this ones funny cuz the only way people can say this is if they refuse to accept him as a JL Founder. like guys superman & wonder woman would not allow an anti hero as a founding member.
He's a byronic hero. A rather tragic and stoic kind of hero. Emphasis on "hero". Despite his trauma and inner turmoil and rather cold and sometimes brutish demeanour, he is a man who tries as much as he can to do the right thing.
Batman is brusk, but not heartless, aggressive but not unetheical, Quiet yet compassionate. Superman's arch-nemesis is Lex Luthor, a greedy billionaire who chooses to let the world burn, but Superman's brother is Batman who is a selfless billionaire who chooses to give checks to orphanages so they won't suffer the same fate as he has.
@@rowandunning6877where did he say criminal? Also, a “selfless criminal” is not an oxymoron because these two words don’t have opposite/contradictory meanings. There are people who commit crimes to help others.
Even this take is garbage, because while Frank's crusade on war is based on vengeance and his hatred of criminals, it is primarily because he hates the innocent being harmed. He literally feels and empathizes the most with women and children because that's what crime took from him. There are several comics where Frank comforts multiple children as well as women.
@@OverlordZenith Well that's not a very good example. That's like me using issues of Batman killing people in his first appearances. Ignoring the fact that he has gone through many different character changes just like Frank.
The haphazard Wolfman/Perez/Jurgens/Johns fusion adaptations says it all. If anything we need to really get proper Titan adaptations starting from the Bob Haney base 5 and going from there...just adapt the stories in a Post-Crisis manner and then bring it up to the Johns' run naturally (though they can skip the Helfner run...that's the comic equivalent of TTG)
I know it's often used as a joke, but I hate the false equivalency people make when they point out that "Batman doesn't kill, but he does [BLANK]" Cripple, brutalize, torture, mentally scar, my favourite example was one time I heard someone unironically say he "breaks bones," like yeah a few weeks in a cast is definitely as bad as being fucking dead. Like it's such a desperate and non-sensical gotcha. Like, yes, he does inflict serious and often long-lasting physical and psychological damage to criminals, that's not the same as killing, that doesn't make him a hypocrite. Just because Batman vows to operate non-lethally doesn't mean he's gonna prop up some pillows for the goons who are TRYING TO KILL HIM.
He doesn't even really do that half the time. I feel like everyone just saw Arkham combat and assumed that's just how Batman fights on a regular basis in the comics which it really isn't. There's been a few times but very rarely. Yes, he's certainly strong enough to cripple a dude, this a guy that can fight Bane, but he also has more than enough control to pull his punches.
That was a line in the dark night someone said Batman you broke his arm. Bataman responds he is young it will heal. Hes right its not as bad it injure someone as it is to kill them
honestly I have no idea why so many filmmakers and writers despise the fact that bruce at his core is a dad. finding out he has a found family is what made me pick up the comics in the first place, so like it's high time we got an adaptation for him and his family fr
I think that the last few Directors have wanted a grounded Batman. There is nothing grounded about a Robin. He makes a lot of good points about Batman and his relationship to robin but as soon as you apply even a bit of real world logic, it is nothing but irresponsible to fight crime with a child by your side. Damien is maybe the only one you can excuse because he is an assassin so is already in that world and if not a robin would probably be a monster but the rest, it just would not really make any sense.
@extonjonas6820 If we can make a man jumping around rooftops and beating up clowns grounded, we can make a kid dressed in a carnival tent grounded. It's not hard. Like, the comics have done it for years. One of the best ways it was done was in The Dark Knight Returns, where Carrie was inspired by Batman and went out to do what he does. When, by happenstance, she finds batman getting his snot kicked in, she helps him and nurses his wounds. Or Tim Drake, who wouldn't stop putting himself in danger to help people, so Batman decided to rigorously train him so he wouldn't get himself killed. A combination of these would be a perfect onscreen Robin imo. This wouldn't be hard to adapt. Like, at all.
@officialpoppyperson I guess we have different levels of what is grounded. A serial killer being a clown is not far-fetched. However, even slightly reasonable adult putting a child in that kind of danger is just bad. You stop seeming like an eccentric do gooder and start to seem delusional. Imagine if in the real world someone started acting like a Batman. Some people might get on board. But the moment it was discovered he was doing it with a child, pretty much everyone would write him off as a lunatic. I am not saying it would be hard to do, but in something likr the Nolanverse? yeah, that would be hard to buy into, in my opinion
@@extonjonas6820 while I agree that it's a bit hard to ground a robin, it's also very funny that out of all the batman adaptations, the one I actually could see adopting a kid is matt reeves', who made a very grounded batman so idk. at least he and pattinson don't actually hate robin unlike nolan and bale, so they're okay in my books even with the grounded batman approach
I hate the "batman made his criminals" or "batman not killing criminals is wrong" opinion because for the no kill rule, he is working with police and it's not his job to play Judge and jury with criminals. And for making his criminals, without batman, those criminals would be worse for gotham
Zoey, cops and batman don't even have an authority to kill him, especially batman. If the cops do kill them, they won't get in full trouble but it's their job to uphold the law
@KyleFriend-s5x have you seen real-life situations where killers or people who hurt cops still get arrested, even if they hurt cops. And batman is working with the gcpd and is good friends with gordan(the Commissioner) and Red Hood Plays Judge jury. Which the cops and especially batman can't do
@@Yourmoms_favouriteboyfriendlolbruh even though reading is really good for the brain, improving memory, vocabulary and comprehension of words and languages. Ik your joking but come on man
The one thing i'm so tired of, and you nailed it in the video is we've only been getting one type of Batman, the solo hero in a grounded universe, without other heroes, or a family to help him, and with villains that are scaled down for the world. The one that's a outlier is DCEU Batman, and that's a damn shame of a option. DCU Batman is are only hope. Also, the Batman is a fascist and beats up the poor and insane people, and doesn't help Gotham. That one got brought up again due to The Boys with Tek Knight with Erik Kripke's interview putting that in the spotlight... again.
"He beats up poor people" lmao. They act like Bats is dealing with the average mugger trying to feed his family. In reality, 9/10 times he's dealing with homicidal maniacs who get paid VERY WELL and have insane arsenals of weapons that are supplied by even BIGGER and often superpowered homicidal maniacs!😂😂
He is a loner. Just watch mask of the phantasm. Batman can never have normal relationships with people. That's the price and the burden of being batman. He is always afraid to be attached to people out of fear they will be gone just like his parents. That's very much established in the comics
@@jhngrg8132 Except for the fact that he has about 6 Robins, 4 Batgirls, 3 other miscellaneous sidekicks, an entire league of Hero's, works with the GPD, etc etc
@@finh8895 the concept of the bat family is a very problematic and lame concept that only makes sense if those d list superheroes appear at the end of batman's career. I don't like modern batman nor the batman of the silver age so... Yea not bat family for me. Robin is cool though
@@jhngrg8132 With respect, Batman comics don't go off what you think is lame, the fact of the matter is he has this expanded family, he has candy in his belt to give to kidnap victims or to Robins on long stakeouts, these are not the actions of an antisocial loner.
LMAOOO you saw the 37 joker bombs tweet . Like that comic making fun of batman saying he is a psycho who doesn't even pay alfred enough money to live in a shitty apartment and instead is forced to be a slave to bruce was so fucking stupid.
Bro, that take is so out of pocket. Alfred is Bruce's father for all intents and pourposes. He is there cause he loves Bruce. I am telling u, twitter is crazy.
That's why I don't want Matt Reeves Batman integrated into the DCU. He wouldn't fit with the more fantastical side of Batman. I like the idea of an Arkham Batman with the new Superman, not too young or old like Affleck version was. We'll be getting a Batman with a preistablished Batfamily, hopefully with Nighgwing, Batgirl, and Red Robin running around while Batman raises Damien. Keep Reeves separate so the mainstream audience has a grounded Batman and the comic guys can finally see a Batman stand amongst the Justice League. In all honesty when Batfleck formed the team he really didn't do much alongside them. So, let's get a Batman who befirneds Supeeman and has a black and blue suit please
People saying Batman should kill is ridiculous. Bruce saw his parents killed in front of him. And because of that, he avoids killing and will always find a way to defeat the enemy. If he starts killing he'll be the very thing that killed his parents, a murderer. Also, people saying Batman doesn't help gotham isn't a true batman fan. It has been shown multiple times that bruce helps gotham a lot with having care centers for the poor.
Right! Whenever he’s in his Bruce Wayne persona, he’s *Always working*! Attending charity events, organizing charity events, keeping Wayne Enterprises running etc. not every problem can be solved by throwing money at it
One of my favorite compassionate Batman moments is during the Long Halloween part 1 movie, when he brought Solomon Grundy a plate Thanksgiving dinner. He didnt HAVE to do that at all, but he did. Just to do something nice for his enemy. THAT is Batman.
I make jokes that Batman is emotionally constipated but they’ll never convince me he doesn’t care about people. He stayed with Ace when she died per her request, he made sure Harley had a change of clothes in BTAS and sympathized with her having a bad day, sacrificed his own life for his children more then once, etc.
@@mayotango1317 Out of character my ass, Bruce had his childhood taken from him similar to Ace. In that moment, he was the only one that understood what she went through, thus earning her trust. Superman wasn't even there, and if he couldn't calm Ace's mind, her death would've killed a lot of people.
It's funny about the "Batman recruits child soldiers" is that the only time he did actively search for a sidekick was with Dick and that was after his parents were killed and he had nowhere to go. Almost every other time, Batman is pretty hesitant in accepting a new member in the Batfamily, and its usually the Robins/Batgirls themselves that pushes him to actually make them his sidekick. Like he flat out said no to Tim because he remembered what happened to Jason and even with Jason, he was kinda uncertain about him when they first met.
I think this argument comes from All star batman and Robin, where batman says to Robin that he was drafted into a war, which makes me think this is even older
@@plasticweapon Semantics? That's what actually happened. Did you read the comic where Batman refused to take Jason in to be his new Robin until he saw how he stopped Man-bat, or do you get your takes from randos on the internet who repeats the same rhetoric with no knowledge on the source?
“Plot armor man” is one of the worst. when we have characters like Lois Lane and MJ who somehow put themselves in retarded situations just because they “know” everytime they’ll be saved. And those same people will glaze Spider-Man saying he could solo the flash because of “spidey sense” or “if he stopped holding back”.
“Batman only beats up poor people” Falcone, Penguin (in some adaptations), Simon Stagg, the court of owls and countless other rich Batman Villains: are we a joke to you
One thing I geniunely don't get is why NOBODY ELSE kills the Joker. I get why Batman doesn't, but you're telling me no civilian in Gotham who has been traumatized by the clown wouldn't grab a gun and just shoot him? The Joker is just a guy! He's not bulletproof!
The only reason Joker still exist and keep breaking out is because the DC need to make money. There are tons of ways Batman can stop Joker’s rampage without outright killing him.
Joker is one of the smartest villains who can outwit Batman. He has a large gang and a huge influence on gotham's crime world. He is very rich. If anyone steps up to him, he easily find out where their family lives and send guys over there. He also has a lot of police and government officials on his payroll. Klling the joker isn't as easy as you make it seem.
It is important to understand Joker's intelligence, which is often overlooked and underestimated. Despite his chaotic behavior, the Joker possesses a sharp mind that enables him to outsmart even the most brilliant individuals. He excels in scheming, devising intricate plans, and exploiting the weaknesses of others. The Joker is a master strategist who carefully plans his actions to achieve his desired outcomes. He thoroughly analyzes the strengths, weaknesses, and psychological vulnerabilities of his opponents, allowing him to exploit their flaws for his own advantage. Additionally, he possesses a deep understanding of human psychology, which he skillfully uses to manipulate individuals by capitalizing on their fears, insecurities, and desires. The Joker's unpredictability, stemming from his unique psychosis, makes him a highly dangerous villain in the DC universe, often staying one step ahead of Batman and others. His intelligence is evident by the fact that he is one of the few villains who can keep up with and comprehend the plans of Lex Luthor, who is considered one of the smartest individuals on the planet. This shows Joker's potential to become an even greater threat if he were to focus on evolving beyond his obsession with Batman.
I am so sick of the grounded Batman, IT'S OVERDONE! GIVE ME MY ANIMATED SERIES BATMAN IN LIVE ACTION! People complained when the Robert Pattinson Batman wouldn't be in the DCU, but I think it's for the better, I cannot see Superman and Wonder Woman in a world with a grounded and realistic Batman. Keep him dark and bad ass but please for the love of God, if these people just watched the Animated Series, Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, The Batman (2004-2008), or played the Arkham Series, they would see that a dark and bad ass Batman can work in a fantasy setting! My big hope is that James Gunn doesn't make Batman a big joke and just makes a Modern Day Adam West Batman because that would not only be stupid, but it would essentially be saying that Batman cannot be taken seriously unless you make grounded, realistic, and an angry sour Puss. You can have a bad ass and dark Batman that's also kind, hopeful, and even funny at times. The perfect Batman to look at is The Animated Series Batman, that is the Batman James Gunn and Andy Muschietti need to bring to the big screen; and maybe then it would kill these dumbass takes on Batman.
Bane is the only villain Batman created and thats only cause Bane just wants to fight him. Bane when written properly like Spiderman with Venom doesn't care about anything else he doesn't rob banks or go on killing sprees of innocent people ( he has a no kill rule regarding women and children) he just likes fighting batman thats it
@@MILDMONSTER1234same for some versions of Killer Moth. He thought Batman's "costume and gadgets" schtick was cool and he wanted to have that too, for crime. 🦋
Some takes have gotten so mind numbing I’ve had people argue to me that Batman is a Human trafficker and participates in Child labor, purely because he has Robins. Some people just need to do better.
I like how you brought up Batman the animated series episode called “Trial” proved that Batman did not creat any of his villains. Basically the gist is that there is this lawyer who wants Gotham to be ride of Batman. The villains kidnapped Batman and took over Arkham Asylum and forced the lawyer to represent Batman in defence. She than asks multiple villains on the stand to tell their story and prove each telling that they were in the wrong. She than sees that Batman did not creat his and that they created Batman. Even the villains admit it and try to kill them anyways. She then sees that they were all sick people that would have existed regardless if Batman was there or not and have succeeded in there plans if it weren’t for Batman. She than thanks Batman for everything that he has done but for one day to ride the city of crime and for one day to be no reason for a hero so he can be happy and Batman shacks her hand and simples to that. I could even make a Laundry list of every villain and prove Batman wasn’t responsible for any of they’re creation. Edit: yo M Enterprise I think you have a video idea 😂
I don't like that people think he's just always dark and brooding, and just completely ignore that nicer side to him. The side that tries his best to be a good father figure to his adopted children and children he's saving. The campy side that goes on fun adventures. Not everything has to be so dark and gritty all the time. And on that note, not everything has to be grounded and realistic
I agree. If Batman was real, he would probably be crazy. But in the world of DC, he is necessary. What people don't realize is that Gotham isn't just corrupt. Gotham is literally cursed because of a ritual with a demon in the 1600s. If I remember correctly, a cult tried to summon a demon, but Gordon's great great grandfather stopped the cult before they could finish the ritual. The demon got angry and cursed the earth Gotham was built on. I think the name of this comic was Gotham cursed earth, or cursed soil, or something like that.
One of the worst opinions I have ever heard about Batman is that he isn't that smart as a scientist, physician, inventor/innovator, and tactician/strategist. Batman is a scientist if anyone says different THEY'RE LYING as they've only paid attention to the Nolan Trilogy or the mediocre like the Telltale games and Earth One comic. Batman is Doctor Doom without magic. A man is a virtual Encyclopedia of Knowledge in about everything. He created a vaccine to an alien virus when no one else could. Created a virus that can liquefy the nearly invulnerable Plastic Man. Recreated the Lazarus Pit in the Batcave. Created the Son Box which is more advanced than both mother and father boxes and it can read a person's heart to know their intentions. Created the Insider Suit with all the founding JL member's abilities. Cured Poison Ivy Created a cloning machine and perfected memory transferring. Designed the schematics for a time machine and had Flash build it at superspeed. Designed and created Brother Eye AI with Mr Terrific. Performed neurological surgery on Two-Face Showcasing his medical physician/surgeon prowess. Created a universal translator Build the supercomputer known as the Batcomputor Took one look at a bullet and correctly determined that it was fired back in time. In the DCAU he designed and built the JL Watchower Designed and built a teleporter in the Batcave Designed and built the Justice Buster mech There is more as this only SCRATCHES THE SURFACE with all of Batman’s scientific feats let alone his intellectual prowess. Batman’s real life counterpart would be William James Sidis. Sidis Iq was between 250-300. Now imagine if Sidis learned from the best scientist, engineers, Occultist, acrobats, pilots, physicians/surgeons, mathematicians, shinobi spy/assassins, detectives, samurai, Shaolin warrior monks, weight trainers, nutritionist and SOF operators that would be Batman.
Yeah, about that “without magic” part, he has that now too. He’s not throwing around spells or anything, but he did learn enough to protect himself from magic users.
I am fine with Batman being a genius detective, master martial artist, expert intimidator, and professional actor. But Batman being smart at EVERYTHING is bad writing.
"Now imagine if Sidis learned from the best scientist, engineers, Occultist, acrobats, pilots, physicians/surgeons, mathematicians, shinobi spy/assassins, detectives, samurai, Shaolin warrior monks, weight trainers, nutritionist and SOF operators that would be Batman." This is why i laugh at the idea of anyone calling batman "relatable" 💀
@@petermj1098agreed, people tell me that Iron Man in EMH shouldn't be too smart or MCU Tony is a Gary Stu, but look at what Batman is allowed to get away with. He is my top 5 hero but he is given too much and is glazed to insanity.
The Joker is 6'5" & 191lbs in canon yet rarely is it drawn tht way & it pisses me off. Joker's speed, length, unpredictability, & inhuman pain tolerance are the reasons why Joker is a formidable threat at H2H CQC vs most. Plus, hving Batsy as ur usual sparring partner tends to help one's fighting skills. Iron sharpens Iron
Its funny how people take issue with a physically competent joker when really he was always good at fighting ever since the beginning even in the animated series
@MILDMONSTER1234 thank you for getting it. Tall & skinny crazy dudes are dangerous af. Even my b!tch@$$ at 6'3" & 175lbs had lots of fun scrapping back in the day when men could fight & win or lose, no one had to get guns or blades. I've earned a lot of respect over the years by getting beat up. Lol Joker @ 6'5" & crazy as anyone ever, someone who enjoys pain as much as inflicting it on others. The most important thing that fans forget is that The Joker is so fast that Batman has complemented Joker's speed (running speed & fighting speed) & reaction time since 1940 in countless issues. Killing Joke is just spin by The Joker himself, cuz J was always a criminal genius, genius chemist, & so funny & suave that the ladies love him; and an Ace Chemicals bath 🛁 didn't & couldn't have done that to any human
Joker has just as many gadgets as batman, even his own equivalent of the batmobile, and I hate when he just uses a knife or immediately gets destroyed when he has way more effective weaponry.
For me, one of the worst takes not only of Batman but of DC in general is "Oh, Nightwing is like Batman and Superman", no, Nightwing is Nightwing, stop trying to relate his morality and identity to other characters, Nightwing is someone independent of Batman and Superman, you don't need either of them to define Nightwing, he doesn't act like Batman, he doesn't think like Batman, he's not Batman, he doesn't think like Superman, he doesn't act like Superman, he's not Superman, he's Nightwing, he thinks like Nightwing and acts like Nightwing. It makes me angry because Nightwing's entire arc is about Grayson searching for his own identity, his own personality, but nooo, DC fans always want to compare him to Superman and Batman and say that he is a "fusion of the best of both", which ...no, Nightwing is not and will never be like both, because that is precisely why Nightwing became. Idk, I just don’t like that, I would like more people to try to see Nightwing as Nightwing, not as someone else.
I dont like the "Robins are child soldiars" argument. But it does have some legs to it when Jasons Memorial case (and Bruces fav whipping post) as a plaque enscribed "a good soldiar" rather than a "good son". Which is another whole jar for the 'wasted narrative potential' that is Jason Todd, but i digress. In saying that, Doug Moench and his "beats joker to a pulp while high on fear gas and yelling jasons name" batman is always my fav for batman being a dad content!
My favorite Batman moment is in Young Justice where he sees Robin feels neglected because of how much he mentors Aqualad as leader of the team, so he grabs Robin to play basketball and calls it training. Batman doesn't see his kids as soldiers. He sees them as kids. And that makes him a better character in my eyes.
Two questions should be given to those with the whole "Bruce should use his money to help Gotham instead of being Batman." If he did, 1. Do you think he has enough money for such a sprawling city like Gotham? and 2. How much of that money would go into the corrupt systems and line the pockets of people ruining the city in the first place?
The prep time/Bat-God is by the worst yet also justified at the same time. He can more or less just exist on his own outside of DC and yet in a world full of metahumans he has to be portrayed as more then a man to even justify his existence on the Justice League yet in some cases some of his modern feats just are completely overdone like surviving atmospheric re-entry in just his normal suit and surviving the impact of his body smashing against the ground from said re-entry (He began inside the Watchtower which exploded with him inside of it; Watchtower is in outer space FYI), or the single most absurd feat is taking Green Lantern's ring off of his finger while he was using said ring to keep Batman away from him with a literal force field with Batman firmly outside the force field that was holding back the likes of Superman and was unaware Batman actually took the ring off of his finger while he was actively using the ring (again, Batman literally outside the force field.) Having contingency plans for literally everything possibly imaginable which has more or less become a plot device at this point or in some cases a tool for writers to get themselves out of a corner they wrote themselves into. This also by proxy makes him ever actually losing on the streets of Gotham completely dumb as if he can beat literal gods that can create and destroy universes then why is street criminals giving him a hard time and outsmarting him at times? Or like when he just randomly pulls out a Justice Buster armor out of thin air with absolutely no build up?
After Damien's death, Batman was in rage and broke a human traffickers arms in a way they would be permanently damaged. And that treated as unusually ruthless and out of character for Batman in the story. So he normally doesn't hurt or break people more than he needs to.
Seeing the director of The Boys TV show calling Batman a fascist who hunts down poor people (and Superman a white supremacist) made me know the show ain't all that even though I still like it to some degree. He was the worst thing about the show.
There's RU-vidrs like ClassicManD that constantly rags on Batman lol. Not the biggest fan of his Batman takes. I argue that he kick-started the trend of Batman hate (I say this was all due respect bcause I still do like his content).
This "deconstruction of Batman" approach is becoming frustratingly nonsense. It's baffling folks blame Batman for the reason that his villains exist. - Ras Al Ghul is a nigh-immortal 500+ years eco terrorist. - Mr. Freeze is motivated due to the love of his wife, desperation and Ferris Boyle assaulting him. - Riddler is a egocentric jerkwad who seeks attention because daddy never respected his intellect and abused him. - Two-Face had psychological baggage then got scarred when he went after the mob during a trial. - Penguin is just some greedy tubby dude in a top hat whose family either fell from wealth due to financial negligence or just grew up poor. - Joker had a crap life partially because of the city and due to his own idiocy. He was a chemist who quit his job to become a comedian, something he had no talent for and had no demand for because he had no audience because again he had no talent. So instead of keeping his chemist job he just up and quit and failed at the thing he was bad at then decided to get into bed with the mob to help make ends meet. Dude was a loss cause long before Batman. - Clayface is an actor who killed people because they were remaking his movies. - Catwoman is the result of a mobster's infidelity and the city's lack of empathy for the downtrodden. - Ventriloquist was the son of mobsters whose parents were killed in front of him when he was a boy and he couldn't cope with the trauma and developed DID in the form of him communicating his violent tendencies through a puppet. Get out of here with that "Batman is the direct correlation for the creation of these criminals". The argument of "he assaults the mentally ill" is such a farce of an argument. What is Batman supposed to do? These villains are often committing either mass murders, serial killings or terrorist level threats on the city that the cops are either to corrupt or to ill equip to deal with it. He can finance the cops but if they're corrupt what's he gonna do finance the cops he knows that are corrupt? At least Batman makes an effort to take down his rogues non-fatally. Then folks get mad that he does that. It's not Batman's responsibility to kill people. He's not a police officer who may take lethal force as an option. Batman, like most superheroes, is a firefighter. He put out a disaster as it occurs. Yeah its weird he fights crime with kids if you think of it from a real world logic. It's reckless endangerment, its child soldiers, etc. But if you are already in the head space then you might as well think its weird he has the whole Batman gimmick at all. Wouldn't it be more practical if he dropped the schtick, went out in armor and a sniper rifle and just pick off criminals and call it a day? Which is more or less the Punisher and even he doesn't get the job done because despite being at it for 50 years crime still isn't magically clean in New York. You can apply some degree of realism to your funny books but at the end you also need to embrace they are funny books otherwise they are not fun books to read.
It’s not weird that he recruits kids as Robins because his intent is to make them crimefrighters but not ones that turn out like him. Every Robin joined voluntarily anyway.
The only one you can argue for is the Joker. Since it's shown many times in the comics that he'd just shut down if Batman wasn't around anymore. But even then that's 1 criminal.
@@kitothekito915 it's weird from a realistic perspective that he has children doing this. However in terms of being in comic books is perfectly acceptable because the idea is that this is basically their therapy. Most of them improve some of them there's unfortunate relapse from writer to writer: characters like Jason Todd and Damian Wayne keep relapsing into being jerks. But otherwise there's good stuff going on with characters like Cassandra Cain.
@@oliveragag8576 but that's because more of the metaverse influencing the writing. Because writers like to treat joker as if he's some kind of end-all-be-all force of nature to Batman. When in reality he's another costume flunky just like any of the rest of them. Writing that tries to make him inherently more special because of the influence of pop culture. You can write a very compelling story with any number of characters. But because he has such a pop cultural resonance he tends to get more preferential treatment.
@@ToonGrin No, it's more about Joker being obsessed with Batman so if Batman ever went away Joker would lose the object of his obsession and just shut down.
My own hot take on Batman is about who his succesors should be. Personally i think Cassandra Cain is the best succesor to the mantle. Though I think Damian should also be Batman. I think if Bruce dies in action, it should be a Dick for a bit then Damian but if he retires it should be Cassandra as Batwoman and Damian as Batman. Then eventually Terry Mcginnis succeeds Damian.
I think dick would be a great batman but it would mess him up mentally so bad...cassandra is overall my favourite pick for the whole successor debacle too!
Im suprised you didnt talk about how one of the writers of the boys tried to say batman was a fascist cause that was a discussion being debunked and memed on rather quickly
1 reason why I just never got into the boys it's 1 thing making a series a about deconstructing the idea of superheroes it's another trying to ruin something alot of people like because your a manchild
Even The Joker he debatably didn’t create. With the character’s origin always being in flux. Even if you believe that Joker was the Red Hood, how and why he was under that helmet is never confirmed. Maybe he was just a poor broke husband on hard times like Hush Returns and Killing Joke give. Maybe he’s a maniacal criminal like in the Golden Age and New 52. Maybe he wasn’t even the Red Hood. To say Batman is the reason for people like Joker, Two-Face, Bane, etc, is complete bs
I agree with most of this to a point, but recent comics have not been consistent in portraying him as a gruff, but caring and heroic character. He's basically a raging asshole who is in dire need of therapy. He's fought the other Robins, even drugged Jason, constantly alienates his teammates, and causes huge problems because he refuses to communicate. He's always had his flaws, but it's gotten to a point where he's not really sympathetic anymore, and I wish the writers would massively dial back on their attempts to make him as miserable and intolerable as possible.
The problem is, that the mainstream media like live action movies want to do Punisher, but Batman is the one that will get them attention for being popular. The best versions of Batman outside comics are found in the cartoons like BTAS from the 90s, The Batman and the Brave and The Bold from the 2000s. Then again, I am very biased and absolutely love the 66 Batman show for emvracing the silly.
Imma be real with y’all. I think some of the choices made with Batman in the DCAU, the relationship with Barbara, the bad fallout with Nightwing, everything that leads into Batman Beyong, helped create the idea that Batman isn’t a good person deep down.
That's genuinely one of the parts of the DCAU I hate. After EVERYTHING he's gone through from BTAS to JLU, Bruce ends up as a sad, bitter lonely old man estraged from the Batfamily and Justice League, along with the creepy implications of Bruce and Barbara knowing each other and having dated once. It's why I prefer future incarnations of Batman from The Batman (TDKR inspired with Nightwing and Oracle) and Brave and the Bold (still teaming up with the Trinity in a Batman mechsuit) because they have a more stable life and is still friendly with the Batfamily and Justice League.
@ntcnetwork9934 As much as I love Batman Beyond, that is one of the few aspects as to why I see it as an Elseworld future. Another reason is Warhawk, who's later revealed to be Hawkgirl and John Stewart's Green Lantern's son. Unless John cheated on Vixen, and he was conceived, which is plausible, but I don't buy it, and Vixen herself was never written to be the generic "third character in a love triangle" and got fleshed out personality wise, so it'd be extremely awful if John actually did that instead. The real DCAU Batman future could be one we've never seen and the Beyond future was averted, probably due to the events of the Season 1 finale of Unlimited and became an elseworld instead, especially with both present and future Bruce seeing and meeting each other.
"Batman hates Superman." This is one I'd love to see torn apart as well, but here's my take. One, if not best friends Bruce and Clark are on good terms at the very least, agree to disagree at _worst._ They have great chemistry as both friends _and_ a team, their personalities in or out of the tights compliment each other, and anyone who says they don't enjoy cute scenes of Alfred shooting the sh!t with Ma and Pa Kent is a _liar._ I could go on, but here's the thing. Even if Batman absolutely hated Superman's guts...dude's still the world's greatest detective, who is both smart enough _and self-aware_ enough to keep his grievances _to himself_ and do everything in his power to make sure he and Superman are on the same page _as well_ as the same side. Because Batman realizes he as well as his cause have more to gain with Superman as an _ally._ Because the last thing _any iteration_ of Batman wants is Superman as an _enemy._
I think the Robin thing stems from some people not being able to suspend their disbelief with him, especially when there are comics and movies that address the absurdity of Robin. Because there’s no actual logical explanation you can provide that justifies Batman sending children out against armed men. It’s inherently an unacceptable act that needs you to suspend your disbelief and accept the idea that children being sent out against armed criminals and supervillains isn’t *that* dangerous
@@aleysibbs2461 it’s not my opinion. I like having Robin, but it’s a fact for why so many people are unaccepting of him. And the same goes for other sidekicks; that’s why they aren’t popular like they used to be
I agree with all of this. I would like to also add(and you probably covered this in your first video) that Bruce Timm’s iteration of Batman and his relationship with Barbara Gordon did not do the character any favors in regard to how he treats his sidekicks. Like for me the animated series Batman would the ideal Batman if not for that, terrible speed bump. Like normally if it’s like one thing that’s out of characterization for a superhero, I can ignore it. But that one is a big oof for me.
One problem I have with Batman is that he keeps locking up the villains in Arkham Asylum’s when Arkham has constantly proved time and time again that it’s not a good prison for villains as they break out of it every week. Why doesn’t he put them in a more secure prison?
There was a storyline in the bronze age involving an obscure but cool villain (the spook) which was a master escapist like hoodini. He was offering Arkham inmates his services for money. But the real reason inmates escape from Arkham is that you cannot have a rogues gallery if your entire roster is always locked up.
Arkham asylum is the most secure prison in Gotham and batman isn’t judge, jury and executioner. He just stops them and tries to fund it, it’s not his fault the city has multiple curses
There's Blackgate, but that's about it. Also, Batman works with the GCPD. Blackgate and Arkham are located in Gotham. They can't send the prisoners elsewhere because the villains commit crimes in Gotham.
My favorite version of Dick’s origins is because Bruce related to Dick he adopted him but didn’t want a sidekick then dick finds the Batcave learns Bruce’s identity then Bruce turns down the sidekick idea then Bruce gets captured by two-face dick save him from the giant Penny catapult the they keep it and he trains as Robin
I hate when people say that Batman and Spider-Man made their villains the only villains they kinda had a hand in are Venom and Joker ( and Joker depends on what story it is) Peter did NOT electrocute Max Dillon Peter did NOT have Norman and Harry drink Goblin syrum Sandman ain't even stunning him Doc Ock got NOTHING to do with him Carnage is a serial killing cannibal Harvey Dent getting his face disfigured was not done by him Pamala blames others for her issues Mr Freeze wants to cure his wife and himself Ras and Talia BEEN trying to purge before HE WAS BORN Johnathan Crane is just twisted ETC
There's a large portion of folks who say Batman "struggles" when facing good hand-to-hand combat fighters thus he doesn't belong in top 10,15, or 20 of combat characters. Yet many facts show he is a top tier fighter. I remember Lady Shiva pointed out she saw Batman as level 12 in combat but it's clear because of his no-kill rule that he is above that or how Ra's called him one of the best fighters in his centries of living. Deathstroke even openly admitting he uses Batman holding back as an advantage of why he can win against Batman as Batman is definitely better than him. But because of Batman not winning fights in quick easy timing like those of Shiva and Richard Dragon, he is not that good...
The worst for me is ‘plot armour’ batman doesn’t have this and it’s basically because he’s human, but people forget that he’s a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and goes by the rules of his universe. Look at the raimi trilogy, aunt may at an old age had a heart attack but healed pretty quickly also holding her own weight at a high building for a while at her age. Harry literally survived a bomb TO THE FACE both as humans… Oh and Spider-Man has plot armour if batman hater logic is established, spider sense warns and sometimes dodges Spider-Man from all if not most attacks, a super power that the writers gave him 💀🤦♀️
Everyone has plot armor but some characters have more plot armor then others. Joker for example has far worse plot armor than Batman and arguably more plot armor then anyone else in DC lol
I think the only Robin you could claim was taken in by Bruce for selfish reasons would be Jason. While he did partially take in Jason because he was a struggling kid, it's also implied in some of those stories that Bruce was feeling lonely after Dick had left and wanted a replacement, and so took in Jason and sort of rushed him into the role of Robin which is something he comes to regret after Jason's death. He still loved and cared for Jason though, his death was a major sticking point for Bruce for YEARS, but I don't think it's a coincidence that Jason basically looks just like Dick in those early post-crisis Jason stories. He was a replacement for Dick in the real world and was a replacement for Dick in universe.
One take that gas always annoyed me is the idea that Bruce doethelp the coty with his money. Like ignoring how Wyane Tech runs the city, Bruce also constantly spends money to help people. In some atories its even shown he cleans up after himaelf. Like was said in this video Bruce isnt the only person in Gotham with money and influence, theres only so much he can do. One thing I've always wondered is how come no crime boss ever tried to have Bruce killed. Like is there a story where Dead Shot is hired to assassinate Bruce Wayne or something like that
The biggest problem that i believe created a great many of these bad takes on batman is that we never exactly see gotham city grow out of corruption. The most well known future is batman beyond that shows just how the problems are exact same, nothing is changed. Whixh is also commented by old bruce wayne to batman in justice league unlimited episide where they go into the future of batman beyond. Gotham itself doesnt evolve as a whole because of tha batman's influence and no matter if you believe it's realistic or not, it means city remains frozen in place, stagnant. The simple reason is that it is writing outlet for such stories. Stories of corruption, violence and injustice. We all know how stagnant comics are, rarely do we get our heroes actually grow with it's audience. No. They are just rebooted 5 times into oblivion and back to square one. That's the state of the comics, yeah that way we can see our beloved characters over and over with different faces, people love to see what they know with just a sprinkle of new. But for the same reason we rarely get to see characters like Terry McGinis. I wpuld love to see a show about batman, that is set in the time period he was created, and slowly as he aged, slowly going into our present(stumbling into 70s and 90s on the way of course) new generations of heroes both those we know and new rise. But we will never get that because sales, markets and suits.
One of the worst misconceptions of Batman is that Catwoman is "tHe OnLy oPtiOn fOr HiM" which is not true. The animated series, the bronce age and The Arkham series are the proof of it. Thank god they didn't marry
Remember the Silver and Bronze Age was Earth-1 Continuity. Bruce of Earth-2 was already married to Selina and had given birth to Helena Wayne by that point. Earth-1 showed that had Talia not been jelly, Bruce would have married Batwoman 1 (Katherine "Kathy" Webb Kane) because he loved her and she actually could participate in the adventures and pose as a "DID" when she really wasn't. They would have had a son named BJ (Bruce Jr)...and oddly he had red hair...I wonder how exactly when Bruce and Kathy are both raven-heads did BJ end up with red, was it dyed to avoid suspicion that Batman had more than just Grayson and Todd as Robins as an inverse of Todd? Or did Dr. Thomas and Martha secretly carry the redhair gene? If Talia wasn't jelly though that would have meant when the timelines converged in 1986 before the 1987 reimaginings...that Helena Wayne and the marriage to Catwoman would have had to been accounted for...which could have easily been resolved, just say that Catwoman was actually Martha Wayne in the golden age (afterall Julie Newmar would later wind up voicing Martha Wayne anyway so why not?) and borrow from Earth-1 Continuity that Dr. Wayne was the golden age Batman and they had three kids, TJ, Helena and Bruce. Helena operated incognito as Huntress after the murder due to the ban on heroics insinuated on Oct. 31, 1951, save for Wonder Woman and Superboy. Make all golden age appearances of Robin just be something Bruce did as a kid and have the murders briefly make him hang up the cape while TJ goes on to become the villainous Owlman, and at some point in the 1940's, Bruce made an Indigenous Friend named Flying Fox who joined the All-Star Squadron with him and they both broke off to Young All-Stars briefly...and as Robin, Bruce is honorary JSA. Then to account for the Batwoman marriage, just have it be that they were married until Talia ultimately did get jelly and end her, but she wasn't intending to end her, she was intending to end Bruce, but the gun misfired horrendously and in front of BJ causing history to repeat itself and make a new Robin between Jason and Tim. Then to account for Golden Age Robin's 70's JSA appearances, just call that "the segue between being Robin and Nightwing" for Grayson after the first Titans split from Coastals and before the New Formation...feeling more comfortable with the JSA than the league at first since a Teen Titan going to the JSA is like "going to your grandparents' house." Or at least that's what it should be.
@@hopefulfriend4163 Batman's relationship with Talia was one that marked me the most, a passionate relationship full of true love and with some conflict. Silver St. Cloud had a healthy and mature relationship with Batman and she would be the best one for him. Nocturna is another of Batman's best love interests, at first it was conflict and she had a better developed mother and son relationship with Jason Todd than the one he has with Catwoman. Zatanna has dreamed of having a life with Bruce and Vice Versa. Black Canary has had romantic feelings for him, in Earth 22 their connection is better explored and how it works better than with Green Arrow or anyone else. The only good thing that came out of Batman's relationship with Catwoman is his daughter, Helena Wayne. From then on I don't see a future for their relationship, and it turns out that now they copy the qualities of other Batman couples in Catwoman to make us believe that she is the only one. which is a complete lie. those who want Catwoman close to Batman is only so that she does not lose her popularity spotlight or because they hate Batman, in short: Batman's relationship with Catwoman is full of betrayal and lust.
@@hopefulfriend4163 Batman's relationship with Talia was one that marked me the most, a passionate relationship full of true love and with some conflict. Silver St. Cloud had a healthy and mature relationship with Batman and she would be the best one for him. Nocturna is another of Batman's best love interests, at first it was conflict and she had a better developed mother and son relationship with Jason Todd than the one he has with Catwoman. Zatanna has dreamed of having a life with Bruce and Vice Versa. Black Canary has had romantic feelings for him, in Earth 22 their connection is better explored and how it works better than with Green Arrow or anyone else. The only good thing that came out of Batman's relationship with Catwoman is his daughter, Helena Wayne. From then on I don't see a future for their relationship, and it turns out that now they copy the qualities of other Batman couples in Catwoman to make us believe that she is the only one. which is a complete lie. those who want Catwoman close to Batman is only so that she does not lose her popularity spotlight or because they hate Batman, in short: Batman's relationship with Catwoman is full of betrayal and lust.
I think the reason Batman gets slander nowadays is cus he's written as annoyingly stubborn and takes drastic measures that just make him look like a villain. Writing Superman as a lost cause in injustice and being partly responsible for the superhero war getting so bad (John Kent called him out for this and Bruce just stayed silent and couldn't retort). I'm probably missing context but in a recent comic he implanted a personality inside Jason Todd that would force him to become a nervous wreck.
Say whatever about BATMAN ‘66, but it did give us the most emotionally stable and mature Bruce Wayne. On the show Bruce had a healthy social life. He regularly dated (Lisa Carson & Miss Kitka). He took his responsibilities as a philanthropist seriously. And most important, he provided a good home for Dick Grayson. Bruce was mentor, guardian, and father to the boy. And it showed. Hell, in the very last episode of the series When a villain assumed that Robin must be Batman's son, Batman stated that though Robin was not his son, he would be proud to call him such.
Two quotes I think about when people started coming out of the woodwork hating on Batman are: "People like to boo greatness". ---The Rock (Hollywood heel circa 2003). "Fine, you either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain". ---Harvey Dent (The Dark Knight).
That's why it pissed me off in the recent movie where the lady candidate came to Bruce and said 'you can be doing better for the city' and I was like what? Almost ruined the movie for me. I am glad that you agree that using money isn't going to help Gotham in the slightest.
Like I kinda get that some of the villains could get properly rehabilitated if given the chance like Freeze or maybe Croc or maybe Dent but what the hell is giving a chance to a freaky little guy who actively thrives on scaring people to death by his nasty gas gonna do 💀
Massive batman fan here. While I love that Batman can (potentially) take down superpowered beings given enough preparation, I hate that so many people go “but prep time” in arguments for why he should be able to defeat absolutely everyone. A lot of people don’t really understand exactly what goes into his preparations in the actual continuity. He doesn’t just look at someone and immediately know every single counter to them. He needs to research, study, and make countermeasures, and that can take a long time. Hell, a lot of times his “prep time” doesn’t even constitute actually winning a fight. Take for instance him outsmarting Darkseid in that one movie I forget the name of. Sure he technically defeated him, but it wasn’t in a fight. He had to outsmart his opponent because he knew he COULDNT defeat him physically. That’s prime evidence that he CANT just defeat everyone and HE KNOWS THAT. If Batman himself knows when he cant defeat someone in a fight regardless of prep time, you’d think Batman fans would be able to wrap their heads around that too.
anti hero is a character who may fight for good but doesnt mind killing. a hero is someone who dedicates themselves to justice and not only saves the innocent, but the guilty.
I also think the Dark Knight Trilogy is ass an adaptation of Batman. Gotham is just generic big city number 1 million, the villains were too grounded with no fantastic elements, joker didn’t really feel like joker but average schizo number 5, no comic acurate looks, the voice was cringe and the ending has Bruce leave Gotham just to hand it over to some random cop? Their good movies on their own but their barely batman in more than name
I mean Joker looks somewhat accurate, wouldn't call him average schizo either. He feels like classic Riddler mixed with 2004 cartoon Joker with more modern take on wanting Batman to break his code.
The third one was Nolan's commentary on the 99% vs 1% bs at the time. At least Harve Bennett watched every Star Trek TOS episode to figure out why it appealed to fans and how it can appeal to non-fans. The Nolans skimmed the Bat-Wiki.
Allat yap for a great depiction of batman, didn’t make Gotham too bloated, the villains had a level of super natural to them and fitted in the more realistic tone
Joker didn’t feel like schizophrenic, he felt like the joker we don’t get to see, comic accurate designs, the voice was good and the ending is ambiguous but Bruce does retire for the right reasons and the random cop is Robin. They more than barely fit batman and are awesome movies
For me, the worst Batman opinions are the ones that these same people don’t apply to literally any other hero. For example, ‘he’s a billionaire that beats up poor people.’ First of all, not all his villains are poor, and these ‘poor’ people they are talking about are henchmen of psychopathic rich supervillains. If Batman beats up a mugger or a person attempting to rape a woman, is he just ‘beating up a poor person’? No, he’s beating up a dangerous criminal; it doesn’t matter if he’s rich or poor. People say Bruce could use his wealth to help Gotham, but he does. Even if he gave Gotham all of his money, the rich crime lords would probably steal it all, and even if he did do it successfully, that wouldn’t stop the Joker. The Joker isn’t going to be like, ‘Bruce Wayne gave all his wealth to Gotham; I guess I should stop trying to blow up the city.’ He’s going to do it anyway, and these arguments against Batman are never used for any other billionaire superhero (Green Arrow, Iron Man, Black Panther, Reed Richards, Charles Xavier, etc.).
More than a stupid opinion this is something a lot of Batman writers got wrong: Batman isn't a tech genius. During those 15 years when Bruce travelled around the world he became an expert in any possible type of martial arts, detective work and criminology... that's it. He shouldn't be portrayed as a tech genius and, beside some out of continuity examples, he wasn't portrayed this way before Grant Morrison. He had characters like Lucius Fox, Harold Allnut or even the third Toyman providing him with new gadgets and upgrades
@@BrandontheAwesome This is false, in the 40's the great majority of Batman's gadgets simply "appeared". In the sense that there's no scene where Batman builds the batgyro or Robin builds his personal batplane, they simply have them and we public are introduced to these gadgets for the first time. Hell in World's Finest Comics #7 we are introduced for the first time to a Batcave at the North Pole from nothing and Batman will never use it ever again.
@@BrandontheAwesome But, as you said, it's just an assumption. In the origin story of Batman from the 40's it has never been mentioned that he has any engineering skills. Since one could assume Batman created his own gadgets another could assume he received them from his various contacts around the world. After all the batplane version for Robin is presented as a gift, i find it very difficult to believe Batman worked on a mini-version of the Batplane in the Batcave and Robin never noticed it. Beside all of this we have to understand that the storytelling for comics in the 40's was very different from the one of modern days: except for some citations most of those stories didn't mantain any kind of continuity, the heroes were still in a state of "formation" and the shared universe was something more in name than anything else. If people don't (and shouldn't) accept Batman killing people despite him throwing gangsters off buildings in his second story why we should accept Batman as an engineer because in the 40's were extremely vague on Batman's gadgets' origin therefore someone could assume Batman created them?
I feel like the biggest issue with batman creating so many misconceptions is just how much batman content we're getting and more importantly just how much bad batman content we're getting. If I walk up to someone and they say "I like batman" it can mean they like anything from an immortal god of knowledge who can perdict the future to a mentally ill loner or cartoon character.
@@Yourfat247but marvel at least has other characters they use beside spider-man. The avengers, x-men, and Etc have gotten recognition while dc still has not even given us a good justice league movie
@@Yourfat247 I’d agree but lately they have been pushing different characters as of late. Marvel 1943, X-men 97, Deadpool, the Wolverine game, even just bringing back marvel vs capcom Meanwhile with dc all the games are Batman focused outside of the Wonder Woman game that’s probably gonna be cancelled. Hell with those injustice games they have more emphasis on Batman and his villains then anyone else in dc lol… suicide squad isn’t worth talking about
I think when people are talking about Batman beating up on poor people they're referring to the non-supervillains just the average thugs he fights like the people robbing a store or selling drugs.
Batman tends to help them too. The ending of the new 52 had a thug become a student getting his life straight after an encounter. A thug knew his secret identity and batman helped turn his life around and that's not mentioning his son who was a criminal working for scarecrow.
What's worse is that Batman doesn't brutaly beat normal henchmen. He goes to far lengths when the situation is to dire for him to just play it safe(for instance if he is poisoned or joker placed 50 tsar bombas under Gotham which are going to explode in 30 minutes and 10 buffoons decide to oppose him, ge wouldn't just go gently against them as time is running out). And I feel the problem with versus battles are that the character of the characters aren't taken into consideration. For instance Batman would make it a draw with goku, not because of prep time, but he would make goku realise that he(Batman) isn't a threat and they would become friends quickly, yet interactions like these are overlooked because "it's boring". Moreover prep time isn't a tool that anyone can use, for example the hulk by himself wouldn't use his prep time at all whilst someone like Xavier and Batman would. Prep time works seemingly so well for Batman because :a) He is a detective B) he CAN'T make a mistake in a shit hole that Gotham is where the criminals would give you the worst torture possible because it's in a holiday or they act out of impulsive behavior. This is also a weakness as he can't accept he made a mistake due to his want to protect the innocent (prime example is " The dark victory ") C) Batman isn't prideful to make huge mistakes (even then he isn't perfect to not make mistakes) D) Connections and alliances. Batman would never fist fight with darkseid or goku in most cases, he would call a friend who has an actual chance to go against them and help them strategically. Otherwise he gets whooped (ex reverse flash).
I've just given up hope for good live action adaptations of some Bat-fam characters. We're never going to get a Tim Drake, Helena Bertinelli, Stephanie Brown, Jean-Paul Valley, or Kate Kane that does them justice.
All of these arguements are ones that I really hope James Gunn puts to rest with his Batman. We have Matt Reeves to show the Batman that is purely Batman, but we desperately need an adaptation that treats Bruce Wayne as equally important and with depth as Batman. Bruce is where the parental aspects shine, the charitable and philanthropic nature as well.
People that think Deathstroke should be a batman villain and not a titans villain, as if being a titans villains makes him less cool or something. Sorry but slade is not an interesting batman villain
Slade is an interesting Batman villain, sorry to break it to you. That’s like saying Fisk is not an interesting Spider-Man villain but is for daredevil..
@@Yourfat247 yeah Fisk is not an interesting villain for Spider Man in my opinion. But he is for Daredevil because He’s Daredevil’s arch nemesis. When he’s a Spider Man villain he is just some generic crime boss but not with Daredevil. Same thing goes with Deathstroke and being a Titans Villain over a Batman villain
@@Yourmoms_favouriteboyfriendlol I mean outside of flashy fight scenes what dynamic do they have? Slade is just another merc/assassin for Batman to fight and any connections they have are super surface level. His role is easily replaced by bane, orphan, kgbeast, Ra’s etc.
Batman is a man. Stop with all of the fighting meta-humans and let him stop spies, ninjas and crime syndicates. He is too often portrayed as a superhuman and not as a detective. Batman is too often portrayed as a powerhouse. I prefer the cerebral mastermind who overcomes with strength of will in the stories.
It’s due to recency bias. In games and movies they neglect many caring aspects of Batman in favor of complex plot. Same reason Superman gets flack. U gotta show small acts of concern and kindness instead of telling the audience they are that way. The animated versions simply this that well and life action does not.
There is also the inverse of the plot armor prep time argument, which is the idea that anytime Batman beats anyone above a city buster its plot armor. Or people saying that EVERY insane feat he has is plot armor. It’s just as annoying as the people who say Batman solos fiction with prep time.
Idk bro. I feel like Bruce could help those kids without turning them into vigilantes like him. I still like Batman but I feel like the Robins/BatFamily conversation is interesting
