The Yu-Gi-Oh Marketing Problem

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@apsamplifier Год назад

Like if you would be interested in an Anime Deck only side format, officially supported by Konami! I think it would much more closely resemble the anime themes that they like to market. But where would you draw the line? 🤔

@haroldnecmann7040 Год назад

Summon blue eyes without tribute. Set and pass turn.

@r3zaful Год назад

Just use legend anthology banlist and hit dd.

@darkcow7of9 Год назад

How would you handle things like zombies and Dinosaurs that are and are not anime

@kenhan7410 Год назад

Would support it

@RunicSigils Год назад

I would draw the line at types and boss monsters/support because that's what I consider pure. Ideally they would all be one type but at the very least they should be related to the archetypes being used. In my favorite fun deck, Dark Magistus, there are only 5 cards in the core deck that are not Spellcaster and those 5 are related to (and basically necessary for) the two primary archetypes. My side deck would need fixing since it's meant to smokescreen into basically pure DM Fusion with a bunch of handtraps etc. but beyond that it would be fine. Probably the simplest rule to put in place to make that happen would be to specifically require those be true of the ED. No running Zeus unless you're slapping down a Jinzo deck or something, in other words. Could also require the main deck to not use cards from more than two archetypes unless they are the same type as the anime archetype if you really want to keep it relatively pure. Essentially, cards that the deck would feasibly use in a modern anime good, cards that they wouldn't bad. Yugi's deck may have been a bit of a mess, but if it were happening with the more modern series in mind, Atem isn't likely to plop Zeus on his Ebon Illusion. He probably would summon a Gagaga Magician to modify it's level to 7 and then XYZ into that Ebon Illusion with his Dark Magician to begin with though.

@TaikunZ Год назад

3:16 Thank you, this is exactly what's in my mind when I view cards like Accesscode Talker as a problematic card to the game. I always hate facing unique archetypes as my opponent and get excited for a match that am experiencing for the first time, only for their end board to be on an Accesscode. It really robs decks of their identity by everyone needing or requiring these generic Extra Deck staples to win. Love that you guys are always consistent in talking about this specific point at the topics you all choose. More players have to be aware that card designs like this are a problem. Keep being my current favorite Yugitubers yo!

@ExeErdna Год назад

I agree too many people just "deal" with it because it nets them wins yet they don't get that ironically stagnates the game. Which is what older players are trying to tell them. No game should be over an turn, the overreliance on staple cards especially the extra deck. Hand traps you MUST draw on the first turn.

@aaronflores999 Год назад

Extra deck cards definitely made it overly complicated and 1-card-win esque type of card game

@r3dr0cket58 Год назад

my favorite deck is Mecha Phantom Beasts and it ends on Barrone :l

@algar6616 Год назад

I feel like you’re really touching on one problem I see with yugioh today. The craze for yugioh cards started with excitement from its anime/products. You saw the creatures from the show on your cards. I never got all the pieces of exodia but I knew kids who had them and it was cool because of what I heard in the show. Now they have to generate hype for the cards without really having a thriving show to present the lore and context of why these cards are cool.

@ora5799 Год назад

This is 100% on point, tge fact that there isnt real advertising of the world legacy, albaz or starfrost lore is such a missed opportunity, there is a reason league of legends releases those multi million dollar animated shorts, they work to get people interested in the game.

@abrahammesrajecorrea2349 Год назад

After 25 years of the game, with it nowadays having so many cards, most of them being involved into archetypes instead of the "random dungeon crawling" monsters from the OG days; and some of the archetypes being part of a big branching storyline with the oldest example being Duel Terminal, it's wild to think Konami only pays attention to the anime aspect and keeps pumping stuff related to the first anime, like supports, action figures of Yugi, Kaiba, Dark Magician, Dark Magician Girl, Blue Eyes; even millennium items' based toys... but rarely anything related to the rest of the game. The only small difference is OCG stories which is a manga covering the Sky Striker storyline; and even at that, that's only released in the OCG, not TCG. They could create so much more from the archetypes, like standalone games based on them, action figures (who says Dark Magician Girl has to be the only YGO waifu?); anime or movies; hell, some small shorts or OVAs would be fine. Then again, I guess they don't exploit their archetypes in this sense because that would imply they're hyping them for the potential buyers. And if they hyped the archetypes, it's because they plan on releasing new support for them that could make them either meta or more playable like how OCG stories is currently doing with Sky Stryker by implementing new support. And while I do understand why they don't do it, at the same time I find it dumb not to make their products more appealing beyond being a TCG game. Like, at least the older YGO video games tried to make the franchise slightly different from just a card game with Duelist of the Roses, Capsule Monsters, Falsebound Kingdome and Dungeon Dice Monsters. Konami is currently in enough of a good position with YGO to try their hands on more spin offs of the franchise... as long as they don't try to capitalize on the gacha format (Cross Duel) and fail miserably like anyone else using a popular IP like Jojo or Blazblue.

@3cho_dimension285 Год назад

As a 34 year old Duel Links player for nostalgia and to see the state of the TCG. Learning all the new summoning styles. Definitely makes you see what style fits you best win or lose you definitely have to be in tune with all styles and also what kind of fun you want to have

@sr7olsniper Год назад

I def have more fun in Duel Links that I do with the TCG or Master Duels. Its not fun at all watching your opponent set up for like 20 mins with multiple crap. Duel Links is fast paced enough that you can still enjoy complex chained plays while not making you want to just quit instantly out of annoyance. The skills also add another dimension of play as the decks themselves are not the end all be all. A well timed skill can completely turn the match around. Honestly wish they marketed Duel Links more instead of Master Duel.

@3cho_dimension285 Год назад

@@sr7olsniper so true... glad to know theirs people out there who feel as I do and want to compete and have fun

@BlessedVeteranAdventures Год назад

I'm 36, I understand. DL got me back up to speed. Its fun playing the new charters and skills. Trying new cards and just building decks. I like the tutorials. At first I didn't like links or synchro but learning how to use them is fun. I don't use them a lot but its still fun. God bless

@vileluca Год назад

Its not even about knowing what your deck does though. You have to know what everyone else's deck can do as well. Or else you'll be reading for the next half hour.

@3cho_dimension285 Год назад

@@BlessedVeteranAdventures Yes I definitely brush up on the tutorials when I want to add a different card to a character that can benefit their deck...glad you are enjoying learning new ways to play brother.. Hope it stays fun for you

@burningandrew1062 Год назад

I genuinely think that one of the main problems with yugioh nowadays and part of why its so hard to get into is theres no meta narrative. Like as a comparison, whats a game of the pokemon tcg supposed to represent? Simple, a battle between trainers who each trained their team of monsters to fight each other. Whats MTG about? A duel between powerful wizards summoning creatures and casting spells theyve learned on their adventures through the multiverse. Now, whats yugioh about? .........who knows? Like yes we originally had the idea that it came from ancient Egyptian sorcerers battling like in the original anime, but that stopped really making sense ever since GX had a main character whos deck was mostly super heroes. Hell it kind of stopped making sense even in the original series just out of machine and sci-fi based cards existing. Like genuinely, if I summon a monster, what is that supposed to represent? What is the entire duel supposed to represent? What are "duelists" other than just people who play this game? Why can I play fallen of albaz, a character who has an entire kind of dark storyline separate from anything else, and act like its perfectly normal for him to be fighting against my opponent whos playing live twin, an archetype based around vtubers. I dont think they need an overarching plot like mtg does with its story, I just think it needs at least some kind of identity instead of seemingly being a card game about whatever the hell it decides to be about that week. I dont like that all they really advertise is the old yugioh either, but I kinda of dont blame them for doing so when if they started advertising the new stuff it would feel extremely random to people outside the main player base that they want to join in. I think a lot of people for the most part want ideas and concepts they can latch onto and understand in a short amount of time, and yugioh hasnt really had that almost since it began.

@SGD_ToysDownUnder Год назад

I think in some ways D-Hero Destroyer Phoenix Enforcer and Red-Eyes Dark Dragoon are kind of what you're implying at the beginning. Themed cards that are really pushed over generics. Personally I prescribe to the idea of generics being weaker vs pushed cards being stronger, exactly as you do, but I think in some ways this type of philosophy of making the pushed cards in theme is the direction you'd want to go if you wanted to make the nostalgic themes relevant. I think that, with more locks to themes, would help bridge the gap that nostalgia players find when they return.

@apsamplifier Год назад

Yes! I find myself thinking this a lot. More in-theme summon locks could do wonders.

@Pravanul Год назад

I am still of the firm mindset that YGO's biggest problem is the lack of set rotation. YGO's greatest strength was its' thematic style/design, the archetype structures, and the idea of traps/set cards leading to psychological tactics and interactions. YGO's biggest weakness is the loss of actual traps/set cards (in favor of hyper speed hand traps and such), the invention of new archetypes constantly, and the power creep acceleration from lack of set rotation. If YGO stopped trying to make new archetypes constantly (and retained its' mystical monster styles a bit more instead of the sci-fi cyber-stuff they've been leaning into more with each anime series), they could use set rotations to make new archetypes for the famous YGO monsters and stuff. Imagine Dark Magician and Blue Eyes having different archetypes/styles every set, that feels like Dark Magician or Blue Eyes but also new/refreshing. Konami is great at coming up with new playstyle ideas yet they don't invest that into iconic and marketable cards. They invest it into cards that new or casual players don't know and can't identify with. It's like if Pokemon stopped using Pikachu and Eevee as a mascot in Gen 2 and started using Pikachu clones as the mascot with each generation. It doesn't invoke the same power or feel.

@madwheelsgaming2360 Год назад

The ban list is the rotation list. It’s literally impossible to do a set based rotation because of the yugioh is designed. You’d have some decks lose all but like 3 cards and some decks would be at full power. How’s that fair?

@Hurricane1990 Год назад

The could have rotated based on the anime. As soon as the GX set came out then the DM would be rotated and so on. But they didn’t so the format rotates after each set is dropped and a ban list

@Pravanul Год назад

@@nmr7203 It's not really the same thing. The difference is card bloat and power creep. When you have thousands to 10's of thousands of cards, you'd have to ban large segments of them to get to the same level as set rotation. At which point, incorporating set rotations is easier for new/casual people to understand. With 1000's to 10000's cards to choose from, people experience either choice paralysis, too many cards to remember/learn, and either unseen broken combos (which will only exponentially increase in frequency as more cards get added) or... in YGO's specific case... extreme power creep. YGO makes most older cards completely worthless, which is effectively a set rotation, by making new card sets vastly stronger. But power creep only helps Spike oriented players because only Spikes are competitive enough to invest that amount of time to play with the expanded mechanics/rules that comes with power creep. Set rotation allows card games to reset the power level softly each set and minimize power creep. Even allowing you to creep backwards. You can't do that without set rotation. " they just need to learn to design cards better." - It will never happen. If they designed cards better (better balanced), people won't be as incentivized to buy new cards. Once they make a Tier 1 or Tier 0 deck, why would they buy entire new sets? Maybe they'll purchase a new deck if the idea appeals to them, but the amount of cards being bought would drop substantially. Konami incentivizes players to buy into new cards by making them stronger. They'll never be better designed.

@madwheelsgaming2360 Год назад

@@Pravanul you don’t think they’ve released weaker sets on purpose for the exact reasons you mentioned. Shadow Specters was one of the weakest sets of all time and they used a ban list to force us to play cards from it. That’s exactly what rotation is. Set rotation is not the only way to do rotation. As someone else mentioned they could’ve done an era based rotation when the GX anime hit they could have banned the DMs cards from the DM would only become legal once released in a gx era product in that case but they chose the overall ban list route. The point is yugioh does have rotation in it’s own form. The format they use works much better for the way yugioh is designed by the way. Johnny and Timmy should get jobs so they can have disposable income like spike does then they can play yugioh. There are plenty of budget options. Traptrix costs $30 In it’s most basic form and can win you local tournaments you can sell your winnings( cards from from packs) for cash or use them to improve your collection as a new player. You are making an argument about something that will literally never change.

@Powerman293 Год назад

I was just at the 250th YCS and every deck I played against had 2-3 backrow. And it wasn't just trap decks.

@PatJamma Год назад

Yugioh is marketed to children and nostalgic casuals, but the tournament meta NEVER allows either of them thrive

@Pravanul Год назад

Doesn't help, either, when nostalgic casuals try to enter the space and get assaulted by the more hardcore Spikes for missing the things the game marketed but doesn't provide.

@sandythamtono2081 Год назад

Welp. Konami's most recent card promotion in anime was dead when they fired studio gallop after Vrainz.

@nicholascodallos2154 Год назад

Yeah I really enjoy watching lore videos on yugioh archetypes, it would really be sick to see those stories animated and brought to "life"

@zeemaster99 Год назад

I leave powerful, generic, boss monsters to people who play in tourneys. I play a casual, modified-traditional format with friends where we all play iconic monster decks. My Blue-Eyes deck aims to use modern support to actually be able to play Shining Dragon, Dragon Master Knight or any other BE boss monster. I find the competitive side intimidating and stifling to deck variety. I would fully support an alternate, official format where players can try to make their Dark Sage deck viable. It's difficult to draw the line on what should/shouldn't be allowed, but I think players should be allowed to use any cards, so long as the aim of the deck is to duel with a focus on iconic monster archetypes and bosses. I have to admit, playing something like Shining Dragon using only cards of the time is not great, but using a mix of modern archetype support, and old, powerful staples actually makes niche, anime monsters playable. Also, Pot of Greed should be required in every deck, just like it was in every anime duel lol

@tha1stalchemist Год назад

*Vader snickerz* twin blowed... *Vader breathez heavy*

@YourDM64 Год назад

I know it’s late but I saw one of you guys in one of the master duel ads. Congrats.

@TheLastSane1 Год назад

We need Era tiers with different rules that change how the game is played. So no need to ban a card but in some tiers a card is just not gonna thrive. For example an Era 1 tier could have limited special summons per turn or something

@redcastlefan Год назад

It's just that newer cards and art aren't cool imo to be marketable other than the waifus for degen weebs. And alot of the modern ygo decks do things that are anti fun and are very obnoxious if you objectively look at things. So Konami can't use those to be the first thing that's exposed to new people.

@Uzik0uchiha Год назад

How I felt with Dragonmaid, it's link/synchro summon. There isn't enough support for them outside of doing link/synchro just to have a board with at least the ace monsters plus some extra.

@bleack8701 Год назад

local card shop actually runs anime deck format, but the decks are put together by the shop and people that made them and gave them to the shop. When the tournament starts you roll for a deck and everyone is given one based on the roll. It's fun that they have this thing going, but it's very restrictive in a way because you can only run the decks the cardshop runs. You can't make your own anime deck and bring it to the tournament because konami never made any specific rules for the anime format so it's completely up to the shop

@depressedkermit5337 Год назад

I think Konami should market more Speed Dueling to the casual audience. It's fun and easy to get into and you will be able to utilize cards from the anime in a viable setting.

@asdasdas1994 Год назад

Honestly the only way I play YuGiOh these days is building weak/old decks on YGOPRO and playing against the AI or against myself (it even has a cool 2v1 mode). Deck power levels go from 0 (crap like Dokurorider, Sogen, Reinforcements) to 4 (strongest decks I can build from old stuff): Dark1, Gate2, Dino3, Water0, Forest3, Ra4, E-Hero4, Slifer2, etc. I rarely include an XYZ. And never Synchro/Pendulum/Link. Edit: Also cards with too much text are an instant NO.

@eldavid8774 Год назад

But then people would start complaining about konami using promotions to sell new archetypes, and complain about their art style, and how they have forgotten about legacy monsters, or how new archetypes get preferential treatment , I know that because that’s exactly what happened last year with sky striker, albaz and visas, maybe that’s why they only focus on ocg , tcg players seem to just wanna complain regardless of what’s goin on

@RunicSigils Год назад

The Japanese just have a culture of complaining behind your back. If you're not seeing it it just means you're not looking in the right place. Ever heard of 4Chan? It was modelled after Japanese imageboards where people act much the same.

@kampy19 Год назад

I think the new manga series focusing on archetype stories they're doing is a good starting point for a new approach to marketing for the game. Might not fix the whole "the game actually revolves around your end board, which is often unrelated from your deck's archetype" thing, but it's a start.

@animegx45 Год назад

Before, the anime alone was enough for marketing. They introduce characters, be badasses, and the game itself would release their cards that we would've wanted to play from watching. It certainly worked for me. Now the anime wants to stay the hell away from the Master Rules, and for good reasons.

@TheMorbidHobo Год назад

Advertisements aren't for existing audiences, they for luring in new audiences (or back old audiences). If people that see these commercials invest in their product at all, then the advertisements are successful. And they do, and are. The core issue isn't that the advertisements aren't representative of the game, but that the game can't be representative of the advertisement because such decks aren't viable. To which, the best solution, as usual, is more formats.

@TheMorbidHobo Год назад

But also, yes, in general, normal "boss" monsters should be stronger stat-wise than effect boss monsters. Power creep disagrees, though.

@passaroquetzalcoatlus6205 Год назад

a World legacy anime or Albaz lore anime would be so good there's no way it wouldn't get new people into it

@UTgohan Год назад

They are advertising for the kids of “back then” which are grown up now and have money lol

@nicolaubezerra1949 Год назад

Anime fans have exodia ftk decks to win 1 out of 7 games. DM and blue-eyes decks that end on boards that are true to this monsters cant get a single win

@nekosun Год назад

This why I like mtg they give you back story

@Assailant17 Год назад

The game is broken. It was originally a back and forth of chess like tactician. Now it's just play all the cards in your deck in the first turn and see if the other can stop you. The game should not be over in the first turn a majority of the time. We might as all be playing mill/exodia decks and playing solitaire.

@_C_Boy_ Год назад

Yu-Gi-Oh anime: 3 episode epic battle with counters, highs and lows, close calls and tension. Yu-Gi-Oh TCG: I special summon this to send that to draw this to send that to my GY, once thats done I can summon this and now I special summon this and....*10 minutes later*....I end my turn.

@Cinomod6066 Год назад

See this is funny because I recently started getting into yugioh. And I made a cyber dragon deck it's pretty good. It can win against meta decks but it's a struggle n it needs to be almost perfect to be able to do. I'm currently making a zombie branded deck. So I'm going from like Rouge/low tier 3 to like tier 2 deck lol.

@superstarrushduel Год назад

Why they're Ignoring Rush Duel Existence like Rush Duel is not the other new Meta Option for the new Generation of Audience?

@GroovyDude00 Год назад

Theres tons of DM, Red Eyes, and Blue Eyes support, lol what? Mixing current viable engines and legacy stuff isnt really anything new. I'm not new to the hobby and I've never really met anyone whos like "lol what a joke bro". People are ALWAYS trying to make legacy stuff viable, especially with newer support that is literally being release all the time.

@GaybrohamStinkton Год назад

It by any rights should only pajinko at this point. They know it sells. Rhey will never intentionally not make what they believe to be the best financial choice. If that is selling nostalgia they are obv gunna do that

@awwready_28 Год назад

I don't Think Stardust should fall under this category I understand where you're coming from but The deck still plays How it is intended to play

@TheRoseReaper Год назад

I've been preaching for a while that Konami is sleeping on a whole market of people who would 100% buy decks for Yugioh if they were advertised. Hell, have OTSs get some CD sets with some manga to advertise the game with (Both an officially translated Japanese Dub and in English). Plush Albaz would fly off the shelves, nendroid Dogmatika Ecclesia would sell as well. They are actively shooting themselves in the foot by catering to the ogs. Konami in the west just refuses to let the Pharoh rest and give something new a try.

@josephcourtright8071 Год назад

Promoting decks stories with short is not enough to connect people with them. Its also possible to be irrelevant in a year or so. Black wings was viable at one point, now its not. Yugioh needed a set rotation, like 15 years ago. They could've kept some version of classic decks at a tier 1 or 2 status with good management. But I think its a little late for that. At this point Rush Duel is probably the future of the game. Although I suspect they will repeat the power creep mistake with that game and need another reboot in a decade.

@RunicSigils Год назад

In regards to the anime and being a finite number of people being interested in older archetype players that is definitely nonsense. Anyone can watch them at any time. It will never really make sense to make such a claim but at the very least you have to wait another quarter century to say that. Kids tend to see what their parents enjoyed. This generation will have likely been just as exposed to Dark Magician as anyone 20 years ago. It will only REALLY drop off when you're talking about grandparents but even then you don't magically have people never interact with and enjoy things again just because it's from the past. Especially not when it does keep being pushed. Star Wars is going on 50. Star Trek? 60. Lord of the Rings? 70. Frankenstein? 110. People like these things to date. Even despite the tragic nonsense the first 3 have often gotten up to because insane virtue signalling consoomers are in control of the culture post 2010. Your perception that no one new likes it is demonstrably illogical. Possible but INCREDIBLY unlikely. You're right that they should embrace others (GIVE ME MY TURN BASED JRPG BASED ON THE MAGISTUS ARCHETYPES KOMONEY) but I hope you can see why your justification for it here is nonsense. The real reason is simply because different people like different things (old or new) so if you want to sell to as many of them as possible then you want to put as many different aspects in as many different faces as possible.

@MelosWoodlanders Год назад

Short Answer: More BEWD and DM Support

@ExeErdna Год назад

Yeah especially if you're playing more so towards a theme unless it's a bleeding edge deck there's gonna be trouble even picking up something from 5 years ago or so. There's damn near 3 decades of cards and a lot of people are saying it doesn't make sense how a lot of cards just aren't worth it. Or haven't found a place to be used outside unironically "bad deck" type of environments. Like I looked up one of my old archetype favorites from way back "Vampires" Eventhough it got some modern support. It still doesn't seem "modern" enough.

@davidavila2082 Год назад

Facts brothas

@DonoB713 Год назад

Lmao I love blue eyes

@RarecuisineGaming Год назад

Pokemon is giving Ash a rest. Maybe its time for Konami to follow suit.

@dustinvance243 Год назад

That's not even remotely comparable and you know it.

@RarecuisineGaming Год назад

@@dustinvance243 why not

@dustinvance243 Год назад

@@RarecuisineGaming ash has been a part of the series since its inception and has only just now been retired. Where as with Yugioh, not counting rush and go, we've had 6 different Yugioh series each with their own cast and storylines. Sure we've had some characters come back in GX and Arc-V (And technically 5Ds, but that was a movie) but they were mostly guest appearances that supported the main cast when they appeared outside of their respective series.

@RarecuisineGaming Год назад

@@dustinvance243 I'm referring to Konami continuing to use dark magician and blue eyes white dragon as the face of their game

@dustinvance243 Год назад

@@RarecuisineGaming and what's wrong with that? That's like asking Digimon to stop using Agumon and Gabumon. Or for Pokémon to stop making different versions. There's no need to fix what isn't broken. And it's not like dark magician and blue-eyes are the only ones they've used. They usually use a pair of monsters representing the main character and their rival. Like Stardust dragon and red dragon archfiend, Utopia and Galaxy-eyes, or decode talker and borreload dragon. Dm and blue-eyes just get used more because they're the first and most iconic. And let's not forget we haven't had a mainline Yugioh series since Vrains ended so Konami hasn't had a new pair of rivals to push. They've become more reliant on nostalgia because there isn't a new anime promoting the game yet and giving us new anime cards.

@sepheiba Год назад

I hope they stop making super-generic stuff and add more restrictions on archetypes, COPIUM

@det06f006 Год назад

Another episode of why wont konami officially support casual format? Im sorry team aps, but konami will only do it if ygo is dying, so its not up to konami, coz corporate make money where demand come. Back to the point, the comunity itself must bring the casual level to the konami sense like mtg commander until then konami open their eye. If u dont know mtg commander run by organise community, they handle the banlist, they make the rules 0 idea, to keep casual clean.

@jakeehwilliams8820 Год назад

They also need to move away from the cards and make it more lore based. Mangas could also be more bloody and gory like Naruto level or avengers level manga

@arlanbrooks23 Год назад

Thank you for being brave enough to not post an April fool's joke video 🤣

@Bergsen_Bun-sense Год назад

If they made animated shorts like pokemon, they could really make the merch division pop off. They could go even harder into posters and plushies if they had another medium for these creatures to exist

@r3zaful Год назад

Uh... Yugioh OCG stories? Yugioh jp division has been releasing a group of Manga where you can read the story of specific archetypes. The current one that is ongoing is sentouki/sky striker story The next one probably dragonmaid or evil twins It is not officially in English or what?

@Bergsen_Bun-sense Год назад

@@r3zaful I haven't heard of it until this video and comment, and I've stayed relatively interested in YGO for a long time. I imagine there isn't an official translation or release

@r3zaful Год назад

@@Bergsen_Bun-sense there are severe disconnect between Asian and English players atm. But as right now Malaysia, sg and Indonesia who can speak English are now officially part of the Ocg sphere of distribution. I felt you guys needs to check Ocg jp/tw products first, then compare them to the tcg department, because majority of the fan service products came from the asian division.

@sanic007 Год назад

Not only does the marketing sucks, the market sucks just as much.

@chancylvania Год назад

My shop actually had an event where everyone played just the crystal beast deck. So I guess you have to come up with your own thing to make them viable Also MTG does epic trailers for each of their sets and yu gi oh could do something along the lines of that.

@chancylvania Год назад

Another thing, the reason blue eyes and the DM stuff is still the most popular in the TCG is that they haven’t actually made anything to eclipse it. Sevens and Go are certainly not going to. They have to invest in something new here and the don’t seem willing to

@apsamplifier Год назад

Trailers would be an AMAZING idea! I'd never thought of that before but it sounds very cool. Get people hyped about these new lore stories!

@joshawott_27 Год назад

These are all great points. I feel like Speed Duels could be an anime-only format, but it’s still a side product, and as you say, that era is used to market the main game a bit too heavily. As someone who returned to Yu-Gi-Oh!, I would love an Albaz manga or anime. Localising that Sky Strikers manga would be a good start.

@LucasBuilds Год назад

I feel like Speed Duels is about as close as we're gonna get to an anime format: same basic gameplay, but familiar faces and streamlined for more consistent combo play.

@chrisshorten4406 Год назад

I really wish they would make the lore bits more readily available in the TCG, as it's one of my favorite things about the game.

@TheSliferSlacker199 Год назад

I love the point that you made about viability and how the end board is everything except what your deck is. Hits the nail on the head completely!!

@NexusVFD Год назад

The moment your goal isnt to end on a board based on the theme youre playing, THATS when your off theme. Say I build Speedroid and the whole deck is built using Speedroids but my extra deck is full of nonSpeedroid cards for me to end on, on purpose, then Ive been off theme the whole time.

@Thomaswake Год назад

Meanwhile a crystal beast deck did just win a tournament lol

@eduardowhiteknight6110 Год назад

Probably was the kashtiras build with triple prosperity

@Thomaswake Год назад

@@eduardowhiteknight6110 check out Dkayed he played the deck today

@rubensteinsean Год назад

I agree 100% with this video. I've always wondered why the marketing always goes back to the DM era, but whenever any of those archetypes (aka, blue eys, dark magician, the Egyptian Gods, etc) they always get support that just doesn't do enough for them to compete in the current advanced card game. It would be great if Konami can shift focus on those older archetypes and give them relatively good support to help push the envelope a bit. My thing with YGO is, that there are wayyyy too many archetypes in the game. So some of these older archetypes just don't get the same level of support they ought to get

@ExeErdna Год назад

A lot of archetypes just aren't finished they made an experiment then went lets make 4 more archetypes. So now there's so many cards that aren't good, banned, or will may never get revamped support.

@Sickness4daThickness Год назад

We don't need more DM archetype support to make them meta viable, that's the worst way to tackle the problem. Quick example, if Konami releases a good Blue Eyes support card, that by any means supports dragons in a way, it would just became a new staple for dragon link and probably boost their power level again, it's a balancing problem where if you give new tools to one deck in order to compete you incidentally give that power bump to the rest of the decks. What could fix the problems it's creating a really closed space where those decks are the top and the support is balanced around them specifically and just for them. Something like a 3 way format where Blue eyes, Red eyes and Dark Magician are the only decks allowed to be played withe their own style perfectly focused (big immune beatsticks, burning DMG and recursion and spell/trap control).

@datdude8391 Год назад

Its great seeing older cards in duels and duel challenge videos. Keep up the good work.

@MaxxCTCG Год назад

I love the idea of shorts for new supported archetypes that are meta relevant! I like the idea of a anime side format but I think it runs into the same issues the heart of the underdog formats do since there isn’t Konami guidance. I think the easiest way to make a some what new player friendly format for locals is structure deck only formats. Konami decides what recent structure decks are allowed to be used. How many is it a 3x structure deck tournament or just 1. I like 3 I think it helps with deck building and variance but does increase the price range for entry. I think for this to be successful it would help if Konami pushed this with prizing that gets competitive players interested. But still allowing newer players to feel like at least there playing on somewhat even ground. I think this is a way to learn about your deck and strategy when facing somewhat that is more skillful then you too

@NewtBannner Год назад

People forget that Konami tried the anime format thing in the past and no one showed up for it, it’s just not feasible because the people that want these formats are just all talk and don’t show up for it

@MaxxCTCG Год назад

@@NewtBannner I think attendance would definitely be an issue

@Izag-wn5kd 6 месяцев назад

I think Konami is starting to move in the right direction with marketing because in “The Card Game Chronicles” short they showed Fallen of Albaz and Divine Arsenal AA Zeus among other more modern things. If we can get more stuff like that people would have a better idea of what the game is like.

@Zekaisa Год назад

I think you guys should use your place in the community to champion a new format. Maybe one where you can only use a max of 2 archetypes in your deck and extra deck. My friends and I are playing a format where every card is limited and the extra deck is capped at 3. If one of your extra deck cards get removed you can banish it face-down until your next End Phase where it will go back to your extra. We’ve played a couple games and it’s really fun. Make a new format!

@OakesChannel Год назад

I specialize in Anime decks! I have 23 built decks across Yugioh and Yugioh GX. Classic Yugioh is where the passion is! I also host “Yugioh GX” era tournaments that have a consistent turnout of 5-8 people each Monday night on Long Island in NY. Konami MUST begin to emphasize the old eras like Pokémon does

@darkwolf9637 Год назад

An anime or atleast localization of the tcg structures manga would probably do wonders for this since its just people playing the actual game with actual decks. So far in structures I've seen ash blossom,maxx c,mathmech,tenyi,simorgh, and a ton more I've forgotten.

@hickknight Год назад

I don't agree. They would have to make a separate manga for structures to reflect the TCG state of things if they want newer players into the game.

@LunaticKD1991 Год назад

They market with nostalgia because they know this new crap won't sell anywhere near the same numbers. The card game has become an embarassment compared to what it used to be.

@crostyla51 Год назад

They could easily make a high production value lore anime. But they are just to scared xD

@LunaticKD1991 Год назад

@@crostyla51 The only lore I'd be really interested in is The World Challice stuff because that involves various archetypes.

@celtic1842 Год назад

Team APS. What you're not understanding between the competitive and casual scene. Is if you go back in time to the early days of Yu-Gi-Oh the were always five monsters 5e spells and five trap cards. That the competitive players and casual players could all agree upon that were good. And they were good and every single deck. And if you did put these fifteen good cards in your deck you were going to relatively be okay when you were playing a game you would win some games and you would lose some games. But now there's not those 15 cars that you can put in any deck the make the deck good. That's what's really missing from modern Yu-Gi-Oh from a game-play standpoint is there's not just 15 good generic cards that people can put in there decks five good monsters five good spells. And five good trap. When people said they're old-school deck used to be good they were talking about those 15 cards you don't have that in modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Putting a pot of extravagance. In your DAC does not make it slightly better. It can actually make it worse.

@GamesbyMarcWolff Год назад

I think what you mean to say is that Yugioh is a scam, just like Magic. It's intentionally obscuring that it's not a game, but a pay-to-win gambling scam. But remeber, yay Blue-Eyes!

@galarianslowpoke Год назад

i think it'd be really cool to see less frequent but more impactful support for archetypes like DMG, Blue-Eyes, Red-Eyes, etc. that can actually make them meta contenders. wouldn't want to see only those decks topping, but having a nostalgia archetype or two in the mix alongside newer archetypes would likely feel engaging for returning players too, instead of them all being rogue at best.

@odecx1325 Год назад

SPEED DUELS On theme decks and skill support. Cards from the anime and the characters that use them. Viability, playability, Red eyes darkness dragon is an actual boss monster in speed duel same for water dragons ect. Even in the tcg if they support your archtype your boss monster will not be the vanilla red eyes or dark magican they are just not great cards anymore. But in speed duel serpent dragon is a beast of a card and fully playable because they made a skill for it and i believe the next speed duel streets of battle city flame swordsman will become a full on boss monster! How cool is that!

@butterguardian7063 Год назад

Whenever I want to buy an anime or a deck that has a unique mechanic or boss monster, I checked out the deck profile youtubers only to see the ideal end board is Apollousa/ Accesscode/ Borrelsword if it has a swarming field power, turned into an F0 Utopic Draco Future or AA Zeus if it's an xyz deck, or turned into a Baronne if it's a synchro deck. I know you have mentioned it in the video, but I just want to point out that everytime I saw an anime deck profile video, I got desensitized when LITERALLY ALMOST EVERY DECK PROFILE is just using the same generic boss monsters over and over. Now I just skip over to the end and say along the lines of "What's the point of this video then??" No offense to the creators of the vids, I know the point is to make the deck stronger and more consistent. I guess keeping a deck in theme and being viable at the same time is not really Konami's forte, because well... generic strong monsters sell.

@josemelendez4330 Год назад

Since Alec doesn't read comments... Let him know that Saints jacket looks awesome!!

@VforVictory00 Год назад

Unless they make classic theme decks powerful enough to be meta relevant, returning players will lose interest in the game again.

@Ichigo90 Год назад

Yeah. Obviously they’re using Yugi and Kaiba for marketing. Even if everyone knew Yugi was going to win every time against Kaiba, the duel would still be interesting. The duel would be back and forth, each one making moves, it’d be close all the way to the end. What would they be using in the marketing for the more modern decks? “Hey, check out this deck that will have the game be over in 2 turns and then be outdated and power crept in three months.” Fascinating.

@Kintaku Год назад

I actually agree about creating stories to bring more lore to the decks that get played more often. Give people playing for their connection to the cards a reason to connect to the new cards.

@abel5925 Год назад

I just play speed duel. The last few sets have been amazing.

@dragonjames4500 Год назад

I feel like they are over using nastalgia bait with the marketing.

@KyuubiNaruto41 Год назад

I just collect cards now. Seeing paragraphs on cards was all it took for me to say the game has long since passed me by. I recently got an app on my phone to let me keep track of what all I have called Dragon Shield. Seeing cards somehow worth $50+ is quite terrifying honestly since if I say its from a different pack that price could drop like a ton of bricks or inflate like a balloon.

@naota545 Год назад

Def been feeling deck viability recently in Master Duel ( been trying to play a Red-eyes Zombie deck with a few Shuranui cards) but many of the decks I face are filled with cards that don't interact when what I'm doing ( have zombie world) just due to generic mats, can end with 5 negates, are name based ( been seeing lots of Evil Twins), or really too consistent ( Swordsoul, Despia, Branded). Want to play Yu-Gi-Oh but trying to play feels bad unless I get an opponent play a similar level deck ( or I brick hard)

@kenhan7410 Год назад

Gosh Alec’s growing a beard………………………………………Neevr thought this would happen though it looks good

@darkcow7of9 Год назад

We just need zombies to be viable

@tenma8797 Год назад

Konami needs to either: change the cards to the marketing’s material(“nostalgic” anime/manga) or change the marketing to focus on the gameplay. Is what I got from this video and believe should happen.

@dracoblizzard7944 Год назад

I don't think that a Konami sanctioned "casual" format can ever work. Most casual players will never actually show up to a real tournament, and when they "come back to the game", they might buy some packs, but then they'll just play some games with a Yugi deck on YGO Pro or something and that's where they'll quit. The people who are actually going to locals are already people who have bought in and you don't need to advertise to them anymore. What these events would really look like would be an incredibly small number of new or returning players there to check out the game, the majority of players being already long time fans of the game just going to play their casual decks, and a small group of people just trying to ruin it for everyone else by always playing whatever the best cards available are, defeating the whole point of the event. There isn't a place or an incentive for these kinds of things to exist.

@Powerman293 Год назад

Konami keeps trying to do this with Speed Duels and the audience is incredibly small for that.

@frig7014 Год назад

the Yugioh Structures manga really feels like it was written by someone who actually played the game at a competitive level, you have chapters about the MC playing virtual world vs eldlich floodgate and having to spend time deciding how to deal with a draw phase maxx C

@Mycurrentthing Год назад

13:26 as a guy with nephews who recently got into the game, I can tell you that there are plenty of new blue eyes fans being made out there

@Stygian_Anon Год назад

For all the really cool monster designs, and obvious lore behind archetypes, it would be really cool to actually have any kind of media about them. It's pretty sad that World Legacy had a whole story behind a pretty large set of cards that I only found out about because I happened to play Master Duel Solo mode.

@bmcoyne88 Год назад

Remember the alternate formats Konami mentioned last year? There was one called Rivalry of the Warlords; it's where you play a deck focused more solely on a specific archetype. What if Konami were to include some of the archetypes that have been popularized by the anime? There's also Heart of the Underdog, but I also feel alternate formats are almost too scarce on the local level.

@MiguelMartinon Год назад

Anime deck only. Alright, I'm brining full power Pepe (Yuya and Denis). or Altergeist (Emma Besho), or Salamangreat (Takeru Homura), Trickstar (Aoi Zaizen), Dragon Link (Revolver), Speedroid (Hugo), Lunalight (Serena), Phantom Knights (Ute), DDD (Reiji), Appliancer (Roboppi), Fluffal OTK (Sora), Superheavy Samura (Gongenzaka), Zoodiac (Link Vrains Player), Plant Synchro (Izayoi Aki), Dinosaurs (Dinosaur Ryuzaki and Kenzan), Deskbot (One of the Yushou students), Lyrilusc (Ruri), Gem Knight FTK (Masumi) If you want to count manga, we have: Masked Heroes, Herald of the Perfection, Traptrix, Charmers, [Not decks, but Maxx C (OCG Structures), Effect Veiler (5D's), and Ash Blossom (OCG Structures), Gorz (R), Tragodia (Gx) would be legal as they appeared in the anime or manga.], Counter Fairy, Thunder Dragon, Infernoble, Simorgh, Jet Synchron w/ Halqifibrax, and more. You get the point. These decks are from the Anime, and some of these were meta.

@jordin5476 Год назад

I don't think konami understands how crazy an entire tv show off of the albaz lore would be. More than just yugioh fans would watch that because of how crazy amazing the lore really is. I spent 5 hours one day just watching lore explanation videos because of how interesting it was, now imagine an entire tv show and the success that would get. Konami would make bank even outside of the tcg/ocg community making lore animes or even 10 minutes clips once a week. Even before I watched this video I was thinking to myself that animated versions of lores would be amazing and especially the albaz lore.

@hurricanejain4919 Год назад

I’m saying man. There’s so many cool archetypes if they just made short series about the lores it would be more than just for ygo players

@TheRoseReaper Год назад

World Legacy would be great to have as a manga as well. Konami's sleeping on the marketing potential that an anime would have.

@saviorofs0ng Год назад

people been wanting a duel terminal show for the longest time. we saw what happened with Arcane, idk why konami wouldnt want to also have an animated adaption. DOTA, Dragon Age, Cyberpunk, Castelvania and others all joined in on having their own show too.

@r3zaful Год назад

@@saviorofs0ng we do have sentouki aka sky striker Manga here, region lock is a thing.

@Cryscho546 Год назад

if they just marketed Darklord Ixchel more they would have more people play the game. DARKLORD SUPPORT WHEN?

@XSaberUruz Год назад

Funny you brought up Flesh and blood. I picked up F&B a year a go and have been hooked, it's really fun

@LCDigital92 Год назад

Yugioh was my first and only TCG and I stopped in 2005. I started playing FaB a couple months ago and have been having a lot of fun.

@XSaberUruz Год назад

@@LCDigital92 Nice, what kinda deck are you running?

@LCDigital92 Год назад

@@XSaberUruz Katsu blitz, but I really want to try Maxx when he comes out.

@OmnisArchives Год назад

Don't you love seeing someone playing an uncoventional deck, except it's literally all just summon fodder for the same Extra Deck bullshit every other deck runs? Boy I sure do love Yu-Gi-Oh. Definitely hasn't become worse over time...

@victorleppas3067 Год назад

Something I hate, how Konami's TCG abuse max rarity xith abordable OCG OP cards, that only make 60+ $ cards and 300$+ decks played in competitif and a pain in the ass to play the actual format... Seriously check differences with the OTC rarity it is awful to see how Konami change them here.

@Zeta1127 Год назад

There is a massive disconnect between the anime, especially the likes of DM, GX, and 5D's, and modern competitive. I love anime decks, especially Dark Magician and Blue-Eyes, and even GX and 5D's archetypes like Cyber Dragon, Stardust Dragon, and Red Dragon Archfiend, but none of it is competitive. Literally, everything is generic Extra Deck boss monsters or staple competitive cards that prevent the opponent from playing the game, especially handtraps and floodgates. Konami has dug themselves into a hole, the anime sells, especially DM, but no one plays anime archetypes competitively, without shoving a lot of generic stuff in just to make them marginally viable at best. The lore of many of the modern competitive archetypes is interesting, especially the Duel Terminal storylines, but it is largely glossed over in favor of continuously returning to the DM well.

@joshhelton2007 7 месяцев назад

Modern-day competitive Yugioh isn't very marketable IMO. It's very hard to sell the game in its present state as fun and/or entertaining without doing so in small increments at a time. The game is difficult to approach because of this divide, and returning players are completely turned off because they expected the game they had love for years ago, and it isn't remotely the same. While natural evolution can be a great thing, and I do believe that the majority of changes to Yugioh, for example all the summoning mechanics (besides pendulum of course, screw pendulum it absolutely sucks) are great and also are both compatable and fun to use in older or even classic formats, but sadly there are also a lot of changes that have ruined the fun of the game at the competitive level and have stripped away a lot of the creativity and uniqueness of the game. I can pretty much only play casually with family & friends in an older format style, I can't even really play Duel Links or Master Duel due to the risk of running into a 30 minute first turn kill deck or an hour and a half first turn that creates an unbreakable board that negates my entire existence IRL that I just do not find fun at all being so very high. I personally am never reallg disappointed by a lot of the legacy support, because I use a few of what you might call legacy decks sometimes, and being more or less a casual legacy player I would almost rather have that than a bunch of overly complicated and/or outrageously overpowered stuff, or a wacky amount of complex pieces to lead to a never-ending combo that ends the game before anyone can do anything if I was even able to memorize it all or stay awake long enough to complete it

@animeking3603 Год назад

Why not give support to older decks so to have everything more up to date and streamlined in the format than just forgetting them. Cough* cough* cough* cubics, Cough* cough* cough* Relinquished.😷

@ogcipher4967 Год назад

The issue is that a lot of these newer boss monsters aren't nearly as iconic as Dark Magician or Blue Eyes and they probably never will be, because these old card have almost attained Pikachu status, everyone who's even tangencially related to the anime sphere will know who they are even if they didn't ever play Yu-Gi-Oh or watched the original series. You're never gonna do better than Kuriboh or the Egyptian God Cards cards. I've watched the series till VRAINS (that one lost me) and tbh after GX the only cards I can remember from the anime are ... Stardust Dragon, Archiend Dragon, Black Rose Dragon and Odd Eyes Dragon ... man a lot of dragons ... and the frightfurs, cause those were cute. but except for the frightfurs I remember the cards not because they were cool or anything but cause they were the signature cards. I don't really think you can advertise new stuff to a large audience without putting out a product that has the cultural impact of the original series. Oh also you'll probably never gonna have characters that get close to Yami Yugi and Kaiba, Yusei being the closest I can think of, but still doesn't have the same appeal. If there is intelligent life out there then let's teach them how to duel!

@randommaster06 Год назад

Yugioh, along with Pokemon, struggles with the Gen. 1 marketing problem. A massive amount of the customer base for both franchises is most familiar with the early offerings. The company is left with the decision of old reliable or taking a risk with new products. Given how risk-adverse most large companies are, it's not uprising we see so much BEWD and Charizard. Maqgic has the opposite problem where translating the setting to other media has been basically impossible.

@omegaelement Год назад

I feel like Konami got way too comfortable with their lazy approach to advertising in the west, relying overly on the iconic imagery because they feel like they're too big to bother revamping things. Either that or they're just being lazy while they wait for the game to fall off enough to justify stopping the game and turning it into a pachinko machine. Also, as someone who stopped playing mid XYZ era and only recently returned to the game, I am very disappointed in how they've handed supporting older decks. I can understand things like a Blue Eyes deck relying on new Blue Eyes boss monsters due to the games power-creep, but I absolutely can't stand the idea of calling your deck a [insert archetype here] deck despite barely using said archetype and having all generic boss monsters. Plus all the archetypes that haven't gotten support yet, like Jurracs, Vylons, etc, while archetypes that were over supported even back in the day continue to get more support, like Blackwings! I've honestly felt like there are many problems with Yugioh, but it'll be near impossible to fix without rebooting the game from scratch. I've considered the idea of raising the minimum card limit for decks to 50 or 60 to slow things down a bit, or introducing some method of deck building restrictions besides the ban list and casual fan formats. As it is, the game bounced from being 90% generic stuff that was supported by archetypes, to being archetype dominated with generic support, and back again but in a much worse way. Like they tried to find a balance between Archetype and Generic but keep swinging so wide they might as well split the game in two as one side now tends to make the other obsolete.

@bleack8701 Год назад

I doubt Konami Japan actually tells western Konami not to market new stuff and only market the DM era stuff. I think the western Konami just has no trust in anything past DM so they keep slapping DM characters on everything, like Mako.... The game has progressed, the anime has progressed and western Konami just keeps dusting off the characters from literally 20 years ago. Market the new stuff, make new fans, bring in fresh blood to the franchise. You can't do that by ignoring everything that has happened in the last 15 years And this is also how they create the yugi boomers. They didn't promote the new stuff so people didn't watch it, didn't buy the cards etc so when they come back they have no idea in what state the franchise is or if it's even alive today. And what does Konami do? Advertise the dusty character from decades past and make people think that nothing has changed. And you can't really bring in new fans from the old stuff. Yugioh was in 4:3. That's how old it is. You need the new shows to being in new fans.

@ladonmccabe Год назад

I love neos! I have a good deck made, but I’ll get stomped by kashtira I have an idea! What if they did like 40k? In warhammer, you pick an army, buy the models, and then you get special rules and buffs for being apart of that army! So in yugioh terms, like in duel links they have skills that interact and sometimes requires certain cards to work. Imagine making that neos or stardust deck, and because you ran say 10 HERO and neos monsters, you get a bonus you can use or is applied all the time. What you think?