I played WoW for years!!!!!!, mainly Combat Rouge with DK mixed in with a few other classes. Now I play GW2 (54 days and counting ;) as a necromancer/Reaper. Never thought of it before but I think your comparison between a DK and a Reaper is spot on in many ways!! Thanks for all your great content, your videos has taught me a lot about this game!!
Specter is the closest to Discipline because it uses shadow magic to heal. Scourge is just its own thing or a a blood mage if you really want to pick at straws.
I’ve came from wow myself. I like the side progression system since my time is limited. But I’m so stuck on picking a main that I’m just not progressing 😅
I lead an AOTC guild on zuljin in WoW. Gw2 is perfect for our downtime between seasons/expansions. Gw2 is kind of like a Nintendo switch as It's a fantastic companion to your PC, right? It's easy to jump back into gw2 after we've done all of our ksm/h and AOTC shenanigans.
Honestly when it's stance dancing giving you sets of different abilities you'e locked into I'd say rev's closest comparision is druid mechanically, just not thematically. xD
True thematically it's off but mechanicly you may have a point. Honestly if we look at it like that then I'd even consider engineer to be close because of its kits!
GW2 Engineer to WoW = Shaman + Hunter + Druid + Engineer crafting profession, and obviously not aesthetic wise (except the crafting prof). Super versatile like a druid, with oomph/burstiness of an enhance/ele shaman, some utility that are kind of like totems, and hunter type utility good anti stealth stuff, plus if you play elite spec mechanist you get a pet like hunter. Plus the function Gyro that follows you around as Scrapper is kinda like a pet/totem. For Ele, I'd say aesthetic wise it is like Shaman and some play style, but play style feels more like a mage/druid( element swapping like form swapping) + monk kind of. Mesmer is like an Arcane mage and shadow priest had a baby, then when that baby grew up it had a baby with an Esper from Wildstar xD, and that baby was a GW2 mesmer. Monk is defiantly Daredevil/Willbender + Rev. Evoker is so incredibly niche when compared to GW2 I also conclude it really has no valid comparison. p.s. I've played Evoker, so I'm certain it has no comparison.
Thank you for your reply! 😄I hope so, i'll looking for a Guild to guide me a bit because if forgot a lot, about the game, thats why im watching a lot of GW2 Videos now to get into the Game again and i realy start feeling sorry for myself, i can only imagine what my life would look like now if i had countinued playing GW2. 😅 I somehow stoped playing in Heart of Thorns, i loved GW2, and i think i even played it in 2012 as it launched, it was an amazing experience for me. I think WoW just had gotten a way to tight grip on me back in the days but i cant say for sure. But im glad that i can now say that 15 years of WoW are finally over for me and i can enjoy the experience of discover this beautiful and beloved game i completely forgot about. ^^
@@CaffeinatedDad Yes, the gear race can be exhausting in other games and skew PvP especially. I get burn out occasionally and try all the games I have waiting on steam and the beauty of GW2, is on your return, you can just pick up and go. Eleven years of good times.
Mesmer is a tough one to compare. Personally I compare it to Shadowpriest, the Greatsword being akin to Mindflay and both class fantasies revolving around mind-manipulation. And the Shatter abilities are like spriest dots. That being said, the Mirage is more like a Havoc Demonhunter due to how important movement/evades are for dealing damage. But that’s me 😄 Anyways great job my man, love the vid!
Honestly I love this input! Excellent comparisons to be sure. I suppose I didn't view the greatsword like mind flay but how devouring plague and mind blast... all there!
@@CaffeinatedDad Mesmer definitely is arcane mage idea-wise. Specifically designed and doubled down to be super viable and cool. Arcane mage is derived from w3 sorceress who is nothing else but mesmer. It's based on mind games to outplay enemies (making them look like a sheep methaphorically and literally and then crushing them) while shadow priest is about abusing faith to inflict emotional damage under which will the enemy wither. While they both focus on mind mesmer/arcane mage focus on the intelligence aspect while shadow priest on the emotional intelligence.
While i like the idea of what you were going for in this video, I feel like it was put together VERY hastely. You constantly switch between approaching thematic and mechanical similarities and don't stick to either or separate them clearly, that just leads to more confusion. A good example for this i think would be Revenant. You compare revenant to Demon hunters while i would never put them in the same boat. Demon Hunters are very mobile but simple class with easy to manage resource. While revenant's resource is way more similar to the Monk's or Rogue's energy. And like come on Rev's sword main hand 3 is literally Rogue's killing spree. Mechanically i would say Daredevil fits Monk well yes, but also fits demon hunter too with how mobile it is with the extra dodge and just generally the thief's kit. I feel like you could have done more research on the classes to compare abilities and show some examples. You focused too much on comparing one class to another in ways that in my opinion felt forced. You could have mentioned that core necromancer can be considered similar to shadowpriest too because shadow priest builds up insanity to go into void form and dish out damage from range. Similarly core necro builds up it's shroud to go into a lich form and dish out powerful damage from range. Not to mention both focusing on DoT damage. Or i think you mistakenly compared specter with shadowpriest because, well both use shadow magic and have like purple shadowy form and both can support their allies so i guess they are similar. But if anything I would say Specter is more similar to Discipline priest, as disc priests do damage to aid their allies. Not to mention both use barriers to shield their allies from damage. Both specter and disc priest can dish out good amounts of damage and use that to support their allies while giving them shields proactively. Only difference between the two is that disc is waaaaay less mobile than specter and disc doesn't have a big focus on dot damage unlike Specter. So yeah, I like the vid but i feel like there could have been way better comparisons. EDIT: Disc could also be compared to scourge necro, and engineer could be compared to druid from wow because both druid and engineer kinda do a stance dance and they both can always pick the right tool/form for the right job
with the engineer, i think it did lack more thought into it. Holos remember a lot fury warrior and scrappers enhancement shamans a little, especially considering the utility of the gyros or even the turrets. Also. mechanist can play a little like warlocks (of course not considering it's thematics, but mechanic wise).
I think EliteSpecs is where Gw2's combat shines. The base professions are like wow's classes without the Talent system. Band and boring-ish. Many other commenters are highlighting comparisons between EliteSpecs and Specializations. I too think that would be most important. Example: DragonHunter does not fit well the Paladin archetype.
Dragonhunter fits the paladin who dedicated his life to fighting them bad dragons quite well. It's not the generic paladin but paladin nonetheless. Paladin with specific purpose.
The comment about wow not getting a tinkerer but instead a stupid half dragon "just another mage" class really hit :D. so true.... Talking about mages, i think it was a grave mistake by arena net to not give the elementalist a long bow to fullfill that magic archer fantasy, that i personally enjoy. instead elementalist got 2 melee weapons with addons, sword and hammer...
For the totems, its renegate who got them with their assists, hammer elem can fit the role of an evoker for the damage spec, and for the buff spec, it can be related to herald. But its not really a 1 to 1 comparaison
I mean there are no massively direct comparisons and even with the evoker it's even harder to make that so. Perhaps a dagger elementalist breathing fire? Lol
@CaffeinatedDad If you want to have something visually similar, yeah, but evoker is a close range class with high mobility, so pretty much anything that 450-600 range can claim that similarity
It was such a feelbad moment, when playing bc way back then, and replacing my super unspeakable hard to get rok delar and lok delar (probably misspelled) on my hunter main…after this point, it was basically an downwards spiral…over many many years…luckily I always played guild wars some amount of time 😅
I know even less about Dracthyr, having not played WoW at all, but from what I hear it sounds like another spellslinger, so elementalist probably is closest. Mind you, it depends what the player is looking for. If the goal is to have something with a dragon theme, there are three suitable options: The most obvious is a herald revenant: they channel power from the memory of a heroic dragon who died shortly before the game starts, and therefore has abilities involving manifesting ghostly dragon claws to slash at the enemy, wings to blow enemies back with a gust of wind, or breath on a target area. Combining it with pretty much any of the core legends will work (particularly since you can justify all of them having some connection to dragons), but the most natural if you don't think about the lore is probably combining with Mallyx for a condition herald: mostly because mace as your primary melee weapon allows you to regularly set the ground in front of you on fire for a similar feel to dragon breath. Dagger elementalist is also a good choice - any elite specialisation would work, although I'd probably go with catalyst or weaver over tempest. This lets you do a lot of breathing fire (and occasionally cold) on your enemies, and a lot of the other skills can be viewed as elemental manifestations of other dragon attacks. Warhorn is probably the best offhand for this theme, as a lot of warhorn skills feel a bit like they're emulating elemental breath attacks or magic-infused roars. Guardian is a bit less obvious and doesn't make explicit dragon references like the other two do (apart from the dragonhunter Dragon's Maw trap, which when triggered manifests as ghostly dragon jaws that snap around the victim, confining them in place). However, if you run a condition guardian with torch, guardian too can breathe fire (and throw fire around in general). This probably works best with firebrand or willbender: firebrand can potentially be throwing a LOT of cones of fire around if you build for that, while willbender tends to zoom around the battlefield generating fires all around them. However, this is very much something of a 'dragon knight' style rather than a full dragon style, as any guardian build is still going to be relying mostly on more conventional weapon attacks, either martial or spellcasting weapons. Unfortunately, while you'd think soulbeast merging with a drake or wyvern pet would count, the way soulbeast works means that doing so won't give you the breath weapon.
Comparing GW2 classes to WoW classes is weird. To me Necromancer and Thief are like WoW's Discipline Priest (which sounds funny out loud) since both can shield allies with the assistance of their shrouds
Great video! Bit of a weird train of thought here but humor me... Engineer and shaman have overlap, because the _turrets_ act like rudimentary *totems* 😀
@@CaffeinatedDad I only see it that way cause I had a very rudimentary and _superficial_ knowledge of shaman But I remember the little fire one pulsing AoE, and the healing one Figured that overlaps with tremor for AoE, flame turret the fire, and healing for well... Healing 😀
Engineer is essentially if you took engineerING (the craft in WoW) and made it a class in Guild Wars, that's what you get. Also I whole heartedly agree with these takes, yes mesmer is arcane mage, especially Virtuoso. Necro, death knight and warlock comparisons were spot on. And yes ele = shaman with some WoW mage.
One thing to keep in mind is that guardian has the lowest base health pool of the heavy armor classes. It also has the best healing and support skill, so with a little practice keeping yourself alive while beating the crap out of enemies
Hearing the necromancer's description is honestly a little infuriating as someone who mains necromancer/warlock in every game. No offense to you but Summons and minions are so underpowered and bad you really aren't going to have a great experience with it. Necromancer used to be a great Shaman type character with Scourge but with the unnecessary nerf to shade duration that playstyle was butchered to make it more like everyone else rather than its unique way of playing. Even months after that I'm still really upset about that change.
Class design in GW2 used to be amazing (from a class identity and fantasy perspective) but since specializations it's been barely okay to straight up stupid sometimes. I don't think specializations are the problem, it's more the guys who are in charge who seem to be incapable of doing them well. They're really struggling with class identity and fantasy and making all that make sense in the lore while still giving interesting gameplay options. They often do some weird things and I can't help but think they're trying to be original just for the sake of being original and they mix and match things incoherently believing that's how you're creative. Like the willbender that has a name that is just taken out of a hat, and put some monk moves on an agressive knight with double swords.... All of that just doesn't really blend together. And then there's the Dragonhunter that has the most stupid name with the most stupid theme. Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have any problem with the themes they are going for with the guardian IF they were doing it well, and IF we also had the option of the classic tanky paladin or the priest like healer with white magic (like the gw1 monk for example) that everyone likes and expects when they first create a guardian and read its description at character creation ! The idea of them creating some weird stuff with obvious flaws while we are missing on classic stuff that are straight up simpler and that everyone expects can be so annoying sometimes it just discourages me from playing some of my characters. And this is just talking about the guardian here... they ALL have problems like that.
@@Ojyh My personal "favourite": Elementalist being originally set up as a classic ranged spellcaster, with a close-in weapon option. And then every single elite specialisation is designed for melee. (There are ways to make them work as non-melee builds, but you can tell from the marketing what they were designed for.) Now, I like the melee mage concept in general, but elementalist really needed an elite specialisation that was designed around the more standoff spellcaster style.
