100% dude was like this is my chance, people will say it was an "accident" that i took your mask off then turned your air off while your helping another person [evil laugh]
@@nerdocalypse7466 and ripped the weights off so that in case everything else was not enough to kill them that surely ripping the weights off so they rush to the surface and die aganoisingly! This dude is completley crazy and out of order he is insane!
There is some information that indicate this "instructor" worked for the turkish government as some kind of torturer to extract information with water boarding and stuff like that. So it makes sense what we see here, you know he is truly a psychopath that killed before and he enjoys the power dynamic and putting people in danger and being the one who controls and dominates the situation. Thats typical psychopathic behaviour.
That's like a flight instructor training a student for in-flight issues, so he shuts the engine off, throws the keys on the floor, sprays you with pepper spray, and turns the plane upside down.
Except it’s not in a simulator, where pilots actually learn new skills, but rather in an actual airliner at altitude. Sure, let’s depressurize it while having a ninja attack you when the live alligator is taking a break, start pulling circuit breakers over and over, and maybe set something on fire, ya know, to keep things realistic! O_o
Totally agree! If I ever.. And I want to.. Learn how to Scuba Dive.. Then I want Woody as my teacher :) And afterwards I'd like to take a beer with him talking about aliens and the pyramids :D
Yup. That looked like an “I am a psychopath who wants to kill people but I want to have plausible deniability about it” kind of thing. Ripping masks off is one thing (bad enough) but closing people’s tanks WHILE all their masks are off? Yeaaahhhh…. That’s not hardcore, it’s pretty much hoping someone drowns at that point. And I’m all about hardcore training, but this is nuts 🥜
I feel the same way . I really hope people see this and fire him from doing this. He is really going to kill someone. If someone is really trying to do this as a sport and get a trainer like this they will not continue and it’s so sad because these guys here really have passion for this sport and want people to see it the way they do.
I've been diving for 40 years, I'm an instructor with two agencies and NEVER have I seen such gross misconduct in an instructor. This guy should have been prosecuted for endangering life.
@@ToniHunterOne with age you start getting all sorts of problems breathing, equilibrium, blood,heart etc...all of which seems to be no-nos for diving ?! I guess that's what he meant
This was ridiculous. This is a Scuba instructor in Southern Turkey. I recognized the Turkish name, found him on social media, and sent him a link to your video. Not to embarrass him whatsoever, but so that he understands the gravity of what he’s doing here and MAAYBE learns from it. When I first got certified, there is no way I would’ve stayed as calm as those students did on my 3rd day in open water. Kudos to them all but man…
I feel bad for Woody watching this - he was so excited about explaining a stress and rescue class only to witness what looks like attempted murder.. Those poor students!
@@technophant people in the military are trying to die, as they are training to go out and kill. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Idgaf about that world, I live in a world where life is valued and where war is not our goal.
That instructor is lucky that none of the students lashed out at him. At some point they must have realized that he was putting them in extreme danger.
I would hope these students had a very direct, pointed conversation with this "instructor" when they were out of the water. Like fingers in his face conversation.
You guys got it wrong. This isn't a diver stress test. It's a class on how to survive James Bond movie style underwater combat! He's prepping them to take on Goldfinger!
Exactly!!! INTENTIONALLY turning off someones air while UNDERWATER is essentially homicide, this guy is wreckless beyond all recognition, if it were me and you down there and that was happening i would have fought thay dude off and i dont even know you at all, you just dont do shit like that to people unless its a combat diving course and that should be done in a much more controlled environment like a poool. Crazy vid. Angers me so much as a diver..
@@eastcoastitalian8758 Running out of air is a real life scenario - I've seen it. It's important that you DO NOT panic. It doesn't change the fact that this guy is acting like a prime a-hole.
@@eastcoastitalian8758 I have been on two separate dives where other divers ran out of air. It is absolutely a skill that should be practiced. Stress in general is also something you need to practice because panic is the number one danger to a diver. Turning off air in a stress test is not uncommon. In my stress test they told us they would turn off one of our air. The difference was that it was the very first thing they did (once we were ready) and we waited to see who it was, then began buddy breathing, then started the rest of the test. We didn't have our air turned off in the middle of looking for our mask and weightbelt. You don't do any of these stress tests until you are already an experienced diver.
I'm an instructor, and they're right, this instructor needs to be fired and banned from EVER being with a student ever again. He isn't training them, he's trying to kill them.
@@stevehorsley4859 curious, and this isn’t a criticism, did you report it as well? I think one of the things I hear about most is if someone thinks something is wrong they need to say something and not wait and hope for someone else do it. Maybe a report or attention from Dive Talk might get more perked ears, but that doesn’t mean you didn’t have to report it too. If you did, GREAT! I just really am concerned when people just hope and expect when someone else will do what they know they should themselves!
This kind of thing must cause you guys such anxiety and frustration knowing that you❤😊❤😊 are such great pros I hope if I ever take up diving I have great instructors of your wonderful calibre
Guess the instructor thought he was teaching navy seals. Who actually do this but in super controlled situations in a pool with safety divers and medical staff.
What is additionally astounding to me, is they had a 5th person down there running the camera who additionally was just watching this attempted murder happen.
When I did my rescue class I had well over 200 dives, and if the instructor or anyone involved had tried to pull this, I would have turned on them in an instant and pulled their own mask off before ascending safely and promptly leaving. This is not teaching, it's abuse. Even if it's staged, as Koray claims, this is not something that should ever be staged. Nothing can be gained from this, even if the three were instructors with a thousand dives each. It simply does not simulate any form of reality, is a waste of everyone's time, puts lives at risk, and sets a very poor example.
As a rookie with only 2 dives ever years ago, I would have drowned him then and there or stabbed him with my diving knife. I get super defensive when I feel threat anywhere...
This guy is in Turkey and is actually a leader of a dive team, local coordinator for Aegean Ecotourism Society, works with the UN Global Environmental Facility for mapping seagrass in the Ayvalik Islands Nature Park, and a bunch of other stuff; which is just insane. Thank God I'll probably never be in any water near him.
@@cdawg154 his name is clearly posted on the video lol.. Koray gerce, if you google him his dive advisor profile will tell you he’s an NAUI “instructor” at Ayvalik 3 sea diving centre.
@@cdawg154 Hi, I don't know him. I just did some research on him and found who he is. I can report him, no problem; however, I am familiar with how Turkish authorities tend to handle things like this, especially coming from someone who is not even in the country and at beast they will ignore, at worst it could make it difficult for me, if I travel to there again. They do not like foreigners causing issues for their citizens and their standards for regulation infractions and criminal infractions is much different than the US and most of Europe. Even if I report to an international governing body for diving, the same things is likely to arise; since I am not in the country. I will try and do it anonymously, which will give it probably no clout (even with the video). This video is public knowledge and something he uses to promote his business; if local authorities (diving and police) were going to do something, they probably would have already, seeing as he works with the government there. I am sure they have already seen this video and more than likely some personnel have first hand experience with this. We take the laws and regulations in our own countries for granted and gauge how the rest of the World is based upon them. I don't know how much you travel and if you have ever immersed yourself into other cultures; but in some countries, while this may be frowned upon, would not be illegal or a violation, since the participants signed up for it (a little more complicated than this, but basically how it would be viewed). Turkey is one of them. What needs to happen is participants need to report and complain and Turkish citizens, in the diving community, need to boycott him. I would say protest against him; but in Turkey there are strict laws against that and even speaking negatively about his business and the experience can land you in prison; especially since he seems to have some clout amongst the government, in some regards. I wish it was as easy as we all would like it to be here; but it just is not.
Not only is it so highly unlikely that you lose your mask 3 times in a row, your weight belt, your tank comes loose and your air gets cut off - but also all that happening to YOUR BUDDY AT THE SAME TIME…. like EVEN IF that all would happen to you, you would still have a buddy there to help you deal with all this… not both you ending up in complete chaos out of nowhere…
I would’ve ended up punching this instructor straight in the face when he went for my face mask. This is so disturbing to watch, but kudos to those students for staying so patient and calm. Great video as always guys!
I'm all for stress, but that is DANGEROUS!!! I've seen military stress dive training and it is not that poorly run. Definitely not such a gross loss of control by the instructor.
Yup. I’d be out of there ASAP. If someone threatens my life, the qualification isn’t worth it. Enough people who dive recreationally are healthcare workers who genuinely know every law there is for safety and requirements for back up. None of us wouldn’t report it. It’s entrenched.
Most diver courses in the military for combat occupations include this extreme stress stuff. Same in the coast guard for law enforcement and rescue occupations. And that goes back to WW2. Exact job my uncle had during Vietnam. He later became a certified instructor and led a few National Geographic funded expeditions.
Navy Seals actually do this exact thing. It's called PoolComp. But it's way safer than what's being done here. I showed this to my friend who is a SEAL instructor and his reaction was "he's gonna kill these people".
@@psyience3213 Yup. It's 1:1 with another diver. But they also have an instructor on the surface, and a couple standing on side of the pool. So more like 4:1. Plus all the corpsmen and dive medics you mentioned. They also don't do it in the open ocean. That's nuts.
Watched a show on seals doing their buds training and they did something somewhat similar but it was in a pool with maybe 12 feet of water with safety people on stand-by. It was a set exercise where they had to get their gear on and working again without surfacing. We're talking about guys in peak condition as well. This video of the instructor was just reckless by comparison.
Gus: “Because he’s an asshole.” That was terrifying to watch and completely unsafe for the students. And my heart hurt watching them just DESTROY the benthic habitat
@@dataloop5407 No. this is not how the course goes. Simple as that. He’s a guy who has mental problems and thinks he has some type of authority and is gonna get someone killed. NO excuses for that!!
@@dataloop5407 And water is NOT water. Their is a big difference between a pool and the ocean 😂 😂. You can’t take somebody weights off at depth and have the same outcome as a pool 😂.. now I know you really aren’t a diver bud…
I’ve had my mask knocked off. I’ve had weight belt issues. But never all at once multiple times. If I had that many problems during I dive I would abort. I’m an instructor and am horrified by this. These guys cannot support each other while fighting off their instructor. This is one of those guys that was hazed during his own course, so he terrifies everyone else.
Me and my buddy are literally on the floor laugh/crying. I’m not joking, seriously if I had this instructor I’d be pulling my dive knife out and go in to combat mode. The only way you would experience something like this in real life is if someone was trying to kill you. They should’ve called this class Introduction to James Bond style scuba diving.
Even military training for actually dealing with people trying to kill you underwater, isn't this unsafe. They don't use unfamiliar rental gear, they use set gear that they know how to set up literally blindfolded behind their back before even getting wet. Not to mention imthey have more instructors than students in the water at a given time.
The only time you would be in a situation like this and need to use this training was if another diver was literally trying to murder you and your group on a dive!!! This is insane
Totally incorrect, your mask can easily get knocked off from sea life, to current and even other panicked divers. Turning off your air is to simulate you running out of air and needing to switch tanks or get your dive buddy to buddy breath with you. It’s about preparedness, if you ever begin diving I hope I’m not on the same boat.
@@dataloop5407 Yeah, it's totally realistic for your entire dive group to lose their masks and have repeated failure of all of their equipment, all at the same time....lol.
Were doing stress and rescue today. *Cuts main parachute and kicks student out of plane* will he be able to deploy his back up while under deep stress in time well see.
That diving instructor definitely needs to be expelled from whatever school he's teaching from. If that was me, I wouldn't have given an ok 👌 he would have gotten a different sign 🖕
Holy cow this gets more and more infuriating as you watch it....at what point do you all decide “this guy is trying to kill us, it’s 3 vs 1” and start ripping his mask and reg out of his mouth while turning off his air
This is exactly exactly exactly how my stress test went when completing my DM. The instructor was unable to take myself and the other student into six meters of open water to perform my equipment exchange. He decided that best practice would be going to the 4.5ft pool to perform the equipment exchange. I stood up once in the pool giving a massive burp and choking up as I hadn't taken a proper breath in ages and my diafragm was contracting at that point. you guys 100% nailed it that its inflated ego and in no way will I ever experience that in the real world. So me and my buddy had to swap BCD, Mask, fins and weights whilst using one octopus regulator between the two of us whilst being inflated, deflated, masks flooded and regulators being purged left right and centre. But as you guys say students don't know what the standards are and often fear the instructor or fear of failing the course. I remember when I was doing my panic diver too my instructor and his assistant said "we are gonna f***ing drown you." Bad teaching passed from one instructor to the next unfortunately as I recall the assisting instructor told me of his own panic diver drill where his instructor grabbed a jelly fish out the water and shoved it down his wetsuit. As usual thanks for your valuable knowledge and experience gentlemen.
I think even in the navy seal training they do mess with your stuff but even then not THAT much, they do maybe one thing at a time with maybe two in total deliberate sabotages throughout the entire dive. Plus they have several people ready to rescue you if you start drowning.
This!! To me as well, still nearly not as bad as this video though.. I was so fed up with my instructor with those actions: I purged on him when he tried coming near me at one point… He didn’t think it was funny, I did..
@@talk-supersix-seven6021 exactly. The seals have like at least 2 backup divers per candidate, and even then it's still just a single encounter, getting turned around and having several sabotages which they then have to fix.
@@talk-supersix-seven6021 SEALS training is apparently very much like torture when it comes to this type of stuff. I've known two in my life and they didn't have pleasant memories of it. They both independently said the diving training was by far the worse; considering they essentially let you drown, "safely", but still. They said SERE was a close second. There's a reason more SEALS die in training than actual combat. If the training is like nothing you're likely to ever actually experience, then you're going to be more calm and collected since you've already experienced hell, at least that's how it was justified to those I've known. Anyway, my whole point is that these people are not SEALS, lmao, nor did they sign up to be.
That was a pretty savage session. The instructor is absolutely nuts. Not even in BUDS you don’t treat fellow soldiers like that. In BUDS, part of pool competency we have the underwater “hazing” but the instructors will do it individually and only once, never repeatedly. A student is hazed, maybe turned upside down, have the mask removed and the tanks valve turned off or the hoses tied in a knot, but then the student is left to deal with the situation under the close surveillance of two instructors. And folks, that is MILITARY training, arguably for the best underwater military operators in the world.
@@youtuberschannel12oldier here; how about both what? I’m not a sailor. Sailor’s aren’t soldiers. Marines aren’t Airmen. Airmen aren’t Coasties. None of us bare “both.”
As a non diver hoping to become one, watching these kinds of videos w you two is SO helpful. Because like Woody said, most people would not know this was abuse. It helped open my eyes on what to watch out for when I start my underwater adventuring. You 2 are great and hope to one day dive w you guys. Keep being amazing people and educators!!!
This is like taking driving lessons and suddenly your instructor pulls off the steering wheel while you're on the highway. It is dark and your brakes aren't working and there's black ice ahead of you.
Even when you watch Navy SEAL training and they do this there's always two instructors per one diver with medical on standby. This in the first place is wrong and second off irresponsible.
I’ve been bingeing on your videos and I’ve never been so genuinely upset by a video you guys have reacted to. This would probably terrify almost any new diver too much to ever get back in that gear.
I'm absolutely astonished. I'm a former commercial diver, also a PADI Dive Master. That is crazy. My instructors pulled some shit on me during training, but they didn't try to kill me ffs. That was outrageous. I got put under stress, and got fooled around with during training. One instructor was Cold War SBS. He was hard core. He'd never have done anything like this.
Yeah, SBS is pretty hard core. We're both PADI pros, but I've thumbed through a BSAC manual before, and one of the exercises they do is for the instructor to rip your mask off at any moment, and that's for open water. That was quite an old manual though, so I wonder if their method has since changed.
He never tried it because we SBS know the dangers in diving on first hand. Seen a lot. SBS isn't leisure diving. What you saw in this video we actually did it during our training in the SBS. Mask removal at 60 m and control the ascent without mask just with the ascent rate alarm on the dive computer.
I'm not even a diver and I could barely watch this video. Even in seal training, you sit still while they fuck your shit up and then you fix them in a specified order. And that's in a swimming pool accompanied by some of the most experienced divers in the world. They dont continue to add more problems and variables while you're fixing another. And many Seals struggle on this portion of training more than any other!
Yes! Also from the videos of any country's navy I've seen, they train those high stress/combat situations minimum with one instructor per student. More often one instructor who fucks with you and one overseeing everything.
@@robertrosen2703 yes! if SEALs were doing this type of "training", in the open ocean, at depth, with 1 instructor to 3+ students, half the fucking class would die. the situation the instructor created is completely beyond his control. he can't save all three if they start failing to clear issues...let alone saving one. he sabotaged so many things so fast i guarantee he doesn't even know which failures each student is experiencing! it's literally "i'm going to sabotage everything i can in an uncontrolled manner and if you don't manage to survive, you're dead." this dude needs to be fucking quarantined from ever diving again. jesus christ
Yes AND that's in stage 2 of BUD/S where they've already weeded out a SIGNFICANT percentage of the class (~70-80%) and are left with absolute studs in peak physical condition.
Hey guys, thanks so much for making this video! I've been teaching recreational diving for about a decade now and I would never teach my rescue courses this way but believe it or not I've seen a lot of instructors teaching their rescue courses just like this, sadly it's common. I've had this conversation many times before about safety in rescue courses, and have had DM's in training assist my course to play the role of distressed and unconscious diver who often think ripping students gear off in a rescue course was standard training because they did the same in their course, and I have to make it very clear to everyone that they're never to act like that in my course and remind them that a student taking a rescue course is NOT a rescue diver! They are an advanced open water diver only, and even experienced divers can panic when they have their mask off and someone rips the reg out of their mouth. I'm going to show this video to my fellow instructors and students. Thanks
He is a turkish diver/ ''instructor'' and has a youtube channel. He is quite well known with his projects for mapping seagrass in Ayvalık islands. İt's surprising how someone who basically spends his entire time under water can be this fucking daft. Your reaction was understandable and i actually want to praise you for being able to keep it civil. I was raining F Bombs the entire time.
The minute he pulled this sht on me I would go in fight or flight survival, panick and probably pull my blade. How people get away with this I have no idea. One person stabs 1 person and sharks will know. I'm just thinking of the fact that's probably not the only 3 he trained.
@@markouellette6868 Underwater huste is the LAST thing you want to do specially under such circumstances. The key to surface alive is to be as calm as a cucumber. I'd try and go back to the surface and since we are not seals, there will be a moment he will follow short eventually. That's where i'd possibly beat the living shit out of him. And im not kidding, nobody is getting away with such dumb fucking behavior.
So what is his name? Why is everyone dancing around it? Name him ,look up which Org licensed him and write them about this. He needs to be removed from being an instructor
@@listrahtes That’s not how the law works in Turkey. Judical system is nothing short of fucking horrible so he either paid his way through or some “complications” in the process occured. OR he knows someone from the high chair.
@@listrahteshis name is clearly on the video reacted to, it’s Koray Gerce. He’s an instructor with NAUI. I googled it when I saw it as it struck me as a name and sure enough there’s plenty about him mentioned online from there …
To divers that have yet to take the rescue course can I just say it was the best course I’ve ever done and absolutely nothing whatsoever like this so please don’t let this “instructor” put you off. Happy diving all
In Open Water class, the only thing out instructors did was turn off our air so we know how it feels. They always let us know before they did it. If they had attacked us like that, they would have been fired.
It's amazing how much stuff this guy is doing to the students. Nobody can tell me that the instructor can manage such a chaotic situation, if something goes really in a bad direction only for one student. I don't even believe that the instructor himself knows exactly whats going on during the whole time. You can't keep track of it at all. Apart from the fact that you can't judge 3 people at the same time whether there are really serious problems or not.
As rough as it is for you guys to watch stuff like this, keep doing it, please. Novice divers or those just getting into it might be grateful to know if they got a bad instructor before they get in the water.
This is INSANE! (11:22) In 25+ years of diving, I've never seen anything like this. This doesn't happen in the real world, and he is creating an unsafe training environment. This instructor should have his credentials pulled and never be allowed to teach another course. OMG!
I have, I went through it at 11 years old during my OWD. It was me and 12 other adults. Only a teenage girl, who freaked out during haze night and didn’t pass. So basically everyone here has the temperament of a teenage girl.
@@dataloop5407 nah you’re a dick for making that comment. Just because one girl was unable to handle something, doesn’t mean you can vilify other people in that same light AND insinuate being a girl is a disadvantage in this environment because of the one time you experienced that. Many women are brilliant divers, likewise with men. Gender has nothing to do with it thank you.
This reminds me of my dive training in the navy. Did a week in the pool playing a new game of "sharks and minnows". You'd be swimming along the bottom of a pool and the instructors swim down and do this, shut your air off, rip your mask off, sometimes they would shut your air off, wrap your primary around the 1st stage deflated so when you turn your air back on first it kinda locks the hose in place. But, that was 20 years ago, and in the navy.
this might be the scariest dive video I’ve ever seen 😳 this wasn’t just stressful, exactly what Woody said this was severe danger that had no reality. I am also proud of the students they survived attempted murder!
He hasn’t because those student probably did this before and are TRAINED. I’m really tired of our politically correct safe space world. Not everyone is meant to be a diver, you need to be prepared.
@@dataloop5407 explain where anyone mentioned anything about being politically correct? Just divers observing incredibly unsafe practice. There's nothing political about being disturbingly unsafe.
@@Laoch86 He's some idiot that thinks doing something in a stupid and dangerous way is macho or makes you tougher or something. Not even the SEALs train like this, and I'd bet the average SEAL is about 50X more tough than this loser.
That dude that runs that place is absolutely a disgusting human. Even when people are begging to stop he keeps going. He needs to go to jail. Anyone with half a bran can obviously tell he is addicted to torturing people. He was a government torture person/ instructor back in the day too. He literally enjoys torturing people. And it’s even worse now he can do it “LEGALLY”
@@auusstin8404 Someone needs to take him out. I mean not for good but to the point where he cant speak and move again. You know for the safety and good of mankind and his potential future students who could be killed by this psychopathic serial killer on a killing spree. And if its true that he was a torturor for the turkish government then it makes all sense now. That just shows how muhc of a psychopath he is and why he is enjoying it that much. He had for sure some "accidents" with students while diving. And did cover it up as such. The turkish government is corrupt barbaic and criminal so no one should rely on them for regulation or help or justice. They kill and torture their opposition and everybody they dont like. Thats why they have people like this "instructor" on their pay roll as an government employee. Im serious someone needs to take him out you know in an "accident" maybe while diving.
I took a rescue diver course a few years ago, cause my mom, who I dive with, was half-jokingly "well, I'm a bad diver, so you've gotta know how to save me just in case," and this exercise was definitely not in the course.
It's sad that he will probably not be held accountable since the laws are different in other countries. It's good that Gus and Woody are pointing this out for others to see. Not a diver but enjoy learning from their videos.
love the commentary and im glad i found you guys. dispite the effects of bad decision making, training, ignrorance and sadly preventable detahs, in these videos; yall have sparked a light in me to get scuba certified, and up, im really excited... keep it up yall
Honestly terrifying. My SSI Stress/Rescue class was nothing like this. A class like this might have made me quit scuba diving - underwater movie fights have nothing on this.
In a panic drowning a person might become dangerous unless subdued. Maybe the stress and rescue lesson these divers were failing at was to punch the dive master and subdue him. Looks like an unreal case scenario and more like an MMA fight. :)
Only thing I've ever seen comparable to this was they once had a few dive trainers who were prior seals at a 'deep pool' on base and they were teaching underwater combat or something...but it was at a pool... with 6 rescue divers within two arms length of the group... and the trainer gave them a sign to say "I'm starting" and they never had more then one at a time in distress. Focus being on the fact... it's a controlled or semi controlled environment with a compression/de-compression chambers and a rescue med connected to the room and the Navy Hospital right across the street.
Gus is so good at the soft sell, just luring Woody into reacting to these crazy clips. Very entertaining but also it's so important to call people out who do insane and dangerous things!
Back in the dark ages of 1975, this is how I was trained. In the pool, not open water. When I switched to PADI, it never happened again. I won't name the previous organization. You're right about the mental issues. There is no reason to do this, and it puts students in danger. My instructor, in the unnamed class, had a pretty huge ego. Could be worse...he could be a skydiving instructor.
not sure how those differ haha, i cannot survive the sudden stop of hitting the ground no better than i could survive breathing in water or if deep enough having my blood vessels pop. both are guaranteed death as a result of negligence and utter lack of care for the person they took control over. like an officer who handcuffed a potential suspect and placed in the back of a cruiser that sat on a train track and actually got hit by a train. the officer takes full liberty and responsibility over the individuals life when they take control over the suspects own ability to do so for themselves. you are certainly correct in saying that there is no reason to do what was done here. zero tolerance on behalf of the employer/this instructor and immediate termination of the position and privilege to carry out this work is at the very least what should happen upon the camera guy recording this crime. i wish he would have been a whistleblower here. thankfully these students or individuals are safe and i hope they have not created a fear in themselves of diving. this has been a bitter sweet tragedy. P.S. please dont take this as a jab or in offense, i totally agree with your points and sentiments. you seem to likely have some great stories and experiences that i personally hope to learn of as my time here comes to pass. take care mate. and cheers
You guys should show a video on this course showing us what a good instructor should do! I’ve never dived so I would have no clue just watching if this is normal or not :)
Seal training has a higher ratio of instructor to student as well, so when someone does panic, you have at least one instructor who has his student or candidate in full supervision to keep them safe during the stress...
@@eriknodland8352 No they don't. I'm not sure where you are getting your information, however, it is incorrect. Typically, there is a 4 TO 1 ratio (depending on number of drops by the time they start pool sessions)! I will say that when in pool phase, when the stress portion occurs, it is 1 TO 1 ratio. One instructor to one sailor. And it's all done in a pool (confined water)!
@@eriknodland8352 Sorry, I read it as it is written, which was "SEAL training has a higher ratio of Instructor to student", which it does not! Only at a specific portion, that typically lasts a single day (sometimes two) are there a 1 to 1 ratio. But if that is what you were trying to say, then, yes we agree!
Two seconds in and I’m already [darkly] laughing out loud. As if there’s anything really being taught about salvaging a problem when everyone’s tanks are off, air off, masks off, and weights empty. Honestly surprised there were no casualties. This is like purposefully maiming yourself in the gym as an exercise lol
I have never dived in my life. I came across this channel by chance a few weeks ago and now can't stop watching and would love to do some basic diving this year, awesome channel , Respect for Ireland 🇮🇪
I think Gus points out such an important thing. The students in this position have been told this is safety diving and don't know better. Meanwhile, their instructors trying to get serial killer status. I can't say I wouldn't react with violence once i got out the water, if someone tried to do this to me. This is the kinda thing that people see and think "diving isn't for me, its too dangerous and too much can go wrong"
The thing that struck me was that he was sabotaging them more, while they were still dealing with the previous sabotage. There was NO opportunity for them to tap out or take a moment. I wanted to punch him, but in that situation they couldn't do ANYTHING but keep on trying to deal with whatever shit he was doing TO them. The misuse of the power imbalance was disgusting and seeing it play out was actually distressing just to watch!
Agreed about reacting with violence. There are definitely students out there who would have reacted as if they were being attacked. In other words, it wouldn't be their dive training kicking in but their other life experiences. (In certain parts of the South, this type of behavior is an invitation to a severe butt whippin,.) Teacher could've been stabbed or kicked or punched. And I wouldn't blame the students if they had such a reaction given the circumstances. As Woody said, I applaud these students for handling the chaos & danger so well.
@@jessicataylor7174reacting with violence out of the water? shiiiiit after he started pulling this shit I would have pulled my blade out and told him to back the fuk up
@@ChristineMHalefunny you say the South because I'm in south Georgia and after about a minute of this I would have pulled my dive knife off my leg , pushed him away and kept him off the other students. After all that if he didn't get it he would have got gutted. This is life and death you're playing around with. You want to play around with my life I'll play around with yours. Except if you ever get me to that point I won't be playing with your life. I'll be taking it
Actually when i made my first dive in the ocean making my open water diver at age 16, my instructor did the mask thing too. Supprises with turning off air in pool-training common too. Was hard but fun and build confidence in my and my mates skills. We got a tight team quickley, coz we had to depend on eachother. But this is madness...going for everything at the same time again and again, with 3 people at once is insane, unless you are preparing a military diving team for employment in a freakin warzone. Respect for the three divers and greetings from germany
Divers just going into these classes don't know the standards. Gus is right, when someone goes in they're likely to just be like wow this is brutal and scary but it is a stress class because they have no idea what to expect, thank you for the knowledge!! This saves students from these situations.
@@DIVETALK i actually did a research on the instructor. He is @koraygerse on Instagram and he teaches for Ayvalik 3 sea scuba center. Also member of TUSF (Turkish Underwater Sports Federation) and CMAS** diver. And yes, he is still an instructor. Hope it helps)
Honestly I found your channel not too long ago now but you two have such awesome chemistry and tbh I know Woody was very upset this episode but it's almost kinda refreshing? There's no question how much both he and Gus care about the Industry, these classes, and the art of diving but the fire y'all have for making sure your students are safe is beyond comforting
These aren't even the standards or skills for a Rescue Course. So the instructor isn't even following the skills to be mastered. You don't do what this instructor did.
Koray Gerce, indeed should have been charged with attempted murder. I don't even dive, but the first minute into this and I would have gone up, get a refund and go to police for a lengthy report. Who knew that people like that exist!
Seriously don't apologize for your reaction on this. I've never dived in my life, and actually denied once a few years back because it scared the living hell out of me. Found this channel on accident and loving it, but seriously; this guy is crazy. I can tell that this is fucked up behaviour so don't apologize, I'd get as mad if I was one of yous. Thanks for all you do.
@@DIVETALK Oh wow! I wasn't expecting a reply! Thanks for all you guys do! You've made me very interested in diving and love every single one your vids!
I took scuba classes with my sister in the mid 1970s, we were in our teens, very small, and the only females in the class. Don’t remember all the details but we started with a half hour of classroom lessons then an hour or so in the pool. The class was fairly large, 10-12 students in the pool. The first few pool sessions were a nightmare for us because most of the guys knew each other, were a lot older than us and some of them thought it was hilarious to untie or unclip our bathing suits. Or one or two would distract us while others would try to get behind us and scare us or brush against us. There was more but you get the idea. The instructors finally put a stop to it but not until we started fastening our suits so they couldn’t be easily unfastened, swam together at all times and learned to use our fins and elbows to discourage the idiots. Both of us were gymnasts and very strong and fast, even in the water, so it was very effective. We both passed with very high grades and became certified. I wish we had instructors like you!
I really appreciate the content and advice y'all offer. I've always wanted to learn to dive, but being in rural Oklahoma and being broke has really slowed the process. Nonetheless I will. Thank y'all
When I took my open water dives my instructor had a huge ego . He acted as if each student should know everything about diving even though you were new . He would get pissed and completely ignore you . And if you asked questions he would say … you should know this already , figure it out . Obviously I am no longer associated with that dive shop . I found as awesome dive shop and have been with them for over 10 years now .
Good for you. I swear it looks like some people just want to give this beautiful sport a nasty taste and discourage people... really sad. If you don't have any patience or empathy, don't teach...
I watch a lot of self defense and firearms videos, and what's strange is usually attempted triple homicides are caught on camera at the gas station, not underwater
When I was first going for my certification, the guys joked about doing this to each other during the more advanced courses. Ripping masks off, loosening tanks and it always put me off going further. A class like this is out of control. I would end up becoming really anxious because he is being insane and really amping up the pressure beyond what it would already be. This is completely and utterly nuts. That man should never be allowed near other divers again.
Absolutely, this guy could have easily killed 2 students. The closest I've seen wasn't IRL, but rather from your last video where the trainee removed their mask, refused the regulator, and rocketed to the surface. What this instructor is doing is 10x worse, because it's people with multiple equipment failures attempting to rescue others with multiple equipment failures. He also wasn't monitoring the students, to see if they handles the emergency correctly or needed a rescue. Even in my intro class, they told us some basics about handling panicked-divers, such as not getting too close, beware they could rip off your equipment, and always handle/rescue yourself before another diver. I'm at about 35 rec-dives, and I've never dropped a mask or reg, came close to running low on air, had a loose-tank, clip come undone, etc. However, for the things that make me even a little nervous, I double-check my equipment, buy/make equipment retainers, etc. Rental equipment gets checked twice, and I take my time. Perhaps the BIGGEST risk (other than death) is this guy inspires or instructs others to teach in this manner. 1-bad instructor becomes 3, 5, or 10+ bad instructors. It's important instructors like you talk about this, because as a student, you often don't know if/when your teacher is wrong.
