Madara always needed upgrades despite his gifts. Hashirama was always stronger than him. Madara is lucky he has 9 and 10 tails at his disposal. Hashirama always uses everything he only learned but Madara had to pick up everywhere.
@@CliffordDLewis022 if Hashirama didn’t have sage mode Madara would destroy him. Madara was physically stronger to the point sage mode couldn’t harm him. Madara could yank hits from the tailed beasts. Madara’s taijutsu destroyed thousands of shinobi. Madara’s susanoo was enough to tank normal wood style. Issue is Hashirama cheated with sage mode.
@@jameschristopher2540 Did you really watched Hashirama? He always overwhelms him with regular jutsus and Hashirama is more known to have the highest physical strength surpassing even Madara. That is where Tsunade based her style of fighting. Hashirama is more superior in firepower Madara just has more tricks he can't fight Hashirama head on without any amps.
@@jameschristopher2540 You are denying Madara admitting Hashirama was always stronger than him in his lifetime. I thought Madara fans will also respect Hashirama.
@@jameschristopher2540 Madara already losts to Hashirama even without sage mode. Madara even had to get Kyuubi and you don't want to say anything abt it? He got Kyuubi and Hashi got Sage Mode and the thousand hands. Madara was physically strong but Hashi is just a beast but Hashi was holding back most of the time. Even a holding back Hashi, Madara cannot defeat him. Madara could tnak hits from tailed beasts but Hashi is is physically stronger so Hashi can tank hits as well. Madara taijutsu destroyed thousands of shinobi but can't defeat Hashirama, even with Sharingan that can predict opponent's still cannot defeat Hashi. Hashi is just a godlike beasts who are in league of his own. Madara's susanoo was enough to tank hits from normal wood style but not wood golem + wood dragon.
@@DygoKnightnaw the fight was so hype it literally split a whole fandom into 2 as if they were gambling in a fight that’s iconic I can’t lie I think Naruto vs sasuke is the most iconic fight in Naruto every fact u said in this video is literally even better done in Naruto vs sasuke but even I think gojo vs sunkuna was a better overall it was hype through and through it’s truly sad the fall jjk had in its last 5 chapters
I respect Hashirama's philosophy far more than Naruto's because Hashirama was willing to kill, to protect the innocent. Naruto just seemed too soft against some of the most badass villains but when u got Talk no Jutsu i guess u dont have much to worry about lol.
Yes but hashirama ideology is also flawed because he said that for the sake of the village he will kill his own son that is carzy one of the villains in moive asked naruto if he ever kill an innocent person for the a sake of the village that shows that the will of fire is wrong
@@dytgyfgyffuh243 you talk about kill a innocent person for the sake of village, in hashirama case Madara is not innocent, he is a thread to the village, your statement is hilarious 😂
@@nguyenhoa5409 I didn't day madrara was innocent I what I mean is that hashirama ideology is wrong because they justify any crime they commit by saying it is for the sake of the village a example is nagato parents were innocent and killed by leaf village ninja
They didn’t fight for the title of Hokage. Hashirama actually wanted Madara to be the 1st Hokage and he got into an argument with the elders about it. Madara over heard the conversation on top of the fact that other people, including kids didn’t want to have anything to do with he. So he left the village because he felt that they would have never accepted him. Later on after he left the Leaf is when Hashirama and Madara fought at The Valley of the End. It really sucks because Madara tried to live that peaceful like, but cause they wouldn’t accept him it made him think and wonder that his brother died for nothing. He was like F#€K it I’m about to wreck shop.
Yeah this fight was so epic they replaced the typical Naruto vs Sasuke fight in the game. Oh and Madara got Kurama because he intended on fighting the entirety of the village not just Hashirama. Yes Madara faught the entire Senju clan that day. I would say Hashirama mentality was better than Naruto's. Naruto weakened the world and conflict is still going on.
Get into a fight. Challenge someone. Then attempt to punch them. You just used a strategy. Whether it works or their strategy beats you matters not. You used strategy.
15:05 it’s also implied that the Senju thrashed Uchiha & Madara was just last to fall. Obviously only Hashirama could handle him so the others watched. A clearly way more sensible Idea. To say Madara fought the entire senju…disrespecting Hashirama, based of what? Just bias Hate assumptions especially when they are this illogical.
Kishimoto was using AI art long before it was cool (just kidding, it's not cool and will never be). Actually, I've checked and this is a coloring mistake. In the original black and white manga, he has 5 fingers.
This is why Madara is the TRUE hero of Naruto. The Sage of 6 paths tried to give everyone chakra as a uniting force and to create peace. But people turned chakra into a weapon and used it for war. Hashirama tried to create the village and establish diplomacy between villages, even going as far as giving away tailed beast to other villages. But this just united the ninjas to form bigger armies and wage even greater wars. It was Madara who united all the ninja villages, yes he united them against him. But he united them nonetheless. That is why the Madara Vs 5Kage fight HISTORIC, this was the very first time in shinobi history that the Kages fought, not as enemies, but as comrades. And this was achieved by Madara. It is no surprise that in the Boruto era, the villains are now no longer other ninja villages, but Otsutsuki aliens.
@@The_Average_Ragebait_BorutardNotice how all of those are Boruto characters? Yep, and that really isn't a good thing, it just means Boruto's powerscaling is insane which tells me it's really, REALLY bad
Not only did he unite the 5 kage as well as indirectly create the allied shinobi forces, he also literally united the entire world, except for Naruto, Sasuke, Sakura, Kakashi and Obito (plus the edo tensei if you count them) The only man to ever succeed.
The pinnacle of power in the Naruto world should have stopped at Madara and Hashirama. The two legendary Shinobi in all of history even outside the fire nation. Those two were people who actually lived, had family and were somewhat grounded human beings with philosophies. If anything, the Otsotukis should have been introduced in the Last movie. To normal people, something like Hagoromo or Kaguya sounds like out of human understanding and should be a myth. For Madara and Hashirama, they built statues to honor them.
I've thought about this as well and completely agree with it. Madara and Hashirama were OP but still within reason. Aside from maybe 8th gate Guy anyone who is stronger than them is either an alien (like Kaguya) or has alien powers (like Eos Naruto and Sasuke getting power from Hagoromo). As far as natural human ability goes, it basically peaks here.
@@karma1507yep. Guy could have still gone 8 gates, still fought Madara who could have still technically unlocked So6p power but never had Kaguya or any other Ohtsosuki (pardon for the poor spelling) after. There’s no reason team 7 couldn’t have had the same battle they had against Kaguya vs Madara and Kaguya could have been omitted entirely. It would have made more sense. A guy who was already stronger than everyone unlocks a special power and starts f’ing everyone else up. Guy still gets his chance to shine, Naruto and Sasuke still get their power from Hagoromo, even Sakura gets to shine at the end, Obito…well Obito never fully repenting makes sense to me but yeah, he can, and that’s it. They seal Madara, have Naruto and Sasukes fight if you want, there’s no difference except for an a$$pull that added a fair bit of chapters to the manga.
The set up and build up to this fight was incredible. Especially when we see what Madara can do on base and even when he uses the 9 tails. Each time it seems to get better
To be fair, Hashirama did succeed in bringing Madara to his side and influencing him. Let's not overlook the fact that Madara had Black Zetsu manipulating him consistently. The transformation of Sasuke wasn't solely attributed to Naruto; Itachi played a crucial role. Itachi essentially adhered to Hashirama's will to prioritize the village above all, even at the expense of putting the village ahead of the family. This was something Hashirama’s changed himself, as acknowledged by Madara during their clash at the valley. In addition Naruto didn’t fix Jack 😂🤣, the whole time he just wanted to be dumb Hokage and have a Sasuke friend. Naruto had no specific plans for the village system and its operation. He and Sasuke were born at the opportune moment when Black Zetsu was attempting to execute his plan, but he was preoccupied with Madara and Obito.
CyberConnect2 did such an awesome job with Storm 4 with the opening cinematic legendary battle between Hashirama and Madara. Peak perfection for the most epic shinobis.
Then people will say Kishimoto didn't intend to make Hashirama that strong. As if the Valley of the end wasn't enough forshadowing. Just look at the size of the Valley.
@@The_Average_Ragebait_BorutardNothing you said is even related to his comment. Btw, being strong doesn't mean someone is a good character. Storytelling is about more than that.
Can you sort the battles below from the best battle to the lamest battle? 1. Naruto vs pain 2. Jiraiya and Tsunade vs Orochimaru 3. Kakashi and team 7 vs zabuza and haku 4. Gaara vs deidara 5. Konan vs Obito Sorry for bad English 🙏🙏
People love to say Hashirama was damaged a lot more and his healing factor was in effect. Well actually, his healing factor heals until the cells can no longer divide, which is the death of the cells. It’s more plausible that Hashirama was exhausted and so his chakra driven healing factor (it’s not just biological) was not in effect due to him being nearly out of chakra, and at that point, Madara injured Hashirama’s arm. It seems quite obvious. If not, his arm would also be automatically healing.
This is the moment when kishimoto decided to make hashirama busted. He decided to give hashirama sage mode. Lets just say how could hashirama defeat madara with kurama with ems with perfect susanoo? Yes the answer is sage mode, kishimoto never planned to add sage mode on the main storyline but hashirama needs one last power up to defeat madara. That is also the reason why everything about hashirama is hax or plothole. Hashirama is just absolutely busted
This is also the reason why we never knew what type of sage mode(snake sage, toad sage etc) hashirama has couz it was never planned all along. Kishimoto just gave it to him for a one last power up against madara with kurama with ems with perfect susanoo
@@dontayz99 doesn't matter, kishimoto initially added sage mode for hashirama to have that one last power up. He just gave it to other people(like jiraya) couz he feels like it adding it to the main storyline. Just think of it like this, he created sage mode accidentally out of nowhere just for hashirama attain that one last power up(supposedly not part of the main storyline when he first created naruto) but then decided to "yeah fuck it lets just add sage mode to main storyline"
You my friend just keep on bringing up points about the story that I always wanted to bring up when I would hear people this the Naruto manga and anime. You are truly a breath of fresh air.
an incredible achievement in scale, stakes and world building. however... the 1000 hands wood statue beating kurama (at that point the most powerful being in the verse) + perfect susanoo (the most indestructible creation in the verse) was maybe not the best choice. because during the war arc hashirama gets beat rather quickly, but madara losing to an unexpected stab in the back was a great bit of foreshadowing, whether you like it or not :D
Hashirama losing made me sad. It makes perfect sense given how stupid the power scales got, but the idea of him as an unbeatable god was so cool. For like 700 episodes in a row he was the most powerful being to ever exist, knowing that he’s basically fodder now is tough.
"because during the war arc hashirama gets beat rather quickly" - Well Madara during war arc was brought back to life now possessing his full strength but Hashirama was still edotensei, madara now had rinnegan and also now had even hashirama's own cells in him. These are things Madara didn't possess when they were both alive during their time so it's obvious he'd be getting his ass whooped by Hashirama back then.
This fight was established in part one so Naruto was never about real ninja kishimoto just like everyone loves kaiju battle and that existed in part one
@@robotboy765 what a mean is that people complain about Shippuden no longer about ninja and forget that part one has a kaiju battle and chapter one has a giant fox
a misconception of the Hashirama vs Madara being the worst of Naruto isn't the "lack of shinobi or strategy" it sets the expectations of spectacle to match and exceed those two, when to an unexpected outcome, the writer cannot recreate it; the characters are bland, the stakes aren't worth the effort, the spectacle is merely a copy and paste of previous fights (if done right it works, but Naruto did it BADLY), and the rewards for their sacrifices are poorly justified.
I was hoping that we’d get an expansion of All Might vs All for One similar to Hashirama vs Madara, but all we got was one damn panel of the most impactful battle of the series
Really? We have never even seen them fight just a short flashback i dont even count that as a fight...weird that you would call this a fight let alone a prime fight
Fwo friends fighting for their dream vs Two powerfull (semi hero vs villan) that's not best things hashi and madara best fights with emotions and powerscale are different between power also
@@hari_sports_thoughts6384 We're not talking about how powerfull characters are, also I assuma you didn't read the JJK manga because there's a lot of psycological conflinct in that fight, gojo understands sukuna because he's Always been the strongest and so he's Always been alone, he wants to give sukuna a good fight and he does so, almost killing him in a 3vs1. The strategy in this fight Is peak too, way more than Madara vs Hashirama. Also JJK Powers are cooler than Naruto's.
When did Hashirama’s wife, I know she’s an uzumaki but can’t remember her first name, become the jinchuraki for the nine tails was it after the valley at the end fight or did Madara kill her to free and then control the nine tails?
Hashirama's wife is Mito Uzumaki. She sealed the nine tails inside herself after the battle of Final Valley because Hashirama didn't want Kurama to roam free.
All Naruto fans use the same dumb arguments for why the series didn’t change after the power cliff. 9 tails is a Japanese mythological deity. It fits into a story about ninjas especially when the only way it was defeated was by mind control or sealing it away. You didn’t have to be more powerful in raw strength necessarily. The power clif changed the series. Stop lying to yourselves.
It actually makes more sense that Madara planned to lose that fight to get his cells. From children, Madara never wanted to kill Hashirama. He was the one to warn him when the clans had planned to use them for an ambush. Even when Hashirama was about to end himself, Madara wouldn't let that happen.
No it doesn’t make any more sense. He wanted to be Hokage for a reason. If he killed Hashirama he could gain his cells. They fought in wars for years. The problem was Hashirama never wanted to kill him. Madara made it clear Hashirama was always superior to him
@giovalladares1022 he gained his cells anyway. And to your war point. Madara had the perfect opportunity to kill Hashirama and didn't do it. Then didn't let it happen.
@@SShaBazzz when did he have an opportunity to kill Hashirama? Go ahead I’ll wait all day for this. He gained his cells because he bit him in a last ditch effort to gain them. There is nothing in the story that implies he could’ve killed him and didn’t.
@giovalladares1022 easy, there are two answers. 1. When his clan caught him off guard buy he warned Hashirama instead of attacking. 2. When he had the kunai knife in his hand and instead of stabbing him right there, he let's it go. And with the last ditch effort thing. That's your head canon.
@@SShaBazzz you know you’re not smart right? You mean when they were kids and best friends and he admitted inferiority to Hashirama? Or you mean when he was literally beaten so badly he couldn’t move his body more than his arms and accepted his death was coming? You’re actually ridiculous. I’m talking head canon? when you literally came up with a theory based on nothing but your own head canon 😂😂😂
Madara vs Hashirama is absolutely one of the worst fights in Shonen let alone Naruto. It is literally the example of everything wrong with Naruto's powerscaling and narrative. There is no redeemable quality about it, and I wish it didn't exist. The storm fight is way better and was actually relatively believable. The one we got in a manga is literally Godzilla vs King Kong
Unpopular opinion: I hate those kinds of fights. It's better to leave deep history vague. It inevitably leads to retcons and plot holes. Give me more details about present day. More fights of modern characters. The same reason I hate star war prequels and silmarilion. Keep history shrouded in mystery. It keeps audience on its toes.
The Silmarillion wasn’t a prequel. It was written alongside Lord of the Rings and was intended to be one large piece of work. The only reason it wasnt released at the same time was because the publisher was afraid of releasing such a large body of work all at once along with them only caring about more stuff concerning Hobbits due to the success of The Hobbit.
@@zedorian6547 it doesn't matter the order it was written in. What matters is the content and date of publication. George Lucas also claims he though of all 6 movies just released prequels later because the tech wasn't there. Also you miss the point. The point being, vague mythos and backsyory that some people treat as real and some as fairytale and some as something in between is cool and realistic. Having everything spelled out is just boring fan service.
Honestly Naruto kinda peaked at the chunning exams, after that the story got quite boring and the only good moments were the fights in the middle of a huge amount of filler... There are many fights better than this one out there 😂... Also, bedt naruto fight is Madara vs guy of course
Naruto and sasuke was a bigger and more epic battle along with them both being more powerful at the time of fighting, Sixth path sage power Naruto and Renigun Sasuke. Madura only has a claim of being more powerful if we go by his resurrected version which had hashimura’s dna combined in him as well as a reanimated body.
If madra/obito didn't declare war on shinobi world do you think all nation would work together and a true peace would be possible? Even if naruto and gaara 2 kage work together to convince other nation i don't think they will agree to them and conflict will still continue. Madra give them a chance to correct the shinobi word and they take that opportunity perfectly. What do you think?
If madara beat hashirama he could have just collected all the tailed beasts and implemented the eye of the moon plan way earlier. he definitely didn’t intentionally lose-he was weakened so much by losing that was he had to do such a round about plan involving him giving someone else the rinnegan to revive
