "popular" but have problems. And a great gamer. Hard to accomplish his succesfful tactics and game play
