that'd be an appology to the patriarch of constantinople, not the patriarch of moscow, if it wasn't for the sacking of constantinople, the patriarchate of moscow wouldn't exist
@@justinian-the-great You an't possibly be serious. Try studying a little history before making such ridiculous claims. the stolen goods taken during the sack of Constantinople were sold to the merchant families of Venice where they exist TO THIS DAY. The pope excommunicated every participant in the sacking of Constantinople and sent supplies and aid to help rebuild the city. As for the "Latin" patriarch, that's an outright myth. The French oppression of Greece had nothing to do with the sack, and the patriarchs placed in position were recognized and accepted by the Eastern bishops and patriarchs as well as the Western. Stop making things up in a blatant and hollow attempt to attack the Catholic Church. You are obviously biased and trying to justify your prejudices.
@@powertotherobots0 well, from what I heard the Orthodox Church accuses the Vatican of being "fake Christians" because Orthodoxy was the first and original Christianity before it split up. To be fair, the Orthodox Church has a good point. So for almost thousand years they argued who is right and the true Christian ideology.
This is really funny. The New Pope doesn't hold back against leaders he doesn't like so his unusual silence may suggest some sort of respect for a fellow ultraconservative.
Ultraconservatives of different bases for their ultraconservative don't really respect each other. Muslim clerics don't respect Christian fundamentalists just because they're both conservative, and British fascists don't respect the Myanmarese military junta
@@CodaMission Live in a Conservative muslim country can confirm. In fact I see it that groups that have similar values but happen to be in different 'factions' hate each other more than people who have different values than them. You can probably guess the what hardline muslim clerocs and preachers say about the Christian ideology and vice versa. It all comes down to the small differences and who is in power. There's probably exceptions to this too, sometimes theres the rare muslim preacher praising the Conservative christians or jews who reject moderm social changes etc.
@Flavius Theodosius lmao don't try so hard to be snarky. You know perfectly well that I'm talking about the Catholic Church. The one which you spread lies about in other comments.
Stefan Kuznetsov I think he was too disillusioned by the idol to really pay attention to what was going on. It wasn't meant to be an actual historical thing.
What was/is the purpose of their meeting each other? It looked like they found nothing to say to each other and the patriarch looked shocked to see that statue.
Orthodoxy holds that such statues are a form of idolatry even if it was a saint or angel it would still be idolatry which is heretical, however that statue goes beyond the pale in that it is heathen. Needless to say given such differing views they may have a lot to not say.
holy statues of angels and saints are more biblical than an Eastern orthodox painted Icon.... Just read the ARk of the Covenant or the Temple of Solomon and you will see a lot of description of Cherubim statues...But not a single painted Icon...
What is the statue that the patriarch is looking at? Also, what’s the context of the scene and how does the statue and the awkward silence fit into it.
It’s the Venus of Willendorf, a fertility statue that’s over 25,000 years old. another character mentioned it’s hypnotic quality so it’s kind of a running joke that it keeps catching the attention of these religious men
I imagined that the reason for the awkward silence was because of the idolatrous nature of having a pagan votive figure in the office of the pontiff so the patriarch’s reaction was like “wwhhhhaaaat? Why do you have that here?”
@freneticness _ Dude, where are you getting your information from? Eastern Orthodox bishops CANNOT be married. They are ALWAYS chosen from among celibate clergy.
@freneticness _ He divorced his wife BEFORE he became a monk 🤦🏽♂️ he was a priest for less than a year before he left her. And btw, you say the Catholic Church is “insane” about these sorts of things, but you fail to realize that the Eastern Catholic Churches follow the exact same discipline as the Orthodox Churches in this matter. Just goes to show how little you actually know about the subject.
The Young Pope was just waiting for The Patriarch of Moscow to say that He wishes to return under the magisterium of Rome ...until then not much to discuss
@@JetShanghai Yeah. In our language it is "Papa" which means pope but without the Roman connotation. For example the "Pope of the Coptic Orthodox church of Alexandrea" is the title for the head of the holy synod of the Coptic church. He would be "first among equals" and not a central body like the Pope of Rome.
It's rather excessive that he'd wear a golden cope and miter in his office. That's not the proper use or attire for a pontiff in that situation. Those are liturgical vestments, not everyday, regal garments. This shows immaturity and narcissism.
So many RC in comments going on about how any orthodox church would submit to Rome. To believe this is to completely misunderstand the issues that created the schism and quite frankly, lack any humility in the origin of the Church and the Patriarchs.
@@mosesking2923 you are just self interpreting the bible, youre just a protestant, each denomination of christianity interprets jesus' crucifiction differently, fucking learn about what other people believe and actually read the bible before making these assumptions based on your childhood sunday school lessons orthodox christians view christ's crucifiction as him delving into hell and defeating hell, hence why we say "trampling down death by death", like we're celebrating D-Day Catholics believe that jesus took a fall for us so we can all be saved protestants believe that jesus died so we wouldn't need hierarchy or apostolic authority I don't believe the protestant doctrine anymore because of how many different protestant sects there are that just self interpret the bible and base their faith on someone's subjective opinion we have hierarchy for a reason, to make sure that people are practicing faith the correct way and to make sure we are united and strong, that authority is granted by jesus himself, to the apostles, the apostles passed their power down to the bishops, the bishops became the patriarchs when the church grew beyond what the bishops could handle alone
that's what they're supposed to do, the patriarchs of the orthodox church are considered to be equal with the pope, because the pope was originally the patriarch of rome
1.Could have been craved as another god before God(1st commandment)2. graven image(another)3.Nude 4.ugly fat and head masked..Venus of Wilendorph was not cute. Worldly and vile in many ways.
It’s a Neolithic fertility goddess. The Vatican maintains a collection of ancient art, so it was probably put there for decoration. The Patriarch of Moscow however comes from a tradition that utilizes icons instead of statues, so for him to see a pagan statue inside of the papal office was evidently quite shocking for him.
@@kyledonahue9315 Yup, would probably be taken as a deliberate insult putting up a statue of an ancient fertility goddess in a place meant to hold a meeting with an Orthodox leader. Honestly it's probably a bad idea for Catholics as well as they have museums to display that sort of stuff and it really doesn't belong in Papal offices or places the Pope is going to carry out official functions (as rank & file Catholics don't like those displays in Churches, holy ground, etc either).
Somehow I think this had very little if any technical advisors insofar as how Catholicism works. I shudder to think of what idiotic uninformed and completely faulty doctrine or theology may have been touted here!
I'm sorry to say but all the major changes have come from the Catholic Church. Baptism used to be full immersion, leavened bread was used for communion, the Niceine Creed stated that the Holy Spirit comes from the Father, "and through the Son" was not mentioned. Priests married from the beginning of the Church until that was changed, and the infallibility of the Pope was not an original idea, but also developed. I'm not Orthodox, but these are some changes that the Eastern Orthodox have been opposed to not including the changes from Vatican II
@@alexandrub8786 Nah you guys did. U guys were pissed off after being excommunicated by the Pope..Thus finally decided to break off from Catholicism during 1054.
watch you thought if front of me before meeting begins, cause I can course you to be sister if love or to be pharos if I hates.. script cc: fusemalaysia
To be honest, I don’t think this scene strays too far from the truth. “Will you submit to Rome?” “No.” “Okay. Let’s give it, say, 20 minutes so the folks out there think we’re making progress here.” “Fine by me.” “Can I get you anything to drink?” “Oh, the usual. Thank you.”
@@Ian-fw2fp what are you clown talking about? patriarchs always were russian governments puppets since tsardom, and during cccp all priests were kgb agents. so they frenchkiss putins ass everyday. putin just makes show out of his "piety" because it helps to keep religious russians obedient
I am unsure what even in particular you are referring to but you are correct like when the Orthodox Bishops systematically covered up hundreds of sex abuse cases? and like the time the Brazilian Orthodox Bishop had a circus liturgy with clowns and circus music? like the liturgical abuses that happen daily in the Orthodox services? or how about the son of Orthodox Patriarch who had an orgy in the Papal Palace?.Or how about a major reform in the Orthodox Church in the 1960s which was made in part by Protestants?
Anton Babani firstly we never bowed to communism we were exterminated by it. Also regarding Islamic conquest you forget they took Spain and western churches from you too "so easily". Also the Greek homosexual churches have no communion with the Patriarch or the Greek orthodox church. Also our church never fell into the sin of letting thousands of innocent children being molested and covered up by the Vatican. And I do not think the Vatican can talk about living in luxury while people around you starve. Both churches have mistakes but we never went against the Bible with graven images.
Anton Babani a treaty that still has the Popes signature on it. Of course they coped with it they had no choice but they never taught it or endorsed it in churches that's why thousands of clergy and orthodox Christians were butchered under it.
@National Socialism You're the one rejecting the teachings of Jesus Christ. It certainly wasn't Jesus Christ who taught you to gloat the supposed damnation of another man, nor was it Jesus Christ who taught you to judge another man. And it DEFINITELY wasn't Jesus Christ who taught you to adopt the name of the Nazi party as your username.
@@khatack The word "Catholic" is not inherently Roman Catholicism. Nor is a lowercase o "orthodoxy" necessarily meaning the Orthodox Church. Both sides use these terms.
Its very saddening to see these comments on this video. I hope and pray with all my heart that the Orthodox and Catholics reunify one day and end this schism.
@ۛ it's lukewarm of me to want to put an end to the schism and reunite God's church under the blessed sacrament? If you think that's something evil, all of Christendom in full communion again, then you, not I, will be spit out.
@@basileus1447 Compromise the Church to please the schismatics? I'll stick with the Church, you stubborn schismatics shall burn if you are that thickheaded and deaf.
@@LuisRincon-wr4dm Ok heretic. The Protestant heretics is bastard son of Latin heretics and Both of Roman Catholics and Protestants go far from the truth. Your institution are distorted. See Vatican II and your "inventions" after you go astray from the truth.
@@basileus1447 Says the guy from a sect whose main converts are protestants who even after their convertion they still remain acting as protestants and even use protestant arguments. Says the guy from a sect that constantly splits due to regional and national issues. Says the guy whose members say different things about what supposedly is the "orthodox" faith. Says the guy who probably is just another protestant larper who became a russian just for pretty colors and not for real substance. Keep deluding yourself believing protestantism (which shares even more traits with schismatic byzantines than with the Roman Catholic Church) was a work of the Roman Catholic Church and not one of corrupt politicians using heretics for their goals against the empire. Keep deluding yourself thinking that freemasonic sect (which your sect prays with) is the Catholic Church.
The Queen in The Crown has a similar one when receiving Prime Ministers, and tells Princess Margaret when she presses a similar one elsewhere "Hey, that's MY button!"
I always thought the Patriarch had a fancier, rounder hat with a cross and lappets. Also, the Venus of Willendorf is kind of suggestive of the Pachamama thing at the Vatican.
The Patruarch of Moscow does have a rounded klobuk. It has two Seraphim on the lappets, and the gilded cross on the top. This scene is funny, but relatively inaccurate.
There was a certain awkward silence in the room that was almost palpable. It was broken by the Orthodox representative looking at what looks to me like a Minoan statue from the island of Crete. I really want to know what was going through his head when he was looking at that. Did he disapprove because of this toleration of idolatry? Or did he approve because of the breadth of the knowledge and the collection of his Catholic companion? Was he preparing himself to criticise him? Or was he having second thoughts about how much common interest the two really had? Or was he going to get angry that something from an Orthodox country (Greece) should be with the Catholics and not with the Orthodox? Or is he happy that the Catholics are more pagan than the Orthodox? Whatever he planned his response to be, all of this was disrupted by the papal pressing of a secret button, causing a serving one to create a natural looking diversion, releasing him from wherever he anticipated might come next. So many unanswered questions. But it feels to me that the Orthodox side successfully routed the highest representative of the Latin side. Nevertheless, the Latin side would still have the numerical advantage, not to mention the economic, financial, political and military advantage in the complex network of alliances and affiliations that dot the globe.
You need to see it plainly. This tv series is fiction. The mockery are insinuations of sexual lust while looking at the earth mother goddess fertility statue. The person who wrote the script is a nasty propagandists in the Communist tradition.
@@johnfisher247 But why would they depict the Roman Catholic church displaying an icon of the mother goddess? Are they trying to accuse the Church of something?
I assume you mean the Catholic Pope of Rome, not the Orthodox Pope of Alexandria nor the Coptic Pope of Alexandria….(there is no Orthodox Pope of Rome since 12/25/800).
The full title of the Christ's Church is as the Roman Canon says. And all orthodox believers if the Catholic, apostolic faith. Roman Rite Christians are generally very unhappy about the Modernist popes especially Paul VI and Francis.Etymologically, modernism means an exaggerated love of what is modern, an infatuation for modern ideas, "the abuse of what is modern", as the Abbé Gaudaud explains (La Foi catholique, I, 1908, p. 248). The modern ideas of which we speak are not as old as the period called "modern times". Though Protestantism has generated them little by little, it did not understand from the beginning that such would be its sequel. There even exists a conservative Protestant party which is one with the Church in combating modernism. In general we may say that modernism aims at that radical transformation of human thought in relation to God, man, the world, and life, here and hereafter, which was prepared by Humanism and eighteenth-century philosophy, and solemnly promulgated at the French Revolution. J.J. Rousseau, who treated an atheistical philosopher of his time as a modernist, seems to have been the first to use the word in this sense ("Correspondance à M. D.", 15 Jan. 1769). Littré (Dictionnaire), who cites the passage; explains: "Modernist, one who esteems modern times above antiquity". After that, the word seems to have been forgotten, till the time of the Catholic publicist Périn (1815-1905), professor at the University of Louvain, 1844-1889. This writer, while apologizing for the coinage, describes "the humanitarian tendencies of contemporary society" as modernism. The term itself he defines as "the ambition to eliminate God from all social life". With this absolute modernism he associates a more temperate form, which he declares to be nothing less than "liberalism of every degree and shade" ("Le Modernisme dans l'Église d'après les lettres inéditesde Lamennais", Paris, 1881).
what a perfect detail, in soviet regions friends kissing left cheek when meeting and when departing ! and Jude went for the second but he left !!! just perfect !
@@GonzoInside Зачем же вы, Сирожа, дезинформируете западную общественность относительно наших традиций? Мы целуемся при встрече - троекратно с друзьями, давними знакомыми. Троекратно. Вот своих родных целуем один раз - без церемоний. Братва обнимается и целуется, приживаясь щеками. А уж как целовался Леонид Ильич, это вообще притча во языцех.
@@tliloselotl_ ... In the Russian Orthodox Church, priests of equal rank or well-known can greet each other by kissing each other's hand - they hold each other's hand and kiss it at the same time. Unfortunately, I did not find a photo or video, but whoever visits service in a church could see this - such a greeting is accepted when meeting at a service or when approaching communion. The priests can greet each other by kissing each other on the shoulder.
Who are the Liturgical costume advisers for this program? The mitre and cope are worn by the pope and other bishops only at liturgical celebrations in Church and at the altar, never sitting at a desk. It makes the whole thing look foolish!
Giovanni Serafino And that is the headgear of a Russian Metropolitan, not the Patriarch. The whole thing is glorified Disney, unfortunately, because there is a serious point to be made.
Pretty sure the Pope in this show makes a point of dressing extravagantly as a display of power and glory to God or something, but I dont know about the Patriarch. Knowledge about Orthodoxy is unfortunately very rare in the West
The whole show is a joke on icons and it never ever aims at accuracy. The main character is like a disillusioned brat who plays pope, the show is about him, not about the papacy, it hardly matters whether something is plausible or not, the pope thing is just a way of exploring a troubled life and personality.
We the Orthodox pray for Unity with our lost family the western church but unity in repentance of all the innovations and Heresy, and only then true unity
@@TotalTryFails : Thank you we appreciate you bing prepared to do the same but we have no innovations or heresy that we can give up for you dear brother !
My interpretation: They were silent, neither wanted to argue, neither wanted to relent... Orthodox patriarch looked at the pagan idol displayed, thinking to himself nothing changed for the better and confirming his assumptions... Pope simply got a good excuse to go "so sorry, really wished to talk, but can't..." Lastly for the goodbye... Patriarch wanted an orthodox bishops' goodby, kissing hands of each other, but the pope instead went for a mock cheek kiss, just because he didn't really want to kiss each other, nor be treated as an equal...
Никогда Патриарх не станет целовать руку Папе. По поводу фильма- когда цивилизация приближается к своему краху- они начинают высмеивать своего Бога. Западная цивилизация катится к своему концу, давайте быстрее.
