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Thermodynamics Overview 

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In this module, we will be briefly outlining the basics of equilibrium and nonequilibrium thermodynamics that forms much of the theoretical underpinnings to systems ecology. We firstly define thermodynamics in a very broad sense as the theory and study of how energy transforms matter through processes, we then go on to talk about the four laws of equilibrium thermodynamics. We discuss non-equilibrium thermodynamics as dealing with systems that are more open than closed, having an almost continuous exchange with their environment where we now have to interpret them in term of a constant change, flux or flow of resources from the environment. We talk about the theory of dissipative systems that maintain themselves on some energy gradient allowing them to maintain a semi-stable state far from equilibrium, importing energy and exporting entropy, a dynamic that is characteristic of biological systems of all kind. Finally, we will discuss the idea of exergy as a metric for measuring this out of equilibrium state and the vitality of an ecological system.

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@VicenteMReyes-vs9nh
@VicenteMReyes-vs9nh 7 лет назад
4:04-4:10 - zeroth law (not 'zero') 7:30-7:35 - the narrator misspoke "maximum" for "minimum"
@SystemsInnovationNetwork
@SystemsInnovationNetwork 7 лет назад
Thanks for noting that.
@tobythaler411
@tobythaler411 6 лет назад
FYI, in my copy of Georgescu-Roegen's "The Entropy Law and the Economic Process" at page 12, fn. 13 he wrote: ...Nernst's Law, which is essence says that the minimum of entropy is not achievable in actuality." I put a sticky; "Should be "maximum"?" Now you raise the same issue with the slide saying minimum and the voice saying maximum. I'm not a physicist and I find this very confusing; which is correct? Thanks for really good educational material.
@ajkelly451
@ajkelly451 8 лет назад
I love what y'all are doing here! I have spoken as biological organisms as far-from-equilibrium systems with all the implications of dissipative systems (scaling, emergence, etc.) since I joined my PhD program. Needless to say, in a biological program, one still gets blank stares. Biologists still think with very reductionist points of view. This really is going to make it tough to transition to a more holistic view of biological systems in the future. I think what we need more than anything at this point are tools for understanding disease or other organismal processes by analyzing many different sources of data and integrating them together to form a more holistic picture. I'm essentially arguing for a marriage of a systems approach and an analytical approach. The major problem is that the tools we have in systems theory are far from adequate to model organisms with 2 billion nucleotides, 25000 protein-coding genes, and insanely complex interactions involved at all stages of the process (i.e. transcriptional and translational regulation and post-translational modifications). Modeling 10 covariates in a nonlinear system is difficult enough for numerical methods for solving ODEs and PDEs, but potentially millions of covariates? So being able to use data generated on genome, proteome, transcriptome, etc. scales, can help us to leverage our scientific abilities with our abilities to simplify systems into more interpretable results. As an example of this, we talk about ordered systems as ones that are less entropic. This being the case, even if they have a high number of important parameters, it should follow that less information is needed to represent the system. These are ideas used in information theoretical approaches to data compressing algorithms. What I'm getting at is the following. Is it possible that these highly complex systems can be collapsed to a much lower dimension of crucial/key features? And I'm not talking about an approach as simple as analyzing a genome, as that hasn't seemed to work all that well in understanding disease as of yet. The key features don't necessarily have to be 1 gene, 1 protein, or something so trivial. They could instead be a higher-order feature such as network topology, pathway perturbation, or other information that can be mined from data from multiple heterogeneous sources of data for your problem. And don't get me wrong, there are definitely people working on problems from this perspective. But I think what is mostly missing is a formalism that generalizes how highly complex systems can be represented in a more compact way that gives us both a more holistic picture and a way to understand them that can directly lead to clinical manifestations, I.e. a small molecule to target a process that seems to be awry, or a gene/set of genes/ etc. to edit to cure a person of a disease. Sorry for the long windedness, but I am definitely passionate about both systems theory and biology/bioinformatics. I just know that the most valuable thing for the future of biological understanding would be a way to bridge the gap between theory and generated data. Any insights would be very welcome!
@SystemsInnovationNetwork
@SystemsInnovationNetwork 8 лет назад
+ajkelly451 I think it is as you say, there really needs to be a coupling of these high level abstract ideas and models of systems theory + complex systems with the more analytical methods of bioinformatics and standard biology. These abstract ideas of systems theory such as dissipative systems, self-organization, emergence etc. should provide the much needed context for framing the inquiry(this abstraction helps to clarify and simplify things) and then the analytical computation methods work within that, I think without the holistic perspective things start to become over complicated and we lose sight of the forest for the trees. I think this was kind of the idea of systems biology, in reality I don't think that is how it has turned out though, from what I see it has kind of forgotten about the holistic part and got too analytical, if you take a course in systems biology they will probably spend less than 1 min talking about systems, as you mention in general these ideas about dissipative systems and systems ecology are very little known, but they are central to understanding whole it all fits together and not just answering the bigger question, but also for clarity and structuring our whole approach to understanding biological systems. As you say bridging the gap between the synthetic and analytic approaches is still a major challenge
@ajkelly451
@ajkelly451 8 лет назад
***** Agreed! Great work!
@ajkelly451
@ajkelly451 8 лет назад
"approximately 25% of the energy input will be destroyed in the process" I know what you meant by this, but perhaps for any lay-reader a correction of this can be posted on the video. Because as we know, energy can neither be created nor destroyed, but only converted, and in this case, lost to the atmosphere instead of harnessed in a form that can be used for human consumption.
@SystemsInnovationNetwork
@SystemsInnovationNetwork 8 лет назад
+ajkelly451 Yes, it would be more accurate to say "degraded" instead of "destroyed" as you note, but when I looked at this video afterwards this wasn't a very good statement in general, probably should have been left out.
@juanmanuelmunoz5645
@juanmanuelmunoz5645 8 лет назад
So dissipative systems exist, let us say, in the staircase in the famous M.C. Escher's artwork, where the top of a building has ever-looping staircases. Right? Thanks for the videos. Hopefully I can make sense out of my terrible teachers with the support of your explanations :) PD: then, if I get this right, if (essentially) energy, entropy and temperature could be abstracted away from classical physical science and brought into a context of system dynamics, we could apply the theory of non-equilibrium ThDyn. to, say, a country's economy? Is that accurate? Thank you again for your videos!!
@SystemsInnovationNetwork
@SystemsInnovationNetwork 8 лет назад
+Juan Manuel Muñoz Yes, for sure there is already an area of thermodynamic economics(Thermodeconomics) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermoeconomics
@GGlad100
@GGlad100 4 года назад
Обсуждение представленного материала следует после прочтения www.researchgate.net/publication/314187646_On_General_Physical_Principles_of_Biological_Evolution и просмотра ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CYr1G5TZO50.html
@TheBasikShow
@TheBasikShow 8 лет назад
Bro, you misspelled "systems."
@SystemsInnovationNetwork
@SystemsInnovationNetwork 8 лет назад
+TheBasikShow Thanks for making a note of that, videos get published a bit too hastily sometimes
@TheBasikShow
@TheBasikShow 8 лет назад
No biggie :)
@courage6889
@courage6889 8 лет назад
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