0:00 Introduction/Steven's Backstory 6:11 The Artisanship System (Gathering/Processing/Crafting) 8:43 Balancing Crafted Gear being on par with Legendary drops 11:00 Open World Content vs Instanced 14:13 Difficulty of PvE Content (Dynamic Bosses) 17:11 Designated Content per Group Size 18:06 Timeframe to Level to Max 19:30 How Nodes Stay Relevant While Leveling 23:14 Nodes/Religion/Guilds How They Impact Relations with Other Players 27:00 Mayoral Elections for Each Type of Node 29:30 Corruption in PvP (Effects and How to Remove it/Bounty Hunters) 34:45 Player Housing (Freehold/In Node) 36:10 Guilds 37:34 Sieging Nodes/Castles 46:41 Large Scale Monsters 47:53 Sailing System/Ship Building (Sea Content) 50:55 Gear System (Binding/Degradation) 53:55 The Difference Gear Makes at End Game 58:20 Combat Classes and Augmenting Abilities 1:01:30 Flying Mounts Rarity 1:07:20 How to Obtain Gold (No P2W) 1:15:30 Gear Stats 1:18:20 World Size (Transportation) 1:21:47 Alpha 1 1:31:40 After Thoughts Kinda late, but let me know If I messed up at all
Raphael Van Dona [SC] Steven was a marketer but for a nutrition business in california. It wasnt his business though. He just was a successful marketer for a product with innovative ideas and a seamless production with it. The product being nutrition and wellness didnt make people skinny. And thus people called the product a scam. But the product is a suplement not a dietary silver bullet for being lazy, and fat. Stevens fine
Yet he is painfully aware that he wont enjoy his own game much. He said so himself. No sense of discovery or accomplishment if you are the guy inventing shit
sounds like CoE again to me. $400 game packages + subscriptions, making star citizen and CoE look like the minor league of nickle and diming. There is no way I'd be playing this.
@@StreetWorksMedia have you actually looked at what you get in the packages?? They are expensive til you realize that the 75 dollar pre purchase if giving you 25$ of the market currency plus a two month sub once the game is out you're only paying 20 for the pre purchase and alpha play, I thought it was overpriced til I saw what I got with all of it, do some looking instead of seeing high number brain no like
@@timbloxrox1 Yeah that is a gimmick but go ahead and donate them a lot of money. I'm sure it will work out well for you. These cash grab asset pack "Games" are a dime a dozen these days. Good luck...
@@jujumoney8780 bro the man literally participated in a 24 hour global server war against his guild where he had 3 hours sleep i think we cant questiln his dedication
That guy just had a free ad broadcasted live for 50~60 thousand people of the target audience. I don't mean it as a negative thing, I just want to empathize how much of a "win" that guy got for having this interview with asmongold.
I agree with this, but you can't really fake the passion, or at least the knowledge for a project. He gave really good and quick answers for all of the questions, so even though he obviously did so out of an opportunity to sell the game, he also showed how serious he/they are about the game and genre as a whole.
This dude is so wholesome. He was in the interview while he was driving a car. I like how he is so positive and likes to tell something about his own life. I can really see how happy and genuine he is about this project. I hope this game will be a hit and i hope asmongloid will play it.
True, I love how passionate he is about the projects. Nonetheless basing a whole game based on your personal experience is very risky, I work in gaming and we’ve seen a lot of games disappear because the devs won’t acknowledge that the gamers now and it’s the gamers of early 2000’s or 1990’s, so the design a game for them not for the gamers... and then it’s just too late to acknowledge their mistakes! Wish him all the best though 🙌🏽
@@rickdiculous5655 Bit different as No Man Sky kind of promised the sky and failed to deliver. They sold people on the idea of a different game than the one they delivered. This is going to go through alpha and beta with a lot of testers, they're already very open with their progress so far for a game in early alpha, they're going to get a lot of feedback. Ask yourself, do you like what you see? Does the civilization node system appeal to you? Does the job system appeal to you? The combat? Do you even want to play a challenging pvp mmorpg that is going to be an obvious time sink if you want to achieve anything significant? I'm not a big fan of pvp focused mmorpgs myself, though I do have some fond memories of Ultima Online, and this node system might be interesting if they pull if off. If you invest a lot of time and energy into a node, building it up, getting your freehold setup, it could all disappear in a blink of an eye as the enemy invades. Then of course, you'll want revenge. It might sound a bit masochistic of me, but raising the stakes to that level could be pretty fun.
@@menghao737 Also with No Mans Sky there was a whole big shitshow with many things happening. Sean Murray being a big introvert getting pushed in such a situation. Journalist jumping on stuff being "confirmed" when it actually was "Hopefully, but subject to change". The studio they had was destroyed by flooding etc. It was a small company with the face of the project being in a shitty situation. This however is a rich guy funding the game, that knows his shit and can talk about it
The fact that this was unplanned led to Steven dropping a TON of previously unexplained/unannounced info. More than half of what was said here was brand new to anyone who isn't on the Discord server 24/7
"I didn't like the faction based system, i found myself hating my own faction more than the faction i was opposing" Holy shit if this doesn't resonate with bfa.
That was the reason I did not play WoW. I consider being forced to be "friends" with your own faction absurd. Most of time, the people you hate the most is the people you interact more with. Same applies to real life
@@haresay1568 But the thing is, if you don't like the people in your society, you can just fuck off and find a new one or even create your own. A welcome change if you ask me
He was essentially a super successful stock broker or something, made millions of dollars for himself at an early age and then spent 10 years fulltime playing MMOs. They all had something wrong with them, so he took most of his money, made a company and is trying to do it better. The Kickstarter was essentially to gauge interest in the game and get people invested so we could provide early feedback. He was already going to make it anyway.
@Mister Educater I'll take your advice with a grain of salt. If you want to "educate" people I recommend correcting the spelling of your name. One would assume that someone attempting to educate others would be knowledgeable and intelligent, and being unable to spell the word "educator" sort of shatters that illusion. That being said the narrative you are pushing does sound familiar. I don't know what MLM stands for but during the Kickstarter video he did explain a small bit of what he used to do if I remember correctly, and to me at the time it sounded slightly shifty, but I was willing to overlook it for the sake of the awesome game. I think most people would feel the same and not care about his past if this is what he is doing with the present. Also if you really do think it was illegal what he did then you should back up your claims with evidence and take legal action, else it's all just gossip. And I don't like gossipers.
I would like everyone here to just compare this conversation with what Asmon had with Steven had, to the conversations Preach, Belluar had to Ion. Let that sink in. One passionate, the other one feels like you are talking to your lawyer who is about to tell you lost your case.
This is a shit argument, use your brain. WoW has been out for 15 years, Ion and the rest of the team are fielding questions from knowledgeable people about how actual systems work and real problems. Steven just has to say about how things will work (shocker they won't) and continue to promise the moon. fucking moron
Guy is kind of the Chris Wilson of MMOs right now. Wilson didn't like the "everyone's a winner" approach to APRGs and set about the impossible task of creating a more hardcore but rewarding ARPG. And succeeded. If Grinding Gear Games can do it, so can the Ashes team. You can't deny PoE's success.
@L. Ron Hoyabembe PoE was a direct answer to the let down of D3. D3 tried to be a more user friendly ARPG to attract new users while ignoring their 20+ year fanbase. It got to a point in D3 where you could actually time when a legendary was going to drop. Their "fanbase" wanted a more approachable, loot explosion laden eyecandy fest and got it. The old fans went to PoE. I'm not talking about PoE being hardcore in its difficulty (tho I doubt you've beaten The Shaper), I'm talking systems wise. D3 was dumbed down to a point where it was accessible for NASCAR dads and soccer moms. Even the graphical approach decision was made to appeal to a certain crowd.
@L. Ron Hoyabembe hes not talking about combat its talking about the depth of the systems, combat per se is not hard at all its 2 or 3 abilities at best, its all about the systems that require alot of knowledge
@L. Ron Hoyabembe No it's not. Maybe for you, but to the average gamer it is not easy. The average person is going to get destroyed in that game and will need to follow a build guide. I've been playing for a long time and I don't find it difficult to make a successful build anymore, but this is after learning about all the available skills, items, crafting methods etc. It's easy to forget how hard a game actually is to learn when you spend a ton of time with it.
Few problems, that would for example stop me investing if I was in the market. 1. this has been done before for the exact same reasoning, this guys talking points about how mmos have changed, yada yada is almost exactly 1:1 with wild star and that flopped and 2. The mmo genre is a dead market, there's a string of mmos that have come and gone, some like this game, some very close to this game that just never made their money back
Mister Educater Explain how spending 30 Million of his own wealth for everything and having the designers coders and infrastructure and licensing is fake. He got like a grand total of 5 million from backers. Hes already put forth 30million to pay the coders, have his building built for the studios in seperate transcontinental locations.
Unfortunately, the class system is not good. It is to limited, the game would be great if it had the actual choice of skills from 2 classes... gross mistake there.
Ikr , this man alone would almost be enough to get me play this game, having the confidence it has the right man at the helm. In any case this interview and that other video from lazypeon actualy got me somewhat hyped about this game. Hope it will really succeed.
It feels weird but im wondering why theres no studio that tried to beat WoW. I mean this game is an exemple of what a good looking mmo should look. It would be nice that huge mmo games becomes popular again and have no monthly fee to play the game but focus on selling cosmetic, mounts ingame and maybe skin on weapons to make money. WoW could be huge if they removed the monthly fee.
@Michal Blaszczak The list is really long. Warhammer, Everquest Next, Age of Conan, Rift, StarWars, Wildstar, and on and on. The ones that have carved their own audiences ended up not being WoW killer either. You are just delusional.
And is pulling money out of his own pocket :) No investors who can demand shitty decisions. He can do this at his own pace, and do it the way he wants it done which is great fucking news. Making games is so expensive, that most people need investors. Which is the main reason most games sucks these days. No one has enough time to create what they want to make anymore.
Because he actually played MMOs all his life. These devs that companies hire only required to know programming skills and are not required to know anything about the product.
@@fab2lats Take blizzard for example even if a dev to be more precise a coder wanted to make good sistems that work from other games, reality is he cant becuse he is not the head of the project that dictates the direction, in blizards case the direction vision is a grind fest to artificialy prolong the game so you stay sub longer.
Yeah and it's smart to have a vision but also take into account others perspectives as well. It seems he's really thinking about the game in a very open sense. As a long time WoW player, it's always hard to escape that sense of end game urgency and the journey has always been largely a diminished experience. Really seems like there's immersive components at every level that make it interesting and important to the community you populate.
Honestly, I like what I'm hearing. Most mmo's these days are crapshoot flops because they're built on 100% theory, but this guy seems to already understand what players want--he's got experience in the field and he's seen the failures first-hand. He's bringing in wisdom as opposed to speculation. I think that is a recipe for success, and though I will remain skeptical, I will for sure be giving this game a decent chance.
@Mister Educater Ahhh, I see you are one of those beaten dogs he mentioned. Your criticism is understandable and justifiable. Hoping time will reveal a positive outcome for this attempt though, regardless of past experience telling me otherwise.
Turns out when you get lucky trading fake business points you make a lot of money. In any other universe this guy would be fucking homeless cause he didn't win the lottery.
While this man sounds like he's incredibly well read, passionate, and a veteran of MMORPGs I will remain cautiously optimistic of this property. I encourage people to do so as well. I've been watching this product since 2016/2017, and this sounds like a dream product to me. On the flip-side, you can look at properties like Star Citizen and see that feature creep can-and will-cause problems in a development cycle. I want this product to succeed, and I want Steven Sharif to make the game that he's promising. Regardless, flowery words and intentions do not produce a game. Con-artists are everywhere in the games industry now, the scale of a product means nothing. I won't be putting any money into this pre-release, but this interview does produce some confidence and renewed interest in me.
While this and SC cant really be compared scale wise with AoC being open world with some Instancing and phasing depending upon personal node progression. SC is COMPLETELY open world with no point of disapearence. Meaning just because your eyes cant see it doesnt mean its not there. While I believe neither is a scam I do believe both devs promised something that was EXTREMELY difficult if not impossible to do with current technology/hardware and are currently trying to innovate to accomplish their goals. That takes time and it takes far more time to do then Hype will carry it. So I agree, remain optimistic with an air of scrutiny.
One thing you're missing I think is that there's no box price. No one's forcing you to buy anything to play. You can watch someone play and if you wanted to try it out then you could pay the subscription to play for a month. So they're not going to rake in mass amount of money like a $60 release, with subscription etc. on top of that it's entirely self funded. If he is a scammer is a terrible one.
@@Pelikinn 100% why I dont believe he is a scammer. He is funding it himself and designing the game the way he believes the MMO community wants. One of us building a game for all of us. I see no reason not too support it.
He is kinda living the dream of having the money and passion to build an "ideal game". I think there is no way the game will flop... It is not gonna be the biggest game on market, it does not have instant gratification for average brainlet, but it seems like the kind of game which will keep consistent and large enough community for a long, long time. We will see. I will try the game myself for sure.
A lot of problems with games these days are that they are on a tight budget and have to release at a certain point no matter what. If this guy is prepared to invest whatever it takes and take as much time as the game needs, it will be glorious.
1:29:34 absolutely perfect and hilarious description of being an MMO player. Steven Sharif is awesome and I hope AoC is half as good as it sounds. WoW will always have a fanbase. Nothing is a "WoW - killer" - but this absolutely could become the most popular MMO - which would be fantastic to see some competition in the market! I get chills thinking of so!
Tibia... RuneScape... It's all there. WoW will also remain there. In my opinion, Ashes of Creation comes to compete with FFXIV, ESO and GW2, not WoW. For me, CURRENTLY, WoW is below those 3.
@@lukesibley3821 I've always on the Anti-Monopoly train. Why would my personal disappointment be more of a deterrent than MMO games being dominated by a monopoly?
The impromptu interview was great. The game is ambitious for the genre yet everything he spoke about were familiar in some way. They were not repainted systems with new names like what Blizzard's doing the shadowlands to fake something new by changing UI around, but is combining elements that have gone missing from modern MMO design. You can definitely see the Lineage 2 and Archeage inspiration.
People laugh at me when i say shadowlands lack content. I mean the only thing new is covenants which imo is class order halls 2.0. Not really all that new. And torghast is something i see as mythic+ 2.0. Which i think i will be bored of after around 2 weeks tbh. What else is there? New raids and dungeons dont count, that comes every expansion so thats a given. New leveling experience and starter zone? Not really new content for old players. Where is this too much content ppl speak of with shadowlands?
@@Raffalius shadowlands will suffer from artificial complexity. Too many systems that basically amount to a talent tree spread over 3 or 4 UIs. That will be the only "depth" of the expansions. This when people call it Systemlands it's basically calling out all of these layers that end up just being funneled to a single type of gameplay. Meanwhile ashes of Creation seems to be eyeing parallel gameplay experiences in a shared world. Something that sounds more like an MMO and more like an RPG than anything coming out of blizzard.
I never played either of them, i played FF XI and everquest back in the day, now that i make my own money i can pay and play multiple MMOs, i still didnt find THE ONE, ATM i think FF XIV is THAT, ESO and guild wars was close for a while, but didnt scratch that ITCH, i hope blue protocol, new world and ashes of creation does the job, i AM really happy about these 3 titles
Pre CT L2 might have left a bigger impact on me than WoW did. It was one of the most immersive experiences, especialky back in the day. I wasn't interested in the game prior to seeing this interview. Now I want in.
Same with Archeage. If you ignore the P2W aspect by trion and other dumb decision, the core gameplay and core design of Archeage is absolutely fantastic.
This is the first MMORPG game that i would say is NOT "Wow-killer" category. It implements so many mechanics from so many games, it is in a category of its own. If he even remotely replicates what i think he wants done, than.. damn. Moba players, BR players, Arpg and MMOrpg players will gather under one title as it is being designed to attract any one of the type. Major downside is its overly ambitious, and like Star Citizen, it might take decade untill its finished.
@Victor Fabrício That's funny you say that because they still generate millions of dollars in revenue from the game and Shadowlands has pre-sold more than the last 2 expansions. But keep telling yourself that.
Well its obv Blizz killed WoW. However as Asmons said on another vid before this, Blizz wants competition to innovate from (copy-paste probably)... So technically this is a WoW Reviver
For 15 years, hearing people calling out the death of WoW because of a , I’d scoff at them. After this interview, it’s fair to say I’m considering that view point. Amazing how genuine he is for having this interview. Looking forward to trying out this game!
@@scrubfive9239 That's not the business model. he's selling his over hyped founders packs which is where Trion got most of it's money out of archeage plus in game cash shops. He's lifted his entire business model off archeage. The dudes been a massive whale in every MMO he's played for the last couple decades. him saying he doesn't like the direction MMO's are going is such a joke when he's part of the problem.
@@lyriian1641 Didn't he say that the higher packs only included pure cosmetics? Not disagreeing about the last point, but from the interview it sounded like the founder packs don't give an advantage
@@scrubfive9239 I think your speculation is completely valid, especially during this day of age of marketing the shit out of a game before it releases. We shall wait and see as you said.
This is why Asmongold is so important for our Community. This "Interview" Style was so open and chill. We need more of that. BUT! Take everything with a grain of Salt guys. This Game is far from released. Its not even in Beta. But even if "only" 50% of whats said is in the Final Game its worth a try. Step up Blizzard! Not other Games will kill WoW. You will kill it when you keep listening to Businessmen instead of the Community playing and paying.
Seriously. If this game comes out polished and with half the content Steven mentioned it'll still be a great game. There's so much in this interview that none of the MMORPGs on the market are even trying to do rn, that there's no way a huge group of gamers won't flock to this on day one.
To think that he was able to speak in this much detail while driving on the road is absolutely incredible. It just shows just how passionate this man is about the game that he is creating and I really hope that it turns out to be a great success.
he has high ambitions but i hope he doesnt do too much. If you have too much different content and different ways to play you could split the playerbase too much
Passion is the same, philosophy completely different. Chris actively removed himself from game design. This guy actively involved himself with it. If he is as nice and honest as chris, hes chris 2.0 with 50% bigger balls
A “Religion System” was mentioned in this video. Note that this is the first mention of such a system. I wonder what it will cover. I tell you this game has depth for its depth.
I wonder if the religion system is going to be tied with the clerics so you have to pick a deity and said deity will allow the cleric spells to have a slightly different effect.
honestly I wouldn't mess with that kind of content segregation (based on religion choice players have to make) - on paper it sounds good but I think it just may confuse people... Maybe if they apply it in such a fashion that it's not a ''pick one of 6'' kind of thing and rather a city option (maybe tied to nodes, or certain races) that enables like, research into religious texts or cults or stuff like that, which enables encounters or dungeons being unlocked. Or make it tied to a class combo (Clerics/summoners)
Notice how Steven has a satisfying, well-explained, and supported answer for every question Asmongold had. Notice how Steven never says anything along the lines of, "We're still working on [FEATURE[, so stay tuned for updates at a later time." Notice how the smile grew on my face after every question!
I was honestly so down on this game until hearing all of this and seeing the latest content coming out. This has gone from something I didn't care about, to being one of my most anticipated games. Sounds like the perfect MMO to me, lets hope the development goes to plan and we get the game Steven is talking about. So excited.
@@omensoffate this is overhype??? LOL... I've never even heard about it until Asmon did this video/ interview.... and I'm stoked. I think it was great for him to share.
Unfortunately, the class system is not good. It is to limited, the game would be great if it had the actual choice of skills from 2 classes... gross mistake there.
@@whowhowhowhowhowho8139 ....you kiding right? Each single skill can be morphed into 4 variant. 4 variant for each second class so 4 × 8 so 32 possibly skill mutation for every single skill. If we could only choose skill from two class it would be way more boring. With a lot less possible variations.
The thing about a lot of modern MMO's I dislike is how disposable a player's character is. So when I heard that this MMO is harkening back to the days when it took a very long time to progress your character I got very excited. I read the document about an 8-hour alpha test that was performed and it stated that in those 8 hours most players were only able to get level 2. Some of them got to level 3. I get that they might not have been focusing on leveling all that much during that time... regardless that is amazing to me. Compared to other MMOs given that same time frame, I'd be shocked if people didn't gain 15 levels. Every system that was talked about in this interview sounded amazing and I feel like I could get really invested in an MMO like this.
I don't want to detract from your point. But what matters is not how quickly lvls are gained from lvl 1, but scaling. Getting lvl2 in a Runescape skill is instant. Getting 99 can be several hundred hours of dedicated training. The question is whether the scaling is more like WoW or RS. Sounds much closer to RS.
@@libertyprime9307 Yeah, I don't disagree. Final Fantasy XI, the first MMO I played, leveling was scaled in such a way that the first 15 or so level's didn't take that long, but after that, it was quite the journey. Really, what I long for and miss, is when a level meant something. You were excited not just to get to the level cap, but to even just hit the next level. You looked forward to when you got that next awesome ability or could equip that really cool armor you were eyeballing. It also felt so much more cathartic when you were high level to go back and kill enemies that grieved you when it takes longer to get to that higher level.
Leveling that only exists for the purpose of leveling is shite. WoW's leveling experience is fucking awful because it just exists as a barrier to get to level 60 where all the actual content is. If this game gets around that somehow then great. If leveling is only a useless grind then fuck that.
@@usernaames I agree completely and I was just recently thinking about this in the case of Runescape. The midgame of Runescape (much like almost all of reaching max level in WoW) is essentially grinding mindless, repetitive content with sparks of excitement and satisfaction when you hit some small milestone. This kind of grind is miserable because the only people who are actually compelled to do it, are doing so because they are either addicted or willing to suffer just to reach endgame. Ashes' challenge will be making these thousands of hours of content fun and interesting along the way, rather than mindless repetition.
@@libertyprime9307 There is a significant difference between a mindless activity that takes a while because it is designed to and content that takes a while because it is actually challenging. When I say I like long leveling experiences... I mean long due to being an actual challenge. The environments are dangerous, the enemies are dangerous, players can kill you, you need to constantly keep your gear upgraded to stand a chance, you need to group up to tackle quests and dungeons... Upgrading gear takes time and effort as well, and if every system in the game is this way then leveling would take a while. When I think of WOW leveling... it's very easy. I shut my brain off and go through the motions... I have RU-vid running on the other monitor because there is no threat of dying, it's boring, and I don't need to pay attention. I'm rewarded with lots of gold and equipment upgrades for doing mindless content and I never have to really participate with the game in any meaningful way. That is bad, and if that is a system they perpetuate forward and elongate through an insanely long grind for experience points I would quit.
That's what got my attention, he mentioned playing AA and being dissatisfied with the direction XL Games chose to take it, man that game had so much potential in the Alpha, now it's just a Daily quest grind.
he literally made an alliance with TTK (the biggest east guild) dumped a bunch of irl money ($20k) and let TTK free farm the server until they merged in a player nation and the server died. He does not have a track record of being honest.
@@wabbagaming2184 thats a game design and management issue, if AA had systems to stop that kind of domination and their GM teams were on point keeping track of big spending them that wouldnt have been a problem. he also talked about dealing with issues like that they are planning for it in Ashes
@@mauree1618 im playing SEA archeage atm and ita not too bad, decided to go the farmville route this time around and its been pretty fun, once i finish my fourth miners farmhouse tomorrow, ill have enough raw materials income that me and my friend can process to overtake high GS players >:D
"Obviously if the mechanics and systems of a game are built in such a way that they do not provide some rails to how far a dominant guild can go to ruin the experience for others, then it's a bad design theory. " at 28:47~ Man, this quote fits so well to a certain 20+ years old german mmorpg I used to play...
If they can pull everything off that he's claiming will be in the game, I'll be incredibly surprised. I don't doubt his intention and enthusiasm, but I feel like game development can be completely derailed by the slightest thing. I really hope he can realise his dream though! Best of luck Ashes, and thanks for the interview Asmongold
A good amount of it isn't even all that much more or different than other mmorpgs, just the same level with better design philosophies. That sprinkled with a few actually bigger features here and there. Only real concern is balance, and that is naturally not going to be perfect out the box. It will likely be tuned the best it can, and through patches, slowly perfected.
They seem to have a pretty good idea of the final product already, down to smallest systems. This is very important for a healthy development cycle, because many studios waste a lot of time and resources redoing stuff from scratch because they didn't know what they wanted (or what leads/execs wanted).
@@sumerian88 I get you WoW has 15 years of fans and content behind its back but games can coexist. It just depends if people are interested and the devs are there to keep making content
@@francoisturgeon1176 Lmao it's litteraly pre alpha gameplay. You really can't expect it to be polished. He even said so in the interview they know the animations and other stuff is sluggish. They know the combat isn't done yet. That is why it's pre alpha.
This sounds extremely good and promising, and the developer sounds extremely competent and genuine. The better something sounds, however, the greater the fear that it sounds too good to be true. Regarding the massive complexity, density and variety of game systems and mechanics especially, it feels like it would take a miracle for all of that to actually fit into one game in a way that is balanced and continuously balance-able, technically feasible, and actually enjoyable.
@@lukasg2786 note that the Ashes devs aren't the ones claiming it's a WoW killer. That's what the mmorpg playerbase is saying. WoW isn't going anywhere, but they may have a massive contender on their hands.
unfortunately this game is so ambitious and has so many complex mechanics that sound amazing, that there's absolutely no way the game will release and everything will work well. the game is just so ambitious it will likely be a complete shitshow upon release
The energy and ideas that this man has are absolutely amazing. A passion but also the understanding that he has is what create good games. It's always a question if someone pours his/hers own money into a project but this man seems to give all the right answers and have all the right idea.
Yeah I like it a lot. It keeps the item rare, because people who "unlock" the recipe aren't able to craft it in large quantities because they own it forever.
Frozenkex this is the single most pathetic fanboy comment I have read in my life. You literally don’t know a single thing about this game if you think it doesn’t offer anything better than WoW. Like really, you must be trolling
I love all the sweaty crybabies in the chat when he said you’ll drop your gear if you die with a high enough corruption level. You can really spot the edgy brats who only reach max level to go gank lowbies who can’t fight back.
Bro i actually love that idea, I’m totally into being a villain with either decent gear or crappy gear and fighting people to take my loot, Thats really fun and worth it. And plus the guys who dislike it can just put on worser gear and still gank people and potentially get farmed by other people for your gear. IMO this promotes those bounties in various other games where if you’re being a troublemaker/villain/or a jackass, there are repercussions, you’re basically an outlaw and I like that
Unfortunately, the class system is not good. It is to limited, the game would be great if it had the actual choice of skills from 2 classes... gross mistake there.
well the alpha will be at the end of this year without any nda so we’ll pretty much see the core systems of the game sooner. i’m really looking forward to the combat system
@@dazairampo8823 That does not mean anything. Look at GW2, people finally realized it's dogshit by the time the end game kicked in. During all the alphas and betas, people were hyped.
Unfortunately, the class system is not good. It is to limited, the game would be great if it had the actual choice of skills from 2 classes... gross mistake there.
Steven is a good person. He sat down with me 1 on 1 and answerd all my questions. Even if this game is bad when it comes out im playing it because someone like that cares about us
@@JabbarTV1 Anyone who says "bro" has zero credibility. Hulk Hogan never said bro. Carl Sagan never said bro. Isaac Newton never said bro. Keep saying it. Stay as far from an intellectual as you can.
@@XDarkEcho Yeah I agree, but considering the current landscape of the MMO market it's hard not to get hyped about a promising new game. It's dead out there right now.
I'm actually lowkey hyped for this game, I genuinely hope it is a success because after 13+ years of WoW, I need to rekindle my passion for MMOs or just games in general tbh.
My main fear is it being another No Man Sky. They are a tiny(less than a hundred people) developer for an MMO, trying to create a project that would be hard for a AAA developer to pull of as far as resources involved. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for it and I hope they take their time and implement things as intended, without any feature creep. Just pretty skeptical, that's it.
When i first found out about Ashes a few months ago, i immediately joined the Discord and open up the ashes wiki page. it took me 4 FULL DAYS to completely read the wiki! Even after reading it a 2nd time and hearing Steven talking about all the stuff thats going to happen, i cant fully grasp it nor describe all like steven did. He and his team really loves the game and they will deliver. they deliver every month in their livestreams. So my honest opinion on this: Awesome, just awesome.
I am not really sure if Ashes of Creation would be "my MMO" to play but I seriously hope that it's a full success so other MMOs step up their game. We need some healthy competition in this genre.
These were difficult questions and totally spontaneous. The dude driving on his way to Vegas just proves how involved he is. The fact that this was purely off the top of his head makes me have hope for this game. I hope his answers weren't bs.
those werent difficult questions. not at all. a difficult one would be " how do you tackle infaltion", " what if a small portion of the playersbase blocks acces to certain quest to be able to get better gear " , " If you are corrupted and trade you inventory to a guildmate and die repeadatly couldnt you chess the dropping of items" , " why is the most implented feature of the game the in game shop " , " why does it have a BR mode ".
@@Mrterminus he as explained why there is a BR. It's also completely seperate from the MMO. And proved to be very valuable to the development of the MMO.
@@Mrterminus I mean I'm pretty sure even the BR mode is in the main game itself when it comes to deciding the mayor of the military node, if I remember right
Dude I respect Steven so much after this. He's not one of your proper tied to a corporate leash type of dude who gives you bs answers. He's legitimately a normal human being just like the rest of us. Seeing him talk like how he did just made it feel that he was more connected with the community then the rest of these game devs. Also doing an interview while driving through a desert was the realest thing ever. Much respect, I look forward to when this releases.
Because most MMORPGs are made with the intention of killing WoW while being a poorer copy of it. And on the other hand we have the souless korean cashgrabs that are all about flashy combat and endless grinding. So in short the MMORPG market is suffering from creativity bankruptcy and this project feels like a nice breath of fresh air.
most companies are after money and popularity so they remove some features to add other features that might get more people addicted or more people to spend money even if those features make the game arguably worse. Also because it takes time and money, some games may not add features because it will add to their developement time which means the money will take longer to start coming in. Alot of games are pressured by publishers to finish the game
If this dude releases the game the way he described, this will finally be the 2nd coming o WoW, no one will kill WoW of course, but this can be the best mmo since then.
well the alpha will be at the end of this year without any nda so we’ll pretty much see the core systems of the game sooner. i’m really looking forward to the combat system
@@dazairampo8823 Yeh I wanna see what the combat evolves into. Right now it is obviously very clunky and seems like your old tab targetted gameplay with some wasd movement. He mentioned a lot of different axis of customizing your class, in terms of element, playstyle, etc, so that indicated to me that polishing might be brought so the game is more action oriented? We'll have to wait and see but right now the last variable im not entirely sold on is definitely how the gameplay will be, depth and fluidity wise.
If you believe no one can kill WoW then you’re surely mistaken. In the end if profits and players keep dropping do you still think they’ll maintain such a game?
@@theannualantagonist5930 But this has nothing to do with Ashes of Creation, it would be their own fault or the community getting over WoW, there is no game that will kill WoW because this doesn't exist. MMO genre is too big and WoW fanbase too loyal for the game to die, if WoW lost 80% of players it would still be like top 10 most played MMOs. edit: typo
Felipe Santos Did I say it was because of Ashes or another MMO that would be the casualty of WoW dying? In the end the players are the ones that can maintain or kill a game, am I wrong in that regard? In that light then, the player base not only holds power equal to if not even greater than the developers, do you refute that point? Or perhaps I have been rather ignorant and have not seen another path, regardless whether it be the greatest MMO ever in history, everything dies and WoW is heading straight for it at this rate.
Honestly for me it looks like the promises are quite hard to fulfill, maybe they are too ambitious. But if they manage to add everything the dev mentions here, the game will kill the top mmos for sure.
The thing is, they don't have a publisher giving them a deadline for release. They're going to take as much time as they need to add everything they've promised and make it a good game. The project is already funded to completion by Steven Sharif using his own money, so there's no need to rush a release for profits.
Its like this dude was stalking Asmons stream for months listening to him so he can whisper everything he wanted to hear during this interview. Game sounds cool, but lets not overhype, overhyping shit ruins everything.
and this sound good and all, but very complicated and hard, its going to keep alots of players away from that game. People are dumb and lazy, if its to hard and takes too long for reward they will just uninstall
@@SikGamer70 Its unfortunate about no man's sky, if people did any research on it before it got hyped everyone could see it wasnt anywhere near ready. From what I heard its improved a lot since its original launch but their biggest issue was a launch too early because the community kept pushing for it to launch.
I like how Asmond asks if the game will have something, and every time the answer is not only does it have that but all this too. This game sounds dope.
@Michal Blaszczak Yes I think Blizzard is coming to a point that they don't even feel the need to understand anything because they still have a lot of players and still make a lot of money and have almost no competitor. though one day such behavior could cost them A LOT.
@@martinwinther6013 Meanwhile multiple streamers are all posting interviews, with the exact same title, within hours of each other... totally by accident, not sponsored content.
dude imagine picking a mountain node where you go off as a chad blacksmith making every piece there is for other professions, ship builders coming for hull reinforcements, houses and building owners coming for pieces required for them to advance only you make, real shit
Honestly I’m in. He basically said everything we’ve been telling developers we want for years. Instead we’re given games where everyone gets a participation trophy. I’d be happy if it doesn’t have even half of the players WoW has in its doldrums. That means we’ll have the more articulate players for a time. I hope they stick to the plan and don’t dumb it down right away. Let those people stay on the WoW nipple.
Unfortunately, the class system is not good. It is to limited, the game would be great if it had the actual choice of skills from 2 classes... gross mistake there.
@@wickster8384 The novel is amazing. AoC could possibility bring TKA's into reality. Already imagining how several guilds in an alliance will fight for the loot rights of a world boss as the reagent drops are needed for many crafts that every one wants.
With all the coverage Ashes is getting nowadays makes me feel like I made the right choice backing the Kickstarter. I think this game will be successful. It might not be the WoW killer, but I believe it will certainly live up to the hype, and having a life-time subscription will be a great investment long-term. Steven was on point during this interview, he is a true MMO player and knows exactly what works and what doesn't. Hearing the passion and sheer excitement in Steven's voice is honestly getting me pumped. Let's make MMO's great again!
everyone knows that wow is the only wow killer. people playing it for 15 years aren't gonna give it up for another game because they're way to invested. even asmon said he wouldn't stop playing wow.
Depends on how you define succesful. Those were a lot of pretty tall promises Steven made there. Like, almost star citizen levels of overwhelming. Even if it works out as they intended, the game yells niche. I expect it to have a small, but insanely dedicated community like EVE Online. You will probably be completely left behind if you play less than 6 hours daily, based on what Stephen described about nodes and societies.
@@manaaddict5050 let me gues. the trivial accusations that the game was dead and had turned BR mode with a MTX store attached so they can milk the players?
I’m getting an evolved SWG vibe on some of these systems. This project definitely has my attention Side note edit: Asmon is a fantastic interviewer. Doesn’t miss a beat with relevant follow up questions
@@Crazyinnova Sounds like all these mechanics need a ton of work to function properly, I wouldn't expect any company to be able to achieve all this, so we'll just have to see.
@@yibro3360 it's very ambitious of all this stuff. I just don't see them fully fleshing this out in the next 2 years. Especially with such high cost to even back them. It sounds awesome but alot will get cut due to budget constraints.
Clearly a dude who loves his life and has passion for the MMO and fantasy genre. He is super well spoken and has incisive insights on the problems plaguing the modern day MMO and what can be done to remedy those issues. SUPER EXCITED, I wish the AoC team all the best
Hey AoC Dev! Here's the one thing that made me uninstall WoW... I was farming the shards for the legendary weapon from ICC 25 for freaking month!!! Then Cataclysm was released and green items found on the sidewalk had better stats than the thing i spend sweat n tears to get. Make sure your expansions don't make previous achievements obsolete!!!
@@DrewPicklesTheDark its intentionally exaggerated, but its fact, that compared to the expansions trash gear, the former end-gear couldnt justify the effort to obtain it.
After watching both TheLazyPeon's video and Asmongold's interview and reading through a good amount of comments, I notice a trend in which people are still worried about 1) performance 2) doability 3) Is it even real. At the end of the day, the simple and only answer is that we don't know.. REALLY! there is no way for any of us to make a solid judgment with what actual footage we have. However, that doesn't truly matter since the creator himself is sponsoring the game and does not depend on your donation or pre-order to deliver the game. So for a FACT, you know this isn't a cash grab. Honestly, if you listen to part at the end of the interview when he is talking about how the MMORPG community has been treated through the years with endless lies, you can see this is a project brought on by frustration at the current state of things in the genre. On an ending note, all I can say is to give the game the benefit of the doubt until early next year. Seeing that by then well will have lots of alpha footage from testers, and we will also see how the creators handle the first patches of the game under significant player testing.
people get so incredbly hyped for what some CEO salesman is telling them when zero of the stuff he is talking about is in the game yet, I have been following this game for 3~ years or so on and off and their progress is incredbly slow, they did a Battle royale a while ago that got huge backlash, and the game 100% depends on donations lol, they already crowdfunded over 40 million us dollars so far
Hjelpen that’s completely understandable, but from what I can see there was never any explicit release date. As for the financial part, I still stand by my point since nowhere does it say that the game will not release without support from Kickstarter & pre-orders. Therefore you are free to wait until Alpha, beta, or even release to choose whether to buy it or not.
So who else is comparing this open chat style interview to the one Preach had with Ion? Which one came off as out of touch with the players and which one sounds like he actually plays and loves the MMO genre????
@Mister Educater Doesn't change that Ion is out of touch with the genre and the player base. Ion is actually the one who has never delivered on his promises and everything he attempts to "fix" always gets worse. Remember removing specs cause the rotation was over a page long on icy-veins... well look at every spec now. How about when Ion said that gearing was too complicated, not once, twice but constantly now for 3 expansions. Well wait til SL cause it's worse again. At this stage I am more willing to give someone a crack first and see if they fail than sit here and blindly watch Ion fail every time. If the guy knows what to say then at least he is listening
Has anyone else been coming back to this interview? Hearing Steven speak about Ashes is like music to my ears. I just hope he isn't biting off more than he can chew because this game sounds PERFECT for me.
It's bizarre for me as well to hear how many design choices are exactly aligned with my preference. It's like an AI programmed to seek fun analyzed all MMOs in history and learned every relevant lesson about what works and what doesn't.
@@libertyprime9307 It doens't need to be an Artificial Intelligence, the guy seems to be intelligent enough and plays MMOs since 92, so he probably learned a lot during those 28 years of Game experience.
I watched Summit and Shroud talk to this dude for a while the other day. Im glad Asmon got a chance to talk to him too being an MMO guy himself. A shame it wasn't a better circumstance and he had to talk while driving.
"A shame it wasn't a better circumstance and he had to talk while driving." I see it as a big positive. Steven was able to spontaneous go on an interview, live, With like 60k-70k people watching. He also was able to answer everything without prep and hesitation, while driving through a desert with bad internet connection.
Wow. I'm twenty minutes in, and EXTREMELY interested. I come from the same place on enjoying Lineage 2 and ArcheAge (before it was ruined by the devs). Highly considering a pre-purchase to support the team. Edit: I dont think ArcheAge was ruined by the devs but by the executives executive decisions on microtransactions n such
@@slayerbllade You are probably a young man yourself. I think young people are willing to take more risks yes. But I think your over simplifying it by miles..
7:43, it's amazing to see somewone in charge of an MMO actually be passionate about this genre. The way Asmon reacts to this is me throughout the whole video. This sounds great and i can't wait to see more!
I mean technically we already know about what the game 'intend' to feature. The interview was just to get more clarifications and information about them
I was just pointing out the funny structure of the interview. It was interesting for someone who didn't know much about the project but I found it really funny how 1. He was doing it while driving and 2. There was no nuance in the questions.
I love this guy's view about mmorpgs, I hope their game works out. I just had an healthy argument (I'd hope) with someone about the game being unfair. I just think it's great, having investment into the game with long term satisfaction. I really think that everyone being equal is good in competitive games but that mmorpgs are not competitive games but social games. Though to argumentative opponent's credit. I did say I didn't know a solution about politics being governed by streamers and big guilds, but apparently they've found solutions by not making every areas governed by popular people with the four government types.
Excellently done, Asmon. As pretty much always when it's something "serious". I've watched most of this interview earlier today on the stream instead of taking a shower, I'm finishing it now because I was interested in what Steven had to say. It has come to my attention that apparently he's been in an MLM scheme; Personally I don't give a shit and doing some minor research you can come up with some definitions of what that is and what happened and come to your own conclussions. I personally see no problem. It could be the biggest best scheme in the world ever in the history of mmos, even better than Chronicles of Elyria... but I still choose to believe the good. Also because, personally for me, the guy did NOT have to give you this interview while driving to Vegas. What the fuck? Lol that's awesome, so totally unprepared for your questions. And on top of that, he spoke A LOT, non-stop, going all over the place with important stuff, core mechanics and details inside and out... that is not something a scammer does unless they are literally the best. If this is a scam, I will never get mad becuase it'd be so fucking pro you'd have to commend it. I wish all the best for AoC team. We need a WoW competitor!
@@ramiensharifi958 if you look up Fyre Festival, the guy who scammed influencers and celebrities to pay for a festival on a cuban island... that never happened.. He too sounded pationnated about the project.
@@griphters4476 He seems to have a huge role in the design of the game. Whether or not he actively does programming in it, I think that makes him a developer.
@@Titi-pu2hl I think you're right. But I just realised how silly I was correcting a man that corrected another man on a detail that had nothing to do with the initial joke.
