forgot to say Nahida C2 is still an awesome con. There's a ton of cons as good as this these days and often they're at C1 (neuvi, furina, arle, more) but it's still a great one if you want to max your dendro teams!
i really stopped giving a fuk about 4stars after they made sara. its such a pain. other than the early main 4star group I stopped caring. 5stars are much much easier to start running than whatever the fuk the 4stars are now tbh.
And there's me who wants Kuki constellations and Sethos and cries in trying to save for Mavuika...ig I'll do a couple 10-pulls considering I just got Xilonen
@@atriyakoller136 I hope you enjoy your new Xilonen! And I wish you the best of luck with the pyro archon (I want to get her so badly)!! I feel your pain 💖 it’s so hard to decide between reruns for a character you’ve been needing/wanting, and brand new characters who are amazing. I had to skip Xilonen to save for Nahida, because my Alhaitham team is very sad and I’m dedicated to building it decently before moving on to building a new team 😭💔 Nahida is guaranteed, but hopefully I’m lucky enough to get Kuki (I have horrible 4 star luck). If so, then at least this banner will single handedly complete my Alhaitham team! Hopefully I can get Xilonen on her rerun, and Mavuika! I was really sad to not pull for Xilonen this time 😭
She's sleeping well in the Hoyo prison together with Shenhe 🤣 lucky I already have her at C5 during pulling for Furina banner last time, She's really damn good with this team > Ayaka, Furina, Kazuha & Charlotte
This is the kind of luck I have lmao. I have the highest constellations on the 4 stars that are universally considered garbage or niche at best, and I often get zero copies of the 4 stars I’m really hoping to get 😂
Bro you are literally me. I got 1000 Dori on Wrio banner and now i got like 20 more while pulling on Xilonen banner and wanting to get 3 Collei cons and 4 Candace cons. Now Collei is still c5 😂
Imagine jumping at someone for that lmao, Genshin is a single player game and is one of the least competitive games I’ve ever played, people should always just do what they want even if they wanna do something off meta. Pull for her and have fun
@@P1car0 oh indeed, same. Was really tempted myself but it’s been too long a wait for me for Nahida and Xilonens rerun will not be too long am guessing as she’s so popular. Can wait.
I feel like nahida is still pretty meta. Most abysses lately have had a lot of success from hyperbloom teams…especially Alhaitham hyperbloom. I feel like the only time it’s ever really countered is when you have those Dendro res enemies but even those enemies aren’t really a threat to hyperbloom variants with electro drivers like Cyno or even just Aggravate. Yeah she hasn’t received much support but does she really need it? She was already an insane character and idk if she’s a character that requires more than she already had.
This. I have c0 nahida and play her onfield as a dps (😭😭) she is really capable of 36 starring the abyss and I’ve done it with her every abyss without fail and she improves so many teams and obviously performs best with another dps like alhaitham. I definitely think she’s still meta just not as much as before
its all relative bro she used to be like this best thing in the game 2 years ago, now ,while she is still pretty good, we have many more ways of far surpassing the kind of output Nahida and her teams in general provide, so naturally people prioritise her less.
I think Nahida's specialty now is she can produce an easy to build second team stack a bunch of EM on a driver and go for it. Many of the new DPS characters take time and investment and specific stats that aren't always easy cause you know RNG. I have much stronger choices but will always put my quick-bloom team on one side it's a strong and comfort team for me. As for grind and RNG my Neuvillette is for sure the stronger choice but couple months of grinding still don't have the HP CR/CD spread to make him broken
Alhaitham hyperbloom and nahida teams in general suffer in multiwave abyss and i say this as an alhaitham main , also nahida team simply doesn't deals as much DPS as Neuvellite navia arlechino kinich mualani hu tao etc
So we save. I risked a 50/50 with kinich but then got him after i lost cause i was desperate for his exploration. Then risked Xilonen for like 35 wishes (half of soft pityish) but didn't get her.
I'm not falling for it. Mavuika will be busted. I'm f2p and don't have Nahida who I need badly but I'm skipping to have enough primos for mavui, Neuvi and Arle. Then I can finally 36 star the abyss
Nahida's Value for F2P players cannot be understated. I mean, after looking at people's spreadsheets, I've been using the 3-star Magic Guide on her. It was an *easy* R5. Passive works off-field. If you miss Floating dreams, it's okay, you already have a good weapon for her.
I played her Story quest and her bloom generation is enough to retire my two dendro chars. Now this frees up the 4th slot for anyone I like. Sucks about Neuv but I'm already starving for new units for like 2 months and counting.
i think we are being a bit unfair here. it's not that arlechinno teams don't require require furina, it's that she literally doesn't function with furina; that's not a positive, it'sthe opposite
@@mrfearpty Because her best teams need Bennett instead which is even worse. So you can make that same argument for Hu Tao's best teams not needing Bennett, despite that she can work with him if you wanted to so it still isn't a plus that Arlecchino can't use Furina. At least if Hu Tao takes my Furina and Yelan I still have Xingqiu, there's so many teams I just straight up can't play while Arlecchino has Bennett. I can still do hyperbloom, electrocharged, nilou bloom, pretty much anything requiring hydro but when bennett is gone there goes international, majority of hyper carry teams, wanderer, navia, mono pyro or lyney, burning, chevreuse, this is much more crippling. The only other place I would normally use furina is with Neuvillette and he can handle himself just fine without her.
One thing I noticed about all of the genshin content creators is that no one really acknowledges that 5.0 brought ALOT of new players. So we really don't have alot of characters. This banner is a new player must pull in all honesty
I started a few weeks ago. I chose Diluc as my main dps that I got at the end of 5.0... XQ is obviously nice to get from the Nahida banner but I've read that Nahida doesn't synergize with Diluc very well... Do I save for Mavuika who is the pyro archon and may fit my existing main better? Or is pulling for the hyper bloom team worth missing Mavuika?
@@rossallen738instant hyperbloom team is 100% worth skipping a character who's kit we don't even know yet. Also she might rerun in half a year just like Nahida and Furina were. The same can't be stated for 4*.
@@rossallen738Nahida can farm materials from far away with her Elem Skill. I already had my roster crippled for more than 2 months waiting for Nahida. If it wasn't for Kuki, I'd be suffering with Lisa lmao. Now you just pick you poison on whether to ignore her Hyperbloom worthy banner or wait months for Mauivka. That's just me, though.
I'm a firm believer that there will be a hyperbloom hypercarry somewhere that will take my c2 nahida to even greater heights just like how xilonen took my c1 neuv furina kazuha team
@@m.daphneejsing2489 usually a team of Alhaitham, Kuki Shinobu or Raiden, Xingqui or Furina than for my other dendro I have been using YaoYao if not Zhongli but I put him on deepwood artifacts.
“A real device” i felt that…. Lmao Edit: for those interested in Sethos, there is a certain content named Soluna with very interesting/entertaining content regarding him. Highly recommended!
If we’re talking single target, Hu Tao is still the best dps in the game. If we’re not, she’s still top tier, only just below Neuv, Arle, Alhaitham and MAYBE Mualani. And if you have Cloud Retainer, you don’t have to worry about her C1 whatsoever (But she’s still one of the best dps without c1). Also, if Nahida isn’t a must pull, then NO ONE is a must pull. She’s still a game changingly strong character. Just because Arlecchino and Kinich’s BiS teams don’t include her doesn’t suddenly mean she isn’t still incredibly strong and versatile, and very much still “meta”.
Right? I feel like the power of Dendro & Hyperbloom is being wildly downplayed here. Hyperbloom takes half the investment to perform comparably to most BiS teams.
Saying hu tao isnt meta was a wild take, hu tao has continually gotten buffs and can easily be ran without the supports arlecchino wants (ex: doesnt need bennett) people saying she got powercrept probably play her wrong and dont optimize her but choose to mash left click with arlecchino instead
As a top 1% C1 Hu Tao owner that knows how to play her, I definitely agree with his take that Hu Tao has been powercrept, and I absolutely disagree with the idea that Hu Tao is the best single target damage dealer. She's still a great damage dealer of course but Arlecchino is definitely a shade better in terms of pyro DPS, and neuvillette outclasses both. By constantly trying to prop up Hu Tao as "the best", all it does is hurt newer players that are on the fence about deciding what to pull.
@@tavinhooNo, just no. Hu Tao’s charged attacks deal just as much, potentially even more damage than Mualani’s attacks, but Hu Tao can do a LOT more of them in each rotation.
Also pls Stop the Yoimiya slander. Yes the recent abysses are not super favourable for her but she really carries. And her damage is not bad either. Come on man.
Hyperbloom is still broken. It's still the easiest, cheapest and fastest way to 36* the Abyss. And Nahida is still broken and outside Arle, Mualani, Kinich/Emilie, geo and anemo will buff your characters if you decide to use them in a dendro related reaction.
They have everything... that I don't need anymore 😂(I have C2 Nahida, C1R1 Hu Tao, C6 Xingqiu I don't even use anymore and C6 Kuki; don't really care about Sethos because I already have several Electro on-fielders built). The only thing I might be considering is Nahida's signature, but most likely just skipping. But yeah, great banners for newer players.
I’m so glad i decided to start genshin impact a couple weeks ago and save my pulls. Nahida was already crazy but getting amazing four stars on top of that is insane!
It's so annoying when the banners you want/need to pull on are trash but the banners you can't really afford to pull on for luxury (Nahida cons would be cool but I'm F2P and still in need of a few account staples like Zhongli) are super sick. I don't have C2 Kuki, and I want C2 Kuki, but I'm not sure I can risk a few cheeky pulls on this, considering I'd like to get Chasca and Ororon but I'm not sure I can do more than try a 50/50 on her.
Wanted him cause he's fun but needs cons to be competent. An annoyingly inefficient banner for older players wanting to build the newer unit yet again, considering what's on the horizon and the likelihood they already have these other historically great units.
if i were a new player, and this banner shows up. It would be a god-send (pun not intended). Hyperbloom only gets out DPS by other team architypes very late into the game, where you have over 200cv on artifacts, good weapons, ideal supports (like c6 faruzan) etc. My crowned kinich not in his sig set and weapon, without emilie or furina deals so much less DPS than my hyperbloom kuki who has minimal level talents and just stacked EM (fundamentally zero cv artifacts). it's actually a bit sad and funny at the same time.
What we need is Iansan to be a subdps like yaemiko that buffs spread and aggrevate like chevrues but a 5 star with 5 star damage. To run Tighnari iansan fischl nahida proto amber 😊
Me too. I'm also wondering if Freminet could use it for dragon-striking and Xianyun plunging. Freminet's constellations boost his normal/Charging/Plunging talent level.
same - was seriously considering getting it for him since he hit C6 during furina's rerun and if homa makes it back that'll be extra nice still saving for a different weapon though and the 4 star charas on the banner are pretty sweet 😭
Hyperbllom would gain a massive boost in stocks if mihoyo decided to release a 5 star electro Kuki who specifically works in the Hyperbloom nieche. Maybe increas the damage of hyperbloom or ability to increas max hyperbloom cores.
Man I'm really torn on getting Hu Tao. I've always liked her as a character, but for years I've never had the...Urge to get her. I never really needed a Pyro DPS (was satisfied using supports like Xingling, Thoma and Benny) and I didn't have fun when I tested her or played her on friends' accounts. It's not her fault either- the only Pyro DPS I have enjoyed is Arlecchino (I don't even have Yoimiya and Lyney for the same reason- I didn't have fun with them when testing). ...I may skip her again. Likely I'm just going to focus on getting C2 for my Nahida...
@@Yelan-n8d I love jello but Hu Tao having one the best designs? She's in Gym shorts with some white socks my guy. Have you seen Eula & Arlecchino??? Clorinde?!?!
@@axelvinicius3365 A secretary with a military general's coat, gold engraved heels, a pistol, and eyes with a neon purple ring in them? Yeah you're right bro I see secretaries who look like that all the time
Nahida's 4 xtars companions looking good, I could use more Kuki cons, Sethos is also welcomed although I don't use him alot. My XQ is already maxed out so pls pls pls, stay away from my pulls 😂 All saved up for my Nahida's final promotion to C2, let's go!!!
i’m planning on getting both 5 stars so i’m very glad the 4 stars are good 😭 i do already have c6 xingqiu but more starglitter = more pulls so it’s not too bad, and i have c3 kuki and no sethos so im quite happy about this banner :)
YAYY considering i'm pulling for nahida c-2 for Tighnari, and kuki is c-3 and xq is c-4 I’m very happy with these banners... of course beidou would have been cherry on top but this is awesome! Oh wow what an incredible weapon banner.... I must stay strong for Chaska bow for tighnari 😂 only have 320 fates saved from 7 months. Didn't even pull furina.
Wow this is decent banner, I could use kuki and sethos cons, but the problem is I really really really want citlali idc if she’s terrible I’m going to get her. Will probably skip and I have kuki c2 so I’m set for her.
For me. the biggest drawback to Hu Tao is the fact that the Pyro Archon is coming soon. I'm saving my wishes for Mauvika. I sure hope my patience pays off, because it's hard to look at 100+ fates and NOT pull for characters.
I pulled for Hu Tao on her release and I hope I can finally have her C1... I notice how Arlechino is just stronger and easier to use than her, but still, I think she's a very fun character to play and she's not benched in my account anyways, I use her frequently. Also, I play Nahida, Niluo, Kokomi, Kollei/Kiara frequently, and it's my team of comfort for the most part, It just obliterates groups if they don't have shields and all of that.
I was always set to making Nahida my first C6 5 star but now I'm concentrating on my Natlan team and saving for Pyro archon. My Nahida is currently C4.
I like Jello because he actually does testing. But I feel he has a really bad amount recency bias. NO one is too overpowered (except maybe Neuvillete) But the way he says Xilonen Furina Chlorinde Arlecchino etc. are too good and Powercreep is just not true. Account value and Characters are HUGELY variant. And Nahida is 1000% still a Tier 0 character. Abyss is NEVER the meta as it changes always.
Reminder to all the semantics people out there. “Meta” in this context refers to what is objectively the best tactic to 36 star the abyss as fast as possible. In that sense, Hu Tao is not ‘Meta’ anymore, because she is not mathematically best anymore.
You can't simulate c0 Hu tao with c1 Hu tao by only skipping the jump cancels. C1 can be a dps increase for other factors. With c0 Hu tao you can only get back 200/240 stamina on your 2nd rotation and onward because the cooldown is faster than you can recover stamina so shorter tighter rotations will result in extra 1-2 charge attacks from c1
I hear everyone saying dont pull on banners for 4 stars but to me they are almost as important as the main 5 star on banner, dont regret not pulling for xlonen one bit, this banner was tailored for me. ❤🎉😂😂❤
So happy for this phase because im going to pull nahida for my nilou bloom team and ive always wanted to get and build sethos because i like his design and character in cyno's story quest! Goodluck to everyone pulling! 🎉
These banners are automatic skips for me. I already have Hu Tao and still don't intend on getting Nahida. As for the 4* units, I don't care about Sethos, and even though Xingqiu and Shinobu cons are nice on paper, the last thing I want is for Hu Tao or Nahida to randomly appear and ruin my plans to get Chasca and Mavuika, who are top priority for me.
@@XeReF-lr8jo Sorry bro but unfortunately Hoyo just confirmed that Heizou won't be coming back until they drop the first Wriothesely rerun. So about another 3 years minimum
This is the perfect banner. It has characters that are perfect for new players and simultaneously an easy skip for me (owns all them already) so I can save for Iansan and Mavuika
Hu Tao might not be a top meta DPS, but she is still a good pyro applicator for Mualani! Also, if they're gonna add a unit to re-elevate hyperbloom, I think it might unfortunately have to be a hydro character, or just directly powercreep either Nahida, Kuki, or Alhaitham, with Kuki and Haitham probably being more likely. And I can see why they might be reluctant to do this, bc I don't think a direct powercreep of a specific character is healthy, and the alternative is just making Hydro potentially even more broken than it already is. Like, I'm thinking an Ororon-style unit could potentially be a sidegrade to Kuki, where they specifically buff hyperbloom damage instead of benefitting from an EM build. And whether that's an electro unit that straight up replaces Kuki, a DPS to dethrone Alhaitham, or a hydro unit is anybody's guess. It would be cool if they were a 4 star, but I could see Hoyo selling this type of unit as a "premium edition" of the F2P standard hyperbloom.
HELL YEAH KUKI'S BACK AND IT'S ON A BANNER IM SAVING FOR WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO- I've been having fun with a kaveh/nilou bloom team because I love kaveh so much but I don't have nahida (skipped her to save for xiao because I love him
I'd love to get my Nahida past C0 or grab Homa for my Raiden since I missed Engulfing Lightning... but I'm already pretty sure I'm gonna be dropping a hundo on gems in the near future, what with my two most wanted reruns hitting *at the same time*, immediately before my most-wanted new character.
I just started playing in 5.1 because I saw the trailers for xilonen and wanted to try the game out. This banner with Nahida looks really really helpful because I dont have Kuki or Xingqui yet. I was not going to prioritize Nahida but now with those 4 stars I feel like the value is way higher. Thanks for all the content you make its been very helpful getting into the game.
I was gonna try my luck on the homa banner(as I do everytime it's on rate up I'm 0 for 3 right now) but seeing the dragon's bane for the millionth time and the fact that it's not as universal as it used to be I think I'm gonna skip it hoping arlecchino reruns on 5.2 to get her weapon instead
Hu Tao is definitely still meta, she's just not a top 3 DPS anymore. I'd argue she's on a similar level to characters like Lyney or Clorinde which is wild considering she's a 1.x character. Very hard for her to get truly powercrept considering she relies on game mechanics for damage and benefits from most stats (HP, ATK, EM, Crit). Unless they make another Pyro Polearm Charge Attack DPS with a significantly higher Charge Attack multiplier or that increases Vape DMG I think she'll keep her niche for a while to come.
so jello are you gonna release hutao guide after getting c1 and testing c0 vs c1 or you are gonna release the guide first then pull for c1 later or are you gonna drop the guide before then release "is c1 hutao worth it type vid". im kinda curious cause im also going for homa and c1 on her banner
I have c2 for both characters (Hu tao c1&2 came together) and I really do want Nahidas weapon but I don’t have many pulls right now. I think I’m going to save my guarantee for Mavuika at this point. I was going to get Neuvillette c1 but since I run him with Zhongli I think it’ll be fine
I have c1 Nahida and no sig weapon, I also have Hu Tao c0 with Homa which kinda makes it a hard choice between the two but I feel c2 Nahida will be bigger for my account but c1 Hu Tao would be super fun 😅
Skip for Mavuika. My Nahida is holding out just fine with Sac Frags for now, Hu Tao isn't getting as much use so C1 isn't on the list for now, and I already have R2 Homa. The ☆4s? What ☆4s? They either come home or they don't.
If the early leaks for 5.2 are indeed true, I'll probably not pull for this banner except for Shinobu and Xingqiu cons. I'll probably wait for the 5.2 special program before consider pulling....
I'm still torn between getting either nahida or hu tao weapon, or getting c2 nahida and hoping to c6 kuki along the way. but I need to invest in upcoming neuvi/zhongli banner so i'm having a hard deciding.
Already got Hu Tao, nahida r1. Going for Homa, hope I don’t get another nahida weapon.. I’d rather wolf’s gravestone. Will be pulling for Homa, extra wishes go to c1 Hu Tao
Don't know if I wanna get Hu Tao's C1, Homa OR keep saving for Mavuika. Hu Tao is my only (5 star) Pyro DPS but I don't use her so often... only when some stupid combat events make me
